Can anyone help with the parish names that each of the following RC baptisms occurred in please. SS Michael and John 1816 St Mary, Pro Cathederal 1831 Thanks Sam

Richard Hamilton Tried on the 12 March 1827 at County Wexford Indicted and found guilty of horse stealing Sentenced to be transported for life Richard's occupation was farm servant Arrived on board the Marquis of Huntley 2 on 30 Jan; 1828 from Cork. On arrival was assigned to Peter McIntyre at the Hunter River and during the same year reassigned to John Street at Bathurst. Edward Coardy or Codry Tried on 16 March 1833 at Kilkenny Ireland Indicted and found guilty of assaulting habitation (housebreaking) Sentenced to be transported for life Edward's occupation was farm servant Arrived on board the Parmelia 2 on 2 March 1834 from Cork. In 1837 he was assigned to John Street at Bathurst NSW. He was issued a Ticket of Leave on 11 May 1842, and allowed to remain in the District of Bathurst on recommendation of the Bench. He was granted a Ticket of Leave Passport on 31 Aug; 1842 that allowed him to proceed beyond the boundaries of Wellington in the service of John Street for a period of twelve months. He was granted a Conditional Pardon 31 Dec; 1847 that gave his full description

Hi Graham, I can't help with your McColoughs but wonder if the spelling was originally McCullagh/MacCullagh/McCourt, etc. I have a Robert MacCullagh who married Emily Wade in Dublin in 1862. I've been searching for him, and them, for ages. Here's what I've found. Robert and Emily were witnesses to a marriage in 1869 in St Catherine’s, Dublin (COI).. Garrett Byrne, Corporal 4th Royals, of the Royal Barracks m. Catherine McCort (McCourt?). Their fathers were both farmers. The regiment was the 4th Royal Irish Dragoon Guards. The Regiment was in England in 1867, Ireland in 1872, England in 1878 - 1882 then went to Egypt. Back to England the same year and to the Sudan in 1884. In 1894 the Regiment went to India and in 1904 were in South Africa. So, Robert may have been a soldier. Or the wife Catherine was simply a friend of Emily's. Or Catherine was actually a relative of Robert's, with different surname spelling?? 1901 1911 Irish censuses: A Robert McCullagh aged 66, watchmaker amd jeweller, was in the 1911 Census, at Main St. Letterkenny Urban DED, Co. Donegal. But with a wife Margaret. A Robert McCullagh aged 61 with no wife but 6 children, was in the 1901 at Brootally, Armagh. Daiughter Minnie. Another aged 63, wife Elizabeth aged 50 and 5 ch, at Mullaghbrack, Armagh Another aged 65 with wife Eliza 45, mo in law Mary and 5 ch at Ballmyre, Armagh. The English Census 1881 has a Robert McCulloch b 1839 Ireland, railway porter visiting in Lancashire. An Ann McCulloch aged 39 thus b. abt 1842 was with him. No Emily of any McCullough variant in the 1881. 1880 USA Census: Robert McCullagh b abt 1840 Ireland, Res. 1880 Chicago, spouse Elizabeth b abt 1845 , child Henry aged 17 thus b. 1863; R R Conductor. 14 others living with them - a boarding house? Robert was head of Household. (Curious he was also with the railways!). There is a Robert McCullagh son of James b 13 Aug 1796 in Of Corfad and Sarah Murdock b 30 Jun 1787, who died 6 April 1892 in 4343 Champlain Ave Chicago Illinois USA. (rootsweb.ancestry.com; Jacksons & relations in Ulster), . No birth date or place given, and no wife or children given. Also a Robert Wallace McCullagh b 23 Sept 1841 Newry Co. Down, d 20 Nov 1867 place not given. son of William McCullagh b 1814 and Sarah Wallace b 24 Oct 1821 in Newry Co. Down. One of 13 children. No other details, no wife etc. Same reference. A Robert McCullagh b abt 1838 aged 72 died in Armagh, ireland in the Jan-Mar quarter 1910. Civil Reg. Film 0101604 Vol 1 p 39. Dig folder no. 4201708, image no --490. Image not available yet on FamilySearch. Another Robert McCullagh b 1837 aged 71 died Cookstown Oct-Dec 1908. (0101604, 1, 345, 4201708, 00203). As you can see I concentrated mainly on the McCullagh spelling. Perhaps I narrowed the field too much. Most of them seemed to come from Armagh. Nancy. > The Census records of Nova Scotia are excellent and the family have stated > they come from Ireland,(no town or county). Folk law says we come from > Armagh. >

Hi there, I have been researching our tree for 20+ years (on and off) but I am a newbie when it comes to research in Dublin.  Is there a website that might provide a list of the resources available for doing research on ancestors from Dublin?  I have done some google searches and stumbled upon some very good resources, but I feel like I am shooting in the dark and I'd like a more strategic approach to this! I am sure that I am missing some worthwhile sources. I have done a bit of research in N. Ireland -- is there something similar to PRONI for Dublin? BTW - the ancestors I have identified thus far lived in Dublin from about 1850-1900 time period. They lived on Strand Road in Sandymount at "Rear of Belvidere Cottages." They were Catholic and I have located the baptism and burial location for some of them. I am working mostly from old letters which amazingly survived all this time -- written by Edward HAYDEN Sr (in Dublin) to his son Edward James HAYDEN Jr. (in NY).  The people mentioned in these letters lived in Merrion, Dublin, and Burkes. Based on baptismal records, it appears that Edward Hayden Sr. was married to Margaret MERRIGAN. I appreciate any pointers you can offer! Kind regard, Debbie

Thankyou Nivard I stand corrected, my feelings were that this was as in the past where there were batch numbers given as a source so you have now enlightened me and as I said today to a certain person, your input and advice is invaluable I was not actually thinking of newfamilysearch - sorry. It was another site that uses batch numbers but I do not wish to confuse good advice. But the IGI was public input regardless of what they may be saying now. Thankyou will look further into this Cara Apology to all but I have left in Nivard's message as it holds very much welcome information on research. Hi Cara Maybe its just the way I read your post but with respect you seem to imply that all batch numbers on newfamilysearch are submitted by other peoples research? The opposite is true at the moment The batch mentioned by the poster C70129-3 is an extraction from the births indexes Quarterly returns of births in Ireland, 1864-1955, with index to births, 1864-1921 authors: Ireland. General Register Office Ireland. General Register Office Ireland. Custom House format: Manuscript/Manuscript on Film language: English publication: Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1953-1954, 1960-1961 physical: 1034 microfilm reels ; 35 mm. Notes Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes are available online, click here. Microfilm of original records in the General Registry, Custom House, Dublin. Births v. 12 1866 Family History Library BRITISH Film 101131 Currently newfamilysearch contains no patron submitted items The IGI is now available on newfamilysearch but contains only extracted data with the submitted data yet to come, the two will be searchable separately When available the submitted data will be called the :- Community Contributed IGI All entries should of course be checked with the original for accuracy, extra detail etc All transcriptions have errors and omissions so its vital to go back to source Some may find the following webinar of interest on searching newfamilysearch <http://broadcast.lds.org/eLearning/fhd/Community/en/FamilySearch/Product_We binars/Robert_Kehrer_-_June_21_2012/Player.html> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi Graham, Here are some McColough's. Hopefully some of them will be yours.  http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?namefm=&namel=McColough&location=&dd=&mm=&yy=&submit=Search Enjoy   Julie Boyd --- On Tue, 24/7/12, Graham <graham@mccolough.net> wrote: From: Graham <graham@mccolough.net> Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] McColough Family To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, 24, July, 2012, 2:30 PM Hi my name is Graham I am a newbie to this mailing list but I have been searching for my roots for many years. I have found one record of a ship with McColough's aboard from Warrenpoint a town some 80 km North of Dublin near Newry around 1808 leaving for Nova Scotia.  The family records seem to say they went to Nova Scotia In small groups sometime between 1780 and 1810? The Census records of Nova Scotia are excellent and the family have stated they come from Ireland,(no town or county).  Folk law says we come from Armagh. I have seen grave stones with the name McColough on a church in Dromore near Belfast. While some of the family stayed in Nova Scotia and become successful farmers others migrated to America in the Massachusetts and Connecticut areas while others my direct line migrated from Nova Scotia to Melbourne, Australia, in 1852.  As Australian shipping records were good at that time I can trace the journey and arrival accurately. I have tried for DNA matching and searches of graves but have yet to find proof that the McColough's existed for any length of time in any part of Ireland or if they changed their name.  It would seem on the surface they just disappeared no trace of them exists in Ireland at this time that is known. If anyone can point me in the right direction regarding shipping from Warrenpoint, or the surname McColough  or place of dwelling or any time line of events at that time that may lead me to further my research I would appreciate the gesture. Graham McColough Melbourne Australia <mailto:graham@mccolough.net> graham@mccolough.net ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

@=circa which makes it nice <G> but I add querys even if I am "really" unsure! <G> But most importantly it calls my attention to unfinished business. I find so many of my family in the census (until I found a lot of my supposed brother of my 2Xggfather and found the marriages of them and the kids on Irish Genealogy!!) and sometimes I don't even get to enter the parents for a while. OR I "get" that I have a pair or more of sisters married to brothers but haven't a clue to the parents so I call them Mr Smith and Mrs [Smith] and fill them in if and when I find them, and it could be years! If viewers can't figure that I know nothing about these people <G> shame on them, but the conventions are for me to let me know what is what. Eliz On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 8:21 PM, <pjsalis@hal-pc.org> wrote: > > Eliz, > > I like your "@----ish" notation a lot. It adds a welcome air of whimsy to > this business that is very, very serious business to us genealogy > obsessives. > > In my own records, I find myself using this notation: > circa or ca. = I have several pieces of (preferably sourced) evidence for > this date, but I'm not yet sure which is true > ? or est. = I'm guessing, based on tangential evidence, on rough > calculations, or on just gut feeling > > I'm interested in notations that other people use in their own records. > > PJ > > >> >> When I am totally without an idea as to birth date, I use 25 years >> before the first child I know and format it @1825ish <G> if that >> doesn't say I am at sea I don't know what does <G> >> >> >> > > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I use "abt" or "bef" when I'm recording a date guess, and I subtract 15 years for a generation. I use "Unknown" for first names when I want to add an unknown person. It helps me to add these holding places in my family tree as I'm filling in generations and connecting children to unknown parents. -----Original message----- From: pjsalis@hal-pc.org To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Jul 24, 2012 20:21:11 EDT Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Notation for iffy dates Eliz, I like your "@----ish" notation a lot. It adds a welcome air of whimsy to this business that is very, very serious business to us genealogy obsessives. In my own records, I find myself using this notation: circa or ca. = I have several pieces of (preferably sourced) evidence for this date, but I'm not yet sure which is true ? or est. = I'm guessing, based on tangential evidence, on rough calculations, or on just gut feeling I'm interested in notations that other people use in their own records. PJ > > When I am totally without an idea as to birth date, I use 25 years > before the first child I know and format it @1825ish <G> if that > doesn't say I am at sea I don't know what does <G> > > > ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would go one step further and chuck the calculation in the bin :-) Its about as logical as saying that men married at 25 and women at 21 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > As for the intergenerational-intervals article, granted its conclusions > may not be easily extrapolated to our Irish Catholic populations of the > 18th or 19th centuries, but it does caution that rule-of-thumb > calculations using generation lengths should be considered gross > estimates. > > Thanks again. > PJ

Something I should have included in my last on the IGI For searching batch numbers http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/index.htm More for England, Wales & Scotland now but Ireland is building up Cork Donegal Antrim Londerry Tyrone Are listed so far Most people are already aware of the Hugh Wallis site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/ Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi again PJ From <http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/3ebfe20144532> Area - DUBLIN (COI) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY Baptism of BENJM HENRY CURTIS of 26 GT BRETAIN on 2 September 1866 Name BENJM HENRY CURTIS Date of Birth 22 July 1866 Address 26 GT BRETAIN Father GARDENER CURTIS Mother CATHERINE CURTIS Further details in the record Father Occupation SHOEMAKER About the record Book Number Page Entry Number Record_Identifier Image Filename N/R N/R N/R DU-CI-BA-144533 d-277-2-9-123 The original page is there to see, the father was a shoemaker Had you found this entry ? The birth date marries up with your original birth with a blank forename Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24/07/2012 17:08, pjsalis@hal-pc.org wrote: > > > > > In my recent post about an incomplete indexed birth, I noted that the 1866 > birth of male-baby Curtis was a very late birth for the child's mother, > Catherine, and I wondered if the incomplete index entry may have signaled > that the child died at or soon after birth. I had three reasons for this > question:

Eliz, I like your "@----ish" notation a lot. It adds a welcome air of whimsy to this business that is very, very serious business to us genealogy obsessives. In my own records, I find myself using this notation: circa or ca. = I have several pieces of (preferably sourced) evidence for this date, but I'm not yet sure which is true ? or est. = I'm guessing, based on tangential evidence, on rough calculations, or on just gut feeling I'm interested in notations that other people use in their own records. PJ > > When I am totally without an idea as to birth date, I use 25 years > before the first child I know and format it @1825ish <G> if that > doesn't say I am at sea I don't know what does <G> > > >

Hi PJ Some sweeping generalisations there if you don't mind me saying so :-) Trying to compare the situation in Canada with completely different living conditions to Ireland of an entirely different time period is a case of apples and oranges I would say What a couple will produce in the way of children will vary enormously depending on many factors and with the best will in the world you can't draw much of a useful conclusion from even many thousands of examples (much less the 100 genealogies used in the study you mention) My advice would be to get the certificate and see if anything useful is noted, also check for a burial or evidence the child lived on Children are often registered with no name and also with a name that they do not use during their lifetime (ie registered as Patrick but known as Thomas for their lifetime) Although its England & Wales, a quick check of freebmd for births registered with no forename finds male CURTIS x 299 and female CURTIS x 266 You are also assuming that the parents married, many did not A mother having her first child is more likely to lose it than a mother who already had given birth to several Another thing to consider, even if the birth registration proves to record the right parents, it was not unknown for grandparents to register an errant daughters child as their own Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) (the tenth child to a 44 year old Mum, I think she had got the hang of it by then :-) On 24/07/2012 17:08, pjsalis@hal-pc.org wrote: > > In my recent post about an incomplete indexed birth, I noted that the 1866 > birth of male-baby Curtis was a very late birth for the child's mother, > Catherine, and I wondered if the incomplete index entry may have signaled > that the child died at or soon after birth. I had three reasons for this > question: > > * I figured that Catherine married no later than 1838, since her > first-known child (John) was baptized in May 1839, and that she would have > been age 15-20 when she married. That would make her birth date > 1818-1823. If those dates were correct, in 1866 she would have been age > 43-48

Hi Eliz Have you tried to access the old familysearch IGI recently? It closed some four weeks or more ago Any old links take you to the new IGI on new familysearch and there are no longer links from the latest familysearch home page The old catalogue is still available until they update the new one to include everything with the same search capabilities The new LDS trees on new.familysearch.org are a separate issue and as they are not on the new site I did not want to muddy further the already murky waters <g> It will be a global database which submitters enter information into but will have to provide sources of some sort Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24/07/2012 18:46, Eliz Hanebury wrote: > Nivard there are 3 currently existing familysearch.org > > > The newish one (familysearch.org), and from this you can get to the > "Old" familysearch if you need to. > > the new.familysearch.org which is where the user contributed > information lives (and you have to be a church member of someone who > transcribes and they are kind enough to give you entry, but you must > apply) and where you can add your tree sources and all. > > > > > Eliz

Well, it is specially iffy considering that many Irish married only when there was room on the farm and many first married well into their 30's. Many Americans in the South married at 18 or younger, but most of mine were 23 to 28 (the women) which really trashes the estimates. When I am totally without an idea as to birth date, I use 25 years before the first child I know and format it @1825ish <G> if that doesn't say I am at sea I don't know what does <G> Eliz On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:19 PM, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > I would go one step further and chuck the calculation in the bin :-) > > Its about as logical as saying that men married at 25 and women at 21 > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> As for the intergenerational-intervals article, granted its conclusions >> may not be easily extrapolated to our Irish Catholic populations of the >> 18th or 19th centuries, but it does caution that rule-of-thumb >> calculations using generation lengths should be considered gross >> estimates. >> >> Thanks again. >> PJ > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is on the regular familysearch.org LOL yes, muddy the waters says it well <G> https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi The above is the link to the IGI and there are two choices on the page and this is the one with the microed and transcribed church records Community Indexed IGI (Vital and church records from the early 1500s to 1885) Personally I mourn daily the Pilot search which was brilliant but the LDS seems to be wedded to their old form even if they have added a lot more limiters. Eliz On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > Hi Eliz > > Have you tried to access the old familysearch IGI recently? > > It closed some four weeks or more ago > > Any old links take you to the new IGI on new familysearch and there are > no longer links from the latest familysearch home page > > The old catalogue is still available until they update the new one to > include everything with the same search capabilities > > The new LDS trees on new.familysearch.org are a separate issue and as > they are not on the new site I did not want to muddy further the already > murky waters <g> > > It will be a global database which submitters enter information into but > will have to provide sources of some sort > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > On 24/07/2012 18:46, Eliz Hanebury wrote: >> Nivard there are 3 currently existing familysearch.org >> >> >> The newish one (familysearch.org), and from this you can get to the >> "Old" familysearch if you need to. >> >> the new.familysearch.org which is where the user contributed >> information lives (and you have to be a church member of someone who >> transcribes and they are kind enough to give you entry, but you must >> apply) and where you can add your tree sources and all. >> >> >> >> >> Eliz > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi John Under the section "Trees" are Ancestral File and Pedigree Resource File and are submitted genealogies They do not come up under a normal search and are not part of the submitted data to the IGI (but could be in both AF / PRF & IGI submitted data) Any information in the AF or PRF is at best 2nd hand information and needs thorough checking to ascertain if its valid or not I would only use it as a guide to prove your way through using the original records I do not know if there is a source for either the AF or the PRF listed anywhere as I don't use either, personally I would ask the LDS who are best placed to know and are very helpful Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24/07/2012 17:22, John Warther wrote: > > Nivard, > > I delayed responding with my question because I think it applies to > this, and then I read Cara's later apology. So I thought I better > get my question in... > > Anyway, I just found some new information on familysearch.org that > was very helpful to me . However, I could not understand where this > information came from until I stumbled on the fact that names and > dates are tied to Queensland, Australia vital records, so I think > that was the original source in this case, although the records don't > show it. Rather, i t seems to be user-submitted information, and it > was found under the "Trees" catagory at familysearch.org, rather than > under "Records." When you go under "user submitted trees," it brings > up a "Pedigree Resource File" for my "Caroline Conran." It was > submitted 18 Apr 2001, submission ID MM9T-393 , with 10,824 people > submitted.

Nivard, I delayed responding with my question because I think it applies to this, and then I read Cara's later apology.  So I thought I better get my question in... Anyway, I just found some new information on familysearch.org that was very helpful to me .  However, I could not understand where this information came from until I stumbled on the fact that names and dates are tied to Queensland, Australia vital records, so I think that was the original source in this case, although the records don't show it.  Rather, i t seems to be user-submitted information, and it was found under the "Trees" catagory at familysearch.org, rather than under "Records."  When you go under "user submitted trees," it brings up a "Pedigree Resource File" for my "Caroline Conran."  It was submitted 18 Apr 2001, submission ID MM9T-393 , with 10,824 people submitted. I haven't read the webinar to which you referred yet, but I will soon.  But I do wonder if this is the kind of information that is supposed to be under "Community Contributed IGI," and if this information is already available in a different way, or did I completely miss the point? Is there any way to know where information such as the above "Pedigree Resource File" came from in order to check out the information.  In this case, I stumbled on it in Australia, but otherwise I would not have known whether to trust it or not. Thank you for your advice about this. John ----- Original Message ----- From: irl-dublin-request@rootsweb.com To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 6:51:16 AM Subject: IRL-DUBLIN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 227 Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:03:38 +0100 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Incomplete indexed birth: ?infant dead at         birth orsoon after Message-ID: <500E72FA.7030803@sky.com> Hi Cara Maybe its just the way I read your post but with respect you seem to imply that all batch numbers on newfamilysearch are submitted by other peoples research? The opposite is true at the moment Currently newfamilysearch contains no patron submitted items The IGI is now available on newfamilysearch but contains only extracted data with the submitted data yet to come, the two will be searchable separately When available the submitted data will be called the :- Community Contributed IGI All entries should of course be checked with the original for accuracy, extra detail etc All transcriptions have errors and omissions so its vital to go back to source Some may find the following webinar of interest on searching newfamilysearch http://broadcast.lds.org/eLearning/fhd/Community/en/FamilySearch/Product_Webinars/Robert_Kehrer_-_June_21_2012/Player.html Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 24/07/2012 00:40, Cara wrote: > These batch numbers are supplied by researchers like yourself, and they no > nothing more on the child than you have gleaned from their input to the web > site you found it on. > > > When you find in a  Church of Ireland parish register a child with no name > you will find it   mostly always has added information, for instance it may > say Private Baptism, which usually signified a sickly child or mother was > not well or they were of the upper crust elite part of the church. >    I always question these inputs that contain *batch Numbers* or placed in > the LDS files by another researcher, as everyone research is only a > guideline you still have the leg work to do as in regards of proving > anything, nothing unseen by your is proven. >

Infant mortality rate was 150 in one 1000 in 1874. RC families lived in relative poverty in the Cities. This, coupled with the fact they had large Families + dissentry among other diseases was rife. Poor housing was a factor, there was one toilet/restroom in the backyard of tenement houses used by an average of 100 people. Both my Granmothers + ggmothers buried at least one child. Maggie On 24 Jul 2012, at 01:45, Eliz Hanebury <elizhgene@gmail.com> wrote: Last time I got events like this it turn out that Yellow Fever was endemic in Memphis Tennessee. My other events like this were cholera. Eliz On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 7:07 PM, <pjsalis@hal-pc.org> wrote: Hello kin-sleuths, What do you think? Are these 1874 events in three generations of Gardiner Curtises coincidences or not? Or was there some dangerous event in 1874 Dublin history? Gardiner Curtis, patriarch: Death registered 1874, age 58, North Dublin Reg. Dist.; Vol. 12, Pg. 362 (https://familysearch.org) Gardiner Curtis, partiarch's son: Death registered 1874, age 28, North Dublin Reg. Dist.; Vol. 7, Pg. 452 (https://familysearch.org) Gardiner Curtis, patriarch's grandson: Born 1874 Sep 12, address 21 Coles Lane (North Dublin); Baptised 1874 Sep 21, St. Mary Pro, (North Dublin); , no Vol. or Pg. numbers (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/) Thanks for any thoughts. PJ, Texas ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The endemic diseases at the time - namely cholera, typhoid and enteric fever - were in fact mapped against the water courses leading into the River Liffey. There was a man who campaigned ferociously for the water courses to be piped. This eventually happened and much of the drainage installed has lasted until this day and age. Cheers Cara