Nivard, I delayed responding with my question because I think it applies to this, and then I read Cara's later apology.  So I thought I better get my question in... Anyway, I just found some new information on familysearch.org that was very helpful to me .  However, I could not understand where this information came from until I stumbled on the fact that names and dates are tied to Queensland, Australia vital records, so I think that was the original source in this case, although the records don't show it.  Rather, i t seems to be user-submitted information, and it was found under the "Trees" catagory at familysearch.org, rather than under "Records."  When you go under "user submitted trees," it brings up a "Pedigree Resource File" for my "Caroline Conran."  It was submitted 18 Apr 2001, submission ID MM9T-393 , with 10,824 people submitted. I haven't read the webinar to which you referred yet, but I will soon.  But I do wonder if this is the kind of information that is supposed to be under "Community Contributed IGI," and if this information is already available in a different way, or did I completely miss the point? Is there any way to know where information such as the above "Pedigree Resource File" came from in order to check out the information.  In this case, I stumbled on it in Australia, but otherwise I would not have known whether to trust it or not. Thank you for your advice about this. John ----- Original Message ----- From: irl-dublin-request@rootsweb.com To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:51:16 AM Subject: IRL-DUBLIN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 227 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:03:38 +0100 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Incomplete indexed birth: ?infant dead at         birth orsoon after Message-ID: <500E72FA.7030803@sky.com> Hi Cara Maybe its just the way I read your post but with respect you seem to imply that all batch numbers on newfamilysearch are submitted by other peoples research? The opposite is true at the moment Currently newfamilysearch contains no patron submitted items The IGI is now available on newfamilysearch but contains only extracted data with the submitted data yet to come, the two will be searchable separately When available the submitted data will be called the :- Community Contributed IGI All entries should of course be checked with the original for accuracy, extra detail etc All transcriptions have errors and omissions so its vital to go back to source Some may find the following webinar of interest on searching newfamilysearch http://broadcast.lds.org/eLearning/fhd/Community/en/FamilySearch/Product_Webinars/Robert_Kehrer_-_June_21_2012/Player.html Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24/07/2012 00:40, Cara wrote: > These batch numbers are supplied by researchers like yourself, and they no > nothing more on the child than you have gleaned from their input to the web > site you found it on. > > > When you find in a  Church of Ireland parish register a child with no name > you will find it   mostly always has added information, for instance it may > say Private Baptism, which usually signified a sickly child or mother was > not well or they were of the upper crust elite part of the church. >    I always question these inputs that contain *batch Numbers* or placed in > the LDS files by another researcher, as everyone research is only a > guideline you still have the leg work to do as in regards of proving > anything, nothing unseen by your is proven. >

And this is what I was referring to actually when I was making my first mail, that these are personal inputs with no way of getting back to the submitter, and not the site Nivard was talking of. So it can become confusing so I would like to see Nivard's input to this also. I know there is wrong data submitted by even myself into these Pedigree Sources, and to clarify something else, the LDS actually took down a lot of these pedigrees and are selling them on in a Pedigree Resource File set of CD's-------- it would appear to me they actually have sold them in Volumes as someone has made me a gift of Volume 4. so there is certainly a 1, 2 and 3 if anyone wants to make me that gift as well., everything has a base to be looked at everything can be used as a guide line, but everything needs to be checked at the original source if you can. Cheers Cara -----Original Message----- From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Warther Sent: 25 July 2012 02:23 To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Incomplete indexed birth: ?infant dead at birthorsoon Nivard, I delayed responding with my question because I think it applies to this, and then I read Cara's later apology.  So I thought I better get my question in... Anyway, I just found some new information on familysearch.org that was very helpful to me .  However, I could not understand where this information came from until I stumbled on the fact that names and dates are tied to Queensland, Australia vital records, so I think that was the original source in this case, although the records don't show it.  Rather, i t seems to be user-submitted information, and it was found under the "Trees" catagory at familysearch.org, rather than under "Records."  When you go under "user submitted trees," it brings up a "Pedigree Resource File" for my "Caroline Conran."  It was submitted 18 Apr 2001, submission ID MM9T-393 , with 10,824 people submitted. I haven't read the webinar to which you referred yet, but I will soon.  But I do wonder if this is the kind of information that is supposed to be under "Community Contributed IGI," and if this information is already available in a different way, or did I completely miss the point? Is there any way to know where information such as the above "Pedigree Resource File" came from in order to check out the information.  In this case, I stumbled on it in Australia, but otherwise I would not have known whether to trust it or not. Thank you for your advice about this. John ----- Original Message ----- From: irl-dublin-request@rootsweb.com To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:51:16 AM Subject: IRL-DUBLIN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 227 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:03:38 +0100 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Incomplete indexed birth: ?infant dead at         birth orsoon after Message-ID: <500E72FA.7030803@sky.com> Hi Cara Maybe its just the way I read your post but with respect you seem to imply that all batch numbers on newfamilysearch are submitted by other peoples research? The opposite is true at the moment Currently newfamilysearch contains no patron submitted items The IGI is now available on newfamilysearch but contains only extracted data with the submitted data yet to come, the two will be searchable separately When available the submitted data will be called the :- Community Contributed IGI All entries should of course be checked with the original for accuracy, extra detail etc All transcriptions have errors and omissions so its vital to go back to source Some may find the following webinar of interest on searching newfamilysearch http://broadcast.lds.org/eLearning/fhd/Community/en/FamilySearch/Product_Web inars/Robert_Kehrer_-_June_21_2012/Player.html Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24/07/2012 00:40, Cara wrote: > These batch numbers are supplied by researchers like yourself, and they no > nothing more on the child than you have gleaned from their input to the web > site you found it on. > > > When you find in a  Church of Ireland parish register a child with no name > you will find it   mostly always has added information, for instance it may > say Private Baptism, which usually signified a sickly child or mother was > not well or they were of the upper crust elite part of the church. >    I always question these inputs that contain *batch Numbers* or placed in > the LDS files by another researcher, as everyone research is only a > guideline you still have the leg work to do as in regards of proving > anything, nothing unseen by your is proven. > ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. 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