Valerie: I am not disputing anything that has been said. I wrote to the cemetery and Mr. Massey the keeper of the cemetery wrote back and gave the following: John Gordon Lewis son in law of deceased and where he was living at the time. That he signed for the interment of my g uncle Joseph Anderson Holland. Someone has to take responsibility for opening the grave and to give permission to bury if there is any family to do so. Do not know where Mr. Massey got his information, however, it was correct. He was so gracious to answer both letters and give so freely his information. This is all I have to go on. The info had to be there, otherwise he would not have known. With the name of John Gordon Lewis I discovered which daughter he had married and found a g g granddaughter of John Gordon Lewis who lives in England also. We are working together now to search for the remainder of this family that I have been searching since 1977. Shirley sdholland@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Valerie Garton" <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:26 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Mt Jerome Cemetery > Yes but you did not see the hard copy and you are assuming that what the > employee wrote is correct. It must be remembered that this is only his > interpretation of what he thinks the register said. > > The source should show this not Mt Jerome Register but Mr Doe's > interpretation of the Register. > > > > Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. > Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & > Wexford > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Holland > Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2007 12:35 AM > To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Mt Jerome Cemetery > > > If you ask they will tell you who signed for the "interment" That is how > I found a daughter. > > Shirley USA > > sdholland@mindspring.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Valerie Garton" <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> > To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 7:29 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Mt Jerome Cemetery > > >> Hi Bill. >> >> I might be going whilst I am in Dublin so give me the details. >> >> I notice that these graves are not in perpetuity but you should look >> at the register to see who was the attestant. This will give you their > >> relationship to the family AND their signature which could be useful >> in identify the person in other documents. >> >> No promises here. >> >> Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. >> Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & >> Wexford >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Websters >> Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2007 8:15 AM >> To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Mt Jerome Cemetery >> >> >> 1) Thank you to all for your advice and help last month. To let > you >> know >> what happened, I did write to the Mt Jerome Caretaker enclosing a self > >> addressed envelope together with an international postal coupon >> obtained >> >> from my local PO. Today I was delighted to receive from him (her?) a >> map of the cemetery with the 2 relevant plots highlighted. On the >> reverse of this, >> s/he has notated the burials at those plots, date of burial and age. >> Also >> there was some information about the achievements and address of one > of >> those buried but I cannot tell whether this is from common knowledge > or >> from >> records. S/he has not quoted any burial dockets or other documentary > or >> >> family information. >> >> 2) Further help!? Might SKS be planning to visit Mt Jerome, with a >> camera? I now know exactly where the 2 adjacent plots are, just >> inside the maion gates and to the right a short distance. Also, with >> knowledge of the >> plot numbers, might a few minutes taking notes from the burial > registers >> at >> the office be possible? I would be supremely grateful. >> >> Best wishes to all, >> >> Bill Webster >> Sydney. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

What Shirley writes make perfectly good sense to me, what Valerie is writing is that you have to take the word of the person giving you the copy from the burial register in this case I would think, BUT what you dont know is that they are not obligated to show you the hard copy of anything in Ireland You may go to see the priest, and request a look at his registers, if hes an obliging priest and not busy he may give you a small look, but most priests I have been to have done the looking themselves and sent on the data, so are we going to then say, well the priest looked at the book and he has put his interpretation on it also, you can say that of many things, but some of us, have to beleive in the good intentions of others, as funds are not available to go to the area to research. I do worry about the bogus researcher who does take money and give you whatever it is you want to hear, and dissappears into the sunset, but in Mr Massey;s case he had nothing to gain and I feel what SHirley has said make perfectly good sense. Valerie also has a perfectly good point, but you all have to be aware, that not all hard copies in Ireland are open to the eyes of the family researcher. Take Care Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shirley Holland" <sdholland@mindspring.com> To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Mt Jerome Cemetery > Valerie: I am not disputing anything that has been said. I wrote to the > cemetery and Mr. Massey the keeper of the cemetery wrote back and gave the > following: > John Gordon Lewis son in law of deceased and where he was living at the > time. That he signed for the interment of my g uncle Joseph Anderson > Holland. Someone has to take responsibility for opening the grave and to > give permission to bury if there is any family to do so. Do not know > where > Mr. Massey got his information, however, it was correct. He was so > gracious > to answer both letters and give so freely his information. This is all I > have to go on. The info had to be there, otherwise he would not have > known. > With the name of John Gordon Lewis I discovered which daughter he had > married and found a g g granddaughter of John Gordon Lewis who lives in > England also. We are working together now to search for the remainder of > this family that I have been searching since 1977. > > Shirley > sdholland@mindspring.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Valerie Garton" <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> > To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:26 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Mt Jerome Cemetery > > >> Yes but you did not see the hard copy and you are assuming that what the >> employee wrote is correct. It must be remembered that this is only his >> interpretation of what he thinks the register said. >> >> The source should show this not Mt Jerome Register but Mr Doe's >> interpretation of the Register. >> >> >> >> Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. >> Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & >> Wexford >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Shirley Holland >> Sent: Thursday, 6 September 2007 12:35 AM >> To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Mt Jerome Cemetery >> >> >> If you ask they will tell you who signed for the "interment" That is how >> I found a daughter. >> >> Shirley USA >> >> sdholland@mindspring.com >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Valerie Garton" <vbgarton@optusnet.com.au> >> To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 7:29 AM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Mt Jerome Cemetery >> >> >>> Hi Bill. >>> >>> I might be going whilst I am in Dublin so give me the details. >>> >>> I notice that these graves are not in perpetuity but you should look >>> at the register to see who was the attestant. This will give you their >> >>> relationship to the family AND their signature which could be useful >>> in identify the person in other documents. >>> >>> No promises here. >>> >>> Regards from Valerie in sunny Sydney. >>> Researching: BEDDY, CULLODEN, DYAS and ROWAN in Dublin, Wicklow & >>> Wexford >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The Websters >>> Sent: Wednesday, 5 September 2007 8:15 AM >>> To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Mt Jerome Cemetery >>> >>> >>> 1) Thank you to all for your advice and help last month. To let >> you >>> know >>> what happened, I did write to the Mt Jerome Caretaker enclosing a self >> >>> addressed envelope together with an international postal coupon >>> obtained >>> >>> from my local PO. Today I was delighted to receive from him (her?) a >>> map of the cemetery with the 2 relevant plots highlighted. On the >>> reverse of this, >>> s/he has notated the burials at those plots, date of burial and age. >>> Also >>> there was some information about the achievements and address of one >> of >>> those buried but I cannot tell whether this is from common knowledge >> or >>> from >>> records. S/he has not quoted any burial dockets or other documentary >> or >>> >>> family information. >>> >>> 2) Further help!? Might SKS be planning to visit Mt Jerome, with a >>> camera? I now know exactly where the 2 adjacent plots are, just >>> inside the maion gates and to the right a short distance. Also, with >>> knowledge of the >>> plot numbers, might a few minutes taking notes from the burial >> registers >>> at >>> the office be possible? I would be supremely grateful. >>> >>> Best wishes to all, >>> >>> Bill Webster >>> Sydney. >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >