Cousin Jim tells me - Ancestry.com will allow free access to all census records 1790-1940 from Aug 29 thru Sept 3. Let anyone know that might be interested. Janet
This site may help http://www.dublinchurches.com/churches/start.htm > I have found a copy of this book at an American University - UD -Madison > Campus who looked up the record for me. > > My question now is: > > The 4 churches mentioned are: St Andrew 1672-1800, St Anne 1719-1800, St > Audoen 1672-1800 and St Bride 1632-1800. > > Do these names and dates suggest which might be the religion ? > > Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Valerie B Garton [mailto:vbgarton@optusnet.com.au] > Sent: Saturday, 25 August 2012 10:38 AM > To: 'irl-dublin@rootsweb.com'; 'irl-dublin-city@rootsweb.com'; > 'goons@rootsweb.com' > Subject: Does anyone have access to this reference please ? Samuel > Higginson > 1 May 1787 St Andrew's Church Dublin ? religion > > D. A. Chart. Marriage Entries from the Registers of the Parishes of St. > Andrew, St. Anne, St. Auden, & St. Bride (Dublin), 1632-1800. Exeter and > London: William Pollard & Co. Ltd., 1913. 185 pages. > > I am looking for the details of the marriage of Samuel HIGGINSON on 1 May > 1787 at St Andrew's Church Dublin. > > The above contains marriages that are not in the church registers but > found > in parochial papers - ancestry.com > > Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney > > > > > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County > Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Those sneaky whatses! > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 16:27:12 +0100 > From: ovington1@sky.com > To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] 1901 and 1911 Irish census question > > Thats easy :-) > > Because they knew you would come looking for them <g> > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 28/08/2012 05:12, Mary Benedict wrote: > > > > Oh I'm not mad at the census takers, I'm mad at my ancestors who > > didn't cooperate sufficiently with census takers. Why did they have > > to make things difficult for me? ;p > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
LOL! Yep, that's probably going to get a 70% vote there! -----Original Message----- From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Eliz Hanebury Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 6:25 PM To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] 1901 and 1911 Irish census question I have to vote for "Keeping those dratted gvnment out of our biddness" Eliz On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Marilyn L. Arnold <marilyn.arnold1@verizon.net> wrote: > Or because they didn't think that anyone would ever care .... > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:27 AM > To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] 1901 and 1911 Irish census question > > Thats easy :-) > > Because they knew you would come looking for them <g> > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 28/08/2012 05:12, Mary Benedict wrote: >> >> Oh I'm not mad at the census takers, I'm mad at my ancestors who >> didn't cooperate sufficiently with census takers. Why did they have >> to make things difficult for me? ;p > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in > County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have to vote for "Keeping those dratted gvnment out of our biddness" Eliz On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Marilyn L. Arnold <marilyn.arnold1@verizon.net> wrote: > Or because they didn't think that anyone would ever care .... > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:27 AM > To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] 1901 and 1911 Irish census question > > Thats easy :-) > > Because they knew you would come looking for them <g> > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 28/08/2012 05:12, Mary Benedict wrote: >> >> Oh I'm not mad at the census takers, I'm mad at my ancestors who >> didn't cooperate sufficiently with census takers. Why did they have to >> make things difficult for me? ;p > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County > Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
1 Dec. 1817 Settlement on the marriage of the Frances McDowell, Dublin City and William Smith, Rackethall, Co. Tipperary. 8 22 Dec. 1818 Settlement on the marriage of Joshua Smith, Streamstown, Co. Tipperary and Elizabeth Creighton, Dublin City. 21 Feb. 1764 Licence for the marriage of William Stewart, surgeon, Dublin and Anne Starret, par. St. Marys, Dublin. Prerogative Court. 6 Oct 1831 Settlement subsequent to the marriage of Thomas Richardson and Mary Anne Richardson (née Mackey), Bolton St., Dublin. Trustees: Jocelyn Johnston, Springfield, Co. Down and Ralph Richardson, Dublin. 8 Aug. 1898 Settlement on the marriage of Patrick E. Farrell, 21 Richmond Place, Dublin City and Mary Angela Bridgeman, 82 Summerhill, Dublin City. 18 Feb. 1857 Settlement on the marriage of William James Shiell, Malahide, Co. Dublin and Emily Louisa Crozier, Greenwood, Co. Dublin. 24 April 1865. Copy settlement on the marriage of Stannus Geoghegan, James St., Dublin City and Jane Downs, Alderly, Kingstown, Co. Dublin. 13 July 1833 Settlement on the marriage of William A. Walker, Baggot St, Dublin City and Patience Grant, Kildare St, Dublin City. 21 May 1807 Copy settlement on the marriage of Mary Magdalane Redmond, Charlemont St, Dublin and John Meredith, Dublin City. Aug. 1813 Draft Settlement on the marriage of James Edmond Byrne, Dublin City and Cecilia Rossiter, Rosemount, Co. Wexford. 25 Aug 1801 Bargain and sale for remainder for 20 years by Charles Curtis, Meudon, Co. Dublin to Captain John Campbell of Meudon, par Swords, Co. Dublin. Consideration: £1500 =========================
Or because they didn't think that anyone would ever care .... -----Original Message----- From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 11:27 AM To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] 1901 and 1911 Irish census question Thats easy :-) Because they knew you would come looking for them <g> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/08/2012 05:12, Mary Benedict wrote: > > Oh I'm not mad at the census takers, I'm mad at my ancestors who > didn't cooperate sufficiently with census takers. Why did they have to > make things difficult for me? ;p ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thats easy :-) Because they knew you would come looking for them <g> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 28/08/2012 05:12, Mary Benedict wrote: > > Oh I'm not mad at the census takers, I'm mad at my ancestors who > didn't cooperate sufficiently with census takers. Why did they have > to make things difficult for me? ;p
Oh thanks Nivard. We can do so much from our lounge rooms now. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] RESEACHER -DUBLIN > Hi Edie > > I think Cara was referring to the previous post by Nancy asking for a > recommendation for a researcher > > Using a researcher listed on an Archives list of known researchers may > give a little more confidence the researcher is a reliable one > (It does not of course guarantee it) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > On 27/08/2012 07:36, Edie wrote: >> Who are you referring to here Cara me Edie or someone else and what is >> the >> archives list. Are you meaning to go into the Archives of each of the >> Irish >> email lists or what . Not quite sure what you mean. Have been on lists >> for >> ove 20 yers so not a novice. But a novice with Irish lists. Very helpful >> ones I might add too. >> >> Edie > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County > Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Oh I'm not mad at the census takers, I'm mad at my ancestors who didn't cooperate sufficiently with census takers. Why did they have to make things difficult for me? ;p > Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 20:50:08 +0100 > From: ovington1@sky.com > To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] 1901 and 1911 Irish census question > > Hi Mary > > The organizers of the census, wherever it may be, know there will be a > certain percentage of people who will not give the information requested > or will give false or misleading data > > Then there are the human errors that creep in, lost pages, > interpretation mistakes, missed houses etc > > Followed by more errors as people transcribe the old pages, miss pages > or turn over two, the reasons are legion > > So I suppose its a wonder we find anyone <g> > > Our problem is we forget what the census was actually for, compiling > statistics and not for our benefit :-) > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 26/08/2012 19:51, Mary Benedict wrote: > > > > This might explain why some of my ancestors in the USA are in every > > census and others never show up in a census or don't show up until > > they marry. I found myself wondering if certain family members just > > never answered the door. > > > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Who are you referring to here Cara me Edie or someone else and what is the archives list. Are you meaning to go into the Archives of each of the Irish email lists or what . Not quite sure what you mean. Have been on lists for ove 20 yers so not a novice. But a novice with Irish lists. Very helpful ones I might add too. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara" <cara_links@bigpond.com> To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:07 PM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] RESEACHER -DUBLIN >I step in here and say personally you are best to go with the Archives >list > of researchers, as then you have recall if you do not get satisfaction as > they have to answer to a few persons > > Cheers > Cara > > > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County > Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
I step in here and say personally you are best to go with the Archives list of researchers, as then you have recall if you do not get satisfaction as they have to answer to a few persons Cheers Cara
My keyboard sticks and misses off letters and I need to replace. Annoying. I should remember to check before sending. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edie" <eamca@bigpond.com> To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] 1901 and 1911 Irish census question > The other day on The MOrning Show in Australia. I caught the tail end of > a > conversation about being careful how you end your messages on facebook. > One > of those was a x for kiss. As the speaker said it had indicated a > person > had been a Jew. Imean no offence to Jewish folk as I actually worked and > ran a Jewish Laundrette in Gteshead in Englnd for three months while the > Jewish owner and his Protestant manageress took a holiday. the lady was > speaking about Jeish folk at the time so I think I am right. She ad > concluded that you are not Jewish unless your mother is as you always know > who your mother is. Tghe other one I got to her was LOL, which folk > usually > do Laugh out lopud. but it can sometimes be put on a sad comment as LOL > Lots of love. Someone may b able to verify this from Austrlia if they > nerd > the whole converstion. I am prety sujre it is right. > Edie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Benedict" <maryscribe@msn.com> > To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:51 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] 1901 and 1911 Irish census question > > >> >> This might explain why some of my ancestors in the USA are in every >> census >> and others never show up in a census or don't show up until they marry. >> I >> found myself wondering if certain family members just never answered the >> door. >> >>> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:43:36 +0100 >>> From: ovington1@sky.com >>> To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] 1901 and 1911 Irish census question >>> >>> Hi again >>> >>> Whilst the Irish had their own added reasons for not wanting to comply >>> with the governments wishes its a widespread feeling across all >>> Countries >>> >>> There was a deeply held mistrust of authority, its much the same today >>> >>> At a local level people did not want the neighbours to know, and higher >>> they were worried the government would use the data for some nefarious >>> means, so its little wonder we find so many discrepancies >>> >>> On the whole people gave the truth or somewhere near it, so our problem >>> is working out who told porkies and who didn't >>> >>> And yes the two finger salute is not dissimilar to a middle finger, we >>> have both :-) >>> >>> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >>> >>> On 26/08/2012 19:30, pjsalis@hal-pc.org wrote: >>> > >>> > Very interesting, Nivard. >>> > >>> > I've wondered how much passive resistance went on in Ireland, >>> > especially >>> > under the Empire, and I get the distinct feeling some of my people >>> > continued the practice over here in the US when it came to >>> > officialdom. >>> > That's part of why I'm thinking about the apparent massaged truth I >>> > find >>> > in some of their records. I suspect I'd act the same way, given their >>> > experiences. I have nothing but admiration for their courage, their >>> > perseverance, and their making the best of things. >>> > >>> > What's a two-finger salute? Is it the same as our middle-finger >>> > salute? >>> > >>> > PJ >>> ****************************** >>> Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County >>> Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ****************************** >> Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County >> Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County > Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
The other day on The MOrning Show in Australia. I caught the tail end of a conversation about being careful how you end your messages on facebook. One of those was a x for kiss. As the speaker said it had indicated a person had been a Jew. Imean no offence to Jewish folk as I actually worked and ran a Jewish Laundrette in Gteshead in Englnd for three months while the Jewish owner and his Protestant manageress took a holiday. the lady was speaking about Jeish folk at the time so I think I am right. She ad concluded that you are not Jewish unless your mother is as you always know who your mother is. Tghe other one I got to her was LOL, which folk usually do Laugh out lopud. but it can sometimes be put on a sad comment as LOL Lots of love. Someone may b able to verify this from Austrlia if they nerd the whole converstion. I am prety sujre it is right. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Benedict" <maryscribe@msn.com> To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:51 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] 1901 and 1911 Irish census question > > This might explain why some of my ancestors in the USA are in every census > and others never show up in a census or don't show up until they marry. I > found myself wondering if certain family members just never answered the > door. > >> Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2012 19:43:36 +0100 >> From: ovington1@sky.com >> To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] 1901 and 1911 Irish census question >> >> Hi again >> >> Whilst the Irish had their own added reasons for not wanting to comply >> with the governments wishes its a widespread feeling across all Countries >> >> There was a deeply held mistrust of authority, its much the same today >> >> At a local level people did not want the neighbours to know, and higher >> they were worried the government would use the data for some nefarious >> means, so its little wonder we find so many discrepancies >> >> On the whole people gave the truth or somewhere near it, so our problem >> is working out who told porkies and who didn't >> >> And yes the two finger salute is not dissimilar to a middle finger, we >> have both :-) >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> On 26/08/2012 19:30, pjsalis@hal-pc.org wrote: >> > >> > Very interesting, Nivard. >> > >> > I've wondered how much passive resistance went on in Ireland, >> > especially >> > under the Empire, and I get the distinct feeling some of my people >> > continued the practice over here in the US when it came to officialdom. >> > That's part of why I'm thinking about the apparent massaged truth I >> > find >> > in some of their records. I suspect I'd act the same way, given their >> > experiences. I have nothing but admiration for their courage, their >> > perseverance, and their making the best of things. >> > >> > What's a two-finger salute? Is it the same as our middle-finger >> > salute? >> > >> > PJ >> ****************************** >> Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County >> Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County > Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hi Edie I think Cara was referring to the previous post by Nancy asking for a recommendation for a researcher Using a researcher listed on an Archives list of known researchers may give a little more confidence the researcher is a reliable one (It does not of course guarantee it) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/08/2012 07:36, Edie wrote: > Who are you referring to here Cara me Edie or someone else and what is the > archives list. Are you meaning to go into the Archives of each of the Irish > email lists or what . Not quite sure what you mean. Have been on lists for > ove 20 yers so not a novice. But a novice with Irish lists. Very helpful > ones I might add too. > > Edie
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Hi, as I've mentioned before my GGGF was a schoolteacher in Dublin. I know nothing about his parents, where he was born (in 1793), and when/where he was married (about 1828). National Archives of Ireland have a collection of school records (http://www.nationalarchives.ie/topics/Nat_Schools/natschs.html) which include school registers, salary books, records relating to teacher training, etc.but they are not searchable on-line. I wonder if they would be able to give me a little more information about my Robert Wentworth WADE. Could anyone recommend a private researcher? I note the Archives give a list of researchers but thought I'd ask here first. Nancy
Hi Mary The organizers of the census, wherever it may be, know there will be a certain percentage of people who will not give the information requested or will give false or misleading data Then there are the human errors that creep in, lost pages, interpretation mistakes, missed houses etc Followed by more errors as people transcribe the old pages, miss pages or turn over two, the reasons are legion So I suppose its a wonder we find anyone <g> Our problem is we forget what the census was actually for, compiling statistics and not for our benefit :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/08/2012 19:51, Mary Benedict wrote: > > This might explain why some of my ancestors in the USA are in every > census and others never show up in a census or don't show up until > they marry. I found myself wondering if certain family members just > never answered the door. >
Hi again Whilst the Irish had their own added reasons for not wanting to comply with the governments wishes its a widespread feeling across all Countries There was a deeply held mistrust of authority, its much the same today At a local level people did not want the neighbours to know, and higher they were worried the government would use the data for some nefarious means, so its little wonder we find so many discrepancies On the whole people gave the truth or somewhere near it, so our problem is working out who told porkies and who didn't And yes the two finger salute is not dissimilar to a middle finger, we have both :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 26/08/2012 19:30, pjsalis@hal-pc.org wrote: > > Very interesting, Nivard. > > I've wondered how much passive resistance went on in Ireland, especially > under the Empire, and I get the distinct feeling some of my people > continued the practice over here in the US when it came to officialdom. > That's part of why I'm thinking about the apparent massaged truth I find > in some of their records. I suspect I'd act the same way, given their > experiences. I have nothing but admiration for their courage, their > perseverance, and their making the best of things. > > What's a two-finger salute? Is it the same as our middle-finger salute? > > PJ
Hi again Its debatable just how many could or could not read & write Then as now people did not trust the authorities and said they could not write when they could, it was a two finger salute to the powers that be, many thought the census was just a way of checking up on them and may give the government more ways to tax them Literacy levels are generally under stated and all it took was one person in the household or a friend or neighbour who could write Children were also taught at school how to fill in the schedules There is no doubt that the enumerators when collecting the schedules filled in some of them for householders, but it could not have been that many given the time scale they had to adhere to Enumerators were not paid a great deal and had to complete the exercise to a laid down time scale or they lost part of their pay The schedules do survive for Ireland for the 1901 & 1911, whereas in England and Wales the 1911 is the only one, in Scotland they transcribed the 1911 like all the earlier census and destroyed the schedules, so Ireland is better off than most for the later census Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > I know that at least some of my ancestors in Ireland read and wrote either > not at all or less than fluently, and some were semi-numerate at best. > Who filled out the forms for the household head or household members in > such cases? I don't see an answer on the page cited above. > > PJ