Valerie. I have been given info. that relative Edward Clinch was married July 1 1920 in Church of St.Helena Killarney Co. Kerry. There isn't a church of this name in Co. Kerry. I don't know the wife's name. Would you be able to check the registers for me please. Tahnks a lot. Researching. O'Neill(variations) Clinch Power in Co. Wexford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valeris Garton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'sforBMD's//file L'estrang > It would not be too much trouble BUT R/C marriages are not registered > until 1864. > > Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. > Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & > Wexford - please ??????? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 3:41 AM > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s > forBMD's//file L'estrang > > > > Valarie.....if it is not too much trouble...maybe you will find what I > could > not: > RC marriage: Thomas L'estrange b.1836 in cty. Westmeath > m.c1861 > Jane McKeon [no other details now known] > > Thomas was a Dublin Met.Policeman until 1861....served for 7 years. > Jane may have been the 'girl back home in Westmeath' or she may have > been a > Dublin lass. I have not found the birth info on their firstborn, John. > But > subsequent ten children were baptized @St. Nicholas of Myra, St. > Kevin's....one > or two had McKeon godparents..so that is why I think it was a Dublin > girl and > marriage. I was in WestMeath a few months ago and could find no > marriage for > this couple in the church records. I've also looked at the index but I > may > have missed something. So that would be so very kind of you to do that. > > God Bless, and thank you > > Janice > > In a message dated 8/12/2007 7:11:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I could look up the marriage index for you this week if you like. > > Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. > Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & > Wexford - please ??????? > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 2:35 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s for > BMD's > > > > > > Debby, thank you so much for the LDS # for that reel. > > WM is Westmeath county. > > Next I need to learn if there is a Cookstown Superintendent Registrar's > > District in Dublin. > Yes, I could use some enlightenment re barony, district, poor law > union.....all rather obsolete in the 21st century. :) > > > > Thanks again, Debby > > Janice > Boston > > > > > In a message dated 8/11/2007 7:35:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > The LDS Film No. for the index of marriages in Ireland 1860-1862 is > 0101248. I know this because I have already looked at myself; I do not > > know if there is a listing of index numbers online. > There is a Cookstown outside Dublin near the city of Tallaght. There > is also a Cookstown somewhere in Northern Ireland. > >When the register indicates a location I thought that was the BARONY.< > > >I can only tell you that it means the Superintendent > >Registrar's District, according to some of the marriage certificates > >I have in my possession. I thought this was the same thing as the > >Poor Law Union. 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Hello Mary NL = National Library, which is in Dublin's fair city Welcome to an exciting adventure and wishing you lots of fun Regards Dave Mitchell Cape Town South Africa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Treppa" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 5:39 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s for BMD's// > I'm just starting on my Irish line so I have a couple of stupid > questions. > > What is NL? And when you say you looked in NL, does that mean online > or physically went there or wrote? > > Mary > > > On Aug 13, 2007, at 1:44 PM, [email protected] wrote: > >> I did look at church records at the NL in Dublin....for 4 RC >> parishes.... > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.15/949 - Release Date: > 2007/08/12 11:03 AM > >

NL would be the National Library of Ireland, Kildare Street, Dublin. To research their records you have to go in person or engage a researcher to work on your behalf. A lot of the records they have would be available on microfiche or microfilm through the LDS church (Latter Day Saints aka Mormons) at their family history centres, dotted worldwide. No question is stupid. You have to ask to get the answer. Debby Raymond, Queensland, Australia

Mary....sorry for the confusion. NL = National library [of Ireland in Dublin]. In this case Mary, I was actually in Dublin. I feel very blessed to be able to say that. But most important.....NO QUESTION IS STUPID. That is what this list is for...so ask away....someone will always want to help you. :) Plus, I have heard it said "The only DUMB question is.......the one you don't ask." So ask away. Janice Boston In a message dated 8/13/2007 11:55:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I'm just starting on my Irish line so I have a couple of stupid questions. What is NL? And when you say you looked in NL, does that mean online or physically went there or wrote? Mary On Aug 13, 2007, at 1:44 PM, [email protected] wrote: > I did look at church records at the NL in Dublin....for 4 RC > parishes.... ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

At 04:39 14/08/2007, you wrote: >I'm just starting on my Irish line so I have a couple of stupid >questions. > >What is NL? And when you say you looked in NL, does that mean online >or physically went there or wrote? Not a stupid question NL could mean National Library didn't notice the original post so could also mean something else Welcome to the great search Regards Anthony J. Roche Visit my home page at http://homepages.iol.ie/~ajroche/ Good Dublin Links at http://www.rootsweb.com/~irldubli/

It would not be too much trouble BUT R/C marriages are not registered until 1864. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford - please ??????? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, 14 August 2007 3:41 AM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s forBMD's//file L'estrang Valarie.....if it is not too much trouble...maybe you will find what I could not: RC marriage: Thomas L'estrange b.1836 in cty. Westmeath m.c1861 Jane McKeon [no other details now known] Thomas was a Dublin Met.Policeman until 1861....served for 7 years. Jane may have been the 'girl back home in Westmeath' or she may have been a Dublin lass. I have not found the birth info on their firstborn, John. But subsequent ten children were baptized @St. Nicholas of Myra, St. Kevin's....one or two had McKeon godparents..so that is why I think it was a Dublin girl and marriage. I was in WestMeath a few months ago and could find no marriage for this couple in the church records. I've also looked at the index but I may have missed something. So that would be so very kind of you to do that. God Bless, and thank you Janice In a message dated 8/12/2007 7:11:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I could look up the marriage index for you this week if you like. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford - please ??????? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 2:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s for BMD's Debby, thank you so much for the LDS # for that reel. WM is Westmeath county. Next I need to learn if there is a Cookstown Superintendent Registrar's District in Dublin. Yes, I could use some enlightenment re barony, district, poor law union.....all rather obsolete in the 21st century. :) Thanks again, Debby Janice Boston In a message dated 8/11/2007 7:35:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: The LDS Film No. for the index of marriages in Ireland 1860-1862 is 0101248. I know this because I have already looked at myself; I do not know if there is a listing of index numbers online. There is a Cookstown outside Dublin near the city of Tallaght. There is also a Cookstown somewhere in Northern Ireland. >When the register indicates a location I thought that was the BARONY.< >I can only tell you that it means the Superintendent >Registrar's District, according to some of the marriage certificates >I have in my possession. I thought this was the same thing as the >Poor Law Union. I did not know that it has any reference to barony. >Perhaps a more knowledgeable person can assist in answering this >puzzler. What's WM? Debby Raymond, Queensland, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lorraine It wasn't always put on the marriage that their fathers were dead. On my grand parents their fathers died when they were 7 & 9 & they married in 1907, it just gave their names & what job they did, but didn't say they were dead. Jennette Gest nee Byrne QLD AUS [email protected] > Hello, looking for the death of a Thomas Loughrey possibly before > 1911. On his daughteres marriage certificate in 1914 he is mentioned > as her father and a labourer, yet on the 1911 census his wife Mary > states that she is the head. They are RC so I am thinking it unlikely > they are divorced, so just looking for some answers. On the > certificate and the census record they are living at Merchants Road. > Any suggestions or help gladly received. Lorraine > > > > __________________________________________________ > Tiscali Broadband only £7.99 a month for your first 3 months! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm just starting on my Irish line so I have a couple of stupid questions. What is NL? And when you say you looked in NL, does that mean online or physically went there or wrote? Mary On Aug 13, 2007, at 1:44 PM, [email protected] wrote: > I did look at church records at the NL in Dublin....for 4 RC > parishes....

Hello, looking for the death of a Thomas Loughrey possibly before 1911. On his daughteres marriage certificate in 1914 he is mentioned as her father and a labourer, yet on the 1911 census his wife Mary states that she is the head. They are RC so I am thinking it unlikely they are divorced, so just looking for some answers. On the certificate and the census record they are living at Merchants Road. Any suggestions or help gladly received. Lorraine __________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only £7.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

Excellent, Alma! Will do and let you know. Again, thank you. Janice In a message dated 8/12/2007 8:44:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello Janice, The following LDS films have RC Parish Registers listed on them. Do a fiche/film search in the LDS Catalogue online to see which area relates to each film. Film #992664; #100225; #916503; #101768; 883867; #990093. LDS site:- www.familysearch.org Regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s for BMD's// > > ohhhh......Thank you, Alma, for all the answers to my questions. I was > hoping against hope....but it would be looking for a record that does not > exist as > this was a RC marriage. I did look at church records at the NL in > Dublin....for 4 RC parishes....found most of the baptisms....but no 1861 > marriage for > Thomas/Jane and no 1862 birth/baptism for my 'John'. > > Thanks again, Alma > Janice > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Valarie.....if it is not too much trouble...maybe you will find what I could not: RC marriage: Thomas L'estrange b.1836 in cty. Westmeath m.c1861 Jane McKeon [no other details now known] Thomas was a Dublin Met.Policeman until 1861....served for 7 years. Jane may have been the 'girl back home in Westmeath' or she may have been a Dublin lass. I have not found the birth info on their firstborn, John. But subsequent ten children were baptized @St. Nicholas of Myra, St. Kevin's....one or two had McKeon godparents..so that is why I think it was a Dublin girl and marriage. I was in WestMeath a few months ago and could find no marriage for this couple in the church records. I've also looked at the index but I may have missed something. So that would be so very kind of you to do that. God Bless, and thank you Janice In a message dated 8/12/2007 7:11:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I could look up the marriage index for you this week if you like. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford - please ??????? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 2:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s for BMD's Debby, thank you so much for the LDS # for that reel. WM is Westmeath county. Next I need to learn if there is a Cookstown Superintendent Registrar's District in Dublin. Yes, I could use some enlightenment re barony, district, poor law union.....all rather obsolete in the 21st century. :) Thanks again, Debby Janice Boston In a message dated 8/11/2007 7:35:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: The LDS Film No. for the index of marriages in Ireland 1860-1862 is 0101248. I know this because I have already looked at myself; I do not know if there is a listing of index numbers online. There is a Cookstown outside Dublin near the city of Tallaght. There is also a Cookstown somewhere in Northern Ireland. >When the register indicates a location I thought that was the >BARONY.< I can only tell you that it means the Superintendent >Registrar's District, according to some of the marriage certificates >I have in my possession. I thought this was the same thing as the >Poor Law Union. I did not know that it has any reference to barony. >Perhaps a more knowledgeable person can assist in answering this >puzzler. What's WM? Debby Raymond, Queensland, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Deb....I totally agree with " if the reference you have in the marriage index states Cookstown, then I strongly suspect it is Cookstown in Northern Ireland you should be looking at." And coupled with the fact that RC marriages were not required to be registered until a much later date 1864. I had initially learned that the index included marriages from 1845 but now I learn that was primarily protestant marriages......I'm quite certain the entry I was asking about is NOT mine. . I had searched those indexes in 2005 or 2006 at the Dublin city library and I was reviewing my notes recently. I 'knew' about the above info then....but my 'desperate hopefulness' ...I tried to 'charge down that lane....just in case.'. Oh well, thank you all for your help and guidance. My Dublin ancestors that I have found are ALL Dublin south.... Again, Thanks, Debby Janice Boston In a message dated 8/12/2007 5:22:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: There isn't a Superintendent Registrar's District called Cookstown in Dublin, though from a recent post there seems to be one of that name in Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland. Dublin, being a large city, was divided into two registrar's districts, Dublin North and Dublin South. I've looked up my copy of Tracing Your Irish Ancestors by John Grenham, second edition, and I think the old townland of Cookstown near Tallaght would fall in the parish of Rathfarnham in the Registrar's District of Dublin South. However, if the reference you have in the marriage index states Cookstown, then I strongly suspect it is Cookstown in Northern Ireland you should be looking at. Debby ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Janice I forgot to add that these were for Co. Dublin, although the films have other counties on them also. Regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: "FT. & AM." <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s for BMD's// > Hello Janice, > > The following LDS films have RC Parish Registers listed on them. Do a > fiche/film search in the LDS Catalogue online to see which area relates to > each film. > > Film #992664; #100225; #916503; #101768; 883867; #990093. > > LDS site:- www.familysearch.org > > Regards > Alma > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:05 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s for > BMD's// > > >> >> ohhhh......Thank you, Alma, for all the answers to my questions. I was >> hoping against hope....but it would be looking for a record that does not >> exist as >> this was a RC marriage. I did look at church records at the NL in >> Dublin....for 4 RC parishes....found most of the baptisms....but no 1861 >> marriage for >> Thomas/Jane and no 1862 birth/baptism for my 'John'. >> >> Thanks again, Alma >> Janice >> >> >

Hello Janice, The following LDS films have RC Parish Registers listed on them. Do a fiche/film search in the LDS Catalogue online to see which area relates to each film. Film #992664; #100225; #916503; #101768; 883867; #990093. LDS site:- www.familysearch.org Regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s for BMD's// > > ohhhh......Thank you, Alma, for all the answers to my questions. I was > hoping against hope....but it would be looking for a record that does not > exist as > this was a RC marriage. I did look at church records at the NL in > Dublin....for 4 RC parishes....found most of the baptisms....but no 1861 > marriage for > Thomas/Jane and no 1862 birth/baptism for my 'John'. > > Thanks again, Alma > Janice > >

I could look up the marriage index for you this week if you like. Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & Wexford - please ??????? -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, 13 August 2007 2:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s for BMD's Debby, thank you so much for the LDS # for that reel. WM is Westmeath county. Next I need to learn if there is a Cookstown Superintendent Registrar's District in Dublin. Yes, I could use some enlightenment re barony, district, poor law union.....all rather obsolete in the 21st century. :) Thanks again, Debby Janice Boston In a message dated 8/11/2007 7:35:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: The LDS Film No. for the index of marriages in Ireland 1860-1862 is 0101248. I know this because I have already looked at myself; I do not know if there is a listing of index numbers online. There is a Cookstown outside Dublin near the city of Tallaght. There is also a Cookstown somewhere in Northern Ireland. >When the register indicates a location I thought that was the >BARONY.< I can only tell you that it means the Superintendent >Registrar's District, according to some of the marriage certificates >I have in my possession. I thought this was the same thing as the >Poor Law Union. I did not know that it has any reference to barony. >Perhaps a more knowledgeable person can assist in answering this >puzzler. What's WM? Debby Raymond, Queensland, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Everyone, I've been very interested in the emails about Cookstown and wondered if anyone who is looking in Cookstown information could also see if they can find my great grandmother, Marianne Margaret Boon? Her brother and father were John Boon. She was born in 1835 in Cookstown (I've been told). She was married March 14, 1861 at Mary's Scot church on Capel Street in Dublin to Joseph Cantley. I was able to see a copy of the marriage information and it said she lived in Coolock, (near Dublin). BUT I don't know whether she was born in COOKSTOWN, County Dublin or County Tyrone. I haven't been able to find any birth information for her. I read on this site that there are two Cookstowns in County Dublin. I know her brother John Boon owned 3 acres on Grafton Street, Dublin in the 1870s. She died September 7, 1888 and is buried at Mt. Jerome cemetary, Dublin. I've been trying for about 20 years to find out more about her. Any help would be greatly appreciated!! Thank you. Valerie Cantley _________________________________________________________________ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more….then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&ss=yp.bars~yp.pizza~yp.movie%20theater&cp=42.358996~-71.056691&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=950607&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01

There isn't a Superintendent Registrar's District called Cookstown in Dublin, though from a recent post there seems to be one of that name in Co. Tyrone, Northern Ireland. Dublin, being a large city, was divided into two registrar's districts, Dublin North and Dublin South. I've looked up my copy of Tracing Your Irish Ancestors by John Grenham, second edition, and I think the old townland of Cookstown near Tallaght would fall in the parish of Rathfarnham in the Registrar's District of Dublin South. However, if the reference you have in the marriage index states Cookstown, then I strongly suspect it is Cookstown in Northern Ireland you should be looking at. Debby

ohhhh......Thank you, Alma, for all the answers to my questions. I was hoping against hope....but it would be looking for a record that does not exist as this was a RC marriage. I did look at church records at the NL in Dublin....for 4 RC parishes....found most of the baptisms....but no 1861 marriage for Thomas/Jane and no 1862 birth/baptism for my 'John'. Thanks again, Alma Janice In a message dated 8/11/2007 8:24:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Hello Janice, Yes, there is a listing online giving the LDS film numbers. You can search the LDS Library Catalogue online at their site:- www.familysearch.org. Marriage records for Protestants began 1845, but marriage records for Catholics only began in 1864. The registration area of Cookstown that is used in the indexes is in Co. Tyrone. Regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s for BMD's > > Can anyone tell me if there is a listing online giving the LDS film number > for civil registers of marriages in Ireland for the years 1860-62? I need > to > scrutinize those records AGAIN. > > I was able to find the marriage record in WM for my GrGr.grandparents in > 1827 but have been unsuccessful in finding the marriage records of their > son, my > Gr.Grandfather Thomas L'Estrange and his bride Jane McKeon c1861. I did > find > a marriage of Jane McKeon listed at COOKSTOWN, vol 4, page 210. But > when I > looked for a L'ESTRANGE to correspond with that marriage I did not find > one. > Would that be Cookstown for marriage in Dublin? Or are the 'locations' > listed in the BMD index's under the barony names? > > I 'think' the marriage was in Dublin because there were McKeon's as > godparents at a child of Thomas/Jane. > > Am I asking this clearly? When the register indicates a location I thought > that was the BARONY. > > OR does COOKSTOWN in the civil registration index mean an area of Dublin? > > (((I'm prepared to learn that Cookstown in the civil registration index > means a barony in Ulster or some other unlikely cty. But I'll be so very > disapointed. ))) It is also possible that NO registration of their > marriage was made > as it is prior to the ruling of 1864 requiring civil registration? > > It's one of the major items I've not been able to find. The other one is > the > birth/baptism of their firstborn, John L'Estrange, the older brother of my > Grandmother.. He played such a significant and poignant role in my > Grandmother > Elizabeth's life in Boston. He bought and paid for the burial plot in > 1886 > where her three babies who died so prematurely....all under 2 1/2 yo, are > buried. . Sadly, in December of 1898, he was married to the mother of his > four > children on his deathbed...he died the following day. I suspect they did > not > marry because of religion. A RC priest in Boston performed the > ceremony....probably he was called to give the Last Rites. Their > three-month old son, > Charles, died one week later. The new bride, Margaret, died 15 months > later. I > did not find the other children on the 1910 census in Boston with my > Grandmother. There are no census records for 1900 Boston. So this a > 'hole' I would love > to fill.....John deserves this...it tugs at my heart. > > Any ideas and suggestions are welcome. > > Janice > Boston ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Debby, thank you so much for the LDS # for that reel. WM is Westmeath county. Next I need to learn if there is a Cookstown Superintendent Registrar's District in Dublin. Yes, I could use some enlightenment re barony, district, poor law union.....all rather obsolete in the 21st century. :) Thanks again, Debby Janice Boston In a message dated 8/11/2007 7:35:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: The LDS Film No. for the index of marriages in Ireland 1860-1862 is 0101248. I know this because I have already looked at myself; I do not know if there is a listing of index numbers online. There is a Cookstown outside Dublin near the city of Tallaght. There is also a Cookstown somewhere in Northern Ireland. >When the register indicates a location I thought that was the >BARONY.< I can only tell you that it means the Superintendent >Registrar's District, according to some of the marriage certificates >I have in my possession. I thought this was the same thing as the >Poor Law Union. I did not know that it has any reference to barony. >Perhaps a more knowledgeable person can assist in answering this >puzzler. What's WM? Debby Raymond, Queensland, Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Hello Janice, Further to my last message - If you go to the following site:- http://www.groireland.ie/history.htm you will be able to read the history of registration in Ireland. Regards Alma ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 4:34 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Civil Register page/LDS film #'s for BMD's > > Can anyone tell me if there is a listing online giving the LDS film number > for civil registers of marriages in Ireland for the years 1860-62? I need > to > scrutinize those records AGAIN. > > I was able to find the marriage record in WM for my GrGr.grandparents in > 1827 but have been unsuccessful in finding the marriage records of their > son, my > Gr.Grandfather Thomas L'Estrange and his bride Jane McKeon c1861. I did > find > a marriage of Jane McKeon listed at COOKSTOWN, vol 4, page 210. But > when I > looked for a L'ESTRANGE to correspond with that marriage I did not find > one. > Would that be Cookstown for marriage in Dublin? Or are the 'locations' > listed in the BMD index's under the barony names? > > I 'think' the marriage was in Dublin because there were McKeon's as > godparents at a child of Thomas/Jane. > > Am I asking this clearly? When the register indicates a location I thought > that was the BARONY. > > OR does COOKSTOWN in the civil registration index mean an area of Dublin? > > (((I'm prepared to learn that Cookstown in the civil registration index > means a barony in Ulster or some other unlikely cty. But I'll be so very > disapointed. ))) It is also possible that NO registration of their > marriage was made > as it is prior to the ruling of 1864 requiring civil registration? > > It's one of the major items I've not been able to find. The other one is > the > birth/baptism of their firstborn, John L'Estrange, the older brother of my > Grandmother.. He played such a significant and poignant role in my > Grandmother > Elizabeth's life in Boston. He bought and paid for the burial plot in > 1886 > where her three babies who died so prematurely....all under 2 1/2 yo, are > buried. . Sadly, in December of 1898, he was married to the mother of his > four > children on his deathbed...he died the following day. I suspect they did > not > marry because of religion. A RC priest in Boston performed the > ceremony....probably he was called to give the Last Rites. Their > three-month old son, > Charles, died one week later. The new bride, Margaret, died 15 months > later. I > did not find the other children on the 1910 census in Boston with my > Grandmother. There are no census records for 1900 Boston. So this a > 'hole' I would love > to fill.....John deserves this...it tugs at my heart. > > Any ideas and suggestions are welcome. > > Janice > Boston