Can anyone tell me if there is a listing online giving the LDS film number for civil registers of marriages in Ireland for the years 1860-62? I need to scrutinize those records AGAIN. I was able to find the marriage record in WM for my GrGr.grandparents in 1827 but have been unsuccessful in finding the marriage records of their son, my Gr.Grandfather Thomas L'Estrange and his bride Jane McKeon c1861. I did find a marriage of Jane McKeon listed at COOKSTOWN, vol 4, page 210. But when I looked for a L'ESTRANGE to correspond with that marriage I did not find one. Would that be Cookstown for marriage in Dublin? Or are the 'locations' listed in the BMD index's under the barony names? I 'think' the marriage was in Dublin because there were McKeon's as godparents at a child of Thomas/Jane. Am I asking this clearly? When the register indicates a location I thought that was the BARONY. OR does COOKSTOWN in the civil registration index mean an area of Dublin? (((I'm prepared to learn that Cookstown in the civil registration index means a barony in Ulster or some other unlikely cty. But I'll be so very disapointed. ))) It is also possible that NO registration of their marriage was made as it is prior to the ruling of 1864 requiring civil registration? It's one of the major items I've not been able to find. The other one is the birth/baptism of their firstborn, John L'Estrange, the older brother of my Grandmother.. He played such a significant and poignant role in my Grandmother Elizabeth's life in Boston. He bought and paid for the burial plot in 1886 where her three babies who died so prematurely....all under 2 1/2 yo, are buried. . Sadly, in December of 1898, he was married to the mother of his four children on his deathbed...he died the following day. I suspect they did not marry because of religion. A RC priest in Boston performed the ceremony....probably he was called to give the Last Rites. Their three-month old son, Charles, died one week later. The new bride, Margaret, died 15 months later. I did not find the other children on the 1910 census in Boston with my Grandmother. There are no census records for 1900 Boston. So this a 'hole' I would love to fill.....John deserves this...it tugs at my heart. Any ideas and suggestions are welcome. Janice Boston In a message dated 8/6/2007 7:40:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello Michael, You are probably right. I've used the index films on numerous occasions and have found some pages are damaged and unable to be read and some pages are missing altogether. I don't know whether they are missing from the original books or whether it was the fault of the people doing the filming. Perhaps they took a break and missed a page when they restarted filming. Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael McAllister" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page > Dear Valeris, many thanks for you reply and offer. I am thinking that the > original register may be the one that is damamged and the LDS filmed the > damaged page! Hope not. > Many thanks, Michael > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Valeris Garton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:09 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

The LDS Film No. for the index of marriages in Ireland 1860-1862 is 0101248. I know this because I have already looked at myself; I do not know if there is a listing of index numbers online. There is a Cookstown outside Dublin near the city of Tallaght. There is also a Cookstown somewhere in Northern Ireland. >When the register indicates a location I thought that was the >BARONY.< I can only tell you that it means the Superintendent >Registrar's District, according to some of the marriage certificates >I have in my possession. I thought this was the same thing as the >Poor Law Union. I did not know that it has any reference to barony. >Perhaps a more knowledgeable person can assist in answering this >puzzler. What's WM? Debby Raymond, Queensland, Australia

Hello Janice, Yes, there is a listing online giving the LDS film numbers. You can search the LDS Library Catalogue online at their site:- www.familysearch.org. Marriage records for Protestants began 1845, but marriage records for Catholics only began in 1864. The registration area of Cookstown that is used in the indexes is in Co. Tyrone. Regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s for BMD's > > Can anyone tell me if there is a listing online giving the LDS film number > for civil registers of marriages in Ireland for the years 1860-62? I need > to > scrutinize those records AGAIN. > > I was able to find the marriage record in WM for my GrGr.grandparents in > 1827 but have been unsuccessful in finding the marriage records of their > son, my > Gr.Grandfather Thomas L'Estrange and his bride Jane McKeon c1861. I did > find > a marriage of Jane McKeon listed at COOKSTOWN, vol 4, page 210. But > when I > looked for a L'ESTRANGE to correspond with that marriage I did not find > one. > Would that be Cookstown for marriage in Dublin? Or are the 'locations' > listed in the BMD index's under the barony names? > > I 'think' the marriage was in Dublin because there were McKeon's as > godparents at a child of Thomas/Jane. > > Am I asking this clearly? When the register indicates a location I thought > that was the BARONY. > > OR does COOKSTOWN in the civil registration index mean an area of Dublin? > > (((I'm prepared to learn that Cookstown in the civil registration index > means a barony in Ulster or some other unlikely cty. But I'll be so very > disapointed. ))) It is also possible that NO registration of their > marriage was made > as it is prior to the ruling of 1864 requiring civil registration? > > It's one of the major items I've not been able to find. The other one is > the > birth/baptism of their firstborn, John L'Estrange, the older brother of my > Grandmother.. He played such a significant and poignant role in my > Grandmother > Elizabeth's life in Boston. He bought and paid for the burial plot in > 1886 > where her three babies who died so prematurely....all under 2 1/2 yo, are > buried. . Sadly, in December of 1898, he was married to the mother of his > four > children on his deathbed...he died the following day. I suspect they did > not > marry because of religion. A RC priest in Boston performed the > ceremony....probably he was called to give the Last Rites. Their > three-month old son, > Charles, died one week later. The new bride, Margaret, died 15 months > later. I > did not find the other children on the 1910 census in Boston with my > Grandmother. There are no census records for 1900 Boston. So this a > 'hole' I would love > to fill.....John deserves this...it tugs at my heart. > > Any ideas and suggestions are welcome. > > Janice > Boston

Hello Janice, Further to my last message - If you go to the following site:- http://www.groireland.ie/history.htm you will be able to read the history of registration in Ireland. Regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s for BMD's > > Can anyone tell me if there is a listing online giving the LDS film number > for civil registers of marriages in Ireland for the years 1860-62? I need > to > scrutinize those records AGAIN. > > I was able to find the marriage record in WM for my GrGr.grandparents in > 1827 but have been unsuccessful in finding the marriage records of their > son, my > Gr.Grandfather Thomas L'Estrange and his bride Jane McKeon c1861. I did > find > a marriage of Jane McKeon listed at COOKSTOWN, vol 4, page 210. But > when I > looked for a L'ESTRANGE to correspond with that marriage I did not find > one. > Would that be Cookstown for marriage in Dublin? Or are the 'locations' > listed in the BMD index's under the barony names? > > I 'think' the marriage was in Dublin because there were McKeon's as > godparents at a child of Thomas/Jane. > > Am I asking this clearly? When the register indicates a location I thought > that was the BARONY. > > OR does COOKSTOWN in the civil registration index mean an area of Dublin? > > (((I'm prepared to learn that Cookstown in the civil registration index > means a barony in Ulster or some other unlikely cty. But I'll be so very > disapointed. ))) It is also possible that NO registration of their > marriage was made > as it is prior to the ruling of 1864 requiring civil registration? > > It's one of the major items I've not been able to find. The other one is > the > birth/baptism of their firstborn, John L'Estrange, the older brother of my > Grandmother.. He played such a significant and poignant role in my > Grandmother > Elizabeth's life in Boston. He bought and paid for the burial plot in > 1886 > where her three babies who died so prematurely....all under 2 1/2 yo, are > buried. . Sadly, in December of 1898, he was married to the mother of his > four > children on his deathbed...he died the following day. I suspect they did > not > marry because of religion. A RC priest in Boston performed the > ceremony....probably he was called to give the Last Rites. Their > three-month old son, > Charles, died one week later. The new bride, Margaret, died 15 months > later. I > did not find the other children on the 1910 census in Boston with my > Grandmother. There are no census records for 1900 Boston. So this a > 'hole' I would love > to fill.....John deserves this...it tugs at my heart. > > Any ideas and suggestions are welcome. > > Janice > Boston