I am in the same boat as John. I have traced my Smullen family back to Monasterevin Parish with three baptism records for three children of Edward (Ned) Smullen and Ellen Morgan. According to US Civil War record their son Patrick was born 5 Jul 1828 his baptism was in August 1828. The date is probably right but it states he was born in Dublin. This has made it pretty hard to locate a marriage record for Edward Smullen born 1802 & Ellen Morgan born 1806. I haven't a clue of nearby parishes which may house their records. Another issue is that with each child their townland changes. They appear in Pass(land), Cowpasture, and Ballagh. But all three were baptized in Monasterevin. Upon arrival in USA Edward worked as a Hostler (worked with horses). I wonder if there would be any kind of records for those who did this kind of work? Are there any other possible records for this time period? Did any tithe allotments survive? Tax records, tenet records. Any clues for the clueless? Melissa Fitzkee 5th generation Irish American In a message dated 11/21/2010 7:01:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: So is there any hope for me ever to find a COI Parish Record of marriage or birth for Counties Dublin, Kildare, Tipperary between 1820 through 1835? I have an ancestor born in Dublin (1820-1835 - various discrepencies in her age from USA census records and obituary ), but with siblings born in Kildare County. I did find a possible marriage record for her parents in 1832 in Dublin at the Irish Geneology site , but if she was really born in the 1820s there could have been a previous wife for her father (which marriage may have occurred in Kildare rather than Dublin . (But maybe she was born in Dublin County and baptized in Kildare County, although the marriage record states that both parents were then living in Dublin.) I also would love to find a COI birth record a generation earlier between 1790 and 1805, probably in Rathangan, County Kildare. I suppose my question is, "Are there any alternative routes to such information?" Consider me stuck. John -------------------------------------- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:37:47 EST From: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] IRL[DUBLIN] Records found in Dublin To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The following taken from the web: _http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#testamentary_collections_ (http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#testamentary_collections) >>The records were all destroyed in 1922 << No, they weren't. The Public Record Office in Dublin was indeed destroyed during the Irish Civil War in 1922, along with virtually all its holdings. >From the point of view of genealogy, the most significant losses were the 19th-century census returns, the Church of Ireland parish registers and the _testamentary collections_ (http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#testamentary_collections) . Anything not in the PRO has survived, including non-Church of Ireland parish records, civil records of births, marriages and deaths, property records and later censuses. For much of the material that was lost, there are abstracts, transcripts and fragments of the originals. >>Irish research is impossibly difficult << To the contrary, there is actually quite a compact set of relevant records, almost all held centrally in Dublin or Belfast. If you start with enough information - in particular, a place of origin in Ireland - research is actually very straightforward. >>All the records for Northern Ireland are held in Belfast and those for the Republic of Ireland are in Dublin << Wrong again. Until 1922 the entire island was one administrative unit. Both Dublin and Belfast _repositories_ (http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#repositories) have at least copies of the pre-1922 records, with those in Belfast largely, but not completely, confined to the nine historic counties of Ulster. It is only after 1922 that the records are different. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Snip-I wonder if there would be any kind of records for those who did this kind of work? Snap -None that I have ever seen You say your child was born in 1828 Dublin, but the townland appears to be unknown? is this so? It never mattered if the townland changed, as it was the church they attended that held the parish registers, with their childs name in it. But if you have a child born in Dublin in 1828, that suggests to me that they were most likely married in Dublin, or they would have at least been married in the womans parish and went to live in his if it was not the same as hers. Without a place name or townland for Dublin this will be hard and all data that you are needing acess to, is not on the internet, Dublin records Tithe Books 1823-1838 There is more but as I am trying to sort mails and catch up since this last debacle, I will have to take a rain check and stop and type these after I catch up on mails. Sorry Cara I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter