Hi Jim, Thank you for mentioning this book. I just checked my local library's web site and was surprised to find out I can request that book there. Also, there are at least 6 "used-book-finding web sites" that I know of. I just checked one of them, and the book is available there - for a very reasonable price. Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) (Researching GAVIN and WHALEN / WHELAN families mid-1800's)

Jean, You should get a copy of "The Big Wind" by Beatrice Coogan. It's a historical novel about the period of time beginning with the event of the Big Wind and through the period of the Famine and the Great Land War. Warning, this book is addictive and 684 pages long. It's known as the Irish "Gone with the Wind" as it tells the story through the eyes of a young girl who grows up in this period. Worth the read. Best regards, Jim McNamara > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:46:19 -0000 > From: "brian&jean" <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-GALWAY] big wind > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Does anyone have any info about catholic churches damaged in Galway county > during the night of the big wind 5 Jan 1839, I am told that all the family > history was lost in the church at that time but have no idea where the > church was. Any information would be much appreciated as to where I can > look for this. > Thanks > Jean

I found letters of intent for my great grandparents in basement of Boston City Hall -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Phyllis M. Phillips" <[email protected]> > > > I had somewhere heard that when you married in the States that you > were required to get a letter of intent. To make sure you were not > leaving a husband and children behide. That was given to the church > you were marring in. Has anyone else heard this??? > > And it was sent back to ireland > > On Jan 27, 2009, at 8:53 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Maybe if the bride or groom was Irish and planned to return to > > Ireland, they > > needed or wanted to register it in Ireland? Maybe it was the > > parents' idea, to > > make sure everything was legal in Ireland in the event of their > > return? > > > > Diane > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Brilliant, Cathy, that's got to be the reason. In fact both parties were Irish and he was in the army. They eventually returned to England, but to my knowledge never to Ireland. I'll have to look at the Irish BMD for their children's information, some of whom were born in Ireland. Many thanks for this, JK On 27 Jan 2009, at 14:27, [email protected] wrote: > > In a message dated 27/01/2009 13:25:28 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Can anyone tell me why a marriage taking place in India in 1899 would > appear in the BMD indexes of Ireland? > > > > > The (British) Army Act of 1879 > > Under this Act, all army BMDs that took place outside the United > Kingdom had > to be submitted to the Registrar General (England + Wales) > > Where one person involved was of Irish birth - that data was passed > to the > Irish Registrar General. > > cathy > >

Can anyone tell me why a marriage taking place in India in 1899 would appear in the BMD indexes of Ireland? JK

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Does that happen in the states also??? Phyllis On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:27 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > In a message dated 27/01/2009 13:25:28 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Can anyone tell me why a marriage taking place in India in 1899 would > appear in the BMD indexes of Ireland? > > > > > The (British) Army Act of 1879 > > Under this Act, all army BMDs that took place outside the United > Kingdom had > to be submitted to the Registrar General (England + Wales) > > Where one person involved was of Irish birth - that data was passed > to the > Irish Registrar General. > > cathy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

In a message dated 27/01/2009 13:25:28 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Can anyone tell me why a marriage taking place in India in 1899 would appear in the BMD indexes of Ireland? The (British) Army Act of 1879 Under this Act, all army BMDs that took place outside the United Kingdom had to be submitted to the Registrar General (England + Wales) Where one person involved was of Irish birth - that data was passed to the Irish Registrar General. cathy

oops must proof read or spell check sorry On Jan 27, 2009, at 9:11 AM, Phyllis M. Phillips wrote: > > > I had somewhere heard that when you married in the States that you > were required to get a letter of intent. To make sure you were not > leaving a husband and children behide. That was given to the church > you were marring in. Has anyone else heard this??? > > And it was sent back to ireland > > On Jan 27, 2009, at 8:53 AM, [email protected] wrote: > >> Maybe if the bride or groom was Irish and planned to return to >> Ireland, they >> needed or wanted to register it in Ireland? Maybe it was the >> parents' idea, to >> make sure everything was legal in Ireland in the event of their >> return? >> >> Diane >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

I had somewhere heard that when you married in the States that you were required to get a letter of intent. To make sure you were not leaving a husband and children behide. That was given to the church you were marring in. Has anyone else heard this??? And it was sent back to ireland On Jan 27, 2009, at 8:53 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Maybe if the bride or groom was Irish and planned to return to > Ireland, they > needed or wanted to register it in Ireland? Maybe it was the > parents' idea, to > make sure everything was legal in Ireland in the event of their > return? > > Diane > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Maybe if the bride or groom was Irish and planned to return to Ireland, they needed or wanted to register it in Ireland? Maybe it was the parents' idea, to make sure everything was legal in Ireland in the event of their return? Diane

Does anyone have any info about catholic churches damaged in Galway county during the night of the big wind 5 Jan 1839, I am told that all the family history was lost in the church at that time but have no idea where the church was. Any information would be much appreciated as to where I can look for this. Thanks Jean

In a message dated 1/26/2009 11:46:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: >>Does anyone have any info about catholic churches damage in Galway county during the night of the big wind 5 Jan 1839?<< Jean, A few URLs: _http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/night.html_ (http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlker/night.html) _http://homepage.eircom.net/~oranmoreboys/localhist.htm_ (http://homepage.eircom.net/~oranmoreboys/localhist.htm) _http://members.core.com/~hward/windy.html_ (http://members.core.com/~hward/windy.html) _http://www.lisburn.com/books/dromore-diocese/parish-seagoe.html_ (http://www.lisburn.com/books/dromore-diocese/parish-seagoe.html) destruction of records I'll keep looking. Joan **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1215855013x1201028747/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072%26hmpgID=62%26bcd=De cemailfooterNO62)

I have looked for some newspaper accounts of the "Big Wind". There are all kinds of references to places throughout Ireland, as well as ship wrecks, etc. The only reference I ever find for Galway is: "At Galway, five persons were killed" It's an interesting topic and I will keep "plowing through" the newspapers. Kitty **************From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom00000023)

I did that for you On Jan 26, 2009, at 12:10 PM, Phyllis M. Phillips wrote: > Email the Galway libray > > On Jan 26, 2009, at 11:46 AM, brian&jean wrote: > >> Does anyone have any info about catholic churches damaged in Galway >> county during the night of the big wind 5 Jan 1839, I am told that >> all the family history was lost in the church at that time but have >> no idea where the church was. Any information would be much >> appreciated as to where I can look for this. >> Thanks >> Jean >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Email the Galway libray On Jan 26, 2009, at 11:46 AM, brian&jean wrote: > Does anyone have any info about catholic churches damaged in Galway > county during the night of the big wind 5 Jan 1839, I am told that > all the family history was lost in the church at that time but have > no idea where the church was. Any information would be much > appreciated as to where I can look for this. > Thanks > Jean > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Teri I think the police reports were uncovered when the barracks in Ballyconneely were closed down - can't remember what year. Perhaps the RIC would have details. Remains of the barracks are still there, at the crossroads, behind the Famine memorial. The newspaper report which Synge would have seen was possibly in the Galway Vindicator. Or perhaps he heard it on the grapevine (a vigorous plant out there!) I'm pretty sure it was on a Vindicator microfiche that I first saw it - at the NLI in Dublin. That was several years ago. If you could trace it, you could ask for a printout from the NLI Reprographics Dept., Kildare Street, Dublin 2. They charge 1 euro per page - half price if you go there and do it yourself. (Don't ask them to search!) Maybe the AOH in Pittsburgh can help (Ancient Order of Hibernians.) They clearly know about the murder, and the connection with Playboy of the Western World, and many people from Clifden Union emigrated to Pittsburgh under the assisted passage scheme. Brian In a message dated 1/25/2009 2:23:23 P.M. GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Maire Thanks for the information. If I am lucky they will have something that covers that area. I think the listed members of households went from about 15 to 20. Several different entries varied. Many of these families were interconnected and related. I know that there were other family members not mentioned. It is a very small out of the way place from my understanding. The lack of information very disconcerting at times. My Greens there were kind of odd men out as far as I can tell the family originally English, retired RIC. I think that a few of the other families may have some RIC connections. Church of ENG. The O'Malley's poor Irish Catholic fisherman farmers. I know do not have all of the Greens. Only Three children from 1st Generation- I have only about 7 of 9 from the 2nd Gen. O'Malleys I have only about 5 of their children, being Irish Catholic I am pretty sure that there were more. I am going to try and contact the priest in Ballyconneely where Brian said they would have attended church and see if they can give me some additional information. I will try to come up with the original police report on the incident. Thanks again for your information. Teri ----- Hi Teri What you need to bear in mind that the only people mentioned in Griffiths valuation are the head leaseholders. There could have been many other O'Malley family members who were not listed and some even even sub-letting. There was something called con-acre There are summaries of the 1841-1851 censii available which give you the total number of people living in a townland which is broken down into males and females. It also mentions the numbers of houses. I didn't know T"he Playboy of the Western World" was based on a real story. Very interesting! Maire --- On Wed, 21/1/09, Teri Rehurek <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: From: Teri Rehurek <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: [IRL-GALWAY] Patrick O'Malley-Calla To: "irl-galway" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 7:44 PM Brian Thanks again for your information. I noticed the reference before to the incident but it did not totally register. You have very likely given me a death date for my Patrick O'Malley. I believe that in 1845 Griffiths there were only two Patrick O'Malleys in Calla. One living right next to my William Green I believe was the father of his daughter-law Honor O'Malley-Green. I have a death date of 1871 for William Green and I believe that they were of the same Generation. late 1700's -1800's to 1870's. Though I do not have a William in Patrick O'Malley's children listing. I believe the name was common in the family so there probably was one. Anyway it probably bears further investigation. You say that there were newspaper and police reports on the incident? Would they be hard to get. They might be more informative. I have looked at the Newspapers that are available on line do not remember coming across anything on it. I read the play along time ago and it has been on my reading list because I do not really remember it. Thanks again for all your information. I think I should tell you that on January 28th 1873, Patrick Malley. of Calla was murdered by his own son, William. The police report said that he was hit over the head with a loy (turf spade.) There's a brief reference to it on _http://aoh32.org_ (http://aoh32.org<http://aoh32.org/<http://aoh32.org%3chttp//aoh32.org/>>) The Playboy of the Western World is based on the killing of Patrick Malley of Calla. Synge probably read about it in the local press. William Malley is Christy Mahon in the play, a

Thanks to all who have been offering suggestions for my upcoming trip to London and Galway. I am collecting all the suggestions and will use them to help me make decisions about where to go and how to travel. The website suggestions, too, have helped me gain as much information as possible before the trip. Thank you! Karen

Hi Teri What you need to bear in mind that the only people mentioned in Griffiths valuation are the head leaseholders. There could have been many other O'Malley family members who were not listed and  some even  even sub-letting. There was something called con-acre There are summaries of the 1841-1851 censii available which give you the total number of people living in a townland which is broken down into males and females. It also mentions the numbers of houses. I didn't know T"he Playboy of the Western World" was based on a real story.  Very interesting! Maire --- On Wed, 21/1/09, Teri Rehurek <[email protected]> wrote: From: Teri Rehurek <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-GALWAY] Patrick O'Malley-Calla To: "irl-galway" <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, 21 January, 2009, 7:44 PM Brian Thanks again for your information. I noticed the reference before to the incident but it did not totally register. You have very likely given me a death date for my Patrick O'Malley. I believe that in 1845 Griffiths there were only two Patrick O'Malleys in Calla. One living right next to my William Green I believe was the father of his daughter-law Honor O'Malley-Green. I have a death date of 1871 for William Green and I believe that they were of the same Generation. late 1700's -1800's to 1870's. Though I do not have a William in Patrick O'Malley's children listing. I believe the name was common in the family so there probably was one. Anyway it probably bears further investigation. You say that there were newspaper and police reports on the incident? Would they be hard to get. They might be more informative. I have looked at the Newspapers that are available on line do not remember coming across anything on it. I read the play along time ago and it has been on my reading list because I do not really remember it. Thanks again for all your information. I think I should tell you that on January 28th 1873, Patrick Malley. of Calla was murdered by his own son, William. The police report said that he was hit over the head with a loy (turf spade.) There's a brief reference to it on _http://aoh32.org_ (http://aoh32.org<http://aoh32.org/>) The Playboy of the Western World is based on the killing of Patrick Malley of Calla. Synge probably read about it in the local press. William Malley is Christy Mahon in the play, a ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

also where is the rest of it http://www.galwaytourist.com/towns/ this is a good site for the towns On Jan 25, 2009, at 9:17 AM, Teri Rehurek wrote: > Ballyconneely