Hello Janice, Yes, there is a listing online giving the LDS film numbers. You can search the LDS Library Catalogue online at their site:- www.familysearch.org. Marriage records for Protestants began 1845, but marriage records for Catholics only began in 1864. The registration area of Cookstown that is used in the indexes is in Co. Tyrone. Regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s for BMD's > > Can anyone tell me if there is a listing online giving the LDS film number > for civil registers of marriages in Ireland for the years 1860-62? I need > to > scrutinize those records AGAIN. > > I was able to find the marriage record in WM for my GrGr.grandparents in > 1827 but have been unsuccessful in finding the marriage records of their > son, my > Gr.Grandfather Thomas L'Estrange and his bride Jane McKeon c1861. I did > find > a marriage of Jane McKeon listed at COOKSTOWN, vol 4, page 210. But > when I > looked for a L'ESTRANGE to correspond with that marriage I did not find > one. > Would that be Cookstown for marriage in Dublin? Or are the 'locations' > listed in the BMD index's under the barony names? > > I 'think' the marriage was in Dublin because there were McKeon's as > godparents at a child of Thomas/Jane. > > Am I asking this clearly? When the register indicates a location I thought > that was the BARONY. > > OR does COOKSTOWN in the civil registration index mean an area of Dublin? > > (((I'm prepared to learn that Cookstown in the civil registration index > means a barony in Ulster or some other unlikely cty. But I'll be so very > disapointed. ))) It is also possible that NO registration of their > marriage was made > as it is prior to the ruling of 1864 requiring civil registration? > > It's one of the major items I've not been able to find. The other one is > the > birth/baptism of their firstborn, John L'Estrange, the older brother of my > Grandmother.. He played such a significant and poignant role in my > Grandmother > Elizabeth's life in Boston. He bought and paid for the burial plot in > 1886 > where her three babies who died so prematurely....all under 2 1/2 yo, are > buried. . Sadly, in December of 1898, he was married to the mother of his > four > children on his deathbed...he died the following day. I suspect they did > not > marry because of religion. A RC priest in Boston performed the > ceremony....probably he was called to give the Last Rites. Their > three-month old son, > Charles, died one week later. The new bride, Margaret, died 15 months > later. I > did not find the other children on the 1910 census in Boston with my > Grandmother. There are no census records for 1900 Boston. So this a > 'hole' I would love > to fill.....John deserves this...it tugs at my heart. > > Any ideas and suggestions are welcome. > > Janice > Boston

The LDS Film No. for the index of marriages in Ireland 1860-1862 is 0101248. I know this because I have already looked at myself; I do not know if there is a listing of index numbers online. There is a Cookstown outside Dublin near the city of Tallaght. There is also a Cookstown somewhere in Northern Ireland. >When the register indicates a location I thought that was the >BARONY.< I can only tell you that it means the Superintendent >Registrar's District, according to some of the marriage certificates >I have in my possession. I thought this was the same thing as the >Poor Law Union. I did not know that it has any reference to barony. >Perhaps a more knowledgeable person can assist in answering this >puzzler. What's WM? Debby Raymond, Queensland, Australia

I wonder if anyone has information on the marriage of James Dwyer & Margaret Delaney probably somewhere around 1848 or so? The first child I have for them is Annie Dwyer born 1850. Anything would be greatly appreciated. Best Wishes, Carol ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Can anyone tell me if there is a listing online giving the LDS film number for civil registers of marriages in Ireland for the years 1860-62? I need to scrutinize those records AGAIN. I was able to find the marriage record in WM for my GrGr.grandparents in 1827 but have been unsuccessful in finding the marriage records of their son, my Gr.Grandfather Thomas L'Estrange and his bride Jane McKeon c1861. I did find a marriage of Jane McKeon listed at COOKSTOWN, vol 4, page 210. But when I looked for a L'ESTRANGE to correspond with that marriage I did not find one. Would that be Cookstown for marriage in Dublin? Or are the 'locations' listed in the BMD index's under the barony names? I 'think' the marriage was in Dublin because there were McKeon's as godparents at a child of Thomas/Jane. Am I asking this clearly? When the register indicates a location I thought that was the BARONY. OR does COOKSTOWN in the civil registration index mean an area of Dublin? (((I'm prepared to learn that Cookstown in the civil registration index means a barony in Ulster or some other unlikely cty. But I'll be so very disapointed. ))) It is also possible that NO registration of their marriage was made as it is prior to the ruling of 1864 requiring civil registration? It's one of the major items I've not been able to find. The other one is the birth/baptism of their firstborn, John L'Estrange, the older brother of my Grandmother.. He played such a significant and poignant role in my Grandmother Elizabeth's life in Boston. He bought and paid for the burial plot in 1886 where her three babies who died so prematurely....all under 2 1/2 yo, are buried. . Sadly, in December of 1898, he was married to the mother of his four children on his deathbed...he died the following day. I suspect they did not marry because of religion. A RC priest in Boston performed the ceremony....probably he was called to give the Last Rites. Their three-month old son, Charles, died one week later. The new bride, Margaret, died 15 months later. I did not find the other children on the 1910 census in Boston with my Grandmother. There are no census records for 1900 Boston. So this a 'hole' I would love to fill.....John deserves this...it tugs at my heart. Any ideas and suggestions are welcome. Janice Boston In a message dated 8/6/2007 7:40:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello Michael, You are probably right. I've used the index films on numerous occasions and have found some pages are damaged and unable to be read and some pages are missing altogether. I don't know whether they are missing from the original books or whether it was the fault of the people doing the filming. Perhaps they took a break and missed a page when they restarted filming. Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael McAllister" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page > Dear Valeris, many thanks for you reply and offer. I am thinking that the > original register may be the one that is damamged and the LDS filmed the > damaged page! Hope not. > Many thanks, Michael > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Valeris Garton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:09 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

New this week in the Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives: In the 1810 Directory (merchants) we have added P, Q, R, & S. Under Church Records: St. Michan's (Church of Ireland) Parish Register Burials 1700-1715 (We will be adding more burials and some baptisms for St. Annes) >> Need a transcriber for St. Anne's << To view: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlarchive/ Click on DUBLIN and Directory or Church or others. Thanks to our directory transcribers for all there work to get this resource online. I really appreciate their dedication. We love to hear success stories, so if you find someone let me know. We usually only get feedback if someone has a further question. Thanks, Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives

I have photocopied the entries which are not perfect but readable. M'ALISTER 12 entries M"ALLISTER 14 entries LDS Film No: 101068 Births 1900-1901 3rd 1/4 Let me know who you are interested in by name of place ? Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford - please ??????? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael McAllister Sent: Monday, 6 August 2007 9:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page Dear Valeris, many thanks for you reply and offer. I am thinking that the original register may be the one that is damamged and the LDS filmed the damaged page! Hope not. Many thanks, Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valeris Garton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page >I will have a look for you this week. > > Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. > Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & > Wexford - please ??????? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael > McAllister > Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2007 12:49 AM > To: Dublin City List; Belfast List > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page > > > Hi List, I wonder if someone, somewhere would check a page of the > Civil Registers for me please. The copy I viewed through an LDS FHC at > nearby Sutton Coldfield was a little torn and wonder if all the > original was torn as well ! > > The page is from the Births section of the third quarter from 1900, > bottom left hand side of the page number 40, name > McALISTER/McALLISTER. > > If someone has an undamaged page would/could they copy or transcibe > the section of the page for me please? It would hep me possibly track > down some family members (hopefully). In anticipation, many thanks. > Michael McAllister > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Al, I took your advice and visited the FHC this rainy day and looked in the film for 1845 marriages under female Creighton and guess what!! Found a match with my Richard Williams in 1847. Her name is Geraldine O'Moore Creighton. It jumped right out at me because their first born daughter was Irene Geraldine. Thanks for the suggestion and encouragement. This list group is positively inspiring. Cheers, Judy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Al Valentine Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] The Creighton Connection Hi Judy, I can only offer this based on my experience doing something similar. It's not as difficult as you might imagine as when you have a match, the year, quarter in needed, volume and page match. You might just try to list the Creighton female entries, being fewer in number and then scan the male Williams surname entries. It you find a match, yell BINGO. That would be a marriage between the two. Well worth checking from 1845 on, only problem is 1845 is handwritten, but there are no quarters to deal with in those early years. I have Geddes in my family tree from County Down, any of your Geddes family from there? Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Geddes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] The Creighton Connection > Al Hi! > Thanks for your note Al - the family is Protestant so searching with LDS for > the marriage record is okay except that it's a bit of a shot in the dark > approach because the information of their children is sketchy. I know that > David Creighton Williams was born in 1849 and his sister Jessie Creighton > was born in 1853. It's possible that Richard and his wife were married > between 1845 and 1849, or it's also possible that David and Jessie are the > last of many children and the marriage would have been earlier than 1845. > It's these little puzzles that tweak my brain every so often at 3:00 in the > morning! If you think of anything else I'd love to hear from you! > Cheers, Judy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Al Valentine > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:54 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] The Creighton Connection > > Do you know what religion, that they might have been? Do you have a likely > year for he marriage you are looking for? Civil marriage records from 1845 > are searchable in index form at the LDS, but only for Protestant marriages. > the Catholics were required to register in 1864. > Al Valentine > Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy Geddes" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:16 PM > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] The Creighton Connection > > > > Hi Listers > > > > My g grandmother Irene Reynolds married David Creighton Williams in 1878 > and > > they proceeded to have seven children that I'm aware of all born in > > Rathdown, Donnybrook, Rathmines and South Dublin. One son has Renolds as > a > > middle name and the other two had Creighton for a middle name. Somewhere > in > > my research I read that it was an Irish naming tradition to use the > father's > > mother's maiden name as a middle name for the children. I know from David > > and Irene's marriage certificate that David's father's name was Richard > > Williams but of course, the mother's name is not on the certificate. I'm > > thinking that his mother's surname was Creighton but I have no proof of > > that. However I found out that my grandmother (Louisa) passed on the > > Creighton family bible to my cousin and inside is an inscription: To Miss > > Louisa Creighton from the Teachers at Ormond Quay Sabbath School thanking > > her for 16 years as an instructor of girls class. (I'm thinking that this > > might be my grandmother's great aunt). Further research this past year > > uncovered a Miss Jessie Creighton b 1853 in Dublin. She came to Canada to > > live with my g grandmother Irene in Winnipeg. Jessie was also a teacher. > > The informant on David's death certificate is Willis F Williams living at > 50 > > Park Avenue in Sandymount in 1895. So I'm thinking that Jessie and Willis > > were siblings of David's born to Richard Williams and ? Creighton. Both > > Jessie and David were born prior to 1864 when birth records were kept, so > > I'm thinking that maybe a search of the marriage records starting in 1845 > > might be worth my while but Richard Williams may be a popular name, so is > it > > a good idea? A while back I looked on-line at the Dublin City Directory > for > > 1850 and there were 3 Richard Williams listed and 12 Creightons listed. > > That information served as a teaser, but I haven't figured out if there is > > anything I can do with it. Are there any other avenues that I haven't > > thought of yet to track the Creighton connection? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Judy in Alberta > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Al, Good suggestion - I never thought of going at it from the Creighton name! I like it. I found the Geddes family back to 1749 all in Banff Scotland - and was lucky to make a connection with a real live cousin Howard Geddes who told me the original Geddes farm is still standing! Thanks for your help Al. Cheers, Judy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Al Valentine Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 9:44 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] The Creighton Connection Hi Judy, I can only offer this based on my experience doing something similar. It's not as difficult as you might imagine as when you have a match, the year, quarter in needed, volume and page match. You might just try to list the Creighton female entries, being fewer in number and then scan the male Williams surname entries. It you find a match, yell BINGO. That would be a marriage between the two. Well worth checking from 1845 on, only problem is 1845 is handwritten, but there are no quarters to deal with in those early years. I have Geddes in my family tree from County Down, any of your Geddes family from there? Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Geddes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] The Creighton Connection > Al Hi! > Thanks for your note Al - the family is Protestant so searching with LDS for > the marriage record is okay except that it's a bit of a shot in the dark > approach because the information of their children is sketchy. I know that > David Creighton Williams was born in 1849 and his sister Jessie Creighton > was born in 1853. It's possible that Richard and his wife were married > between 1845 and 1849, or it's also possible that David and Jessie are the > last of many children and the marriage would have been earlier than 1845. > It's these little puzzles that tweak my brain every so often at 3:00 in the > morning! If you think of anything else I'd love to hear from you! > Cheers, Judy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Al Valentine > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:54 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] The Creighton Connection > > Do you know what religion, that they might have been? Do you have a likely > year for he marriage you are looking for? Civil marriage records from 1845 > are searchable in index form at the LDS, but only for Protestant marriages. > the Catholics were required to register in 1864. > Al Valentine > Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy Geddes" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:16 PM > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] The Creighton Connection > > > > Hi Listers > > > > My g grandmother Irene Reynolds married David Creighton Williams in 1878 > and > > they proceeded to have seven children that I'm aware of all born in > > Rathdown, Donnybrook, Rathmines and South Dublin. One son has Renolds as > a > > middle name and the other two had Creighton for a middle name. Somewhere > in > > my research I read that it was an Irish naming tradition to use the > father's > > mother's maiden name as a middle name for the children. I know from David > > and Irene's marriage certificate that David's father's name was Richard > > Williams but of course, the mother's name is not on the certificate. I'm > > thinking that his mother's surname was Creighton but I have no proof of > > that. However I found out that my grandmother (Louisa) passed on the > > Creighton family bible to my cousin and inside is an inscription: To Miss > > Louisa Creighton from the Teachers at Ormond Quay Sabbath School thanking > > her for 16 years as an instructor of girls class. (I'm thinking that this > > might be my grandmother's great aunt). Further research this past year > > uncovered a Miss Jessie Creighton b 1853 in Dublin. She came to Canada to > > live with my g grandmother Irene in Winnipeg. Jessie was also a teacher. > > The informant on David's death certificate is Willis F Williams living at > 50 > > Park Avenue in Sandymount in 1895. So I'm thinking that Jessie and Willis > > were siblings of David's born to Richard Williams and ? Creighton. Both > > Jessie and David were born prior to 1864 when birth records were kept, so > > I'm thinking that maybe a search of the marriage records starting in 1845 > > might be worth my while but Richard Williams may be a popular name, so is > it > > a good idea? A while back I looked on-line at the Dublin City Directory > for > > 1850 and there were 3 Richard Williams listed and 12 Creightons listed. > > That information served as a teaser, but I haven't figured out if there is > > anything I can do with it. Are there any other avenues that I haven't > > thought of yet to track the Creighton connection? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Judy in Alberta > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI Anthony, Thank you for looking, ANY info. I can get my hands on is good!! Yes please if you don't mind contacting the National Graves Association just in case. He is buried in Glasnevin cemetery. In the same grave is his sister Hilda BLAKE (nee MOORE) and also Ernest BLAKE (son of Hilda). Apparently the surname began life as O'MOORE and later became MOORE. Thank you once again. Anne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony J. Roche" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] IRA records!! > At 21:51 08/08/2007, you wrote: >>Hi Anthony, >> >>Here are the only details I have - taken from his headstone ... >> >>RORY O'MOORE. This wasn't apparently his birth name. >>He took the name of a well known Irish folk hero!. His date of death on >>the >>(beautiful) >>celtic cross over the grave is given as 14th October 1922. There is also >>mention on > > The directory of Republican graves known as the 'Last Post' mentions > him on page 79 and he is listed there as 3rd Battalion, citation says > he saw action all through the War of Independence, was wounded in an > attack on Wellington barracks. No further details. > > It is unlikely that there is a military record as these men were > insurgents and consequently a secret army. I am interested in the > name because all of my maternal ancestors were prominent members of > the IRA during the same time and one of my lines of interest is > O'Moore - my O'Moores lived in the Marino / Clontarf area of Dublin. > > If it is any help I will contact the National Graves Association and > see if there is any more detail available on your Rory. You don't > say where he is buried? > > Regards > Anthony > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/941 - Release Date: 07/08/2007 > 16:06 > >

Hi Judy, I can only offer this based on my experience doing something similar. It's not as difficult as you might imagine as when you have a match, the year, quarter in needed, volume and page match. You might just try to list the Creighton female entries, being fewer in number and then scan the male Williams surname entries. It you find a match, yell BINGO. That would be a marriage between the two. Well worth checking from 1845 on, only problem is 1845 is handwritten, but there are no quarters to deal with in those early years. I have Geddes in my family tree from County Down, any of your Geddes family from there? Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Geddes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] The Creighton Connection > Al Hi! > Thanks for your note Al - the family is Protestant so searching with LDS for > the marriage record is okay except that it's a bit of a shot in the dark > approach because the information of their children is sketchy. I know that > David Creighton Williams was born in 1849 and his sister Jessie Creighton > was born in 1853. It's possible that Richard and his wife were married > between 1845 and 1849, or it's also possible that David and Jessie are the > last of many children and the marriage would have been earlier than 1845. > It's these little puzzles that tweak my brain every so often at 3:00 in the > morning! If you think of anything else I'd love to hear from you! > Cheers, Judy > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Al Valentine > Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:54 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] The Creighton Connection > > Do you know what religion, that they might have been? Do you have a likely > year for he marriage you are looking for? Civil marriage records from 1845 > are searchable in index form at the LDS, but only for Protestant marriages. > the Catholics were required to register in 1864. > Al Valentine > Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy Geddes" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:16 PM > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] The Creighton Connection > > > > Hi Listers > > > > My g grandmother Irene Reynolds married David Creighton Williams in 1878 > and > > they proceeded to have seven children that I'm aware of all born in > > Rathdown, Donnybrook, Rathmines and South Dublin. One son has Renolds as > a > > middle name and the other two had Creighton for a middle name. Somewhere > in > > my research I read that it was an Irish naming tradition to use the > father's > > mother's maiden name as a middle name for the children. I know from David > > and Irene's marriage certificate that David's father's name was Richard > > Williams but of course, the mother's name is not on the certificate. I'm > > thinking that his mother's surname was Creighton but I have no proof of > > that. However I found out that my grandmother (Louisa) passed on the > > Creighton family bible to my cousin and inside is an inscription: To Miss > > Louisa Creighton from the Teachers at Ormond Quay Sabbath School thanking > > her for 16 years as an instructor of girls class. (I'm thinking that this > > might be my grandmother's great aunt). Further research this past year > > uncovered a Miss Jessie Creighton b 1853 in Dublin. She came to Canada to > > live with my g grandmother Irene in Winnipeg. Jessie was also a teacher. > > The informant on David's death certificate is Willis F Williams living at > 50 > > Park Avenue in Sandymount in 1895. So I'm thinking that Jessie and Willis > > were siblings of David's born to Richard Williams and ? Creighton. Both > > Jessie and David were born prior to 1864 when birth records were kept, so > > I'm thinking that maybe a search of the marriage records starting in 1845 > > might be worth my while but Richard Williams may be a popular name, so is > it > > a good idea? A while back I looked on-line at the Dublin City Directory > for > > 1850 and there were 3 Richard Williams listed and 12 Creightons listed. > > That information served as a teaser, but I haven't figured out if there is > > anything I can do with it. Are there any other avenues that I haven't > > thought of yet to track the Creighton connection? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Judy in Alberta > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

At 21:51 08/08/2007, you wrote: >Hi Anthony, > >Here are the only details I have - taken from his headstone ... > >RORY O'MOORE. This wasn't apparently his birth name. >He took the name of a well known Irish folk hero!. His date of death on the >(beautiful) >celtic cross over the grave is given as 14th October 1922. There is also >mention on The directory of Republican graves known as the 'Last Post' mentions him on page 79 and he is listed there as 3rd Battalion, citation says he saw action all through the War of Independence, was wounded in an attack on Wellington barracks. No further details. It is unlikely that there is a military record as these men were insurgents and consequently a secret army. I am interested in the name because all of my maternal ancestors were prominent members of the IRA during the same time and one of my lines of interest is O'Moore - my O'Moores lived in the Marino / Clontarf area of Dublin. If it is any help I will contact the National Graves Association and see if there is any more detail available on your Rory. You don't say where he is buried? Regards Anthony

Hi Anthony, Here are the only details I have - taken from his headstone ... RORY O'MOORE. This wasn't apparently his birth name. He took the name of a well known Irish folk hero!. His date of death on the (beautiful) celtic cross over the grave is given as 14th October 1922. There is also mention on the cross that he was Vice-Commandant of the 3rd Dublin Brigade. Look forward to hearing from you. Anne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony J. Roche" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 4:27 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] IRA records!! > At 13:25 08/08/2007, you wrote: >>Hi there, >> >>Does anyone know how I can find any possible existing records for a >>Vice-Commandant of the 3rd Dublin Brigade? > > What period and what name - maybe I can help > > Regards > > Anthony J. Roche > Visit my home page at http://homepages.iol.ie/~ajroche/ > Good Dublin Links at http://www.rootsweb.com/~irldubli/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/941 - Release Date: 07/08/2007 > 16:06 > >

Al Hi! Thanks for your note Al - the family is Protestant so searching with LDS for the marriage record is okay except that it's a bit of a shot in the dark approach because the information of their children is sketchy. I know that David Creighton Williams was born in 1849 and his sister Jessie Creighton was born in 1853. It's possible that Richard and his wife were married between 1845 and 1849, or it's also possible that David and Jessie are the last of many children and the marriage would have been earlier than 1845. It's these little puzzles that tweak my brain every so often at 3:00 in the morning! If you think of anything else I'd love to hear from you! Cheers, Judy -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Al Valentine Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 3:54 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] The Creighton Connection Do you know what religion, that they might have been? Do you have a likely year for he marriage you are looking for? Civil marriage records from 1845 are searchable in index form at the LDS, but only for Protestant marriages. the Catholics were required to register in 1864. Al Valentine Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Geddes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] The Creighton Connection > Hi Listers > > My g grandmother Irene Reynolds married David Creighton Williams in 1878 and > they proceeded to have seven children that I'm aware of all born in > Rathdown, Donnybrook, Rathmines and South Dublin. One son has Renolds as a > middle name and the other two had Creighton for a middle name. Somewhere in > my research I read that it was an Irish naming tradition to use the father's > mother's maiden name as a middle name for the children. I know from David > and Irene's marriage certificate that David's father's name was Richard > Williams but of course, the mother's name is not on the certificate. I'm > thinking that his mother's surname was Creighton but I have no proof of > that. However I found out that my grandmother (Louisa) passed on the > Creighton family bible to my cousin and inside is an inscription: To Miss > Louisa Creighton from the Teachers at Ormond Quay Sabbath School thanking > her for 16 years as an instructor of girls class. (I'm thinking that this > might be my grandmother's great aunt). Further research this past year > uncovered a Miss Jessie Creighton b 1853 in Dublin. She came to Canada to > live with my g grandmother Irene in Winnipeg. Jessie was also a teacher. > The informant on David's death certificate is Willis F Williams living at 50 > Park Avenue in Sandymount in 1895. So I'm thinking that Jessie and Willis > were siblings of David's born to Richard Williams and ? Creighton. Both > Jessie and David were born prior to 1864 when birth records were kept, so > I'm thinking that maybe a search of the marriage records starting in 1845 > might be worth my while but Richard Williams may be a popular name, so is it > a good idea? A while back I looked on-line at the Dublin City Directory for > 1850 and there were 3 Richard Williams listed and 12 Creightons listed. > That information served as a teaser, but I haven't figured out if there is > anything I can do with it. Are there any other avenues that I haven't > thought of yet to track the Creighton connection? > > Cheers, > > Judy in Alberta > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you know what religion, that they might have been? Do you have a likely year for he marriage you are looking for? Civil marriage records from 1845 are searchable in index form at the LDS, but only for Protestant marriages. the Catholics were required to register in 1864. Al Valentine Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Geddes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] The Creighton Connection > Hi Listers > > My g grandmother Irene Reynolds married David Creighton Williams in 1878 and > they proceeded to have seven children that I'm aware of all born in > Rathdown, Donnybrook, Rathmines and South Dublin. One son has Renolds as a > middle name and the other two had Creighton for a middle name. Somewhere in > my research I read that it was an Irish naming tradition to use the father's > mother's maiden name as a middle name for the children. I know from David > and Irene's marriage certificate that David's father's name was Richard > Williams but of course, the mother's name is not on the certificate. I'm > thinking that his mother's surname was Creighton but I have no proof of > that. However I found out that my grandmother (Louisa) passed on the > Creighton family bible to my cousin and inside is an inscription: To Miss > Louisa Creighton from the Teachers at Ormond Quay Sabbath School thanking > her for 16 years as an instructor of girls class. (I'm thinking that this > might be my grandmother's great aunt). Further research this past year > uncovered a Miss Jessie Creighton b 1853 in Dublin. She came to Canada to > live with my g grandmother Irene in Winnipeg. Jessie was also a teacher. > The informant on David's death certificate is Willis F Williams living at 50 > Park Avenue in Sandymount in 1895. So I'm thinking that Jessie and Willis > were siblings of David's born to Richard Williams and ? Creighton. Both > Jessie and David were born prior to 1864 when birth records were kept, so > I'm thinking that maybe a search of the marriage records starting in 1845 > might be worth my while but Richard Williams may be a popular name, so is it > a good idea? A while back I looked on-line at the Dublin City Directory for > 1850 and there were 3 Richard Williams listed and 12 Creightons listed. > That information served as a teaser, but I haven't figured out if there is > anything I can do with it. Are there any other avenues that I haven't > thought of yet to track the Creighton connection? > > Cheers, > > Judy in Alberta > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

At 13:25 08/08/2007, you wrote: >Hi there, > >Does anyone know how I can find any possible existing records for a >Vice-Commandant of the 3rd Dublin Brigade? What period and what name - maybe I can help Regards Anthony J. Roche Visit my home page at http://homepages.iol.ie/~ajroche/ Good Dublin Links at http://www.rootsweb.com/~irldubli/

Hello, I don't know if this is any use to you, but I have a copy a letter dated 1950 or 1956 which my great-uncle sent to: Minister for Defense Colaiste Caorulin Glassnevin Dublin (Sorry for any spelling errors, the letter is handwritten and some of the letters are not quite clear). He was trying to collect under the Military Pensions Act of 1949 for his service in the IRA. In this letter my uncle detailed his service and the raids in which he participated. If this is a requirement for collecting a pension, perhaps such records exist for other IRA members and could be obtained from the Minister for Defense. Just a thought! Good luck in your search, Nancy Dunne Anne Griffin <[email protected]> wrote: HI Anthony, Thank you for looking, ANY info. I can get my hands on is good!! Yes please if you don't mind contacting the National Graves Association just in case. He is buried in Glasnevin cemetery. In the same grave is his sister Hilda BLAKE (nee MOORE) and also Ernest BLAKE (son of Hilda). Apparently the surname began life as O'MOORE and later became MOORE. Thank you once again. Anne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony J. Roche" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] IRA records!! > At 21:51 08/08/2007, you wrote: >>Hi Anthony, >> >>Here are the only details I have - taken from his headstone ... >> >>RORY O'MOORE. This wasn't apparently his birth name. >>He took the name of a well known Irish folk hero!. His date of death on >>the >>(beautiful) >>celtic cross over the grave is given as 14th October 1922. There is also >>mention on > > The directory of Republican graves known as the 'Last Post' mentions > him on page 79 and he is listed there as 3rd Battalion, citation says > he saw action all through the War of Independence, was wounded in an > attack on Wellington barracks. No further details. > > It is unlikely that there is a military record as these men were > insurgents and consequently a secret army. I am interested in the > name because all of my maternal ancestors were prominent members of > the IRA during the same time and one of my lines of interest is > O'Moore - my O'Moores lived in the Marino / Clontarf area of Dublin. > > If it is any help I will contact the National Graves Association and > see if there is any more detail available on your Rory. You don't > say where he is buried? > > Regards > Anthony > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.8/941 - Release Date: 07/08/2007 > 16:06 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Al You have to remember there is more than one female with that entry. There can be 2 or 4 people per that volume & page number. Jennette Gest nee Byrne QLD AUS [email protected] ----- Original Message ----- From: "Al Valentine" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Marriage Mystery > Lots of traffic on this marriage question. Here are I hope some helpful > hints. If you have access to the LDS marriage index and only know one of > the > names of the couple, and have a year, then you can search by surname and > find the party you are looking for. The problem arises when both names are > common like a John Murphy, for which there could be multiple entries. But > if > you know the registration district or recognize the geographic location > and > can place it in the right county, you can narrow the odds. Ideally, you > can > find the right one, then you have the YEAR, QUARTER VOLUME & PAGE. That > should be sufficient for them to look it up and give you a copy of the > marriage certificate. If you are a glutton for punishment, you can find > the > other name yourself in the index. What you have to do is to look through > the > entire quarter and find the identical entry for Volume and Page. An > onerous > task indeed that should not be necessary. The identity of the spouse is > indeed useful in finding the right one, especially when there are many > entries for the other party. > Al Valentine > Canada

Hi, My ancestors appear to have owned or leased land in Luke Street and George's Quay, between about 1750-1820. One Memorial mentioned No 18 George's Quay, which is either on the corner of Luke Street or close to the corner. But which corner of the T junction? Would anyone know which side of Luke Street (Moss St or Tara St) number 18 George's Quay and number 6 Luke Street were? Thank you Marcia Watson Western Australia

Dear Valeris, many thanks for you reply and offer. I am thinking that the original register may be the one that is damamged and the LDS filmed the damaged page! Hope not. Many thanks, Michael ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valeris Garton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2007 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page >I will have a look for you this week. > > Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. > Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & > Wexford - please ??????? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael > McAllister > Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2007 12:49 AM > To: Dublin City List; Belfast List > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page > > > Hi List, I wonder if someone, somewhere would check a page of the Civil > Registers for me please. The copy I viewed through an LDS FHC at nearby > Sutton Coldfield was a little torn and wonder if all the original was > torn as well ! > > The page is from the Births section of the third quarter from 1900, > bottom left hand side of the page number 40, > name McALISTER/McALLISTER. > > If someone has an undamaged page would/could they copy or transcibe the > section of the page for me please? It would hep me possibly track down > some family members (hopefully). In anticipation, many thanks. Michael > McAllister > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

I will have a look for you this week. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford - please ??????? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Michael McAllister Sent: Saturday, 4 August 2007 12:49 AM To: Dublin City List; Belfast List Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page Hi List, I wonder if someone, somewhere would check a page of the Civil Registers for me please. The copy I viewed through an LDS FHC at nearby Sutton Coldfield was a little torn and wonder if all the original was torn as well ! The page is from the Births section of the third quarter from 1900, bottom left hand side of the page number 40, name McALISTER/McALLISTER. If someone has an undamaged page would/could they copy or transcibe the section of the page for me please? It would hep me possibly track down some family members (hopefully). In anticipation, many thanks. Michael McAllister ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message