The Tuam Herald, Saturday, April 3, 1909 Tuam, Co Galway ---------- MAN CUT IN TWO ON RAILWAY The body of a Claddagh, Galway fisherman named Stephen Folan, who belonged to the Naval Reserve, was found terribly mangled on Sunday morning on the railway line between Craughwell and Athenry. He was returning from a course of naval training at Kinsale, and had £20 in his possession. It is surmised that he left the train at Craughwell, the next station to Athenry, and finding that it had departed on his return, he proceeded to walk along the permanent way to Athenry with a view to catching the Galway train. Apparently he was overtaken by a subsequent train and killed. The body was practically cut in two. An ugly feature of the occurrence is that on discovery of the remains the £20 was missing. Folan suspicious element in the tragedy is the fact that splashes of blood were found in the carriage when it arrived in Tuam, and one of the windows was broken. The body discovered only a short distance outside of Athenry. Jim McNamara British Isles Family History Society - USA, Newsletter Editor http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa

The Tuam Herald, Saturday, April 3, 1909 Tuam, Co Galway PITHY PARS. - Personal Parochial Provincial and Particular (Cont'd) ---------- A marriage was celebrated during last week in Claremorris, a record of which is not likely to appear in the fashionable pars of a society journal. The marriage was contracted between two inmates of the Claremorris Workhouse, aged 84 and 79 respectively. ---------- One evening last week a man named Martin O'Connor, a carpenter by occupation, and a native of Spiodal, was discovered lying on the roadside at Errismore, a short distance from Clifden, in an unconscious state. Having been removed to a neighbouring house, it was there found by medical inspection that he had been suffering from a fracture of the skull. Medical aid was unavailing, as the man did not recover consciousness, and died the following morning. The deceased was well known in Galway, where he had a large connection. He belonged to a most respectable family. ---------- The sum of £100 has been granted out of the public funds to the father of the late Constable Goldrick. ---------- A marriage has been arrange between Captain Aglionby, 3rd Battalion Connaught Rangers, and Colonial Civil Service, and Joyce Williams Wynn, daughter of the late Joseph Godman, of Park Hatch, and Mrs. Godman, 55 Lowndes Square, London. ---------- At Ballinasloe Asylum a serious outbreak of fever, which has been traced to the supply of milk received from a contractor one of the members of whose family has been down with the disease, has broken out among the Asylum staff. Another female attendant was also stricken with the disease. ---------- Some very important records and appeals - or where not important at least interesting - were heard at Mayo Assizes last week. In the appeal brought by Mr. Loftus, Ballina, against the decision of the County Court Judge awarding Miss O'Connell, £55 compensation for disturbance under the Town Tenants' Act. Mr. Justice Johnson reduced the amount of the decree to £10 without costs. ---------- Under the patronage of the Governors and Committee of the Mayo County Infirmary, in connection with an effort which is being made to equip thoroughly a surgical ward, and otherwise to add to the facilities for the treatment and comfort of the patients in that useful institution, it has been decided, in order to raise funds for this very praiseworthy project, to organise a concert and ball in Castlebar for the nights of Tuesday and Wednesday, 13th and 14th April next, respectively. ---------- Salmon netting is now carried on actively on the Moy at Ballina and in the upper waters and with fair results, considering the full state of the river and that it is yet early in the season. ---------- Angling opened well last week on the Moy, the water in fairly good order. Jim Hearns after an hour's try succeeded in getting into a springer, which gave play for about half an hour before he succeeded in getting him to net - a beautifully made fish, weighing 11 lbs. Master Ivan Garvey hooked what must have been a 30 lb. Salmon. The monster was hooked in the stream close by the weirs and played hard for over three hours, and as a final he took the centre arch of the bridge in a run, and before Master Garvey could get him well in hand again he broke his hold, and was free once more. During the struggle the bridge was crowded with spectators, and every one felt sore at the young angler losing his prize after such a long contest. ---------- The death is much regretted in Co Mayo of Dr T Griffin, M A, M D, Louisburgh, who has passed away at the age of 62 years. He was much esteemed, both in his professional capacity and as a magistrate, and as a medical practitioner his ability was appreciated beyond his own districts. There is much sympathy with Mrs. Griffin and family in their bereavement. Jim McNamara British Isles Family History Society - USA, Newsletter Editor http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa

The Tuam Herald, Saturday, April 3, 1909 Tuam, Co Galway PITHY PARS. - Personal Parochial Provincial and Particular The Galway April fair will be held on Wednesday, 7th April. This is a very important fair and a large supply of stock will be shown. Prices of cattle in particular have a decided upward tendency lately, and as these fairs are well advertised a large number of buyers are expected to attend. ---------- From the returns of the Registrar General for the week ending 20th March, it appears that the death rate in Galway has reached the exceptionally small figure of 15.5 [?] per 1,000, the smallest but one of the 22 principal provincial urban districts of Ireland. The average for the whole of Ireland in the same period was 26.1[?] ---------- While quarrying in the Kilmovee, Co Mayo, district a man named Callaghan hit upon a piece of ore one and a half pounds' weight which is believed to be gold. This is the second "find" of a similar nature in this quarry within the past few years. ---------- At Co Mayo Assizes, in Castlebar, before Mr Justice Andrews, Patrick Lyons (Insurance agent) charged with obtaining money under false pretenses, was acquitted. At Castlebar Quarter Sessions County Court Judge Morphy was presented with white gloves. His Honor, in acknowledgement, said he had very little business to do since he came to Mayo six years ago. ---------- Two youths, Thomas Kelly, 17, and Laurence Curley, 16, in a spirit of play, started to throw potatoes at each other in a Galway potato field. The first named chanced to hit Curley on the back of the head, from the effects of which he died. Kelly, who was brought up at the Galway Assizes charged with his companion's death, was released by Judge Johnson after five minutes' detention. ---------- Investigations are being conducted in Claremorris by the Somerset House Inspectors into the general administration of the Old Age Pensions Act in that district. The Inspectors are apparently satisfied with the statement of every pensioner from the point of view of means, but without exception, they are having a search made in the census papers of the years 1841 and 1851 for the age of every successful claimant who in his application form stated that he was 75 years old or under. They instructed the Postmaster of Claremorris not to cash any paying orders except for those who had come before them and had given the requisite information. The local offices of the authorities were filled all day with the old people, and as each was dealt with he or she was given back the cheque book and a slip of paper with direction to the Postmaster to pay. This process was slow, and many of the old people had to remain in the town longer than they expected. It appears that on the question of determining the age, the pension authorities are guided entirely by the census returns, and although proofs are every day forthcoming of the unreliability of these records, yet they will not deviate from the rule, except on the production of baptismal certificates, which receive precedence. As the district is now the seat of operations, it may be interesting to cite some cases, which go to show the unreliability of census returns. Martin Regan, Cultybo, lost his pension on a return made from the census of 1851, which showed him to be only 68 years old, but his book was soon afterwards restored on a certificate from the 1841 census, according to which he was 74 years old. Patrick Flaherty, of Corskeogh, was refused a pension on the ground that, according to the 1851 census, he was only 68 years old, but later his application was passed on a return from the 1841 census, which showed him to be 71 years old. The same applies to a Mrs. Anne Kerrone, of Newtown, who was 68 according to the 1851 census, and 70 according to the 1841 returns. Jim McNamara British Isles Family History Society - USA, Newsletter Editor http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa

Catherine, My GGF was born in 1862 in Ayrshire. The birth cert included the maiden name of the mother and data and place of marriage (which was in Ireland). I would never have had this info any other way. It is well worth obtaining these certs. And this LDS films do contain info that is not on familysearch. The films are of the actual record books. Not all this info has been put online. Good luck, Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: Hines, Catherine<mailto:catherine.hines@lmco.com> To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: RE: [GALWAY] Extracting records from LDS films for Galway Let me see if I understand. If I can't find my relations on familysearch.org, albeit with little detail, it probably means that getting the films from the LDS library would be futile? My specific situation is that my family spent the years from 1864/1865 to 1891 in Scotland, and I'm about to pay a professional in Scotland to try and research where they might have come from in Ireland. The records I've seen online only say, 'Galway'. I can find records in Scotland of births, but of the children who were born before the family moved to Scotland, nothing. I thought that meant that no one was researching that particular family, but you're saying that all of Volume 4 (for Galway) is online, as far as you know? So far, I've looked online for deaths in Scotland for the period after 1865, without finding anything. (This is on scotlandspeople.gov.uk, a pay-per-view site.) I've looked for a marriage I know took place (my ggrandparents) in Scotland without finding anything, so not everything was registered, as far as I can tell. For Ireland, I've relied on familysearch.org, but there is nothing at all for the people I'm looking for. If anyone has any ideas about any additional online resources, I'm certainly game. It's quite a puzzle, and I have no idea where to even begin. Any advice is more than welcome. I'm looking for: Patrick (possibly Patrick Joseph) BURKE, born 14 Mar 1864, in Galway. Patrick married Margaret KILCOYNE (born 04 Mar 1868) on 01 Aug 1887 in Perth, Scotland. His brother (or possibly half-brother) was Michael BURKE, born 29 Oct 1868 in Stirling, Scotland to Patrick Peter BURKE and Bridget STANTON. His sister (or possibly half-sister) was Bridget BURKE, born 09 Dec 1865 in Stirling, same parents. Thanks for any help or hints anyone can offer. Catherine ______________________________

My gr grandmother was Maria MORAN who was born in Co. Galway about 1830. I don't know where in Co. Galway. She married Patrick McGUINNESS in 1845. Patrick was with the Royal Irish Constabulary and was stationed in Galway. They were transferred to Co. Roscommon after the marriage. They had 11 children. I have been able to find most of the children who were baptized in Athlone, but the first three I have never found anything on. They were Patrick, James Edward, and John J. I would like to find out where in Co. Galway Maria was born and find out who her parents were. Any help would be deeply appreciated. Colleen

<< At present I have a film covering the Parochial Registers of Gort 1848-1884, if this is of interest I can do lookups, I have the film until 22 April, I have also ordered a film for Peterswell Galway, this has not arrived as yet, but I am hoping it is here is Australia otherwise I will have to wait a couple of months for it to come into the country. Barbara Robinson BNE QLD>> Hi Barbara, Thanks for your offer. I am looking for Birth/Baptism of Peter McDERMOTT, born June 29, 1860, according to his death cert. Father John McDermott, mother Margaret CONNELLY. The only information I have is that Peter was born in Galway. I'm not sure if this is town or county. Really appreciate your offer. Thank you. Betty Noonan Florida, USA

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The Tuam Herald, Saturday, March 27, 1909 Tuam, Co Galway ---------- THE CRAUGHWELL TRAGEDY Early on Sunday morning a large force of police under Mr. Leathan, District Inspector R.I.C., arrested five men - farmers' sons - in the Craughwell, Co Galway district, in connection with the murder of Constable Martin Goldrick at Grinnoge, in that locality, on January 22nd. About a fortnight ago two of the men now in custody (Hynes and Dermody) were discharged after a detention of five weeks in Galway Jail. The re-arrests, coupled with the inclusion of other suspects, threw the entire neighbourhood into a condition of the most intense excitement. The names of the prisoners, who were brought to Athenry, are - James Cahill, Michael Dermody, Thomas Hynes, Michael Conway, Thomas Callanan. Besides being charged with the murder of Goldrick, the prisoners are accused of wounding two emergencymen. County Inspector Smyth, since the fatal shooting affray, has been practically living in the Craughwell district, and a large force of police has of late been employed in the locality. The prisoners on Sunday morning were taken into the Athenry Constabulary barrack yard, and the two men from the town placed amongst them. By the morning train from Ballingasloe there had arrived in Athenry a labourer in charge of a large escort of police. This man was conducted to the barrack yard, and confronted with the group of five prisoners and the tow local men. Having examined all of these, he placed his hand on two of them. One of the men so identified is said to have got angry, and there was a scene of much excitement. Shortly after the other prisoners were released, and two retained in custody. The la tter are: - Thomas Hynes and Michael Dermody. In a short time the two, both handcuffed, were brought in charge of a large body of police to the railway station and conveyed to Galway along with the man who had identified them. There the accused were brought before Mr. A. C. Newell, R. M., Ballinasloe, and, after the production of some startling evidence were remanded in custody. AN EYE WITNESS' STORY. When Hynes and Dermody were placed in the dock in Galway Courthouse, charged with the murder of Constable Goldrick, the chamber became quickly thronged with spectators. Mr. J. W. Blake, Crown Solicitor, at once placed the man who had identified them in the witness chair. Then it became known that his name is Bartley Naughton. The Crown Solicitor read a deposition made by Naughton on March 20th before Mr. Newell, R. M. In this he stated that he is a labourer who works from place to place where he got jobs. On the night before the Craughwell murder, he said, he slept in Athenry, in Chapel street, leaving the town early next morning without breakfasting, and without obtaining a drink, which he tried to get, as the publichouses were not then opened. "As I came close to the railway bridge near Craughwell," the deposition proceeded, "I heard some shots. I saw a man running to the bridge from the Craughwell side. The man went back again towards Craughwell; he did not come as far as me. "I looked into then crags where the bushes were on my right hand side. I saw a policeman there. He was running after three fellows. I did not see any gun with him. The three fellows had guns. When I saw the policeman he was a good bit from them. When he was very close to them the three men turned back. "One of them fired a shot, and I saw the policeman fall. After he fell I could not see him on the ground. There were bushes between me and him. The third man was walking on at this time. "The two men went about three or four yards towards the third man after the policeman fell, and then turned and shouted at me to wait for them. They were running towards me. I stayed at the bridge, and they ran up and came on to the road. "One of these men was bigger than the other. The big man pointed the rifle straight at my body and told me he would have my own life if I said anything. "I told him I would not, that I was the same as themselves. They then ran back the way they came, until they were about half way to where I saw the policeman fall. They charged the guns there, and two of them ran on to the place where I saw the policeman fall, and the big man straightened the gun down on the spot where I saw the policeman fall and let off another shot (sensation). "The two then ran away from the crags. When I first saw the policeman running after the three men I saw five other fellows running from the crags. They were a good bit away from me. I noticed the two men who came up to me had their faces blackened. The taller man, who presented a gun at me, was not as blackened as the other. I left the bridge after the last shot and went into Craughwell." Witness went on to say that he met two policemen cycling very fast on bicycles, and a man whom he knew by his face to be a blacksmith. The deposition went on to relate - "I was in Craughwell the evening the prisoners came out there. I saw a number of people coming out from the train together. Amongst them I saw the man who pointed the rifle at me the morning the policeman was shot. I heard people calling him by the name of Dermody." Witness proceeded to narrate that he again saw this man drinking on St. Patrick's Day, and was quite sure he was the man who had pointed the gun at him, and who went back and fired the shot at the place where the policeman lay. Naughton added that he had been in the militia, and knew the difference between a rifle and a revolver. The reading of the deposition having been completed, Naughton confirmed it. Asked by Mr. Blake if he saw the man in court who had pointed the rifle at him on the morning of the murder, Naughton turned to the dock and pointed out Dermody, saying it was he who had fired the second shot at the place where the policeman lay. Witness also identified Hynes as the man who came up to him with Dermody. Hynes had then a double-barrelled gun. The prisoners were asked if they had anything to say. Dermody replied in the negative, and Hynes that he would say nothing for the present. Both the accused were then removed to prison heavily guared. Jim McNamara British Isles Family History Society - USA, Newsletter Editor http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa

The Tuam Herald, Saturday, March 27, 1909 Tuam, Co Galway ---------- In announcing that an Irish sermon would be preached after second Mass on St Patrick's Day in Castlebar, the Very Rev Canon Lyons, P. P., speaking after the first Mass on Sunday, said that the Inspector had reported very favourably of the way in which Irish was taught in the schools of the parish, and that was a thing the parish should be proud of, because the Irish language was the native language of the people of Ireland, and to encourage the teaching of Irish in the parish it was his (speaker's) intention in July next to give prizes to the best pupils in Irish in the several classes in the different schools. If the people did not know the Irish language they could not love their country, and everybody should make an effort to learn Irish, at all event they could learn the salutations and short phrases. The people should be proud of their language.. ---------- We understand that a fortnight ago Mrs. Meagher, the gifted writer, paid a visit to the little Convent of the Sisters of Mercy at Achill Sound. She was so impressed with the efforts of the good nuns for the pupils attending their schools, and for the development of industries in the district, that when she returned home she sent to his Grace the Archbishop of Tuam a cheque for £100 to help the struggling Convent to continue the good. ---------- By the death of Mr. James O'Shaughnessy, which took place in the hospital, Galway, on St. Patrick's Day, Galway has lost the last of the old school of musicians, for which it was celebrated more than half a century ago. Mr. O'Shaughnessy was not alone a celebrity on the violin, but he was also a performer on several instruments. He taught several local bands during his time, and by his private tuitions sent forth to the world at large a number of high class musicians. He was also composer of music and an extensive collector of old Irish airs, but was of that retiring disposition that he declined to have his compositions and collections published. He was a member of one of Galway's oldest and most respectable families, and claimed to have been descended maternally from one of the historic tribes of that old city. He lived to a patriarchial age, and retained all faculties to within a few days before his death, and just as the brain-power began to fail he expressed a desire for his violin in order to play one tune for those who were his fellow-patients in hospital, and fell into a state of despondency when this his last request was refused him. The remains of this humble but celebrated musician were consigned to their last resting place in Rahoon cemetery on Thursday. A large circle of friends and well-wishers attended the funeral. ---------- With regret we have to record the death of Mrs. McDermott of Springfield, after a long and painful illness, on Monday, 8th March. Belonging to the ancient and historical family of the Bodkins, one of the tribes of Galway. She was allied in marriage to a member of an equally renowned stock, the McDermott's, of Springfield, who are closely connected with the O'Conors, of regal descent. All those who knew her gentle and ladylike manner, will lament the early demise of "Miss Minnie," as she was familiarly and affectionately known before her marriage and her many amiable qualities will be long remembered in Ballymoe and its neighbourhood. Solemn Requiem Mass for the repose of her soul was celebrated on Thursday, 11th inst. in the presence of a large congregation. The celebrant was the Rev O. Donnellan, C.C., Ballymoe; deacon, Very Rev Canon Harte, P. P., Castlerea. The funeral which took place after the Mass (the music of which was rendered by the Drimatemple school choit), was attended by all the principal families of note both in Galway and Roscommon, and the remains, enclosed in a massive coffin, were laid to rest in the ancient family vault in Ballintubber. The chief mourners were, - F. H. McDermott, J. P. (husband) ; Joe and John Bodkin (brothers) ; Owen McDermott, J. P. and J. Bodkin (brothers in law) ; Frank McDermott and Wm. Brown (nephews). The last prayers at the were recited by Rev. Fathers Martin and Donnellan. ---------- District Inspector Egan has been transferred from the Depot to the charge of Claremorris district in room of D. I. O'Connor, who was transferred to the charge of Kanturk district some months ago. This is Mr. Egan's first station. Jim McNamara British Isles Family History Society - USA, Newsletter Editor http://www.rootsweb.com/~bifhsusa

The Tuam Herald, Saturday, March 27, 1909 Tuam, Co Galway ---------- PITHY PARS. - Personal, Parochial Provincial and Particular Canon John J. Brenan is son of the late J. Brenan, by Miss Conway, daughter of the late Samuel Conway, esq. of Claremorris. His Hon Sec and Treasurer of the Associated Catholic Charities of London, and was for 24 years at our Lady of the Rosary, Marlebone Road, London. He is a member of the Westminster Chapter from 1901, and is now Rector of Our Lady's Grove Toad, since 1908. ---------- Dr. John Bligh, J. P., for Liverpool, and one of its leading doctors, was born at Castlehackett, near Tuam, in 1840. He was educated at the Queen's College, Galway, where he had for fellow-students, Lord MacDonnell, Sir Andrew Reed, Dr. John Conway, R. N., and T. P. O'Con- M. P. Dr. Bligh is an M. D. M. Ch. Of the Queen's University, and was the first man in Ireland to take the degree of Master in Surgery. He is physician to the Mount Pleasant Training College, and to the Sisters of Charity. hE is a keen student and reader of Irish. In 1876 he married Frances Mary, daughter of Frederick Harris, of Liverpool. With his elder brother, Dr. A. M. Bligh, he has been for a generation the promoter of Irish and Catholic works in Liverpool, "giving priceless services without price" to the clergy and poor. His father was Patrick Bligh, Esq., of Castlehackett; and his other brother the late Matthew Bligh, Esq, of Castlehackett, was well known in these parts. His widow lives at Castlehackett. ---------- His Honour Judge Matthia McDonnell Bodkin, K. C., was born in 1850 at Eastland House, Tuam, son of the late Dr. Thomas Bodkin. He was educated at St. Stanislaus College, Tullabeg, and at the Catholic University, Stephen's Green. He was Gold Medallist of the Dublin Law Students' Debating Society; sat in Parliament for North Roscommon in the Nationalist interest retiring in 1901. Besides having had a busy practice at the Bar he has contributed largely to journalism,; is the author of novels, including "Pat o' Nine Tails," "White Magic," "The Rebels," and in earlier days was a successful athlete. He married in 1885 Arabella, daughter of Francis Norman, of Dublin. ---------- Father William Bodkin, S. J., was born in 1867, educated at Stonyhurst, took his Divinity course at St. Brunos; went abroad for a year and then returned to Stonyhurst to teach; entered the Society in 1884; established and directed the Catholic Grammar School, Leeds, succeeded Father Pedro Gordon as Rector of Stonyhurst in 1907. His father was James Bodkin, R. M., son of the late John Bodkin, Esq. M.P., of Kilclooney. ---------- The "Colleen" is a new claimant for Irish favour, and judging from the numbers we have seen, it well deserves support. It is a high class publication, containing matters of interest for its readers. ---------- In the pages of that pleasant publication, the "Irish Packet" for last week, we notice a sweet poem on "The Sea" from the pen of Mrs. Anna K. Ruttledge, "Bank" House, Clifden, a well known writer of poems and stories. ---------- As we announced some weeeks ago, the County Galway Hunt (The Blazers) point to point races have been fixed for the 30th March, over a fine sporting course, that of Gurranes, which up to a few years ago was the annual scene of the Tuam Races. A light weight, welter, ladies', and a farmers' race for £15, second to receive £3 cut of stake presented by the members of the Co. Galway Hunt for horses the bona fide property of farmers under £100 valuation residing in the hunting district.

Dear Catherine, You wrote: "Let me see if I understand. If I can't find my relations on familysearch.org, albeit with little detail, it probably means that getting the films from the LDS library would be futile? " I think I would have to agree with that statement. The LDS have put 1864-80 ( with a few 1881) on the IGI online -BIRTHS only. Initially ,although they were presumably extracting from microfilm, year by year, and should have got ALL the births,there were mysterious gaps in the Irish civil reg extractions on the IGI records. A bit like turning over 2 pages without realising it. So they brought out Vital Records 1+ 2 to fill these blanks (I'm only talking about Ireland - the VR CDs cover ALL the UK) They were advertised as not containing names already on the IGI. When they first came out,that was definitely the case. Now,I've checked several names,and it looks like the Irish records on VR1+2 have been incorporated onto the IGI. Can't swear to it,of course..... If you want to see the names on the 1864 films for Galway etc. (vol.4,9,14,19) then you can do so without having to order the film. You just need to enter the batch numbers and "British Isles" on the IGI search form. In this case the batch numbers are: C701224 C701229 C701235 C701241 You have to make an allowance for the info. (above) about the missing names. Presumably,these will have been entered,at a later date, with a different batch number. And of course,you won't get the townland info,just the registration district. You can search any year/quarter,by batch number. Most people will not need to use this facility,but those of us like Tim, doing a broader search,it can be quite useful. Re your Pat Burke. Birth either pre 1864 (birthdates notoriously inaccurate in western Ireland) or just not registered. March 1864 was the first quarter of the first year of registration. It was new,and word spread slowly in such a rural backwater like Galway. If the family was already in the process of making the move to Scotland,registration probably wasn't high on their list of priorities. STAUNTON/STANTON is very much a Galway/Mayo name. For what it's worth,I think that the name is found most frequently in the west of Galway- Clifden,Outerard,Lettermore etc, Re: the half -brother/sister thing. Do you think that Patrick's mother was NOT Bridget Stanton? It might be better to get an Irish researcher to cover the Irish bit. Cathy

It was suggested that I add the religion that my ancestors were observing (Roman Catholic) and also mention their deaths. So, a more complete list is (and these are the people I'm researching): Peter Patrick (or Patrick Peter) BURKE m. Bridget STANTON 1845 in Galway Children: A) Peter b. 1863 did not immigrate to the US; marriage, children and death unknown B) Patrick b. 1864 in Galway, married Margaret KILCOYNE (G1 below) in 1887 Scotland; died in 1940 in Columbus, Ohio. C) John b. ? did not immigrate to the US; marriage, children and death unknown D) Bridget b. 09 Dec 1865 in Stirling, did not immigrate to the US; marriage, children and death unknown E) Michael, b. 29 Oct 1868 in Stirling, married Catherine KILCOYNE (G3 below) in 1887 Scotland; died in 1952 in Columbus, Ohio; no children. F) Walter, b. 05 May 1873 in Stirling, marriage unknown, immigrated to the US in 1891, marriage, children and death unknown. The KILCOYNE family: Patrick KILCOYNE m Catherine LEYDEN, in Galway Children: G) John Patrick KILCOYNE, b. 1839 Galway, died 16 May 1928 in Columbus, Ohio Married Mary Ann HOUSTON, b. 1841 in Scotland, died Sept. 1905 in Columbus, Ohio Children: G1) Mary Ann KILCOYNE, b. 09 Mar 1866 in Perth, Scotland; married Tom Hamilton, died 1943 Columbus, Ohio G2) Margaret KILCOYNE, b. 04 Mar 1868 in Perth, Scotland; married Patrick Burke (B above); died in 1949 Columbus, Ohio G3) Catherine KILCOYNE, b. 13 May 1870 in Perth, Scotland; married Michael Burke (E above), above; died in 1934 Columbus, Ohio H) Patrick KILCOYNE, b. 28 Feb 1845 in Galway; married Anna Forbes; died 26 May 1913 in Columbus, Ohio I) Mary Ann KILCOYNE, b. 1849; married Austin Gavin 05 Aug 1867, remained in Scotland I'm most interesting in learning the fates of Peter, John and Bridget Burke, and Mary Ann Kilcoyne Gavin, and to discover where in Galway this family of Burkes might have been from. Thanks, Catherine Burke Hines

At present I have a film covering the Parochial Registers of Gort 1848-1884, if this is of interest I can do lookups, I have the film until 22 April, I have also ordered a film for Peterswell Galway, this has not arrived as yet, but I am hoping it is here is Australia otherwise I will have to wait a couple of months for it to come into the country. Barbara Robinson BNE QLD

Let me see if I understand. If I can't find my relations on familysearch.org, albeit with little detail, it probably means that getting the films from the LDS library would be futile? My specific situation is that my family spent the years from 1864/1865 to 1891 in Scotland, and I'm about to pay a professional in Scotland to try and research where they might have come from in Ireland. The records I've seen online only say, 'Galway'. I can find records in Scotland of births, but of the children who were born before the family moved to Scotland, nothing. I thought that meant that no one was researching that particular family, but you're saying that all of Volume 4 (for Galway) is online, as far as you know? So far, I've looked online for deaths in Scotland for the period after 1865, without finding anything. (This is on scotlandspeople.gov.uk, a pay-per-view site.) I've looked for a marriage I know took place (my ggrandparents) in Scotland without finding anything, so not everything was registered, as far as I can tell. For Ireland, I've relied on familysearch.org, but there is nothing at all for the people I'm looking for. If anyone has any ideas about any additional online resources, I'm certainly game. It's quite a puzzle, and I have no idea where to even begin. Any advice is more than welcome. I'm looking for: Patrick (possibly Patrick Joseph) BURKE, born 14 Mar 1864, in Galway. Patrick married Margaret KILCOYNE (born 04 Mar 1868) on 01 Aug 1887 in Perth, Scotland. His brother (or possibly half-brother) was Michael BURKE, born 29 Oct 1868 in Stirling, Scotland to Patrick Peter BURKE and Bridget STANTON. His sister (or possibly half-sister) was Bridget BURKE, born 09 Dec 1865 in Stirling, same parents. Thanks for any help or hints anyone can offer. Catherine

With the Reunion coming up from 27 June I would like to offer help regarding Irish Indexes B&D from 1864 to 1940 and Marriages 1845 to 1925, for these names and other variants. Wills from 1922 to 1940. The charts for Clan McGeoghegan have been printed for the Reunion some pedigrees are 21 feet in length ( not mine, sigh) these will be displayed along with the more traditional kind . Several carry links to 1622 via the Wallace Clare Pedigrees.Deeds and Wills. The oldest is to 1337 via Linea Antigua, Fiants,Wills and others.. These last two are 5' x 4' and I can see I have a very long way to go!! You are all invited to the Reunion where a 930 doc Index will be available gathered by the Clan over some 5 years. Folk from several countries will be there. Say 'you' will... You will? josi ----------------------------------- GEOGHEGAN Reunion,Ireland. Venues: Dublin, Galway and Athlone 27th June - 3rd July, 2005 ------------------------------------

Tim No,it doesn't work that way. I think you have assumed that the 4 volumes per year contain different LOCATIONS,when in fact they contain different DATES. So vol.4 = Jan-march births (or marriage,death) vol.9 = apr-jun vol 14 =jul-sep vol 19 = oct-dec .for the areas listed below. Ireland is divided into 5 areas,ROUGHLY diagonal bands North to south across the country. There are 4 Quarterly volumes for each area - 20 volumes for the whole country each year. Galway,Mayo,bits of Clare, Sligo,Roscommon, + parts of Kilkenny,Tip,Waterford,Cork,Wex, all come into volume 4,9,14,19. If you wanted,say Dublin, you would need vol.2,7,12,17. ( Volume 4 splits at Scariff or Swinford,if I remember correctly, so Tuam and Westport are in 4-2 ,if applicable, along with ALL the eastern/southern counties mentioned above -KIK,TIP,WAT,WEX,Cork) Each volume is arranged alphabetically by the Main registration district or PLU which is in your case Clifden. It comes near the beginning after Ballina,Ballinasloe,Ballinrobe,Boyle,Castlebar,etc.but before Galway,Gort,Glennamaddy etc. I'm sure you get the picture. So the whole of the Clifden PLU is in that volume,as well as the entire county of Galway. Clifden PLU is divided into sub -districts,Renvyle, Roundstone and Lettermullen (I think it's just the 3) . Depending on which townlands you want,they will always be listed in that particular sub-district. However,I always check all of them ,in case a woman returns to her parents' home for the birth,and that might cross the sub-district boundary.In that particular event,the place of birth determines which sub-district the child is registered in,but the father's residence is always noted on the form. It's a bit complicated to explain,but it makes sense when you have seen a volume on film. Bottom line,if you want to get ALL the births for one year for one townland,you MUST get all 4 films. So 28 films EACH for B,M,D. It's a big undertaking,and you should not go into it unprepared. First of all,I have templates pre-printed (I use excel) to transcribe onto,then put on PC later. That way ensures you don't miss a piece of info. If you have family in other counties covered by the film,take those details at the same time,so you don't have to go back at a later date. But mainly,decide if it is really worth the effort. ALL the births for that period are covered by familysearch.org + Vital records 2 (in fact,probably ALL on familysearch by now). The only difficulty for you is that familysearch gives only the main (sometimes sub) registration district,not the townland. So it's a lot of effort to go to , when the information is already out there, albeit not in as much detail. Cathy

Tim I have been doing this for years! I've just finished 1913, still a long way to go! For Clifden you need volumes 4,9,14 and 19. (1864-77) From 1878,you just need vol 4. Sometimes (Spring and summer) this later Volume 4 was split into two,written 4-1 and 4-2. You will always need 4-1 if there is a choice. Let me know if you need the LDS film numbers Cathy

: ----- Original Message ----- From: "tim berry" <timothytberry@yahoo.ca> : Has anyone on list had experience with transcribing or pulling data for : a specific townland in Ireland from the bmd records microfilmed by the : LDS or from the GRO in Dublin? : : I am attempting to try and do so for an area in Clifden...my goal is : to gatther ALL the births and marriages (regardless of surname)which : occurred in 2 specific townlands in this district from 1864-1870. Then I : will transcribe the full deatails of the event and upload them. My : dilemma is in finding which volumes hold which townlands within the Clifden : District. I have transcribed a lot of records for Beagh parish Galway. When I look at what is available for Clifden at LDS, I first searched for the Civil Parish for Clifden at www.seanruad.com It looks like Civil Parish is listed as Omey. From there I looked in Ryan's Irish Records for what is available for Omey Civil Parish and that referred me to the Civil parish of Ballindoon. That listing says the RC parish for Ballindoon is Omey and Balindoon (Clifden) and that there are records for births starting 1.1838 and marriages starting 5-1855 with some dates missing . From there I looked at what was listed at LDS for placename search of Ballindoon, Galway and Omey, Galway and that search came up with Church Records for : 1.Parochial registers of Ballyconneely, 1864-1880 Catholic Church. Chapelry of Ballyconneely (Galway) The Catholic parish of Clifden was formerly called Omey and Ballindoon. It includes the civil parishes of Omey and Ballindoon. A Catholic chapel of the parish is located in the town of Ballyconneely, civil parish of Ballindoon. Baptisms, 1864-1880; marriages, 1864-1872. FHL BRITISH Film 926231 Item 3 2. Parochial registers of Clifden (Galway), 1838-1938 Catholic Church. Parish of Clifden (Galway) Marriages, 1839-1848; baptisms, 1838-1855 FHL BRITISH Film 1279212 Item 20 Baptisms, 1856-1874; marriages, 1856-1871 FHL BRITISH Film 1279213 Item 1 Baptisms, 1864-1880; marriages, 1864-1878; deaths, 1869-1872 FHL BRITISH Film 1279213 Item 2 Baptisms, 1874-1898 FHL BRITISH Film 1279213 Item 3 Marriages, 1876-1938 FHL BRITISH Film 1279213 Item 4 Baptisms, 1879-1924 FHL BRITISH Film 1279213 Item 5 Baptisms, 1881-1900 FHL BRITISH Film 1279213 Item 6 Baptisms, 1899-1905 FHL BRITISH Film 1279213 Item 7 Baptisms, 1838-1874; marriages, 1839-1874 FHL BRITISH Film 926231 Items 1 - 2 3. Ireland, Galway, Omey - Church records Titles Parish registers of Omey Parish Church, 1822-1984 Church of Ireland. Parish Church of Omey (Galway) The Church of Ireland parish of Omey includes the civil parish of Omey in County Galway. The church, which is in the town of Clifden, is Christ Church. The parish is sometimes called Clifden Parish. Baptisms, 1822-1983. Marriages, 1820-1982. Burials, 1820-1984. FHL BRITISH Film 1279258 Items 8 - 13 Depending upon which townlands you are looking for, they are going to be mixed into one of these films along with all the other townlands. And the bad thing is most of the records don't mention a townland! In fact, very few parish record films I have been through mention townlands. And then again, for the dates you mentioned you may want to try the Civil Registration records! Hope this is what you were asking. Cathy

Greetings, Has anyone on list had experience with transcribing or pulling data for a specific townland in Ireland from the bmd records microfilmed by the LDS or from the GRO in Dublin? I am attempting to try and do so for an area in Clifden...my goal is to gatther ALL the births and marriages (regardless of surname)which occurred in 2 specific townlands in this district from 1864-1870. Then I will transcribe the full deatails of the event and upload them. My dilemma is in finding which volumes hold which townlands within the Clifden District. Per the Birth and Marriage Indexes through the LDS, it appears that the registrations for events in the each District are catologued in multiple Volumes.... Has anyone discovered the 'rule' as to how the GRO grouped and catalogued the records when they were collected from the local Dispensaries? Your assistance would be most welcommed and appreciated, Tim --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

Tim, Ireland was divided up into five regions. That is the number that is referred to in the index. At least in Region 2, there seems to be another division, which I haven't figured out yet, but it divides the volume in two. Don't know if that is true for Region 4 (which cover Galway and Clifden), but wouldn't be surprised to find that is the case. Within each of these sub-regions, the data was again divided up by Poor Law Union which appear in aphabetical order. Within each Poor Law Union there are registration districts which appear in aphabetical order, about four or five to a Poor Law Union. Note: I have found some of the registation districts out of order and at the end of the film for Volume 2. At least with the FHL organization, which I suspect comes from the GRO's organization, there are 20 films per year for births, marriages, and deaths for the timeframe you are looking at. Film 1 for a year is for Region 1, 1st quarter. Film 2 is for Region 2, first quarter. Film 3 is for Region 3, first quarter. Film 4 is for Region 4, first quarter. Film 5 is for Region 5, first quarter, Film 6 is for Region 1, second quarter. And it continues. Region 1 would have films 1, 6, 11, 16 for their respective quarter. Region 2 would have films 2, 7, 12, and 17 for their respective quarters. Region 4 would have 4, 9, 14, and 19 for the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter respectively. You can order FHL 476999, which will give a list of townlands for the 1871 Census as well as the Poor Law Unions, Registration Districts, and electoral districts. Sue Richart -----Original Message----- From: tim berry [mailto:timothytberry@yahoo.ca] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 1:44 PM To: IRL-GALWAY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GALWAY] Extracting records from LDS films for Galway Greetings, Has anyone on list had experience with transcribing or pulling data for a specific townland in Ireland from the bmd records microfilmed by the LDS or from the GRO in Dublin? I am attempting to try and do so for an area in Clifden...my goal is to gatther ALL the births and marriages (regardless of surname)which occurred in 2 specific townlands in this district from 1864-1870. Then I will transcribe the full deatails of the event and upload them. My dilemma is in finding which volumes hold which townlands within the Clifden District. Per the Birth and Marriage Indexes through the LDS, it appears that the registrations for events in the each District are catologued in multiple Volumes.... Has anyone discovered the 'rule' as to how the GRO grouped and catalogued the records when they were collected from the local Dispensaries? Your assistance would be most welcommed and appreciated, Tim --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ==== IRL-GALWAY Mailing List ==== Join an Ireland list that discusses Irish genealogy, history, and culture. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRELAND.html ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx