The FHC where I volunteer as a non-churchmember has the INDEX films for Births, Marriages and Deaths in Ireland from 1864-1958. These Index films do not have the full details of the handwritten Registration, but give just maybe enough information to see if the person is of interest. I found that using IFHF to get the Free search data would then allow me to go to the correct Index film to look for a more precise entry. The IFHF free data I've gotten is the name, the year and the county for an event [B, M or D], Census data is not in the Index films. I then check the corresponding entry in the Index films and see the parish where the event was registered, and an age at death if its a Death Registration. If you seek a marriage, I can check to see if both names have the same volume and page number which isn't 'proof' they wed, but its a really good indication. With other marriages on the same page, there is a possibility both names are on the page but wed to someone else. If the IFHF data is from Church Records, these films won't help, they are Civil Registration only. The Index films were made from the yearly books which used Civil Registration information. They may help target a specific individual, or they may not be helpful, perhaps the name is very common and there are just too many entries to choose from. If someone wishes to try a test of this method, send me what you got from IFHF's free search - NAME, YEAR, COUNTY. Tell me if its a Birth, Marriage or a Death. I'll check the Index films and see what is there. Its worth a shot I think. Best case scenario is for IFHF to give more information in their free searches, but its not likely to happen as mistaken entries would no longer be downloaded at 5 Euros each while you zero in on a target. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA =================================

Elizabeth, I agree with the points that you made and also wish that there was more information provided to help one in making the choice of whether/what records to purchase. I would think the site would prove more lucrative if more information were provided for those searching the records. I do hope to travel to Ireland again fairly soon. In the meantime, the ifhf sites serve the purpose of providing some leads to follow up on...as well as new avenues for thought in trying to make connections. Records bought at the GRO are, as has been noted, cheaper and provide more information, but the online sites can be useful in their own way. Sheila **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)

Oh, yes, transcription errors...I found my grandmother by accident. Her birth was indexed under death records. Beth On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:35 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Actually, you can make 5 euro purchases. After I've narrowed prospects in > the > IFHF index down to the most likely births, baptisms, etc., I then decide > whether to order the film from the LDS or get the information immediately > from the > IFHF for a bit more money. One drawback to the IFHF is that the information > is often not as complete as in the original entry (a death entry I got from > the > IFHF did not list cause of death, though the GRO record did). In addition, > the IFHF material has been transcribed, which means transcription errors > are > possible. > > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Elizabeth W. Tordella, MS, RN [email protected]

Hi, Sheila I am glad you had a good experience on the ifhf.brsgenealogy site. I have found some documents that were appropriate to my family but this was by sheer luck. You cannot review the document before you purchase it and that is a problem for me because my family reused names to the nth degree. The site also does nothing from preventing a duplicate purchase. I have purchased documents that aren't what I wanted. Because I find the absence of a better review of documents on this site, I post findings that don't belong to me. It is nice that they reduced the price from 10 Euros to 5, but with the US exchange rate as it is, it is expensive if the document is not the one desired. The site should reveal a bit more data so that the consumer would be better informed. I would spend freely if I were assured that what I am buying is what I want. Remember, there is no return ability for purchase of bad documents. Others have weighed on this in previous communications and feel a bit like I do, though I am not speaking for anyone but myself. The idea is good but very underdeveloped. Thanks for sharing your story. It is reassuring. Beth On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:09 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Just to share my own experience with the ifhf.brsgenealogy site and ones > associated with it (specific county sites).... > > It's true that searching is free and can be narrowed down in some cases to > the parish level, at least on the county sites. I used it to "verify" a > bit > of the information that I already had and then proceeded to purchase > records. > (Verification is not really the correct word; comparison of information > would > be a better choice as you can't really verify anything until you pay and > actually see the record.) I was not disappointed with any of my purchases > and > will use a couple of the records to do further research. > > It's not true that 20 Euros is the minimum purchase allowed though, as on > one occasion I purchased a single record for 5 Euros. No one likes to > waste > money, but being able to buy a single record that you're fairly sure is > yours is > a pretty good deal. The cost was originally 10 Euros per record and I > would > not have paid that unless I was very sure the information was mine. > Lowering > the price made a difference for me and I will not hesitate to consider > using > the sites again. > > If I remember correctly, the cost of buying a single "record" in Dublin at > the GRO is now 4 Euros, and that is after paying to search the Indexes if > you > do not have the specific information/dates/names that you're after. (I am > relying on memory of what I have read, so don't "quote" me, and I haven't > been > there in a couple of years , since before the price was raised. ) Sorry to > be > long winded (I'm "Irish", ok??) Hope this helps someone. > > > **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW > AOL.com. > ( > http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Elizabeth W. Tordella, MS, RN [email protected]

Just to share my own experience with the ifhf.brsgenealogy site and ones associated with it (specific county sites).... It's true that searching is free and can be narrowed down in some cases to the parish level, at least on the county sites. I used it to "verify" a bit of the information that I already had and then proceeded to purchase records. (Verification is not really the correct word; comparison of information would be a better choice as you can't really verify anything until you pay and actually see the record.) I was not disappointed with any of my purchases and will use a couple of the records to do further research. It's not true that 20 Euros is the minimum purchase allowed though, as on one occasion I purchased a single record for 5 Euros. No one likes to waste money, but being able to buy a single record that you're fairly sure is yours is a pretty good deal. The cost was originally 10 Euros per record and I would not have paid that unless I was very sure the information was mine. Lowering the price made a difference for me and I will not hesitate to consider using the sites again. If I remember correctly, the cost of buying a single "record" in Dublin at the GRO is now 4 Euros, and that is after paying to search the Indexes if you do not have the specific information/dates/names that you're after. (I am relying on memory of what I have read, so don't "quote" me, and I haven't been there in a couple of years , since before the price was raised. ) Sorry to be long winded (I'm "Irish", ok??) Hope this helps someone. **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002)

Hello Tom - this is not really a subscription site, it has parish and other records which are searchable for free but cost 5 Euro to actually look at the record. I think the minimum purchase of credits is 20 Euro. The sites cover a number of Irish counties and are mainly the county Heritage Centres which hold transcripts of a great many church records and a growing amount of the 1901 and 1911 censuses. So ... if you are fairly sure the information you found will be useful it is well worth paying to see it. If not, it can be very expensive to view records which turn out not to be of the correct family. [Still, I guess cheaper than an airfare!] This information is not generally on Ancestry. Hope this is helpful. Patsy - New Zealand Subject: [IRL-GALWAY] Subscription sites > > I have hit a brick wall with the Ward and McHugo side of my tree. I just > ran across this site, and it appears they may have some info that may be > helpful. > > Is this site worth paying for? > > http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/index.php > > P.S. I do have an ancestry.com subscription ... > > > Tom

Dear Tom, My husband's mother's family came from the Tipperari/Limerick/Clare area. Any connection? Sandy

Actually, you can make 5 euro purchases. After I've narrowed prospects in the IFHF index down to the most likely births, baptisms, etc., I then decide whether to order the film from the LDS or get the information immediately from the IFHF for a bit more money. One drawback to the IFHF is that the information is often not as complete as in the original entry (a death entry I got from the IFHF did not list cause of death, though the GRO record did). In addition, the IFHF material has been transcribed, which means transcription errors are possible. Diane

Debbie asks: === Any suggestions of good places to see and visit while there? === Sure. Lots of 'em. But it partly depends on whether or not you will be driving around, and just how far from Mountshannon you'd like to venture. Of course, Inis Cealtra (Holy Island) in Lough Derg would be a big one. If you drop me a line off-list, I can probably answer a lot of your questions and give you some tips........I've been to the area on several trips. But I don't do any genealogy, and my interests are more medieval than modern - so I won't be able to comment on your St. Caimin's church (although I can tell you about the 12th century St. Caimin's Church out on the island [gr]). Pete .................................................... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts </HTML>

I have hit a brick wall with the Ward and McHugo side of my tree. I just ran across this site, and it appears they may have some info that may be helpful. Is this site worth paying for? http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/index.php P.S. I do have an ancestry.com subscription ... Tom

Planning a future trip to the Mount shannon area for family research. Is there anyone out there that lives in this beautiful town? We are most interested in visiting St. Caimins Catholic church in Mountshannon. The only record of our family existing in Ireland is a birth record for son Edmund Omalley born to Thomas and Mary Noonan Omalley on Jan. 27th, 1846. I found that Father Patrick Omeally was the PP at the time and was instrumental in the building and designing of this church. Father Patrick was assigned to the diocese of Killaloe. Our ancestor Thomas has given his residence in Ireland as Galway, Clare and Tipperary so we are pretty sure that he kept within the Killaloe boundries as well. Possibly traveling with his brother Patrick from parish to parish. I just want to connect the dots and get as much information in the Mountshannon area as I can prior to arriving in Ireland. I thought if someone lived in the area they might give me more information about this church and its history. I have found some info on the internet, but was hoping that maybe the church put out a pamphlet of its history at an anniversary celebration at some time. Any suggestions of good places to see and visit while there? Any suggestions would be most welcome... Debbie

I have just uploaded 4 new cemetery transcriptions from Anna Ryan. I believe Anna usually says her transcriptions are partial ones. Christchurch, Church of Ireland, Saint Brendan’s Street, Portumna Kilcummin Cemetery, Oughterard Renvyle Cemetery, Renvyle, County Galway Toorena Cemetery, Renvyle, County Galway http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ Also please note that we have a new Submission system. You can submit photos (of genealogical value, not travel type) and transcriptions. Here is the direct link for submissions. http://www.genrecords.org/irfiles/ We do not yet have all topics covered here. We are testing out the system to be sure it is working and will add others. You can still send directly to me of course. Be SURE to pick the county at the end and fill in all fields with an asterisk. Please transcribe at least names and dates on headstone photos. Please. A suggestion, copy the text if you typed it in. That way if there is a glitch you can re-open the form and paste in your transcription. Enjoy! Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives

Hi,I'm researching in Oxfordshire for Gilpin descendants. Not only am I a Gilpin whose ancestry goes from the States to Canada to Ireland, to England, I am doing a one surname study and DNA project, world wide. If you have ever wondered about Genetic Genealogy I have a very nice (so I've been told) web page explaining it all.... http://freepages.family.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ Please feel free to drop by when ever. Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin

Peter - I am still researching and trying to clarify whereabout of my Irish Ancestors... but I can say I know for certain that with my Polish ancestors, my great grandfather came first and settled in America. Yes, my great grandfather had to come and live with another family member -albeit distant, but "family" - in America. My great grandmother and their two children came years later.... Hope that helps. Kim in NH -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Peter & Sandy Mitchell" <[email protected]> > According to the Irish Church records Allen Mitchell inhabited house # 1 in the > Ballyconneely Church Mission from the 1890's to 1900. Accoridng to family > history and census reords Allen Mitchell came to Canada in 1890. Has anybody > seen other instances where a sponsered family went overseas to Canada over a 10 > year period? For example, father and sons on the first trip and woemn later > when they could afford it? > > Peter Mitchell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

My Irish family came to Boston, Massachusetts from County Leitrim over a period of years from 1846 to 1853. 1. Third eldest, a son, John, 20 years, single arrived on 1846. 2. Second eldest, another son, Michael, 26 years, a widower, arrived 1848 3. Eldest child, another son, Thomas, 31 years, married, arrived 1849 with his wife and 2 children 4. Fourth eldest, a daughter, Mary, 21 years, single, arrived 1850 5. Fifth eldest, another son, James, 16 years, single, arrived 1851 6. Their mother Catherine, and 3 youngest children, arrived 1853, after their father patrick died. Patrick had refused to leave his land and therefore his wife and youngest children stayed in Ireland until he died. >From this evidence, I believe each child worked in America to raise the funds for the next one(s) to come. Marcie Garritt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter & Sandy Mitchell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:46 PM Subject: [IRL-GALWAY] Mitchell's > According to the Irish Church records Allen Mitchell inhabited house # 1 > in the Ballyconneely Church Mission from the 1890's to 1900. Accoridng to > family history and census reords Allen Mitchell came to Canada in 1890. > Has anybody seen other instances where a sponsered family went overseas to > Canada over a 10 year period? For example, father and sons on the first > trip and woemn later when they could afford it? > > Peter Mitchell > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.10/1810 - Release Date: 11/24/2008 2:36 PM

Hi, Peter: My Irish ancestors came to the USA in the 1850s. The father left his wife and 7 children behind and came in 1853. The wife and children came in 1856. By 1856 he had bought 40 acres in Indiana. I have always assumed that he had saved the money and bought their passage as well. My English ancestors sent their three oldest boys together to the USA in 1849. In 1853, the boys' parents and all their siblings (ages 6 to 26 years) came to the USA. In fact, family lore says that the three boys were at the dock to meet the family when they arrived in 1853. This family, as a group, had moved to Minnesota by 1860 and homesteaded when the act was implemented in 1862, the parents and each grown child establishing his/her own homestead in western Minnesota. There was a similar occurrence with my Norwegian ancestors. My great grandfather immigrated in 1885 with a wife and 4 children, and his nephew and his wife coming a few years later. >From my family history, it appears this was a fairly common occurrence. Judy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter & Sandy Mitchell Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-GALWAY] Mitchell's According to the Irish Church records Allen Mitchell inhabited house # 1 in the Ballyconneely Church Mission from the 1890's to 1900. Accoridng to family history and census reords Allen Mitchell came to Canada in 1890. Has anybody seen other instances where a sponsered family went overseas to Canada over a 10 year period? For example, father and sons on the first trip and woemn later when they could afford it? Peter Mitchell ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

According to the Irish Church records Allen Mitchell inhabited house # 1 in the Ballyconneely Church Mission from the 1890's to 1900. Accoridng to family history and census reords Allen Mitchell came to Canada in 1890. Has anybody seen other instances where a sponsered family went overseas to Canada over a 10 year period? For example, father and sons on the first trip and woemn later when they could afford it? Peter Mitchell

Hello - I am new to the list and hoping someone can give me some information about the following families: I am searching for McGuire's in the Maumeen area. On the 1901 census of Maumeen (return # 30), Patrick McGuire (65), farmer, and his wife Barbara (50) are listed with their children: Bartley (20), Bridget (18), Annie (1). Bartley emigrated to the U.S., but what became of the other children? Where were Patrick and Barbara married? When did they die? There is also a Michael McGuire (return # 9), age 30, farmer, with his wife Sarah (25), and their children: Mary (2) and Sarah (1). Can anyone give me information about either of the families? Are they related? How long prior to the 1901 census did Patrick McGuire live a Maumeen? Are there any descendants left in the area? Any and all help appreciated. Lynne in Tucson

Civil registration of all births, marriages, and deaths began in 1864 (Protestant marriages began earlier). The Web site for the General Registry Office, groireland.ie, explains the fees if you go through it. However, you can save some money by finding the entries in the indexes, which have been filmed by the LDS, then asking the GRO to send a copy of the actual registration, based on the information in the index. E-mail me directly if you want more information on this process. Diane

Diane, THanks for the tip... Call me stupid, but where would I find the civil registry? Is it available online? Thanks Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-GALWAY] McHugo's and Ward's in Galway (Parish Duras?) > Kim, since Mary was born after 1863, you should be able to find her birth > in > the civil registry, which will lead you to her parish and the rest of the > family. > > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.7.6/1712 - Release Date: 10/7/2008 > 9:41 AM > >