Hello list, I continue researching the Gardiner CURTIS-Catherine HAWKINS family of Dublin city. I've found baptism and/or birth records between 1839 and 1860 for ten of their children. At familysearch.org, I also found this incomplete 1866 record: name: Curtis gender: Male baptism/christening date: baptism/christening place: birth date: 22 Jul 1866 birthplace: 0550,DUBLIN,DUBLIN,IRELAND death date: name note: race: father's name: Gardiner Curtis father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Catherine Hawkins mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C70129-3 system origin: Ireland-ODM source film number: 101131 reference number: Source Citation "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F52B-DLB : accessed 23 July 2012), Curtis, 1866 I cannot find any additional information on this child (e.g., baptismal record, death record). Is it possible that a record without the child's forename exists because the infant died at birth or soon after? This would have been a very late birth for Catherine, who was probably born within 15-20 years of her first child's birth in 1839. Thanks for any thoughts. PJ, Texas

Hi PJ, I have quite a few of these in my family & in my case the children all survived. I think it is often that when the birth was registered the name hadn't yet been decided. >From Jenny, Sydney, Australia My Family History Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~becher/index.htm -----Original Message----- name: Curtis gender: Male baptism/christening date: baptism/christening place: birth date: 22 Jul 1866 birthplace: 0550,DUBLIN,DUBLIN,IRELAND I cannot find any additional information on this child (e.g., baptismal record, death record). Is it possible that a record without the child's forename exists because the infant died at birth or soon after? PJ, Texas

These batch numbers are supplied by researchers like yourself, and they no nothing more on the child than you have gleaned from their input to the web site you found it on. When you find in a Church of Ireland parish register a child with no name you will find it mostly always has added information, for instance it may say Private Baptism, which usually signified a sickly child or mother was not well or they were of the upper crust elite part of the church. I always question these inputs that contain *batch Numbers* or placed in the LDS files by another researcher, as everyone research is only a guideline you still have the leg work to do as in regards of proving anything, nothing unseen by your is proven. But it does not always work this way, I am basing this on a lot of parish registers Church of Ireland that I have transcribed and worked in over many years. In the case of a child that died most registers state the child died. In the case of Catholic baptism there are many un-named children that Appear in parish registers, whether it is because a childs name has not been chosen or whether it is a case of the child being sick, illegitimate covers this as well they are often just an ILL child in a register, I thought that meant ill, until I was taught, that it meant Illegitimate, then there is the child who is named after a child that has died, and that could continue for several children, it was the custom of the day, and it continues in my own family today, and as an aside I tell you this, every male child born into my family be it nephew, cousin, or grandchild they carry the name Dale in their name somewhere, that is going to confuse the researchers of tomorrow. Do not be fooled into thinking because you have located data on a net site it is correct, everything should be checked if possible against the original, or at least it should state clearly in your works, *unproven found at such a such a site* too much is making the internet an accessible place to dump research and then not go back and correct it, I hold my hand up as guilty to that also, as over the years internet ID changes and you cannot access where you left the data, so allow that some will be correct some will be way off, and based on that timely old this again *folk lore* So these are my thoughts. I can see the Curtis research is bringing you joy and frustration, but that is the wonder of Irish research, or perhaps any research but as one girl used to say * my Irish ancestors hide and I seek* good luck Cara -----Original Message----- From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of pjsalis@hal-pc.org Sent: 24 July 2012 07:07 To: Dublin list Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Incomplete indexed birth: ?infant dead at birth orsoon after Hello list, I continue researching the Gardiner CURTIS-Catherine HAWKINS family of Dublin city. I've found baptism and/or birth records between 1839 and 1860 for ten of their children. At familysearch.org, I also found this incomplete 1866 record: name: Curtis gender: Male baptism/christening date: baptism/christening place: birth date: 22 Jul 1866 birthplace: 0550,DUBLIN,DUBLIN,IRELAND death date: name note: race: father's name: Gardiner Curtis father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Catherine Hawkins mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C70129-3 system origin: Ireland-ODM source film number: 101131 reference number: Source Citation "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F52B-DLB : accessed 23 July 2012), Curtis, 1866 I cannot find any additional information on this child (e.g., baptismal record, death record). Is it possible that a record without the child's forename exists because the infant died at birth or soon after? This would have been a very late birth for Catherine, who was probably born within 15-20 years of her first child's birth in 1839. Thanks for any thoughts. PJ, Texas ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5147 - Release Date: 07/22/12