Hi again Cara and all Not sure if its been mentioned on this list so forgive me if I am repeating things The "old" familysearch is now no more and trying old links will take you to the "new" familysearch The search is different and does appear to return duplicate hits but you will soon get used to it and it is improving all the time (the apparent duplicates are for example one hit for the father of a child and another for the child, same information in a different order) Using the available filters will help narrow down the results New familysearch has so much more to offer than the old site and the major reason for the change to the new was to make more information available in various forms https://www.familysearch.org/ Apart from the search capabilities it now has , children to parent search, batch number search etc etc there is a huge amount on the new site which some may not have explored as yet For example if you go to familysearch as above link, scroll down and on the bottom left you will find "Free Courses" click that and you will be surprised just how many and how diverse they are , there are nine for Ireland specific , all free and all available at any time you want to view them but many more for other Countries and subjects Another very under stated resource is the "Books" link from the home page A search for Dublin gets over 4,000 hits already and this is still in beta and is being added to all the time Ireland gets over 17,000 hits A search for the recently asked about name MCCOLOUGH gets 26 hits When you find something of interest you can download a PDF of the book to read or save, do be patient as its not instant but well worth the wait usually Then there is the "All Record Collections" link from the home page, most if not all of us have people in or from many locations around the globe, there is such a huge amount available, there is probably something available for everyone and this too is being added to all the time NB When you click the All Record Collections link give it time to populate the list, there is such a huge amount it takes a few seconds to load up, when loaded you can search for any Country or Region as desired Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Excellent, Nivard Despite frequent searches using different search entries, I missed this one. I just found it using no forename, Curtis surname, and down below Catherine no surname as parent. I note that what has usually been Gardiner is spelled Gardener here. I haven't yet come across a Curtis in this family named Benjamin; I'll have to watch for that name now, too. Many, many thanks for finding this record for me. As for the intergenerational-intervals article, granted its conclusions may not be easily extrapolated to our Irish Catholic populations of the 18th or 19th centuries, but it does caution that rule-of-thumb calculations using generation lengths should be considered gross estimates. Thanks again. PJ

Nivard there are 3 currently existing familysearch.org The newish one (familysearch.org), and from this you can get to the "Old" familysearch if you need to. the new.familysearch.org which is where the user contributed information lives (and you have to be a church member of someone who transcribes and they are kind enough to give you entry, but you must apply) and where you can add your tree sources and all. Eliz On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > Hi again Cara and all > > Not sure if its been mentioned on this list so forgive me if I am > repeating things > > The "old" familysearch is now no more and trying old links will take you > to the "new" familysearch > > The search is different and does appear to return duplicate hits but you > will soon get used to it and it is improving all the time > (the apparent duplicates are for example one hit for the father of a > child and another for the child, same information in a different order) > > Using the available filters will help narrow down the results > > New familysearch has so much more to offer than the old site and the > major reason for the change to the new was to make more information > available in various forms > > https://www.familysearch.org/ > > Apart from the search capabilities it now has , children to parent > search, batch number search etc etc there is a huge amount on the new > site which some may not have explored as yet > > For example if you go to familysearch as above link, scroll down and on > the bottom left you will find "Free Courses" click that and you will be > surprised just how many and how diverse they are , there are nine for > Ireland specific , all free and all available at any time you want to > view them but many more for other Countries and subjects > > Another very under stated resource is the "Books" link from the home page > > A search for Dublin gets over 4,000 hits already and this is still in > beta and is being added to all the time > > Ireland gets over 17,000 hits > > A search for the recently asked about name MCCOLOUGH gets 26 hits > > When you find something of interest you can download a PDF of the book > to read or save, do be patient as its not instant but well worth the > wait usually > > Then there is the "All Record Collections" link from the home page, most > if not all of us have people in or from many locations around the globe, > there is such a huge amount available, there is probably something > available for everyone and this too is being added to all the time > > NB When you click the All Record Collections link give it time to > populate the list, there is such a huge amount it takes a few seconds to > load up, when loaded you can search for any Country or Region as desired > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They were triplets? It is more common than you think for twins or triplets to be born days or even weeks apart, just mail your local maternity hosp. + they will confirm. Maggie On 22 Jul 2012, at 17:17, "Jon's FH" <jons.fh@btinternet.com> wrote: Hi folks, There’s a head banging session going on here, can anyone help? James Poole, born 20 Nov 1877, bapt at St Michan, Dublin on 7 Jan 1878, Parents: Wesley Poole and Sarah Kerivan of 57 Wellington St George Poole, born 26 Nov 1877, bapt at Bethseda Chapel, Dublin on 11 Jan 1878 Dublin. Parents Wesley and Sarah Poole. Father a printer of Wellington St. Wesley Poole, born 26 Nov 1877, bapt at Bethesda Chapel, Dublin on 11 Jan 1878 , Parents: Wesley and Sarah Poole. Father: Printer of Wellington St. Best wishes, Jon ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi my name is Graham I am a newbie to this mailing list but I have been searching for my roots for many years. I have found one record of a ship with McColough's aboard from Warrenpoint a town some 80 km North of Dublin near Newry around 1808 leaving for Nova Scotia. The family records seem to say they went to Nova Scotia In small groups sometime between 1780 and 1810? The Census records of Nova Scotia are excellent and the family have stated they come from Ireland,(no town or county). Folk law says we come from Armagh. I have seen grave stones with the name McColough on a church in Dromore near Belfast. While some of the family stayed in Nova Scotia and become successful farmers others migrated to America in the Massachusetts and Connecticut areas while others my direct line migrated from Nova Scotia to Melbourne, Australia, in 1852. As Australian shipping records were good at that time I can trace the journey and arrival accurately. I have tried for DNA matching and searches of graves but have yet to find proof that the McColough's existed for any length of time in any part of Ireland or if they changed their name. It would seem on the surface they just disappeared no trace of them exists in Ireland at this time that is known. If anyone can point me in the right direction regarding shipping from Warrenpoint, or the surname McColough or place of dwelling or any time line of events at that time that may lead me to further my research I would appreciate the gesture. Graham McColough Melbourne Australia <mailto:graham@mccolough.net> graham@mccolough.net

Hi, when searching for Northern Ireland names, I find the 'PRONI' site very helpfull. Also try variations like McCullough, MacCollough etc. Google 'McCoullagh Armagh' , there's a few hits for this variation. Maggie On 24 Jul 2012, at 03:30, "Graham" <graham@mccolough.net> wrote: Hi my name is Graham I am a newbie to this mailing list but I have been searching for my roots for many years. I have found one record of a ship with McColough's aboard from Warrenpoint a town some 80 km North of Dublin near Newry around 1808 leaving for Nova Scotia. The family records seem to say they went to Nova Scotia In small groups sometime between 1780 and 1810? The Census records of Nova Scotia are excellent and the family have stated they come from Ireland,(no town or county). Folk law says we come from Armagh. I have seen grave stones with the name McColough on a church in Dromore near Belfast. While some of the family stayed in Nova Scotia and become successful farmers others migrated to America in the Massachusetts and Connecticut areas while others my direct line migrated from Nova Scotia to Melbourne, Australia, in 1852. As Australian shipping records were good at that time I can trace the journey and arrival accurately. I have tried for DNA matching and searches of graves but have yet to find proof that the McColough's existed for any length of time in any part of Ireland or if they changed their name. It would seem on the surface they just disappeared no trace of them exists in Ireland at this time that is known. If anyone can point me in the right direction regarding shipping from Warrenpoint, or the surname McColough or place of dwelling or any time line of events at that time that may lead me to further my research I would appreciate the gesture. Graham McColough Melbourne Australia <mailto:graham@mccolough.net> graham@mccolough.net ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In my recent post about an incomplete indexed birth, I noted that the 1866 birth of male-baby Curtis was a very late birth for the child's mother, Catherine, and I wondered if the incomplete index entry may have signaled that the child died at or soon after birth. I had three reasons for this question: * I figured that Catherine married no later than 1838, since her first-known child (John) was baptized in May 1839, and that she would have been age 15-20 when she married. That would make her birth date 1818-1823. If those dates were correct, in 1866 she would have been age 43-48 * There was a six-year gap between the 1860 birth of what I had previously assumed was her last-known child (Martha Elizabeth) and this 1866 birth. * She had already borne at least ten children, and surely that could have affected her ability to deliver a healthy baby in her 40's. Now I am wondering what the typical successful childbearing period was for women in Dublin of the 1800's. I don't have an answer yet, but I've just come across a very interesting 2000 article on estimating what's called "intergenerational intervals." The article is rather technical because it concerns work on genetic mutations across generations, and the importance in that work of what number is used as the length of a generation, but it's worth scanning. Of note is that the authors' data came from generations of a largely Catholic population in Canada. Here's the concluding paragraph: "In summary, our results may be more applicable to studies on populations covering a relatively recent period than to those going back to prehistoric times. Nevertheless, without any other reliable evidence on the length and evolution of intergenerational intervals in human populations, we suggest that the average value of 30 years per generation should be chosen instead of the usual 20 or 25 years." Source: New Estimates of Intergenerational Time Intervals for the Calculation of Age and Origins of Mutations, by Marc Tremblay and Hélène Vézina. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1288116/ PJ, Texas

Hi Cara Maybe its just the way I read your post but with respect you seem to imply that all batch numbers on newfamilysearch are submitted by other peoples research? The opposite is true at the moment The batch mentioned by the poster C70129-3 is an extraction from the births indexes Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, 1864-1955, with index to births, 1864-1921 authors: Ireland. General Register Office Ireland. General Register Office Ireland. Custom House format: Manuscript/Manuscript on Film language: English publication: Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1953-1954, 1960-1961 physical: 1034 microfilm reels ; 35 mm. Notes Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes are available online, click here. Microfilm of original records in the General Registry, Custom House, Dublin. Births v. 12 1866 Family History Library BRITISH Film 101131 Currently newfamilysearch contains no patron submitted items The IGI is now available on newfamilysearch but contains only extracted data with the submitted data yet to come, the two will be searchable separately When available the submitted data will be called the :- Community Contributed IGI All entries should of course be checked with the original for accuracy, extra detail etc All transcriptions have errors and omissions so its vital to go back to source Some may find the following webinar of interest on searching newfamilysearch <http://broadcast.lds.org/eLearning/fhd/Community/en/FamilySearch/Product_Webinars/Robert_Kehrer_-_June_21_2012/Player.html> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24/07/2012 00:40, Cara wrote: > These batch numbers are supplied by researchers like yourself, and they no > nothing more on the child than you have gleaned from their input to the web > site you found it on. > > > When you find in a Church of Ireland parish register a child with no name > you will find it mostly always has added information, for instance it may > say Private Baptism, which usually signified a sickly child or mother was > not well or they were of the upper crust elite part of the church. > I always question these inputs that contain *batch Numbers* or placed in > the LDS files by another researcher, as everyone research is only a > guideline you still have the leg work to do as in regards of proving > anything, nothing unseen by your is proven. >

These batch numbers are supplied by researchers like yourself, and they no nothing more on the child than you have gleaned from their input to the web site you found it on. When you find in a Church of Ireland parish register a child with no name you will find it mostly always has added information, for instance it may say Private Baptism, which usually signified a sickly child or mother was not well or they were of the upper crust elite part of the church. I always question these inputs that contain *batch Numbers* or placed in the LDS files by another researcher, as everyone research is only a guideline you still have the leg work to do as in regards of proving anything, nothing unseen by your is proven. But it does not always work this way, I am basing this on a lot of parish registers Church of Ireland that I have transcribed and worked in over many years. In the case of a child that died most registers state the child died. In the case of Catholic baptism there are many un-named children that Appear in parish registers, whether it is because a childs name has not been chosen or whether it is a case of the child being sick, illegitimate covers this as well they are often just an ILL child in a register, I thought that meant ill, until I was taught, that it meant Illegitimate, then there is the child who is named after a child that has died, and that could continue for several children, it was the custom of the day, and it continues in my own family today, and as an aside I tell you this, every male child born into my family be it nephew, cousin, or grandchild they carry the name Dale in their name somewhere, that is going to confuse the researchers of tomorrow. Do not be fooled into thinking because you have located data on a net site it is correct, everything should be checked if possible against the original, or at least it should state clearly in your works, *unproven found at such a such a site* too much is making the internet an accessible place to dump research and then not go back and correct it, I hold my hand up as guilty to that also, as over the years internet ID changes and you cannot access where you left the data, so allow that some will be correct some will be way off, and based on that timely old this again *folk lore* So these are my thoughts. I can see the Curtis research is bringing you joy and frustration, but that is the wonder of Irish research, or perhaps any research but as one girl used to say * my Irish ancestors hide and I seek* good luck Cara -----Original Message----- From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of pjsalis@hal-pc.org Sent: 24 July 2012 07:07 To: Dublin list Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Incomplete indexed birth: ?infant dead at birth orsoon after Hello list, I continue researching the Gardiner CURTIS-Catherine HAWKINS family of Dublin city. I've found baptism and/or birth records between 1839 and 1860 for ten of their children. At familysearch.org, I also found this incomplete 1866 record: name: Curtis gender: Male baptism/christening date: baptism/christening place: birth date: 22 Jul 1866 birthplace: 0550,DUBLIN,DUBLIN,IRELAND death date: name note: race: father's name: Gardiner Curtis father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Catherine Hawkins mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C70129-3 system origin: Ireland-ODM source film number: 101131 reference number: Source Citation "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F52B-DLB : accessed 23 July 2012), Curtis, 1866 I cannot find any additional information on this child (e.g., baptismal record, death record). Is it possible that a record without the child's forename exists because the infant died at birth or soon after? This would have been a very late birth for Catherine, who was probably born within 15-20 years of her first child's birth in 1839. Thanks for any thoughts. PJ, Texas ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2197 / Virus Database: 2437/5147 - Release Date: 07/22/12

Hi PJ, I have quite a few of these in my family & in my case the children all survived. I think it is often that when the birth was registered the name hadn't yet been decided. >From Jenny, Sydney, Australia My Family History Website: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~becher/index.htm -----Original Message----- name: Curtis gender: Male baptism/christening date: baptism/christening place: birth date: 22 Jul 1866 birthplace: 0550,DUBLIN,DUBLIN,IRELAND I cannot find any additional information on this child (e.g., baptismal record, death record). Is it possible that a record without the child's forename exists because the infant died at birth or soon after? PJ, Texas

Hi, the Liffey does indeed seperate the North side from the South side of Dublin. Present day Dublin is divided into postal areas. All the uneven numbers are Northside, ie, Dublin 1 is O'Connell street and suroundings on the North side. All even numbers are on the South side, ie, Dublin 2 is Trinity College and suroundings on the South side. There is one exception to this rule, Dublin 8 (even number) includes O'Deveney Gardens and the Pheonix park and surounds which is on the North side. A google map will show the side streets leading off the Liffey quays but if you have specific streets that you are searching for, let me know. Maggie On 23 Jul 2012, at 21:28, pjsalis@hal-pc.org wrote: Hello all, I can't find a detailed map or a list that names the street boundaries of the North Dublin and South Dublin Registration Districts. The general map I found suggests that the River Liffey separates them, but I want to know both if that's correct and the names of streets on all sides. A good map reference and boundary list would do the job. Thanks. PJ, Texas ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Last time I got events like this it turn out that Yellow Fever was endemic in Memphis Tennessee. My other events like this were cholera. Eliz On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 7:07 PM, <pjsalis@hal-pc.org> wrote: > > Hello kin-sleuths, > > What do you think? Are these 1874 events in three generations of Gardiner > Curtises coincidences or not? Or was there some dangerous event in 1874 > Dublin history? > > Gardiner Curtis, patriarch: Death registered 1874, age 58, North Dublin > Reg. Dist.; Vol. 12, Pg. 362 (https://familysearch.org) > > Gardiner Curtis, partiarch's son: Death registered 1874, age 28, North > Dublin Reg. Dist.; Vol. 7, Pg. 452 (https://familysearch.org) > > Gardiner Curtis, patriarch's grandson: Born 1874 Sep 12, address 21 Coles > Lane (North Dublin); Baptised 1874 Sep 21, St. Mary Pro, (North Dublin); , > no Vol. or Pg. numbers > (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/) > > Thanks for any thoughts. > > PJ, Texas > > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello kin-sleuths, What do you think? Are these 1874 events in three generations of Gardiner Curtises coincidences or not? Or was there some dangerous event in 1874 Dublin history? Gardiner Curtis, patriarch: Death registered 1874, age 58, North Dublin Reg. Dist.; Vol. 12, Pg. 362 (https://familysearch.org) Gardiner Curtis, partiarch's son: Death registered 1874, age 28, North Dublin Reg. Dist.; Vol. 7, Pg. 452 (https://familysearch.org) Gardiner Curtis, patriarch's grandson: Born 1874 Sep 12, address 21 Coles Lane (North Dublin); Baptised 1874 Sep 21, St. Mary Pro, (North Dublin); , no Vol. or Pg. numbers (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/) Thanks for any thoughts. PJ, Texas

Hello list, I continue researching the Gardiner CURTIS-Catherine HAWKINS family of Dublin city. I've found baptism and/or birth records between 1839 and 1860 for ten of their children. At familysearch.org, I also found this incomplete 1866 record: name: Curtis gender: Male baptism/christening date: baptism/christening place: birth date: 22 Jul 1866 birthplace: 0550,DUBLIN,DUBLIN,IRELAND death date: name note: race: father's name: Gardiner Curtis father's birthplace: father's age: mother's name: Catherine Hawkins mother's birthplace: mother's age: indexing project (batch) number: C70129-3 system origin: Ireland-ODM source film number: 101131 reference number: Source Citation "Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1881," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F52B-DLB : accessed 23 July 2012), Curtis, 1866 I cannot find any additional information on this child (e.g., baptismal record, death record). Is it possible that a record without the child's forename exists because the infant died at birth or soon after? This would have been a very late birth for Catherine, who was probably born within 15-20 years of her first child's birth in 1839. Thanks for any thoughts. PJ, Texas

Hello all, I can't find a detailed map or a list that names the street boundaries of the North Dublin and South Dublin Registration Districts. The general map I found suggests that the River Liffey separates them, but I want to know both if that's correct and the names of streets on all sides. A good map reference and boundary list would do the job. Thanks. PJ, Texas

Hi Nivard, Thanks very much for your reply! Originally I had George’s birth as 1874 from Ancestry myself, but got confused when I found the bapt record for him in 1878 with the same birth date as Wesley of 26 Nov 1877. It’s got a little more confusing as a very kind lister (who I will be replying to offlist shortly) has sent me some very interesting burials, including: James Poole, 1878, aged 10 months. That adds up nicely! George Poole, 1879, aged 9. (??? 9? That gives a birth year of approx 1870, if it should have been 9 months he’d have been too young. Different George?) Wesley Poole, 1879, aged 1. Again, this adds up nicely even though his bapt record doesn’t appear on Ancestry! And, just a couple of years prior to the 2nd marriage I have for Wesley, his wife’s burial Sarah Poole, 1897, aged 50. With the birth and baptism record I have for Sarah, this again adds up very nicely! So, the baptism of James, should it actually read the 26 not 20 as per Geo and Wesley? I can understand a 6 and 0 being confused more so than a 1 and 7, 3 and 5, or 3 and 8, which I’ve seen a fair bit of in the past. But why bapt him in a different church 4 days before Geo and Wesley? Does ancestry for some reason have George’s birth year as 1874 in error? It’s easy done, seen it before on an ancestry’s London marriage record with my Nixey’s that you may or may not recall, oddly enough, in the 1870s. Could James, George and Wesley have been triplets? If the burial of George should be 9mo rather than 9yr, it would make more sense, even if his age was a little out. Again I’ve seen this on a family burial in Sussex where the age of 19mo was transcribed as 19yr. It’s so easilly done. Very many thanks for your input Nivard, it’s appreciated as always! Best wishes, Jon

I would think about Scot Irish with that name! <G> ELiz On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 11:45 PM, <kopfler@i-55.com> wrote: > > My great great grandfather, Laurence DANIEL, came to United States from > Ireland (County Kilkenny we think) in about 1848. DANIEL does not strike me > as an Irish surname, but family lore has it that his son, Philip, added Mac > to the name when he left home at 19 because MACDANIEL sounds more Scottish. > I suppose this was an attempt to make it easier for him to find work. > DANIEL does not seem to be a common name in Ireland. Does anyone have any > idea of how many people in Ireland have that surname? > Fred Kopfler > > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jon I wonder if its a transcription error and the second should be James ? From Ancestry I found Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911 about George Poole Name: George Poole Gender: Male Birth Date: 20 Nov 1877 Birth Place: Dublin, Ireland Father's Name: Weley Poole Mother's name: Sarah Kernan Poole FHL Film Number: 255998 Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911 about James Poole Name: James Poole Gender: Male Birth Date: 20 Nov 1877 Birth Place: Dublin, Ireland Father's Name: Weley Poole Mother's name: Sarah Kernan Poole FHL Film Number: 255998 And the following other children it appears to the same couple Birth Date Birth Place Parents' Names Maria Poole 31 Oct 1869 Ashford, Wick, Ireland Wesley Poole, Sarah Kerwan Maria Poole 31 Oct 1869 Wicklow, Ireland Wesley Poole, Sarah Kerwan William Poole 31 Oct 1869 Ashford, Wick, Ireland Wesley Poole, Sarah Kerwan William Poole 31 Oct 1869 Wicklow, Ireland Wesley Poole, Sarah Kerwan Anne Poole 8 Jan 1872 No 4, Dub, Ireland Wesley Poole, Sarah Kirwan Anne Poole 8 Jan 1872 No 4, Dub, Ireland Wesley Poole, Sarah Kirwan George Poole 11 Jan 1874 No 4, Dub, Ireland Wesley Poole, Sarah Kervan George Poole 11 Jan 1874 Dublin, Ireland Wesley Poole, Sarah Kervan George Poole 11 Jan 1874 Ireland Wesley Poole, Sarah Kervan Christina Poole 25 Dec 1879 Dublin, Dublin, Ireland Wesley Poole, Sarah Kerivan Poole Henry Poole 25 Dec 1879 Dublin, Dublin, Ireland Wesley Poole, Sarah Kerivan Poole Historical Records > Birth, Marriage & Death, including Parish > Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911 Source Information: Ancestry.com. Ireland, Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911 [database on-line]. Provo, UT: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2011. Original data: Ireland Births and Baptisms, 1620–1911. Index. Salt Lake City, Utah: Family Search. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22/07/2012 17:17, Jon's FH wrote: > Hi folks, > > There’s a head banging session going on here, can anyone help? > > James Poole, born 20 Nov 1877, bapt at St Michan, Dublin on 7 Jan 1878, Parents: Wesley Poole and Sarah Kerivan of 57 Wellington St > George Poole, born 26 Nov 1877, bapt at Bethseda Chapel, Dublin on 11 Jan 1878 Dublin. Parents Wesley and Sarah Poole. Father a printer of Wellington St. > Wesley Poole, born 26 Nov 1877, bapt at Bethesda Chapel, Dublin on 11 Jan 1878 , Parents: Wesley and Sarah Poole. Father: Printer of Wellington St. > > Best wishes, > > Jon

Hi Margaret The Chelsea pension records vary enormously from 2 pages to many (most early ones are 2 pages, post 1850 4 or more) A better description would be the service records for those eligible for an Army pension For Christopher there are 4 pages, and 6 for Vincent There is a basic description on attestation, notes of previous service (usually in the militia) any scars, marks height etc Then service and any penalties, courts martial etc and in both cases notes on convictions Christopher was in much longer than Vincent and served in South Africa amongst other places Vincent was discharged for offences committed before enlistment, but while in the Army was convicted of using threatening language and damaging public property Personally I would want all the pages, unfortunately findmypast do not allow look ups as such If you have an LDS near enough they may have access to FMP Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 22/07/2012 16:37, Margaret Cambridge wrote: > Hi Nivard, > What kind of information do the Chelsea Pension Records include? I have a > Christopher, b 1875 Dublin who was in the East Yorkshire Regiment & Vincent > POOLE b 1881 born Dublin > in the Royal Irish Fusiliers. I believe both men spent time behind bars. > Both men were also involved with the IRA. > Would the records give reasons for and periods of incarceration? > > I see their names on FMP and wonder if it would be worth the cost to > purchase the record. > > Thank you, > > Marg