Jane No, that doesn't work. I know my username and password,but it makes no difference. Anyway, parts of the website were accessible without having to pay anything,and you need to be able to access the site to join! I think we might just have to wait a little longer..... Cathy

Apparently Otherdays is having some technical difficulties. I access the site via the Godfrey Memorial Library site, and asked Godfrey what was happening. According to Godfrey's administrator, Otherdays is working on the problems. Let's send Positive Thoughts in the Otherdays' direction! Pat **** All outgoing mail scanned by Norton Anti-virus **** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Jane Lyons" <sniliaghin@iol.ie> To: <IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 2:20 PM Subject: [GALWAY] Otherdays........... > They may be back - when you use the Home page URL - you immediately get a > user and password log in box. > > Can any of you who are subbed to the site get in by filling in what you > have to on the box? > > Does anyone have an address to write to when the boxes don't work? > > Methinks I've forgotten my username and/or password. > > Jane > > ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== > Join an Ireland list that discusses Irish genealogy, history, and culture. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRELAND.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > >

I read about these census extractions for Old Age Pension applications many years ago. On a trip to Dublin in 1997, I looked at them at the National Archives in Dublin. At the time (nearly 8 years ago), that was the only place to view them. They were somewhat difficult to figure out without much guidance. I seem to recall that some part was on fiche or in books out on a counter in the National Archives, but that there were layers I went through until I got to the pension records themselves (which were perhaps on microfilm - can't recall). I do not have access to my old notebook from that trip at the moment, and I am a bit fuzzy on those details from that long ago. I do recall reading files where the pension people could NOT find the person filing the pension claim. I recall reading details about the family provided by the applicant, even if the family was not located, so I don't think the original records are only for successful applications. Sometimes the extraction for a family with the same surname in the same area was listed, but it did not show the person claiming the pension, who perhaps had not been born yet (that was the conclusion of the pension office anyway). So "unsuccessful" application also provided information taht could be of use to genealogists. Plus, they were interesting to read. I do recall I was very disappointed at the small number of them in existence. At the time, I did not know where any of my families were from in Ireland, so I was mainly fishing for familiar surnames, particularly looking for references to QUEENEY in Galway and Roscommon (which I don't think I found). [By the way, I have never been able to prove where my QUEENEY-FARRELL family came from, despite the high number of Queeneys in Galway and Roscommon, and have since been focussed more on the Tipperary-Laois area because of other clues.] But I should go back and examine these records again for other families, now that I know particular places where some of them were residing. So, thanks to Cathy or whoever started this thread about Old Age Pension for reminding me about that and for calling attention to the new (compared to 1997) resources available for them. Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon At 10:34 AM 2/4/05, you wrote: >There is an interest in the 1841/51 census abstracts on one of the other >Irish Lists,so I thought I'd just repost this one ,which I wrote about 2 >years >ago,in case it might help someone. > >I got this info from Josephine Masterson's book >Ireland: 1841/51 census abstracts (Republic of Ireland) > >ISBN 0806315865 >Baltimore Genealogical Pub.Co, c 1999 >I strongly suggest you read the whole catalogue entry before you order any >films. There were very few surviving entries for the Republic. >If anyone has/does order any of these films,would love to hear about it.

There is an interest in the 1841/51 census abstracts on one of the other Irish Lists,so I thought I'd just repost this one ,which I wrote about 2 years ago,in case it might help someone. I got this info from Josephine Masterson's book Ireland: 1841/51 census abstracts (Republic of Ireland) ISBN 0806315865 Baltimore Genealogical Pub.Co, c 1999 Don't know if it is still in print,but I have seen it in several US and Canadian libraries. The Northern Ireland version is available on CD. Not sure about the Republic. The LDS films covering this info. are 2214518/2214542/2214543. I haven't viewed them myself, but I presume they are a major source for the book. I can't believe she would have left out anything of real value,but her book only lists the successful applications.You MIGHT find an unsuccessful letter of application from one of your family,which would DEFINITELY be worth having. The catalogue says: Arrangement of documents: The documents are arranged by county, barony, parish, townland/street and name of the family searched in the census. The parish and townland/street names shown in the list are those where the claimants believed their family to have been living in 1841 or 1851. Unsuccessful searches are shown by X in the column "not found." I strongly suggest you read the whole catalogue entry before you order any films. There were very few surviving entries for the Republic. If anyone has/does order any of these films,would love to hear about it. This is a copy of my original post: In 1908 the Old Age pension was introduced in Ireland ,for those aged 70 and over. Would-be claimants, born c1840,but unable to provide proof of age because of the lack of records pre-1864, could apply to the Public Records Office for a search of the relevant census. Completed claim forms sometimes contained full details of the original census entry. Almost all the 19th century censuses were destroyed,so these fragments are invaluable. These are the surviving Galway entries: LOUGHREA Town 1841 Main street. 1) Edward + Margaret Hyor,bank manager , 1x son +Anne Feeny,Bridget Staunton,Augustine Coyne. 2) Laurence + Belinda Fahy,+ 3 kids. 3) Stephen + Honoria Madden + 3 kids 4) John Daly (in US) + wife Isabella + 6 kids 5) Mary Daly + daughter 6) Michael+ Clare Egan + 5 kids,parents Pat/Julia Bohercom Lane 7) Mathias + Bridget Coin, + 2 kids Bride st. 8) Henry + Eleanor Cloran doctor + 3 kids (family born Loughrea and Dublin),+ Tom Byrne,Joseph Farrell,Ella Moriarty,Anne Kelly Dunkellin St. 9) Thomas + Agnes Walsh,Solicitor,+ 7 kids. (1st wife Honoria ) + Stephen Madden ,gentleman,(sister Ellen,Gort,son in India.) KILBEGNET PARISH 1841 1) John + Margaret Brennan,Bridget Giblin ,LEAHA townland 2) John+ Wenny Eagan ,kids, + Cath McGuire(bryan) CURRAGHBOG townland 3) Pat + Ann Fitzmorris,kids,Cath.Giblin,LEAHA townland. 4) 13x GIBLIN families,various townlands. 5) Cath Jordan ( John's widow) + sons and grandsons Naughton,GARRAUN SOUTH 6) John + Mary Keaveny + kids (some in US) + Giblin,BOLYTHOMAS. 7) Michael Loughan + Michael (US) and Kitty Giblin,CONDERRY/CAMDERRY 8) 19x MEE families,various townlands.(NB,This could possibly be the surname NEE - the records are ambiguous) 9) Onor Mullin (Lacky's widow),sons,+ Mee,McDonnelll grandchildren.LISDUFF 10) John + Peggy Mulry,kids,+ Tom Mea. DERRYLIPPO. 11) Bryan + Bridget Maguire,kids. FAIRFIELD. 12) Conner + Honora Maguire,kids, FAIRFIELD 13) John + Honora Mcguire,kids, Peggy Lally. CURRAGHBOG.(family in UK,US) 14) Luke + cath.Maguire, kids, FAIRFIELD. 15) Pat (US) + Margaret Mcguire,kids,+ Judy Heath. AGHALATEEVE. 16) Ed.+ Cath McKague,kids,+ Igo,Giblin,Mcgarry, FUNSHIN. 17) Peter(?) Neary(Hugh) + Mee.AGHALATEEVE. 1851 1) Eleanor Lally,RAHINS,Killoscobe. 2) Pat + Celia Martin,CORBALLY MORE,Abbeygormacan. 3) Peter + Bridget Murray,KNOCKMASCAHILL,Ballynakill 4) Judith Spellman (Michael's widow) Bridge St.Galway town.

Thank you for posting this Cathy. I had sent them an email when I could not access their website over the weekend. It is my experience that they do not respond to emails about their website being off-line (which has happened before). When I have asked a specific question about a particular problem I was having with their images, they did respond. It's good to know that they have not gone out of business, which is what I had feared. I use their website constantly when I'm working on Irish rsearch and have come to rely on it's being there. I have really missed it the past several days. The last time I noticed they were down for long periods of time was in August. That lasted several weeks but was intermittent. Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon At 08:06 AM 2/2/05, CathOneill@aol.com wrote: >Just got this e-mail: > " I belong to the Godfrey Library which uses Otherdays and I received an >email from the Godfrey Library explaining that Otherdays is down and they >hope >to be back online within a week. I guess they must have massive computer >problems. > Beananchtai, >Margaret (Máiread)" > >So I don't need to panic! >NEHGS has also taken on Otherdays recently,so maybe they didn't have enough >capacity to handle all the extra hits. >Many thanks ,everyone,for your quick responses. > >Regards >cathy

Cathy: I'm having trouble as well. I haven't been able to connect for about a week and don't know of a way to contact them. If anyone can help it would be appreciated -- I love this site. Kathy

Just got this e-mail: " I belong to the Godfrey Library which uses Otherdays and I received an email from the Godfrey Library explaining that Otherdays is down and they hope to be back online within a week. I guess they must have massive computer problems. Beananchtai, Margaret (Máiread)" So I don't need to panic! NEHGS has also taken on Otherdays recently,so maybe they didn't have enough capacity to handle all the extra hits. Many thanks ,everyone,for your quick responses. Regards cathy

Is anyone else having problems trying to connect to this website? Have been trying since the weekend. Has anyone got another way of contacting them? -they haven't replied to my e-mail. Cathy

As you have Bernard born c 1887,then no,you won't find him on the 1881 census anywhere. You need to be systematic - get hold of his marriage certificate - that will give his father's name and occupation,and possibly Bernard's age. Marriage indexes on microfiche are usually available at your local LDS or County Library,or at Middleton st.,Islington,London. Then you can check the Irish birth indexes. You can access these via your local LDS FHC- you would need to order them on film. If you have access to London, then the index films are part of the South Kensington LDS branch permanent stock. You should check several years either side of 1887,as birthdates were very inaccurate. You need film nos. 0101060 1884/5 0101061 1886/7 0101062 1888/9 etc Take down all references to a Bernard Cunniffe,all spelling variants,and all locations,and then get back to me and I will tell you which is the most likely. If he served in the first world war,his records might have survived and be held in the National Archives at Kew. Hopefully ,he may have given an address and next-of kin. If you have any information on his army service,and can't get to Kew, I will be going there again in the next few weeks. Cathy

Is Carraroe near Camus? If so, would they be the same parish? Carol

David, Killeen/Carraroe are the same parish. Check for Killeen and see what you come up with. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "david soule" <david.soule@maine.edu> To: <IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 9:02 PM Subject: [GALWAY] Carraroe > Dear Folks, > I need to find out several things: > > A map on the web of Carraroe > > Where can I find parish records from the parish of Carraroe > > Anyone have knowledge of McDonough, Mogan, Folan, Foley in the Carraroe > area > > Thanks david > > > ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== > Galway, City of Tribes: http://www.irishholidays.com/ggtest.shtml > Ireland GenWeb Co. Galway site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlgal/Galway.html > To unsub or change your Irl-Galway mailing mode: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-GALWAY.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Judy, I found your recommendations most helpful and I even found someone for whom I had been searching a long, long time. Ev

Regretably, the 1881 census for Ireland does not survive. You can access the British 1881 census at www.familysearch.org . Click on "Search for Ancestors", then - in the left hand column - click on Census. The earliest surviving census for Ireland is 1901. Perhaps someone on this list can tell you how to access it. Listers? Judy -----Original Message----- From: The Frees [mailto:the-frees@ntlworld.com] Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 1:27 PM To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GALWAY] Can anyone help me with a little research Please? I am trying to find out information about my Great Grandfather - Bernard Cunniffe who, according to my Father was from Galway, Ireland. He moved to England to join the army in the first world war and settled in Grosvenor Road, Aldershot, Hampshire. We believe his date of birth to be 1887. He married an Ethel Jane Gilby (D.O.B @1886) - don't know any dates or places really, she may have been from Saffron Waldon, England. They had 6 sons Douglas Edward, Dennis, Derek Hubert, Bernard Arthur Alfred (My grandfather), Gordon Patrick and Kenneth Roy, who all lived in Hampshire.. I wonder if Bernard Cunniffe appears on the 1881 Census as a child - did they have one for Ireland then? Any details would be good to know.... Yours in anticipation and thanks Angela Free ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== Join an Ireland list that discusses Irish genealogy, history, and culture. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRELAND.html ============================== Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx

The LDS Church website at www.familysearch.org indicates they have the following microfilm available: Parochial registers of Killeen [or Carroroe], 1853-1908 Catholic Church. Parish of Carraroe (Galway). They have this to say about it: Microfilm of original records at Tuam, Co. Galway. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Some writing is faded and illegible. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Film no. 1279212 filmed on 42X. Use high magnification reader. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- The Catholic parish of Carraroe, also spelled Carrowroe and formerly called Killeen, includes part of the civil parishes of Kilcummin and Killannin. There are three chapels. There are three islands in the parish, Lettermore, Lettermullan and Gorumna. Gorumna, which is in the civil parish of Killannin, has four townlands, Creelogh, Knock, Maumsen, Teeranea. You can go into any LDS Church Family HIstory Center and order in the roll of microfilm from Salt Lake city. The charge is about $3.50. You cannot remove it from the Family History Center, but you can read it there and for the $3.50 charge, it stays in the local Center for about six weeks. I found I went in several times to check for different things as they occurred to me. The Church also indicates this microfilm is available at the National Library of Ireland, Dublin. To find the nearest Family History Center you can go to www.familysearc.org . In the far right column, click on "Find a family history center near you where you can access many of the library's materials". From then on it is self-explanatory. Good luck, Judy

I am trying to find out information about my Great Grandfather - Bernard Cunniffe who, according to my Father was from Galway, Ireland. He moved to England to join the army in the first world war and settled in Grosvenor Road, Aldershot, Hampshire. We believe his date of birth to be 1887. He married an Ethel Jane Gilby (D.O.B @1886) - don't know any dates or places really, she may have been from Saffron Waldon, England. They had 6 sons Douglas Edward, Dennis, Derek Hubert, Bernard Arthur Alfred (My grandfather), Gordon Patrick and Kenneth Roy, who all lived in Hampshire.. I wonder if Bernard Cunniffe appears on the 1881 Census as a child - did they have one for Ireland then? Any details would be good to know.... Yours in anticipation and thanks Angela Free

At 09:02 PM 1/27/2005, you wrote: http://www.gaia.edu/genclass/ireland/galway/galwayrc.htm I'll keep looking >Dear Folks, >I need to find out several things: > >A map on the web of Carraroe > >Where can I find parish records from the parish of Carraroe > >Anyone have knowledge of McDonough, Mogan, Folan, Foley in the Carraroe area > >Thanks david > > >==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== >Galway, City of Tribes: http://www.irishholidays.com/ggtest.shtml >Ireland GenWeb Co. Galway site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlgal/Galway.html >To unsub or change your Irl-Galway mailing >mode: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-GALWAY.html > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Dear Folks, I need to find out several things: A map on the web of Carraroe Where can I find parish records from the parish of Carraroe Anyone have knowledge of McDonough, Mogan, Folan, Foley in the Carraroe area Thanks david

I am looking for more information about my Great Great Grandmother Mary Naughton who was born 17 March 1867 in Mount Mary, Ballygar, Galway, Ireland. My first record of her in the United States was in 1889 working for a Mrs. Shippen in New Jersey. She married Jesse A. Howland in 1891 and settled in Monmouth County, New Jersey. In 1902, they traveled to Ireland and visited her family. Her brother Edmond Naughton, returned from England at that time and her sister Margaret moved to New Jersey with her. Margaret Naughton was born around 1880. I do not know who her parent's were. Thanks, Erik Quist

I resent the Liam Neeson Irish Stew recipe to a Celtic music list I subscribe to (giving credit to Pat and George). One of the posters, Bill Watkins, tied the themes of several posts together and came up with this interesting paragraph. I thought it may be of interest to this group. By the way, Bill is a publican in Minnesota and an author of two hysterical books, "Celtic Childhood" and "Scotland is not for the Squeamish." You can check them out here - http://wildbillwatkins.com/a_celtic_childhood.html . you can listen to Bill do a reading or two from his first book there. The posts he tied included the Liam Neeson stew, a question about the pronunciation of Croke Park and a concert there, and various cars (like the frog-eyed sprite) used by a certain Celtic band. Here's his reply.... Croke park is an unusual venue for a concert, they wont even allow soccer to be played there, but it is considered hallowed ground in Ireland. There is a bronze plaque in the center of the grass dating from 1920 where two Gaelic football players, Michael Hogan and Jim Egan, were shot by the Black and Tans in front of a crowd of 10,000. An armored car then drove onto the pitch and turned its machine gun on the crowd, twelve people died and sixty were wounded. This vicious act caused King George V to call from the removal of the Auxiliary forces from Ireland. Incidentally, the reenactment of this tragedy in the movie, Michael Collins used both the real Croke Park and the actual armored car. When the Brits left Ireland the armored car was given to the Irish Free State forces and was renamed, Slibhnamon, it was in the convoy that was attacked at Beal na Blath where Michael Collins was killed, Liam Neeson played Michael in the movie and his Irish stew sounds very much like Chris Dale's scouse, Chris once owned a frog-eyed sprite, until he went asleep at the wheel after driving non-stop from Spain and crashed into an electrical wholesaler's window in Tottenham Court Rd, London where Liam Neeson used to live. Cheers, Rick Haverty

These are the best websites that I have explored so far this year: http://www.movinghere.org.uk/ <http://www.movinghere.org.uk/> A wonderful cousin found this site and I gleaned a lot of information from it. Enter your name in the "Search the Site" box at the upper right corner. The listings that come up are from the "Local Loan Association" records. It is heartbreaking to read through the listings - it explains the defaulting on the loans because people died, emigrated, moved or can't be found. It is a little tedious because you have to download the PDF files and then see if they are what you are looking for. But believe me, it is worth it, even if you don't find your ancestors. I worked page by page through Galway to save them all - a monstrous undertaking. http://www.valoff.ie/ "Search the Valuation Lists" - I think these are current landowners but the surnames are interesting to see if descendants still live in the area Kathy Smigun (researching Folan and Conneely from Curhownagh/Errislannon and Murphy/Hussey from Curragh West)