Subject: IRL-DUBLIN-CITY Digest, Vol 7, Issue 180 Today's Topics: 1. St Paul's Parish Dublin (Jennette Gest) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Jennette If you 'google' <<St Paul's Arran Quay, Dublin>> you will find a great deal of info about St Paul's. It is one of the three 3 RC parishes on Dublin's North Side (of the Liffey) in the early 19th century. Putting the search term into 'Google Maps' will show you its location and if you then go to 'Street view' you will see a photograph of it and its surroundings. The record of the baptism of John William and his twin Laurence at St Paul's is on Roots Ireland here http://www.rootsireland.ie/ . As far as I am aware, Roots Ireland currently don't have scans of any Parish Registers although there have been rumours that some of the heritage sites in the North of Ireland may be about to offer a service to do this - no indication of cost. However, the National Library of Ireland (NLI) have copies of the registers for St Pauls - not sure if you can see copies of the register in Oz. The NLI recently published a tender to digitise, index and place on line a number of items of genealogical interest they hold including the parish registers (on microfilm) and some newspapers. As far as I know the actual registers for St Paul's are now at St Michan's (RC), not C of I, a call to them might be worthwhile this is their web site. http://www.churchandhalston.irishcapuchins.com/index.html Good luck Stuart

Hi Jeff Thanks for yours re Glasnevin Cemetery and your Archbolds. There could very well be headstones which may record the names of others buried in that grave. In order for me to find the grave/s you would have to get the Grave Number/s for me and I could put them on my list of things to do! It might be a while before I get there as it is now winter here in Ireland, and not the best of weather. Also I don't live close to Glasnevin - I live about 10 miles away on the other side of Dublin City If the grave wasn't purchased by the Archbold family then the grave would be considered a Public Grave and others could be buried there. In this case no headstone could be erected (I am going by the rules and regulations for Deansgrange which is also a large Co.Dublin cemetery). People who just couldn't afford to buy a grave more or less had to go for the latter option, and just pay for the actual burial. I took a photo at Glasnevin for a MARY ARCHBOLD buried 1859 wife of RICHARD - just mentioning this in case it might be connected to your family. The photo and details can be found on IGP Archives. If you want to search and find, go to http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/markers.htm and search for "Archbold". Hope this helps. Joyce > > While looking at the Glasnevin Trust site I find that two or three of my > relatives are buried there Oliver Archbold 1892, Maria Archbold 1896 and > Christopher Archbold 1896. Would there be any grave stones still standing > for them? Also in two cases it states that other people are buried in the > same grave and may not be related is this normal practise. > > Jeff >

Maggie, Do you have any idea where a Catholic living at Arran's Quay, might have been buried? Just curious. :) Christina Margaret Doyle wrote: > Hi, St. Pauls RC is at Arran Quay. (closed) St. Pauls coi is at Paul street. ( near Smithfield) ( closed). St. Michans RC is in Halston street . (open) St. Michans coi is in Church street. (visiting hrs=office hrs). They're all within walking distance as is Bolton street. > Maggie >

Hi List I found my great great grandmother's brother had gone into the army when he was 14 on the 21 dec 1891, Essex regt on the record it has the parish of St Paul's. He was (C) John William Power born 24 Nov 1877 but became William John Power. He had a twin Laurence Power born the 25 Nov 1877 he died when he was 4 down in Waterford. They were born at the female military hospital. Does anybody know where this hospital was? His father was living 31 Bolton St Dublin on William's army record, he also was in the Army. Also the Parish of St Paul's where was this parish? was this near the military hospital, does this have a RC church that was also called St Paul or what would the RC church be called in that area. I would like to find their christening the parents are Joseph POWER & Winifred CROFTON. I have found 2 children to them on the Irish site one been my great mother Agnes Erin Power at St Michan's Church RC born 26 Jan 1887(C) 2 Feb. 1887. They had about 8 or 9 children. http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ does anybody know when the images of some of these records will go online please, as i did think it was going to be last year and it didn't happen then. Thanks for any help on my questions. Jennette

Here is the current listing of RC parishes whose records are posted http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/about/Dublin%20%28RC%29.pdf ________________________________ From: Jennette Gest <jgest@tpg.com.au> To: IRL-DUBLIN-CITY@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 4:31 PM Subject: [DUBLIN-CITY] St Paul's Parish Dublin Hi List I found my great great grandmother's brother had gone into the army when he was 14 on the 21 dec 1891, Essex regt on the record it has the parish of St Paul's. He was (C) John William Power born 24 Nov 1877 but became William John Power. He had a twin Laurence Power born the 25 Nov 1877 he died when he was 4 down in Waterford. They were born at the female military hospital. Does anybody know where this hospital was? His father was living 31 Bolton St Dublin on William's army record, he also was in the Army. Also the Parish of St Paul's where was this parish? was this near the military hospital, does this have a RC church that was also called St Paul or what would the RC church be called in that area. I would like to find their christening the parents are Joseph POWER & Winifred CROFTON. I have found 2 children to them on the Irish site one been my great mother Agnes Erin Power at St Michan's Church RC born 26 Jan 1887(C) 2 Feb. 1887. They had about 8 or 9 children. http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/ does anybody know when the images of some of these records will go online please, as i did think it was going to be last year and it didn't happen then. Thanks for any help on my questions. Jennette ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maggie I really don't have the answers to your thoughts, but will see what I can have confirmed next time I am at the Cemetery. I have never heard of an old cemetery being built on - that doesn't mean it didn't happen. What dates/details are on those old grave papers that you hold? In the meantime, I found that Glasnevin Cemetery was extablished in 1832, See - http://www.glasnevintrust.ie/glasnevin/ and I also found this paragraph regarding the history of Glasnevin. "Glasnevin Cemetery was consecrated and opened to the public for the first time on 21 February 1832. The first burial, that of four year old Michael Casey from Francis Street in Dublin, took place on the following day in a section of the cemetery known as Curran's Square. The cemetery was initially known as Prospect Cemetery, a name chosen from the townland of Prospect, which surrounded the cemetery lands. Originally covering nine acres of ground, the area of the cemetery has now grown to approximately 124 acres. This includes its expansion on the southern side of the Finglas Road with the section called St. Paul's. The option of cremation has been provided since March 1982". It doesn't appear to have had any other area known as Prospect or Glasnevin Cemetery prior to opening in 1832. Joyce Hi Joyce, I have some old parchments/gravepapers from Prospect cemetary. My Granmother told me these papers refer to the 1st Prospect cemetary, now a housing estate opposite the newer large cemetary that we call Glassnevin (officially prospect). I'm not familiar at all with the Glassnevin area so am only going by what I was told as a child. Later my Father told me they were building houses + a green area on the site of the old prospect cemetary. Could there have been two sections opp the new cemetary, one pre 1830 and one built later on? Thanks for any input Joyce. Maggie

Hi Joyce, I have some old parchments/gravepapers from Prospect cemetary. My Granmother told me these papers refer to the 1st Prospect cemetary, now a housing estate opposite the newer large cemetary that we call Glassnevin (officially prospect). I'm not familiar at all with the Glassnevin area so am only going by what I was told as a child. Later my Father told me they were building houses + a green area on the site of the old prospect cemetary. Could there have been two sections opp the new cemetary, one pre 1830 and one built later on? Thanks for any input Joyce. Maggie On 27 Nov 2012, at 12:23, "Joyce" <joytun@utvinternet.com> wrote: Hi Maggie I am just "chipping in" here so that there isn't any confusion caused by my previous note to the List. The official name of Glasnevin Cemetery is "Prospect Cemetery", i.e. the entire cemetery. The part where your folk are buried is an extension of the cemetery and that part/section, as far as I know, is called "St.Pauls". There are other names for the various sections in the main cemetery. At the top of all the Text files for Glasnevin Headstones on IGP Archives, we have stated that the official name of the Cemetery is Prospect Cemetery, but of course, more widely known as Glasnevin Cemetery. Joyce Hi, the cemetary opposite Glassnevin is called Prospect cemetary. It's closed now. My own relatives are buried there. Maggie

Thanks for the clarification Joyce :) ________________________________ From: Joyce <joytun@utvinternet.com> To: Margaret Doyle <johnmaggie11@yahoo.co.uk>; irl-dublin-city@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012, 12:23 Subject: Re: [DUBLIN-CITY] Re cemetary opposite Glassnevin Hi Maggie I am just "chipping in" here so that there isn't any confusion caused by my previous note to the List.  The official name of Glasnevin Cemetery is "Prospect Cemetery", i.e. the entire cemetery.  The part where your folk are buried is an extension of the cemetery and that part/section, as far as I know, is called "St.Pauls".  There are other names for the various sections in the main cemetery. At the top of all the Text files for Glasnevin Headstones on IGP Archives, we have stated that the official name of the Cemetery is Prospect Cemetery, but of course, more widely known as Glasnevin Cemetery. Joyce > Hi, the cemetary opposite Glassnevin is called Prospect cemetary. It's > closed now. My own relatives are buried there. > Maggie > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maggie Thank you very much. Regards Sue ________________________________ From: Margaret Doyle <johnmaggie11@yahoo.co.uk> To: irl-dublin-city@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2012, 11:58 Subject: [DUBLIN-CITY] Re cemetary opposite Glassnevin Hi, the cemetary opposite Glassnevin is called Prospect cemetary. It's closed now. My own relatives are buried there. Maggie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maggie I am just "chipping in" here so that there isn't any confusion caused by my previous note to the List. The official name of Glasnevin Cemetery is "Prospect Cemetery", i.e. the entire cemetery. The part where your folk are buried is an extension of the cemetery and that part/section, as far as I know, is called "St.Pauls". There are other names for the various sections in the main cemetery. At the top of all the Text files for Glasnevin Headstones on IGP Archives, we have stated that the official name of the Cemetery is Prospect Cemetery, but of course, more widely known as Glasnevin Cemetery. Joyce > Hi, the cemetary opposite Glassnevin is called Prospect cemetary. It's > closed now. My own relatives are buried there. > Maggie >

Hi, the cemetary opposite Glassnevin is called Prospect cemetary. It's closed now. My own relatives are buried there. Maggie

Might there be a kind soul on this list who might be familiar with this church who could give ma a little history of this section of Dublin and the date when this church began? I don't know if I am searching the right parish, but I was pointed in this direction from some other family member who is also doing research on this elusive family. Looking for a FARNAN/FARNHAM family who would have had their children baptized at St. James in the 1800-1811 time period. Father is CORNELIUS FARNAN (born 1776) and mother is MARCELLA KEEFE. I also have a Reverend JOHN FARNAN was ordained by Bishop Troy at St. Mary's Cathedral in 1812 and may be related to CORNELIUS/akaNEAL. The priest was born about 1788. I have written to all the seminaries in Ireland who would have been around at the time and none could find a record of this priest, so they are indicating that he may have gone to seminary in Rome. But he was one of the first priests who was recruited to come to New York to serve the Catholics of New York City. I suspect that CORNELIUS and REV. JOHN FARNAN are related because I find them both in western New York in 1829. Very early, so not many records around to search. The parish is my only hope. Can anyone help me with info on how to get baptismal records from this church? I have the names if someone can research them at the church. Thank you so much for your help!! Marie

Marie - One of the best online sources is http://irishgenealogy.ie. Go to the tab for church records and fill out the search box. This site has many of the church records until the early 20th century. My experience has been that the individual parishes may want to assist but are understaffed and overwhelmed with the volume of requests. I visited what I believe to be my great grandfather's parish in Dublin earlier this fall. The pastor said they would check their records but it would take several months and not to expect hear anything until sometime in 2013 or later.  I found on the Irish genealogy site that a Joannes (John) Farnan, son of Cornelius Farnan and Maragret Keefe, was baptized 17 July 1811 at St. James Catholic Church, Dublin. There are many other links to the Farnan  and Farnham names there. The Church is located on James's Street, Dublin 8 near Kilmainham Gaol. Good luck! Jim ________________________________ From: Marie Poinan <mariepoinan@gmail.com> To: IRL-DUBLIN-CITY@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:54 AM Subject: [DUBLIN-CITY] St. James RC church baptisms Might there be a kind soul on this list who might be familiar with this church who could give ma a little history of this section of Dublin and the date when this church began? I don't know if I am searching the right parish, but I was pointed in this direction from some other family member who is also doing research on this elusive family. Looking for a FARNAN/FARNHAM family who would have had their children baptized at St. James in the 1800-1811 time period. Father is CORNELIUS FARNAN (born 1776) and mother is MARCELLA KEEFE. I also have a Reverend JOHN FARNAN was ordained by Bishop Troy at St. Mary's Cathedral in 1812 and may be related to CORNELIUS/akaNEAL. The priest was born about 1788. I have written to all the seminaries in Ireland who would have been around at the time and none could find a record of this priest, so they are indicating that he may have gone to seminary in Rome. But he was one of the first priests who was recruited to come to New York to serve the Catholics of New York City. I suspect that CORNELIUS and REV. JOHN FARNAN are related because I find them both in western New York in 1829. Very early, so not many records around to search. The parish is my only hope. Can anyone help me with info on how to get baptismal records from this church? I have the names if someone can research them at the church. Thank you so much for your help!! Marie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks very much Christina I will bookmark it Regards Sue ________________________________ From: Christina Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> To: irl-dublin-city@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012, 16:25 Subject: Re: [DUBLIN-CITY] New to IGP Archives Sue, There is a search box which will search all the Dublin headstones if that helps. It's at the top of the Dublin Headstones page. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/markers.htm Good luck! Christina Joyce wrote: > Before I search through all these wonderful photos, can you clarify whether > the cemetery across the road from the main Glasnevin is included here. > Forgive me I live in the UK and only know that my family are buried in a > plot across the road. Is it named something different? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Sue All the photos we have todate are from the Main Cemetery at Glasnevin. I know the area to which you refer, but couldn't think of the name, so found this on Wikipedia - The cemetery is located in Glasnevin, Dublin, in two parts. The main part, with its trademark high walls and watchtowers, is located on one side of the road from Finglas to the city centre, while the other part, "St. Paul's," is located across the road and beyond a green space, between two railway lines. Hope this helps Joyce Before I search through all these wonderful photos, can you clarify whether the cemetery across the road from the main Glasnevin is included here. Forgive me I live in the UK and only know that my family are buried in a plot across the road. Is it named something different?

Hi Before I search through all these wonderful photos, can you clarify whether the cemetery across the road from the main Glasnevin is included here.  Forgive me I live in the UK and only know that my family are buried in a plot across the road.  Is it named something different? Thanks for any advice. Sue ________________________________ From: Joyce <joytun@utvinternet.com> To: irl-dublin-city@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012, 15:31 Subject: [DUBLIN-CITY] New to IGP Archives 150 Headstones for Glasnevin Cemetery (Part 12) and 150 Headstones for St.Fintan's Section at Deansgrange Cemetery (Part 4), which I contributed, have been added to IGP Archives. In order to view these go to http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/markers.htm and then click on the cemetery records that you wish to view.  As usual there are separate files for the photos and for the inscriptions. Enjoy! Joyce Tunstead http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

150 Headstones for Glasnevin Cemetery (Part 12) and 150 Headstones for St.Fintan's Section at Deansgrange Cemetery (Part 4), which I contributed, have been added to IGP Archives. In order to view these go to http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/markers.htm and then click on the cemetery records that you wish to view. As usual there are separate files for the photos and for the inscriptions. Enjoy! Joyce Tunstead http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/

Sue, There is a search box which will search all the Dublin headstones if that helps. It's at the top of the Dublin Headstones page. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/markers.htm Good luck! Christina Joyce wrote: > Before I search through all these wonderful photos, can you clarify whether > the cemetery across the road from the main Glasnevin is included here. > Forgive me I live in the UK and only know that my family are buried in a > plot across the road. Is it named something different?

yes looks very good ________________________________ From: Christina Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> To: irl-dublin-city@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 26 November 2012 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [DUBLIN-CITY] test.... Yes...looks fine. Christina user917826@aol.com wrote: > Hi... > > I have to ask if this is coming through as plain text?  If not, I will need to correct it. > > > Thanks, > > Bev W > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-CITY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes...looks fine. Christina user917826@aol.com wrote: > Hi... > > I have to ask if this is coming through as plain text? If not, I will need to correct it. > > > Thanks, > > Bev W >