Hello, I'd just like to mention that I have received information from some very helpful researchers about my husband's great-grandparents. I only found out about Peter GAVIN and Margaret WHALEN / WHELAN this year. From census information, I read that they were born in County Galway, both in 1860. The new information I just received showed they arrived in Boston on different ships in different months in 1883. And, the "ship list" showed the ship stopped in both Liverpool and -Queenstown- (which I searched on-line to find out was changed to Cobh ("the Cove of Cork"). Someone mentioned that many of the ships at that time stopped in Liverpool first and then stopped at (then) Queenstown to pick up more passengers - before heading to the U.S. So, some questions still remain. For instance, did Peter and Margaret get on in Liverpool or in Queenstown? And, did Peter and Margaret know each other before they came to Boston? And, if Peter and Margaret were born in Co. Galway, did they travel to either Liverpool or Queenstown to be able to "come to America?" One year after arriving they married in Waltham, MA (1884). So, either they knew each other before arriving in Boston, or they both ended up going to family members in Waltham and they met there. (I have not been able to find out if they did have family already here. And, I have not been able to find out if they had relatives in MA while they were raising their children in the 1888 to 1925 timeframe.) Thank you for your time. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) We may have arrived on different ships but we're all in the same boat now. :o) (thinking genealogy) (possibly first said by Martin Luther King, Jr.)

I went to a genealogy meeting for a they came in Ships. When you at looking at the records this speaker was saying to check more then the date you say the came. A lot of Irish Folks went and came a lot they did not just stay in the US so look at other dates. Phyllis

Today's Topics: 1. Re: CARR (Wendy Macdonald) Message: 1 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:14:11 -0400 From: "Wendy Macdonald" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] CARR I don't have a Sally Carr that I am aware of, but thanks. Wendy Sally is a derivitive of Sarah so be sure to look under both. Lee

The list has 4 Charles Sullivans. It also has 2 by a Charles Edward Sullivan. The service Numbers are as follows: 21221, 34463, 44938, and Charles Edward Sullivan 70922, and 69739 In a message dated 8/25/2008 1:48:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: In a message dated 23/08/2008 16:54:43 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: could you tell me where to look up info for the Royal Irish Constables ? My G G Gpa was in it. His name was Charles Sullivan. He drop the O' from his name to get the job I've been told. Also no proof but I have a note that he died 1919. These are your options: Charles O'Sulllivan s/n 37501 - joined 1871 Charles J. O' Sullivan s/n 60213 - joined c1900 Charles Sullivan s/n 21221 joined 1856 34463 " 1868 44938 " 1879 Charles E. 70922 " 1920 Chas Ed. 69739 " 1918 Cathy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

In a message dated 23/08/2008 16:54:43 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: could you tell me where to look up info for the Royal Irish Constables ? My G G Gpa was in it. His name was Charles Sullivan. He drop the O' from his name to get the job I've been told. Also no proof but I have a note that he died 1919. These are your options: Charles O'Sulllivan s/n 37501 - joined 1871 Charles J. O' Sullivan s/n 60213 - joined c1900 Charles Sullivan s/n 21221 joined 1856 34463 " 1868 44938 " 1879 Charles E. 70922 " 1920 Chas Ed. 69739 " 1918 Cathy

Hi Lee Well, I do have a Sarah Carr, b. July 30, 1837 in Galway Ireland. Daughter of Henry Carr b. 1800 Galway, Ireland and Lucinda Carroll? She would have been my gr gr grandfather's sister. Regards, Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lee Carr" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 123 > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: CARR (Wendy Macdonald) > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:14:11 -0400 > From: "Wendy Macdonald" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] CARR > > > I don't have a Sally Carr that I am aware of, but thanks. > Wendy > > Sally is a derivitive of Sarah so be sure to look under both. > > Lee > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tonight I found this British search site. It had information on My Galway Ancestors that either served in British Military, or lived at some time in England. It does charge a fee for Document retrievel, but I was abled to get some good info without having to pay...Maybe it is worth a shot for some of You....ED _Family Tree • Genealogy • Ancestor • Ancestry • Family History_ (http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/home/) **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

You know, my ggg grandmother (Mary Heaney) was said to be the daughter of Barbara McHuge (not sure if it was McHugo). I just find it interesting that it is so close. Does anyone know of any Heaney/Henni/Haney's that are in this family please? Brynjulf Hulleberg> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:10:52 -0400> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]> Subject: [IRL-GALWAY] McHugo Family> > I am also looking for any information a McHugo family. Thomas and Lawrence> McHugo were brothers. Thomas was my great grandfather. I had the East Galway> family History Center do a search for me several years ago. So I know that> Thomas and Lawrence did not come from the Eastern part of Galway. Thomas was> born in 1825 he immigrated to the US in 1845. He lived in Vermont,> Wisconsin, and finally settled in Janesville Minnesota. He married Hannah> Kelly in 1860 in Fairbault Minnesota in 1860. Lawrence immigrated to the US> with his wife Mary and one child and moved to Janesville Minnesota where he> settled as well. I am looking for their origins in Galway as well.> Phyllis> [email protected]> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tom writes: == I have also found references to a Parish Duras, and a Parish Kinvara, and a Parish Kinvaradoorus. Can I assume that the reference that my gggrandfather made in 1851 to "Parish Duras" in Galway refers to the areas listed above? == Yes. The 1839 Ordnance Survey Letters for Co. Galway describe separate Doorus and Kinvarra civil parishes, adjacent to each other. The index to these letters (perhaps supplied later) lists Doorus, but only with a cross-reference to Kinvarradoorus. The Kinvarradoorus civil parish index starts with "The united Parishes of Doorus & Kinvarra so called". I would have thought that when John O' Donovan wrote these letters in 1839, that the parishes would have already been combined - but, for some reason, he covers them separately in the body of the letters themselves. I don't know the exact border between the original two parishes, but J. O' D. refers to Doorus parish as "small" and mentions the promontory of Doorus (Dubh Ros - Black Point) in his brief description of the parish. The ruins of the 14th century parish church are there in the townland of Doorus (some unpleasant, roaming dogs kept me from getting right to the ruins a few years ago). The original parish of Doorus could have included all of the small townlands on that sprawling peninsula of Doorus - perhaps a dozen of them. I don't have any maps or information on the original boundary. Perhaps another lister might know? Pete - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Tom: I believe they are one and the same though a mapmaker would differentiate of course. I've been in that area a couple of times, and had letters from my GGF writing to my GM indicating Duras, then Doorus, and since we have come to know some wonderful people who own a B&B and are locals, we've had luck in getting more information that is helpful in looking up my Walsh/Whelan connections from the area. Good luck--and if you visit, the Pier area of Kinvara is charming as is the town. Barbara In a message dated 8/24/2008 12:36:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Message: 5 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:03:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Tom" <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-GALWAY] Parish Duras Revisted To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 I have found a "House of Duras" (Doorus ...) in Kinvara. I have also found references to a Parish Duras, and a Parish Kinvara, and a Parish Kinvaradoorus. Can I assume that the reference that my gggrandfather made in 1851 to "Parish Duras" in Galway refers to the areas listed above? http://www.kinvara.com/doorushouse/location.htm **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

The only records not available via the LDS are the microfiche of the indexes, which, for whatever reason cannot be circulated to other FHCs. But all the General Registers of Service 1816-1922 are available on LDS film. Jim Herlihy's book is the definitive index of names/service numbers. The muddle, according to Herlihy, was different indexing by various organisations, matching different sets of film numbers held by Dublin, Kew, Proni, LDS etc I have Herlihy's index, if anyone needs a service number looked up. You would then need to decide where you will look for the actual record (Dublin, Kew, LDS) and I can find the appropriate film number for that particular set of archives. There will almost always be more than one person with the same name. The service numbers were allocated in date order of joining, and were filmed in that order. So you need an approximate decade of birth, if you don't want to waste time looking up someone who joined in 1820, rather than 1920. Men could join after age 19, so unless you know otherwise, that is the rough timeframe to work from. Some one asked if there is other info available. I have not been to the Dublin Archives, but I did find some Pension details in records held at Kew, which have not been filmed. In the main, these were details of names, addresses and amounts paid to pensioners and their widows. So it is likely that Dublin holds similar data. But only the General Registers have been filmed and made available worldwide. You would need to write to the archives at Dublin Castle for anything else. Cathy

I have ordered the Microfilms for the several Men I need to research. Does the Microfilm not have the entire Record for the Men listed?. If not; are additional Records available elsewhere?. In a message dated 8/24/2008 12:08:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: The LDS church filmed several databases with RIC lists of names like the one described earlier with personal information. However, FHCs are not allowed to order the sets of microfiche containing all the personal data. That said, one hard to find listing for RIC information noted there was a set of 32 microfilms that COULD be ordered into FHCs. There are several INDEX films, some partial, some by volume n with most of the films having lists of names in order of service number. I copy pasted the long list of 31 films here and cut it down to manageable size. Its a bit long since there are so many films, but its not tremendous. Here is the basic list of films that can be ordered : ======================= Royal Irish Constabulary General registers of services, returns of personnel, 1816-1922 Authors- Great Britain. Public Record Office, Royal Irish Constabulary Microfilm of original records at the London Record Office. For microfiches 6344743 & 6344782, no circulation to family history centers. However films 0856057-0856069, 0852088-0852104 may circulate to family history centers. Subjects Ireland - Public records. 31 Microfilmed reels. 35mm. Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1971. The Royal Irish Constabulary was a police force for all of Ireland. This index includes name, age, county or country of birth, whether married, year of enlistment and comments. Indexed in: The R I C index Part 1, 1816-1882 - 6344743. Part 2, 1882-1921- 6344782 Service nos. 1-4000 (v. 1-2, 1816-1840) - 856057 Service nos. 4001-8000 (v. 3-4 1840-1846) - 856058 Service nos. 8001-12000 (v. 5-6 1846-1848) 856059 Service nos. 12001-15890 (v. 7-8 1848-1852) - 856060 Service nos. 15891-19640 (v. 9-10 1852-1855) - 856061 Service nos. 19641-21530 (v. 11 1855-1857) - 856062 Service nos. 21531-27200 (v. 12-14 1857-1861) - 856063 Service nos. 27201-31000 (v. 15-16 1861-1865) - 856064 Service nos. 31001-35000 (v. 17-18 1865-1868) - 856065 Service nos. 35001-39000 (v. 19-20 1868-1872) - 856066 Service nos. 39001-43000 (v. 21-22 1872-1877) - 856067 Service nos. 43001-47000 (v. 23-24 1877-1881) - 856068 Service nos. 47001-49000 (v. 25 1881-1882) - 856069 Service nos. 49001-53000 (v. 26-27 1882-1888) - 852088 Service nos. 53001-57000 (v. 28-29 1888-1895) - 852089 Service nos. 57001-61000 (v. 30-31 1895-1902) - 852090 Service nos. 61001-65000 (v. 32-33 1902-1909) - 852091 Service nos. 65001-69000 (v. 34-35 1909-1917) - 852092 Service nos. 69001-73000 (v. 36-37 1917-1920) - 852093 Service nos. 73001-77000 (v. 38-39 1920) - 852094 Service nos. 77001-81000 (v. 40-41 1920-1922) - 852095 Service nos. 81001-83743 (v. 42 1921) 852104 INDEX films : 1816-67 (v. 43) 1868-83 (v. 44) (Partial index surname, then by service #) - 852096 Supplemental service register with index v. 45 1817-1883 - 852097 Supplemental service register with index v. 46-47 1884-1921 - 852098 Supplemental service reg’r 19th-20th C v. 48 [index]. 19th-20th C v. 49-51 (no index)- 852099 Nominal returns by counties 19th-20 century, v. 52-54 - 852100 Nominal returns by counties 19th-20th century, vols. 55-57 - 852101 Nominal returns by counties 19th-20th century, v. 58-60 - 852102 Nominal returns by counties 19th-20th C, v. 61-62 Files and legal decisions, v. 63. - 852103 Intelligence notices, 19th-20th century - 852110 There are OTHER filmed databases for the RIC, one in particular says it has a lot of personal notes but those microfiche are also not orderable into any FHC. Its a different set of microfiche numbers, so its not the same information that's in the 31 films seen above. I think this is the set with all the personal information. So its been FILMED but is NOT to be sent to any FHC. Access supposedly only at the Salt Lake City Temple library. The Royal Irish Constabulary index FHL BRITISH Access Services Window, 7 fiche set - 6344487. The description is word for word the same as the above set of 31 films. I'm confused as to why there are so many films and fiche for possibly the same database, but will order the first INDEX film [852096] to see what's in it. Will take another 3 weeks to get here if its not put on backorder. Will report later. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ========================= Helen O'Connor wrote: > The LDS Library in SLC has the RIC records on film. There are also > indexes for looking up the name. Go to http://familysearch.com then > click on Library and then Library Catalog, then subject and type in > Royal Irish Constabulary. See if you can order them from your local > Family History Center. I had a RIC number to look for so I didn't need > the indexes and was able to find my person. > Helen O'Connor > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

The LDS church filmed several databases with RIC lists of names like the one described earlier with personal information. However, FHCs are not allowed to order the sets of microfiche containing all the personal data. That said, one hard to find listing for RIC information noted there was a set of 32 microfilms that COULD be ordered into FHCs. There are several INDEX films, some partial, some by volume n with most of the films having lists of names in order of service number. I copy pasted the long list of 31 films here and cut it down to manageable size. Its a bit long since there are so many films, but its not tremendous. Here is the basic list of films that can be ordered : ======================= Royal Irish Constabulary General registers of services, returns of personnel, 1816-1922 Authors- Great Britain. Public Record Office, Royal Irish Constabulary Microfilm of original records at the London Record Office. For microfiches 6344743 & 6344782, no circulation to family history centers. However films 0856057-0856069, 0852088-0852104 may circulate to family history centers. Subjects Ireland - Public records. 31 Microfilmed reels. 35mm. Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1971. The Royal Irish Constabulary was a police force for all of Ireland. This index includes name, age, county or country of birth, whether married, year of enlistment and comments. Indexed in: The R I C index Part 1, 1816-1882 - 6344743. Part 2, 1882-1921- 6344782 Service nos. 1-4000 (v. 1-2, 1816-1840) - 856057 Service nos. 4001-8000 (v. 3-4 1840-1846) - 856058 Service nos. 8001-12000 (v. 5-6 1846-1848) 856059 Service nos. 12001-15890 (v. 7-8 1848-1852) - 856060 Service nos. 15891-19640 (v. 9-10 1852-1855) - 856061 Service nos. 19641-21530 (v. 11 1855-1857) - 856062 Service nos. 21531-27200 (v. 12-14 1857-1861) - 856063 Service nos. 27201-31000 (v. 15-16 1861-1865) - 856064 Service nos. 31001-35000 (v. 17-18 1865-1868) - 856065 Service nos. 35001-39000 (v. 19-20 1868-1872) - 856066 Service nos. 39001-43000 (v. 21-22 1872-1877) - 856067 Service nos. 43001-47000 (v. 23-24 1877-1881) - 856068 Service nos. 47001-49000 (v. 25 1881-1882) - 856069 Service nos. 49001-53000 (v. 26-27 1882-1888) - 852088 Service nos. 53001-57000 (v. 28-29 1888-1895) - 852089 Service nos. 57001-61000 (v. 30-31 1895-1902) - 852090 Service nos. 61001-65000 (v. 32-33 1902-1909) - 852091 Service nos. 65001-69000 (v. 34-35 1909-1917) - 852092 Service nos. 69001-73000 (v. 36-37 1917-1920) - 852093 Service nos. 73001-77000 (v. 38-39 1920) - 852094 Service nos. 77001-81000 (v. 40-41 1920-1922) - 852095 Service nos. 81001-83743 (v. 42 1921) 852104 INDEX films : 1816-67 (v. 43) 1868-83 (v. 44) (Partial index surname, then by service #) - 852096 Supplemental service register with index v. 45 1817-1883 - 852097 Supplemental service register with index v. 46-47 1884-1921 - 852098 Supplemental service reg’r 19th-20th C v. 48 [index]. 19th-20th C v. 49-51 (no index)- 852099 Nominal returns by counties 19th-20 century, v. 52-54 - 852100 Nominal returns by counties 19th-20th century, vols. 55-57 - 852101 Nominal returns by counties 19th-20th century, v. 58-60 - 852102 Nominal returns by counties 19th-20th C, v. 61-62 Files and legal decisions, v. 63. - 852103 Intelligence notices, 19th-20th century - 852110 There are OTHER filmed databases for the RIC, one in particular says it has a lot of personal notes but those microfiche are also not orderable into any FHC. Its a different set of microfiche numbers, so its not the same information that's in the 31 films seen above. I think this is the set with all the personal information. So its been FILMED but is NOT to be sent to any FHC. Access supposedly only at the Salt Lake City Temple library. The Royal Irish Constabulary index FHL BRITISH Access Services Window, 7 fiche set - 6344487. The description is word for word the same as the above set of 31 films. I'm confused as to why there are so many films and fiche for possibly the same database, but will order the first INDEX film [852096] to see what's in it. Will take another 3 weeks to get here if its not put on backorder. Will report later. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ========================= Helen O'Connor wrote: > The LDS Library in SLC has the RIC records on film. There are also > indexes for looking up the name. Go to http://familysearch.com then > click on Library and then Library Catalog, then subject and type in > Royal Irish Constabulary. See if you can order them from your local > Family History Center. I had a RIC number to look for so I didn't need > the indexes and was able to find my person. > Helen O'Connor > > >

The LDS Library in SLC has the RIC records on film. There are also indexes for looking up the name. Go to http://familysearch.com then click on Library and then Library Catalog, then subject and type in Royal Irish Constabulary. See if you can order them from your local Family History Center. I had a RIC number to look for so I didn't need the indexes and was able to find my person. Helen O'Connor

Jo You can get RIC information from Ancestry.co.uk, but probably the best source is from PRONI (http://www.psni.police.uk/index/police_museum.htm) for more information. Chris -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 23 August 2008 13:48 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] IRL-GALWAY Digest, Vol 3, Issue 134 could you tell me where to look up info for the Royal Irish Constables ? My G G Gpa was in it. His name was Charles Sullivan. He drop the O' from his name to get the job I've been told. Also no proof but I have a note that he died 1919. Jo **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

RIC records for all of the country of Ireland are on film at the G*arda Museum, Dublin castle, Ireland* and also at the *National Archives, Bishop St., Dublin.* information shows such details as name age height, the person who recommended the recruit, the occupation, the date of enlistment, places and dates of service or promotion, any details of penalties or fines or awards for service, date of marriage if any and county of birth of wife........retirement date or end of service and amount of pension if any. Many of the police emigrated and in some cases this is entered on the register e. g. emigrated to Australia or elsewhere. Recruits had to be a certain height, swear an oat of allegiance to the English monarch, be either single or widowed, able to read and write, not have been in prison, have a certain amount of clothing and have enough money to last until the first pay was issued. Seems salary was £1 per week.....................and looks as if no increase for 20 years....... There were lots of rules attached, they coulent serve in their own county or the wifes county of birth....couldnt marry for 7 years and even then had to have a wife appoved by the force, wife was not allowed keep lodgers nor be a dressmaker........ Patrick McGee is the person in charge of the Garda museum and is most helpful. The RIC was disbanded and the Garda Siochana were formed in the early 1920s. some of the RIC joined the newly named force at that time. hope this is of help. Roisin Further information Please forward any correspondence to: The Archivist, Garda Síochána Museum/Archives, The Records Tower, Dublin Castle, Dublin 2, Ireland. Email: [email protected] Telephone: +353.1.6669998.

In a message dated 8/23/2008 7:53:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: >>could you tell me where to look up info for the Royal Irish Constables ? << Jo, Try _www.google.com_ (http://www.google.com) _http://www.esatclear.ie/~ric/_ (http://www.esatclear.ie/~ric/) Royal Irish Constabulary _http://www.cyndislist.com/ireland.htm_ (http://www.cyndislist.com/ireland.htm) _http://www.psni.police.uk/index/pg_police_museum/pg_the_royal_ulster_constabu lary.htm_ (http://www.psni.police.uk/index/pg_police_museum/pg_the_royal_ulster_constabulary.htm) Joan **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

I have found a "House of Duras" (Doorus ...) in Kinvara. I have also found references to a Parish Duras, and a Parish Kinvara, and a Parish Kinvaradoorus. Can I assume that the reference that my gggrandfather made in 1851 to "Parish Duras" in Galway refers to the areas listed above? http://www.kinvara.com/doorushouse/location.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Irish_Constabulary they were all over Ireland I did not see Galway on this site. There are books out for them On Aug 23, 2008, at 8:47 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Royal Irish Constables

could you tell me where to look up info for the Royal Irish Constables ? My G G Gpa was in it. His name was Charles Sullivan. He drop the O' from his name to get the job I've been told. Also no proof but I have a note that he died 1919. Jo **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)