Hi Nivard, Thank you for the e-mail received, it is so nice to hear from you again. Yes, I have been ordering birth cert for a number of Fredericks, the thing is I am still not sure where he was born. There are a few families that have the names and the time frame is correct but then say for instance Frederick are missing. Or the three sons with the mother named Annie are correct then the father is James. I AM SO FRUSTRATED, believe me. But I am not giving up and will continue to locate - as you have said - that one particular drop in the Ocean!!! You must enjoy a wonderful day, Regards, Karin. Hi Karin I wish you well in your quest but suspect its more like trying to locate one particular drop of water in the Ocean than a five cent coin :-( But stranger things have been known to happen <g> Have you tried for a birth cert for Frederick Ernest ? that seems the most logical course Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5503 (20101004) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com