Well stranger things have been known to happen My man Denny GARDINER b1719 Stoke Ash spent much of his time in Woolpit about 9 miles from Bury St Edmunds, both he and his wife are buried there Now a few snippets for you Probate Calendars 1874 GARDINER William Stoker 26 January Probate of the will of William Stoker Gardiner late Resident Medical Officer in the Cork Union Workhouse in the City of Cork Surgeon and medical Doctor who died on or about 27 October 1873 at some place granted 9 December 1873 at Cork to Elizabeth Ryder of Toureen terrace Passage West in the County of Cork Widow the sole Executrix Effects in England under £450 Probate Calendars 1899 GARDINER William Stoker of "Terne" Worpole road west Wimbledon Surrey died 20 April 1899 Probate London 15 July to Linda Gardiner spinster Effects £274 6s 3d Probate Calendars 1886 GARDINER Arthur M.D. 21 June The Will of Arthur Gardiner formerley of College square Belfast in Ireland but late of 13 Colville road Bayswater in the County of Middlesex M.D. and Member of the Royal College of Surgeons who died 21 April 1886 at St Thomas' Home Lambeth in the County of Surrey was proved ay the Principal Registery by the Reverend John Samuel Gardiner of Black torrington in the County of Devon Clerk the son the sole Executor Personal Estate £2,070 6s 8d In a Directory there is a Rev John Samuel Jephson GARDINER at Black Torrington Probate Calendars 1907 GARDINER the Reverend John Samuel Jephson of the rectory Black Torrington Devonshire clerk died 6 july 1907 at Warwick house Hurstpierpoint Sussex Probate London 21 August to Clara Jane Gardiner widow Arthur Gardiner M.B. and John Stanley Gardiner dean of Caius college Effects £1672 5s 11d London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921 about Thomas Julian Gardiner Name: Thomas Julian Gardiner Age: Full Age Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882 Spouse Name: Laura Clarke Record Type: Marriage Event Date: 28 Mar 1882 Parish: Paddington St James Borough: Westminster Father Name: Alexander Stoker Gardiner Spouse Father Name: David Clarke Register Type: Parish Register Index to the Prerogative Wills of Ireland 1797 Gardiner Thomas Borris-in-Ossory Queen's co Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/08/2012 22:35, SANDRA GARDINER wrote: > > > > > > Stoke Ash is interesting. > Derek's grandfather was a doctor in Kings Lynn (1 1/2 hr. drive away). > My mother in law was told that there was some historical Gardiner connection to that part of England . What connection I have not a clue. > > In Ireland Derek's great great Grandfather Arthur Stoker Gardiner (b. in Ireland 1818- d. in England 1886) was also a Physician. And unusual for the time he had an MD. His older brother William Stoker Gardiner also had an MD and practiced in Cork. > > Their father's given name was John. Their mother was Elizabeth Stoker. > (There was also an important Irish Doctor in the Stoker family, William Stoker who i believe was Elizabeth's brother.) > The grandfather of John, Thomas and Robert was named Thomas Gardiner from Borris-In-Ossory in Queen's County. > He has a will and appears to have been well-to-do. > > The all certainly were C of I. > We would love to know where Thomas Gardiner from Borris-In-Ossory in Queen's County came from. He most probably had brothers. (???) > So far that is as far as we have gotten. > > Someone taked about an Arthur Gardiner coming over to Ireland with the Earl of Essex in the 1600s. I cannot seem to confirm that.....

Hi again I do not know of an online resource for the licences themselves or even if they still exist Perhaps Christina knows ? My GARDINERs are from Stoke Ash back to the 1600's but were very good at producing daughters so not many males were left, I have lost a William b1758 not sure where he got to but I think the others are accounted for, mine were C of E as far as I can tell, one or two were quite well off, one was a surgeon and chemist , my male line seems to die out towards the end of the 1800's (unless William managed more) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/08/2012 20:16, SANDRA GARDINER wrote: > Nivard, > Our Gardiners left Ireland in the mid-to late 1800s and went to Southern England. > We have traced them bact to the mid 1700 in Ireland. > We believe that they had come from England because they were Anglican but we have not been able to prove that. > Do you have English Gardiners who came to Ireland? > > Oh my other question: > Is there a file on line that I could study re the late 1700s marriage licences? > Sandy

Just a heads up...if anything on the list displeases you, contact me off list and tell me so I can handle it. That is what I am paid for :) Thanks, Christina List admin

In the subject line please put the surname so we don't have to wade through all these emails. Thanks, Carol In a message dated 8/26/2012 11:51:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, chrisnina@gmail.com writes: Sharon, Try http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2719&enc=1 See if that gets you to Dublin records. It is working for me. I did not realize these were online. Or rather that they include the marriage licenses. The film I have includes occupation and town, which might help in some situations, but it only goes to 1800. Christina Sharon Oddie Brown wrote: > Nivard (what a great name - so much more unique than my name), > For the past few years, I have been compiling swats of information on a > range of JACKSONs from Ireland. My hunch is that many are inter-related, > but in many cases, I am still short one generational link. When you > refer to 531 hits on Ancestry, I am curious about which filters you may > have used since 531 is a small enough number that I am not daunted (fool > that I am!). I do have an Ancestry subscription (I finally succumbed), > so I could easily follow up on this. > Thanks, > Sharon > Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: > http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ > On 26/08/2012 1:53 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> Hi Sharon >> >> 531 hits for JACKSON in the Ancestry database >> >> Any specifics you are looking for? >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know of anywhere to see all these online. I found some of the names in RootsIreland http://www.rootsireland.ie/ But I didn't find all I checked. This is to the best of my knowledge. I checked by trying some of the more unusual names in Google to see if they came up. Christina Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi again > > I do not know of an online resource for the licences themselves or even > if they still exist > > Perhaps Christina knows ? >

Thank you I am quite attached to it as well :-) Log in to Ancestry - click on Search from the top menu, select Card Catalogue (last option) Enter Ireland and search , (this will also show the databases with an Irish connection) If you scroll down the list around number 12 is :- Dublin, Ireland, Probate Record and Marriage Licence Index, 1270-1858 Select that and enter your name of interest When searching generally with Ancestry across all databases, use "Old Search" rather than the default "New Search" (which I find a pointless waste of time and effort) When logged into Ancestry select Search from the top menu, on the following page look top right and select "go to Old Search" (unless it is already selected) on the following page enter a tick in the "Exact Matches Only" you are then in control Advanced search gives you various more options Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/08/2012 16:45, Sharon Oddie Brown wrote: > Nivard (what a great name - so much more unique than my name), > For the past few years, I have been compiling swats of information on a > range of JACKSONs from Ireland. My hunch is that many are inter-related, > but in many cases, I am still short one generational link. When you > refer to 531 hits on Ancestry, I am curious about which filters you may > have used since 531 is a small enough number that I am not daunted (fool > that I am!). I do have an Ancestry subscription (I finally succumbed), > so I could easily follow up on this. > Thanks, > Sharon > Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project:

> Hi Christina Wondered if you would mind looking for a marriage for me Robert Turner to Bridget Clarke about 1820 and also Charles Clarke to Abigail Ives sometime between 1820 and 1841 also William Clarke to Margaret McCarthy probably about 1800 Thanks for the kind offer Regards Wendy king-Turner> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Sharon, Thanks for sharing this link, it's wonderful, fancy being able to read about the weather in the 1700s. Regards Marion Sydney Aust Sent from Marion's IPad On 26/08/2012, at 2:25 AM, Sharon Oddie Brown <sharonoddiebrown@gmail.com> wrote: > This 18th century manuscript is the meticulous record by an early Dublin > meteorologist, who documented the weather in the city on a daily basis > during the period 1716 to 1734. The manuscript is part of the Gilbert > Collection and is held in the Special Collections of Dublin City Public > Libraries > <http://www.dublincity.ie/RecreationandCulture/libraries/Heritage%20and%20History/Collections/Pages/index.aspx>. > Until recently it was not known who the author of the work was, but > thanks to the research of historian Alan Smyth the diarist has now been > identified as Isaac Butler (c1691 -- 1755) > > http://www.dublincitypubliclibraries.com/story/diary-weather-and-winds > -- > Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: > http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stoke Ash is interesting. Derek's grandfather was a doctor in Kings Lynn (1 1/2 hr. drive away). My mother in law was told that there was some historical Gardiner connection to that part of England . What connection I have not a clue.   In Ireland Derek's great great Grandfather Arthur Stoker Gardiner (b. in Ireland 1818- d. in England 1886)  was also a Physician. And unusual for the time he had an MD. His older brother William Stoker Gardiner also had an MD and practiced in Cork. Their father's given name was John. Their mother was Elizabeth Stoker. (There was also an important Irish Doctor in the Stoker family, William Stoker who i believe was Elizabeth's brother.) The grandfather of John, Thomas and Robert was named Thomas Gardiner from Borris-In-Ossory in Queen's County. He has a will and appears to have been well-to-do.   The all certainly were C of I. We would love to know where Thomas Gardiner from Borris-In-Ossory in Queen's County came from. He most probably had brothers. (???) So far that is as far as we have gotten.    Someone taked about an Arthur Gardiner coming over to Ireland with the Earl of Essex in the 1600s. I cannot seem to confirm that.....    So Ninard if this helps great! If anyone else has any ideas please speak up. --- On Sun, 8/26/12, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [DUBLIN-CITY] Marriage licenses To: irl-dublin-city@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, August 26, 2012, 3:46 PM Hi again I do not know of an online resource for the licences themselves or even if they still exist Perhaps Christina knows ? My GARDINERs are from Stoke Ash back to  the 1600's but were very good at producing daughters so not many males were left, I have lost a William b1758 not sure where he got to but I think the others are accounted for, mine were C of E as far as I can tell, one or two were quite well off, one was a surgeon and chemist , my male line seems to die out towards the end of the 1800's (unless William managed more) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/08/2012 20:16, SANDRA GARDINER wrote: > Nivard, > Our Gardiners left Ireland in the mid-to late 1800s and went to Southern England. > We have traced them bact to the mid 1700 in Ireland. > We believe that they had come from England because they were Anglican but we have not been able to prove that. > Do you have English Gardiners who came to Ireland? > > Oh my other question: > Is there a file on line that I could study re the late 1700s marriage licences? > Sandy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sandra If you mean a John GARDINER to an Elizabeth STOKER then no its not listed However this is just an index to marriages where a licence was applied for and not the marriages themselves Detail amounts to names and a year but can be a great help in determining when and if they married I have GARDINERs myself but some way off in Suffolk Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/08/2012 13:49, SANDRA GARDINER wrote: > WOW > Thank you. > Is there a file on line that I could study? > One of the most interesting for me would be the wedding of John Gardiner and Elizabeth Stoker. > Sandy

Hi Sandy There are 140 hits for GARD*NER If you have a specific I can check again Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/08/2012 13:40, SANDRA GARDINER wrote: > Christina, > Thank you. > Do you see any Gardiners? > Sandy

Nivard, Our Gardiners left Ireland in the mid-to late 1800s and went to Southern England. We have traced them bact to the mid 1700 in Ireland. We believe that they had come from England because they were Anglican but we have not been able to prove that. Do you have English Gardiners who came to Ireland?   Oh my other question: Is there a file on line that I could study re the late 1700s marriage licences? Sandy --- On Sun, 8/26/12, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [DUBLIN-CITY] Marriage licenses To: irl-dublin-city@rootsweb.com Date: Sunday, August 26, 2012, 8:58 AM Hi Sandra If you mean a John GARDINER to an Elizabeth STOKER then no its not listed However this is just an index to marriages where a licence was applied for and not the marriages themselves Detail amounts to names and a year but can be a great help in determining when and if they married I have GARDINERs myself but some way off in Suffolk Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/08/2012 13:49, SANDRA GARDINER wrote: > WOW > Thank you. > Is there a file on line that I could study? > One of the most interesting for me would be the wedding of John Gardiner and Elizabeth Stoker. > Sandy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sharon, Try http://search.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=2719&enc=1 See if that gets you to Dublin records. It is working for me. I did not realize these were online. Or rather that they include the marriage licenses. The film I have includes occupation and town, which might help in some situations, but it only goes to 1800. Christina Sharon Oddie Brown wrote: > Nivard (what a great name - so much more unique than my name), > For the past few years, I have been compiling swats of information on a > range of JACKSONs from Ireland. My hunch is that many are inter-related, > but in many cases, I am still short one generational link. When you > refer to 531 hits on Ancestry, I am curious about which filters you may > have used since 531 is a small enough number that I am not daunted (fool > that I am!). I do have an Ancestry subscription (I finally succumbed), > so I could easily follow up on this. > Thanks, > Sharon > Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: > http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ > On 26/08/2012 1:53 AM, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> Hi Sharon >> >> 531 hits for JACKSON in the Ancestry database >> >> Any specifics you are looking for? >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thankitional text.End of IRL-DUBLIN-CITY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 141*********************************************** you, that's great. Yes, that marriage is my family; I had that, but am trying to work backwards from them. I appreciate the news and will search on my friend's ancestry account. Carla Message: 2 Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 09:45:45 +0100 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [DUBLIN-CITY] IRL-DUBLIN-CITY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 139 To: irl-dublin-city@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5039E239.5050306@sky.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Hi Carla In the database on Ancestry I mentioned to Christina there are 544 hits for BYRN* spread across all years covered Including Dublin, Ireland, Probate Record and Marriage Licence Index, 1270-1858 about Mary Shean Name: Mary Shean Spouse: Henry Byrne Document Year: 1816 Record Type: Marriage Licence The hits may have two entries each (one for each party) so will be for roughly 272 events SHEAN gets 13 hits including the above Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/08/2012 05:46, Carlahs wrote: > Christina, Would you mind looking up any Byrns, Byrnes, Byrne in that record? I'm also interested in the Sheans. St. Peter's is the COI church I know they were associated with; don't know if there were others. > > Thanks, > > Carla Southwick ------------------------------

Thanks Richard. Mary Anne

Hi Sharon 531 hits for JACKSON in the Ancestry database Any specifics you are looking for? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Sharon Oddie Brown wrote: >> Christina, >> I would be interested in JACKSONs, if you can spare the time. >> Thanks, >> Sharon

Hi Mary Ann 55 hits for HANLON in the Ancestry database but no Marc* or Mark* Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/08/2012 06:07, gothic@acd.net wrote: > Christina, > > Could I trouble you to check for a Mark (or Marcus) Hanlon and spouse Ann? > > Mary Anne Hanlon Smith

Hi Carla In the database on Ancestry I mentioned to Christina there are 544 hits for BYRN* spread across all years covered Including Dublin, Ireland, Probate Record and Marriage Licence Index, 1270-1858 about Mary Shean Name: Mary Shean Spouse: Henry Byrne Document Year: 1816 Record Type: Marriage Licence The hits may have two entries each (one for each party) so will be for roughly 272 events SHEAN gets 13 hits including the above Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/08/2012 05:46, Carlahs wrote: > Christina, Would you mind looking up any Byrns, Byrnes, Byrne in that record? I'm also interested in the Sheans. St. Peter's is the COI church I know they were associated with; don't know if there were others. > > Thanks, > > Carla Southwick

Hi Christina Not wishing to steal your thunder but if I can help at all ? Is this the same data as found on Ancestry ? ================== Ancestry.com. Dublin, Ireland, Probate Record and Marriage Licence Index, 1270-1858 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011. Original data: Reports of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records and Keeper of the State Papers in Ireland. Dublin, Ireland: Alexander Thom & Co. (Limited), 1895–1899. About Dublin, Ireland, Probate Record and Marriage Licence Index, 1270-1858 This database contains details extracted primarily from Irish probate records. Historical Background The vast majority of records in this database are index entries extracted from wills, letters of administration, acts of probate, marriage licenses, and other records within the Diocese of Dublin. These indexes were included as appendices to two volumes (the 26th and the 30th) of the Reports of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records and Keeper of the State Papers in Ireland. These appendices were titled Index to the Act or Grant Books, and to Original Wills, of the Diocese of Dublin to the year 1800. An Index to the Act or Grant Books and Original Wills of the Diocese of Dublin from 1800 to 1858. A note accompanying the second explains that “the following Index is a continuation of that published as an Appendix to the Twenty-sixth Report of the Deputy Keeper, which extended to the end of the year 1799. The present one reaches to the 9th January, 1858, after which date the testamentary jurisdiction of the Consistorial Court of the Diocese was transferred to the Court of Probate.” ================= I see the CLARKE to BYNON marriage in 1794 is included The earliest I found was 1609 and latest 1858 for licences I checked for the Robert TURNER to Bridget CLARKE & Charles CLARKE to Abigail IVES & William CLARKE to Margaret MCCARTHY but none found Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/08/2012 05:23, Christina Hunt wrote: > Wendy, > What I have on hand is only 1789-1794. The film only goes up to 1800. I will > check it next time I go. > There is one William Clarke married to a widow: > CLARKE, Wm of Dublin & Mary BYNON of St. Michan, widow, 24 Jany. 1794. > > Regards, > Christina > > wmkingturner@actrix.co.nz wrote: >>> Hi Christina >> Wondered if you would mind looking for a marriage for me Robert Turner to >> Bridget Clarke about 1820 and also >> Charles Clarke to Abigail Ives sometime between 1820 and 1841 also William >> Clarke to Margaret McCarthy probably about 1800 >> >> Thanks for the kind offer >> Regards >> Wendy king-Turner>

Sorry. Surname lookups are too large. I can look up a first and last name though. Christina > Christina, Would you mind looking up any Byrns, Byrnes, Byrne in that record? I'm also interested in the Sheans. St. Peter's is the COI church I know they were associated with; don't know if there were others. > > Thanks, > > Carla Southwick