Sorry, I hit the wrong key somehow so the sentence didn't get finished. To continue--- there will be less chance of misinterpretation. Carla in Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: <Haburulz@aol.com> To: <IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [GALWAY] Anna Marie (Deely) Moylan > HI ALL. > Happy New Years to all. > > Heres a date for you to ponder 01/01/01, what does it mean. > Is it Jan 01,1901, or 1901/Jan / 01, or possible 01/01/2001, or 2001/01/01, > or 2001 Jan 01. > This a little humor for all but inportant, once you start your histories > keep the date info the same, it can be a bit trying. > Best of hunting to all in 2005. > John J. Tonry > The wonderful city of Las Vegas, Nevada, > or as some say LOST WAGES, Nevada > > > ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== > New!! Irish-American Mailing List, > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-AMERICAN.html > To unsub or change your Irl-Galway mailing mode: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-GALWAY.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Since it is a riddle for many of us who are unfamiliar with the various methods of recording dates in other areas of the world, I think the easiest way around it is to just write 3 oct 1922 or 25 Dec. 1999. Then there is no question as to what is the day, mo., or yr., Furthermore in future generations when some of the systems may have changed ----- Original Message ----- From: <Haburulz@aol.com> To: <IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [GALWAY] Anna Marie (Deely) Moylan > HI ALL. > Happy New Years to all. > > Heres a date for you to ponder 01/01/01, what does it mean. > Is it Jan 01,1901, or 1901/Jan / 01, or possible 01/01/2001, or 2001/01/01, > or 2001 Jan 01. > This a little humor for all but inportant, once you start your histories > keep the date info the same, it can be a bit trying. > Best of hunting to all in 2005. > John J. Tonry > The wonderful city of Las Vegas, Nevada, > or as some say LOST WAGES, Nevada > > > ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== > New!! Irish-American Mailing List, > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-AMERICAN.html > To unsub or change your Irl-Galway mailing mode: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-GALWAY.html > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 12/30/2004 8:19:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, IRL-GALWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Practising "Reply All"......if all people from Galway are nice then that > must be where my so elusive gt gt grandmother, Maria Clarke (born circa > 1818, possibly RC), came from! Anyone know of the lady, or Clarkes, or > Marias......... > > Elaine > Hi Elaine and everyone else, Yes, of course RC is Roman Catholic, I know that.. Sorry, it just looked out of context. Jim

HI ALL. Happy New Years to all. Heres a date for you to ponder 01/01/01, what does it mean. Is it Jan 01,1901, or 1901/Jan / 01, or possible 01/01/2001, or 2001/01/01, or 2001 Jan 01. This a little humor for all but inportant, once you start your histories keep the date info the same, it can be a bit trying. Best of hunting to all in 2005. John J. Tonry The wonderful city of Las Vegas, Nevada, or as some say LOST WAGES, Nevada

Does anyone on the list have relatives or information about the Lambert family's homes, Castle Ellen or Castle Lambert? There is some good info on the web - I've already found that - and I paid a visit to Castle Ellen (just outside Athenry) this past summer and have several photos if anyone is interested. My ancestors lived and worked there - mostly at Castle Ellen. Patrick J. Haverty (b. 1855 somewhere near Athenry) and Margaret Josephine Kelly (b. 1867) worked at Castle Ellen together - he in the fields (yes, the fields of Athenry) and she in the house - until they married and emigrated to the US in 1886. Patrick's mother Mary Hanrahan Haverty (b. ~ 1818) and sister Mary (b. ~ 1852) also left with them. Patrick's father, Peter Haverty, isn't in the picture at that time so I assume he had passed on. Peter was born in Cahermore prior to 1810. By the way, Margaret Kelly's parents were Michael and Mary Kelly. As far as I can tell they stayed in Ireland, but many of her siblings came over married to people with surnames like Ruane, Burke, Pearce, and Curran. The Haverty side married into Mitchell, Gorman, Kelly, and Moran. Many of these are Athenry (and surrounding area) names. There may be others as I'm unsure that I have all the siblings and their spouses. The various sources I've found cover much genealogy of the Lambert family, but (not surprisingly) none of the servants or workers. I saw the Lambert family book at the Athenry library hoping there may be a mention or aside, but nothing there. Many of the people I mentioned here along with many others from Athenry emigrated to Waltham, Massachusetts. There the earliest of them (early 1800s) established a Catholic church and named it after their home church in Athenry - St. Mary's. St. Mary's in Athenry is now an arts center, but it's namesake in Waltham is still an active church. I assume many of the people I mention were Roman Catholic (RC) but I recently came across a renunciation list that included a Haverty. Many back then publicly renounced the Catholic church for the Church of England. It was often done either to maintain ownership of some land (if you were Catholic they'd kick you off) or for things like marriage or just staying in good graces with the local gentry. Once in the US my ancestors were all RC, but I wonder if they had renounced back in Ireland. The Lambert family (though tenant farmers) seemed to treat my family well. They saw it through the famine times working for them and at one point a Lambert had given a small parcel of land to Patrick Haverty. There are other families who were not treated so well by the Lamberts and were evicted from their cottages. This culminated in an assassination attempt on one of the Lamberts. I can't recount it here, but the story is on the net. Lastly, some of the Haverty family were in Tuam as well. I don't have names there, just a recollection from another family member that when Hannah Haverty Gorman came here in 187? She wrote letters back to Castle Ellen and others to Tuam. Lastly, my driving experience in Ireland is that you can go great distances in a short time and short distances in a long time. In other words, it's very unpredictable, but as you roll off the dual carriageways (highways) you inevitably need to drive through more congested areas and some times crawl. Leave plenty of time and if you get there early enjoy a pint of the black. All information and queries welcome - Happy New Year (no matter how you write it - 01/01/2005). Rick Haverty

Jane, Recently you mentioned your Noonans. Would any of them have emigrated to St. Louis in the U.S.? I recently found a darling school photo of my Grandmother, Kate Comer, of Galway and in the same photo was an Elizabeth Noonan. They were graduating from a private academy in St. Louis in 1906. Patricia in St. Louis

Being educated in England, I too am most familiar with the dd/mm/yyyy format and still automatically think that way, it also seems to look more correct when writing the date with the month as a word. (That is probably only due to being taught that way). Since moving to South Africa, they and a lot of other European countries use the yyyy/mm/dd format which to me now makes more logical sense. It's a natural left to right progression from the largest to the smallest field which stays true when the time is also quoted, i.e. yyyy/mm/dd hh:mm:ss The other major advantage I find with this format is Processing and Filing, the initial thing you want to know is the 1st field, what year did the event happen? Then which month, etc, etc. i.e. To narrow it down from the most significant field. More specifically, it aids with naming of files on the PC, when the date is, or is included as part of the filename. As the PC's natural sort order of filenames is from left to right, it allows the files to be listed in a true continuous date sequential order, whether selected for ascending or descending (irrespective of the date/time the file was saved). The English format tends to group the files according to the numeric value of the first date field, i.e. all files starting with the day 01-mm-yyyy, then 02-mm-yyyy, then 03-mm-yyyy, etc, etc. (this holds true whether the date is at the beginning of the filename or preceded with other meaningful characters). Note: you cannot use the "/" slash character in filenames, but you can substitute the slash with a dash "-" which is quite commonly used, and it clearly indicates the date part. Since the start of the new millennium and to reduce date confusion, I have adopted the principal of always stating the year in full (i.e. 02/03/04 as 2004-03-02, as only the year has 4 digits, it partially indicates the date format used). For PC sort & cosmetic purposes, I always precede a single digit date or month with a leading zero, i.e. 5/2/2004 as 2004-02-05 for 5th Feb 2004. Fortunately, my genealogy database program, "Legacy Family Tree", caters for multiple date display and entry formats. There are quite a few areas of formatting and terminology that cause unnecessary conflict which could and should be standardised internationally, such as dates, currencies, weights & measures, etc, but that is a whole new topic, not really suitable for a genealogy list. regards Brian (nr JoBurg,SA, ex.Bolsover,DBY) -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Jane Lyons [mailto:sniliaghin@iol.ie] Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 2:42 AM To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: LOL Day/Month/Year Re: [Y-IRL] First and second rules of genealogy lists Jeanine, I don't know what you know - but over here - in Ireland, we put the date first, then the month and then the year - from what I've seen my American friends put the month first. <SNIP> Scanned by http://www.eject.co.za 's anti-virus solution

Jim, most always it means "Roman Catholic". Terry in Michigan ----- Original Message ----- ,What does 'possibly RC' mean? Thanks, Jim

In a message dated 12/30/04 8:19:33 PM Pacific Standard Time, IRL-GALWAY-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: Practising "Reply All"......if all people from Galway are nice then that must be where my so elusive gt gt grandmother, Maria Clarke (born circa 1818, possibly RC), came from! Anyone know of the lady, or Clarkes, or Marias......... Elaine Elaine, What does 'possibly RC' mean? Thanks, Jim

ANNA MARIE DEELY married PATRICK MOYLAN about 1891. She was originally from Gortnamanagh, Kilchreest, Loughrea, Co. Galway. She and Patrick lived in Rothcosgrove, Ardrahan, County Galway, Ireland. I would like to learn more about her, her children (all 10), and her parents. Five of her children moved to the US and five remained in Ireland. Charlotte Henley A former lurker

Jeanine, I don't know what you know - but over here - in Ireland, we put the date first, then the month and then the year - from what I've seen my American friends put the month first. When it's any date before the 12th, I can end up scratching my head wondering if they are talking my time or theirs. Where else in the world deals with months and days in a different way to the way we do in Ireland - or.............who else does the same as we do. e.g. today is the 31st of December, 200r Me, I write that 31/12/2004 My American friends would write it 12/31/2004 if I've understood everything I've received from them correctly. and if we were to have a 12/4/04 date written - well, to me that reads 12th of April 2004 - for my American friends it would more than likely read 4th of 12th(December) 2004 - two totally different dates!! Genealogy - that may confuse us - but, by golly we confuse ourselves even more. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: jeanine To: Dr. Jane Lyons ; Y-IRL@yahoogroups.com ; IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com ; IRL-LIMERICK-L@rootsweb.com ; IRL-LEIX ; IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com ; IRL-CLARE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, December 31, 2004 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [Y-IRL] First and second rules of genealogy lists <snip>Also dates are easier if you use the day, month year: 4 Oct 1845 and not 10/4/1845, which someone might interpret April 10 instead of Oct 4. American & Europeans write it differently, so this way everyone knows what day & month we are talking about.

I think most European countries and those who are associated with the British Commonwealth, such as Canada, use day/month/year. Canadians do a lot of business with the USA on a daily basis and must be diligent in observing the information. Perhaps some day we will all use the ISO 8601 Standard of YYYY-MM-DD. I note a lot of agencies using computer based data sets have been using the latter for some time. Michael Murphy All emails are scanned for viruses on arrival and before sending using Norton AntiVirus Technology with the most recent updates checked daily and downloaded on demand. -----Original Message----- From: JFW [mailto:jowyn@adelphia.net] Sent: December 30, 2004 10:48 PM To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GALWAY] LOL Day/Month/Year I wonder if the mystery of the two different ways of writing dates has to do with the way we speak the date aloud. In Jane's post, she said "today is the 31st of December, 2004," and that she would write it 31/12/2004. Here in the States, we usually say (at least I think we do!) "December 31, 2004." I seem to say the day first only when speaking of Holidays, e.g.,the Fourth of July. In other words, the way we say the date in words perhaps dictates the way we write it in numbers. Just a thought. But I, too, Jane, have to think carefully when reading Irish or British dates; it's especially tricky when the date is something like April 3--or is it March 4? Cheers, Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> To: <IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: [GALWAY] LOL Day/Month/Year Re: [Y-IRL] First and second rules of genealogy lists > Jeanine, > > I don't know what you know - but over here - in Ireland, we put the date first, then the month and then the year - from what I've seen my American friends put the month first. > > When it's any date before the 12th, I can end up scratching my head wondering if they are talking my time or theirs. > > Where else in the world deals with months and days in a different way to the way we do in Ireland - or.............who else does the same as we do. > > e.g. today is the 31st of December, 200r > > Me, I write that 31/12/2004 > > My American friends would write it 12/31/2004 if I've understood everything I've received from them correctly. > > and if we were to have a 12/4/04 date written - well, to me that reads 12th of April 2004 - for my American friends it would more than likely read 4th of 12th(December) 2004 - two totally different dates!! > > Genealogy - that may confuse us - but, by golly we confuse ourselves even more. > > Jane ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== New!! Irish-American Mailing List, http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Irish/IRISH-AMERICAN.html To unsub or change your Irl-Galway mailing mode: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-GALWAY.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

Well - lists that I a manage anyway............and if you are receiving this - then you are subbed to a list that I manage /administrate. Liz Haren has said "Manners count. Saying thank you when someone helps you out means a great deal." and - yes, to me that's the first rule of genealogy - whether you get soemthing through a mail list - even if it's a negative result - the thank you that you send the person who sent you that negative information in response to your query, will go a long way. Thank you - even if what you get doesn't mean anything to you - that is very, very important. I've seen replies to my original query that speak of correct English - phrasing things 'properly' - correct grammar etc...........and I know that there is at least one person who makes posts on genealogy lists for whom I have absolutely *NO* time - because if I was to spend a week siting with their one email to whichever list, I'd never make head nor tail of it. That's one person - a similar email being sent to many lists. The comment I'd have to pass, is that I don't check emails sent to any list that I am admin of for grammar...........I do think about the people who have written those emails. I totally understand and expect that the majority will not have had the education that I have received - I absolutely understand that the majority of my subscribers - for whichever list - will be much older than I am............as far as I am concerned - they know way much more about life that I do My English can be appalling - many of you, who have some understanding of the Irish language, may see, that I, as many other Irish people (and we don't actually see ourselves doing this) but- we speak English (sometimes) in a literal translation of how we'd say something in Irish. We don't realise we're doing this - if any of us was to sit any kind of 'official' exam - then, we'd probably say things differently. The First Rule of genealogy, is as Liz says - to say thanks. The second rule, is another as said by Liz................ENJOY Enjoyment - you won't get that by worrying about grammar. For me..............and I am absolutely no teacher - no grammatical expert.............my main concern would be for all of you who would worry about being 'grammatically correct' or anything like that in any email you would care/think of sending any genealogy list that I administer. Forget grammar. Please...............please - say what you would like re your ancestors - please, please don't worry about being grammatically correct. The most important thing is that you say something. Me, I have lots of letters after my name - and I deserve what I have. Believe me, if I was to sit an English exam in grammar in the morning - I'd fail - absolutely, utterly and entirely. Please, please..............to all of you who could be described as lurkers on this list (people who read messages and don't post themselves) - please, reconsider...................please say what you would like. My best to you all. Jane

I wonder if the mystery of the two different ways of writing dates has to do with the way we speak the date aloud. In Jane's post, she said "today is the 31st of December, 2004," and that she would write it 31/12/2004. Here in the States, we usually say (at least I think we do!) "December 31, 2004." I seem to say the day first only when speaking of Holidays, e.g.,the Fourth of July. In other words, the way we say the date in words perhaps dictates the way we write it in numbers. Just a thought. But I, too, Jane, have to think carefully when reading Irish or British dates; it's especially tricky when the date is something like April 3--or is it March 4? Cheers, Jude ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> To: <IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:41 PM Subject: [GALWAY] LOL Day/Month/Year Re: [Y-IRL] First and second rules of genealogy lists > Jeanine, > > I don't know what you know - but over here - in Ireland, we put the date first, then the month and then the year - from what I've seen my American friends put the month first. > > When it's any date before the 12th, I can end up scratching my head wondering if they are talking my time or theirs. > > Where else in the world deals with months and days in a different way to the way we do in Ireland - or.............who else does the same as we do. > > e.g. today is the 31st of December, 200r > > Me, I write that 31/12/2004 > > My American friends would write it 12/31/2004 if I've understood everything I've received from them correctly. > > and if we were to have a 12/4/04 date written - well, to me that reads 12th of April 2004 - for my American friends it would more than likely read 4th of 12th(December) 2004 - two totally different dates!! > > Genealogy - that may confuse us - but, by golly we confuse ourselves even more. > > Jane

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Practising "Reply All"......if all people from Galway are nice then that must be where my so elusive gt gt grandmother, Maria Clarke (born circa 1818, possibly RC), came from! Anyone know of the lady, or Clarkes, or Marias......... Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> To: <IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:16 AM Subject: That 'reply all ' Re: [GALWAY] After Christmas.............. > and you've done it ths time too Terri :-)No mistake made............. > > You've replied to all and - as far as I'm concerned, by saying not > 'repling to all' was a bit mistake - you're commenting on the fact that > everyone on this list is friendly > > For me, as a person whose father came from Galway - and for all my other > galway connections - that'd important. > > Galway people - those with Galway ancestors - they're nice > > > Jane

Thanks for raising this very pertinent issue, Jane. I innocently went online with a newly purchased internet-ready computer 12 months ago and this is what happened: - I bought a well known antivirus programme soon after buying the computer, but didn't get around to installing this until a couple of months later. Major damage done by then, much valuable information lost, much tearing out of hair, expensive to have hard drive cleaned up, and couldn't afford a wig either. - In spite of being asked by me time and again not to do so a friend repeatedly forwarded on to me chain letters and attachments as received from a private (friends-only) mailing list. I eventually had to block messages from this friend of mine because of recurring contamination - and this is an example of what Jane said, DON'T open attachments without first confirming that the purported sender did, in fact, send them and had, in fact, already scanned them for viruses before forwarding. - Read about Windows' fire wall in a computer magazine. Activated this immediately. - Dissatisfied with the well-known antivirus programme that I originally installed, and suspecting a virus or whatever still lurking in the computer's innards, I bought a different well-known programme which was only marginally better. Still seemed to be some viruses, etc., sneaking in somehow and affecting my work. - After months of frustration I had the hard drive professionally "scrubbed", my remaining data archived on backup disc, and gave that computer to a young friend to use for his homework and games. - Bought a new computer, first activating the firewall and installing an antivirus programme before going online again after 3 months without internet access. The new computer crashed immediately as, unknown to me, it already had a different, stronger type of antivirus programme installed by the manufacturer - and the two programmes were incompatible! Had to get computer back to the factory for restoration by manufacturer and - holding my breath and touching wood - went online again and so far so good. - Most new computers use MSN's Windows XP operating system, but this is known to have some loopholes and, unfortunately, most manufacturers seem very tardy in pre-installing Windows Service Pack Two of updates to close these loopholes. Fortunately, I had acquired this Service Pack before even acquiring the new computer, so first thing I did after computer set up was to install this pack. (Even the manufacturer's Support Desk couldn't confirm whether this pack had already been installed on my computer in the factory!!!). - Keep my antivirus programme up to date at least weekly, preferably daily, and having it scan just as regularly. - PRAY !!! Elaine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> To: <IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 11:46 PM Subject: [GALWAY] After Christmas.............. > In the days after Christmas and into the New Year, those who manage > genealogy lists find that we have an increase in new subscribers. > > I can only assume, that these new subscribers are people who have recently > acquired a computer -or a genealogy programme for their computer - the > time to have an interest in genealgy - any or all of those things > > So, for any person who is new to computers and the internet, I'd ask you > to be aware ..... >

and you've done it ths time too Terri :-)No mistake made............. You've replied to all and - as far as I'm concerned, by saying not 'repling to all' was a bit mistake - you're commenting on the fact that everyone on this list is friendly For me, as a person whose father came from Galway - and for all my other galway connections - that'd important. Galway people - those with Galway ancestors - they're nice Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Bora" <tdbora@msn.com> To: <IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:02 AM Subject: Re: [GALWAY] After Christmas.............. > Jane, the mistake I made, when I first got up the nerve to reply to a > List, was hitting "reply" instead of "reply all". I wondered why I never > saw my email on the List. I

In the days after Christmas and into the New Year, those who manage genealogy lists find that we have an increase in new subscribers. I can only assume, that these new subscribers are people who have recently acquired a computer -or a genealogy programme for their computer - the time to have an interest in genealgy - any or all of those things So, for any person who is new to computers and the internet, I'd ask you to be aware of one very important thing - and I don't mean to make you scared or your computer - a new found 'friend' - interest. I'd ask you to NEVER, ever open an attachment that comes in as an email to you. Whatever email programme you are using you'll most usually see an attachment as some extra addition to the name fo the person from whom you've received an email. Me, I use microsoft - so, when i receive an email with an attachment, then on my screen I see the person's name and a little paper clip beside it - meaning there is an attachment with this email. I NEVER open the email that has an atachment (even though I do have an anti virus programme) without emailing the person who is supposed to ahv e sent me the attachment in the first place, and asking if they sent it to me. Does't matter if it is my sister who sent me the supposed attachment. I don't open it. and that - is the first rule of the internet - or email.................. I'd like for us as groups - this mail is being sent to a number of email lists - anywway - I'd appreciate it if those of you who are 'oldies' could have a 'Where we/I have been' - 'what I have learned' - most useful URL's as regards 'learning about using my computer' - why's, wherefore's - what to do - what not to do............... I'm not looking for genealogical URL's here...............I'm just looking for some hints. Every single one of us sat in front of a computer for the first time ever at some stage or another - many of us have gotten into trouble with our puters. If there are too many replies to any list, well, the new subscribers may decide to unsub.......... But, you know, maybe if some of us do a bit of remembering as regards things we've done wrong - how we solved these wrongs - then, maybe we will give some help to those who are new - maybe we will remind those of us who are oldies on the net as to where we can go wrong - maybe we'll just do some long term good for one another. most of what we say won't be needed today - but maybe it will - tomorow. Me, the biggest mistake I ever made was deciding that I could trust emails from someone who I assumed had a virus protection programme and I opened an email with an attachment from that person when my own virus programme was not up to date. That was back in 1999, and I am still trying to fix my files - almost into 2005 A lesson well learned - albeit the hard way. Jane

Jane, the mistake I made, when I first got up the nerve to reply to a List, was hitting "reply" instead of "reply all". I wondered why I never saw my email on the List. I finally figured out what I did wrong and have been careful ever since to hit the right button! Terry in Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. Jane Lyons<mailto:sniliaghin@iol.ie> To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 6:46 PM Subject: [GALWAY] After Christmas.............. .......... But, you know, maybe if some of us do a bit of remembering as regards things we've done wrong - how we solved these wrongs - then, maybe we will give some help to those who are new - maybe we will remind those of us who are oldies on the net as to where we can go wrong - maybe we'll just do some long term good for one another. most of what we say won't be needed today - but maybe it will - tomorow.