PJ Have you tried RootsChat at http://www.rootschat.com/ Very good site. H ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2012 10:26:26 -0500 From: <mailto:pjsalis@hal-pc.org> pjsalis@hal-pc.org Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Surname lists at Irish sites To: "Dublin list" < <mailto:IRL-DUBLIN@rootsweb.com> IRL-DUBLIN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: < <mailto:c4d549b1ba1af635f557e0c28b055915.squirrel@sqmail.hal-pc.org> c4d549b1ba1af635f557e0c28b055915.squirrel@sqmail.hal-pc.org> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hello list, I'm researching people with these surnames: PLUNKETT, in Kingstown and Dublin city CURTIS, in Dublin city, Dalkey, and Kingstown HAWKINS, in Dublin city ADAMS, born Co. Wexford, later lived with Curtis husband and children in Dalkey I've subscribed to the Rootsweb surname lists for most of these names and have posted pertinent information about my Irish people. I've had no responses to my posts, and I've rarely seen any posts about Irish families. Can you suggest surname lists at Irish sites that may be more helpful to me? Thanks. PJ, in Texas

Try the Fermanagh Gold site. Plunkett is a very early name there, and I know that there are members who have info on them. good luck. Wendy Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2012, at 11:26 AM, pjsalis@hal-pc.org wrote: > > > Hello list, > > I'm researching people with these surnames: > > PLUNKETT, in Kingstown and Dublin city > CURTIS, in Dublin city, Dalkey, and Kingstown > HAWKINS, in Dublin city > ADAMS, born Co. Wexford, later lived with Curtis husband and children in > Dalkey > > I've subscribed to the Rootsweb surname lists for most of these names and > have posted pertinent information about my Irish people. I've had no > responses to my posts, and I've rarely seen any posts about Irish > families. > > Can you suggest surname lists at Irish sites that may be more helpful to me? > > Thanks. > PJ, in Texas > > > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi PJ, None of these surnames are very common in Ireland, so even though that helps with your research, it probably makes it harder to find others researching the same families. Sorry this isn't more helpful! Hilda

Hello list, I'm researching people with these surnames: PLUNKETT, in Kingstown and Dublin city CURTIS, in Dublin city, Dalkey, and Kingstown HAWKINS, in Dublin city ADAMS, born Co. Wexford, later lived with Curtis husband and children in Dalkey I've subscribed to the Rootsweb surname lists for most of these names and have posted pertinent information about my Irish people. I've had no responses to my posts, and I've rarely seen any posts about Irish families. Can you suggest surname lists at Irish sites that may be more helpful to me? Thanks. PJ, in Texas

Hi P.J. in Texas Thank you for the District Reg. site you have shared. Have socked that away for future use. Amazing what we can find when looking for something else! Paddy dec. from Killkenny rebels Sydney Aust. ----- Original Message ----- From: <pjsalis@hal-pc.org> To: "Dublin list" <IRL-DUBLIN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 3:33 AM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] document: Registration Districts of Ireland > > Hello list, > > I just discovered this online document and thought others might find it > useful, too. > > http://genealogyresearch.org.uk/IRL_RegistrationDistricts1871.pdf > > PJ, in Texas > > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County > Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5284 - Release Date: 09/21/12 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5286 - Release Date: 09/22/12

Hello list, I just discovered this online document and thought others might find it useful, too. http://genealogyresearch.org.uk/IRL_RegistrationDistricts1871.pdf PJ, in Texas

If your man died at the ANY union Workhouse it would have on admittance stated if he had any next of kin, this in your mans case would appear to be a wife, I think I would re-think on this certificate you have and see if there is another, I hate to say this but most people who died in a work house had no one if he died in a part of the workhouse that was the infirmary ( this being a hospital) there would be details, what is wrong in writing to GRO and asking for a copy of said certificate for both men, exercise should not set you back to far for a copy for genealogy purpose. Cara -----Original Message----- From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Warther Sent: 20 September 2012 13:11 To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Seeking 1869 Death Date for Robert FitzGerald Hi.  I'm revisiting this old post to say that I think it is possible that I've had Robert FitzGerald's death record all along.  There is a death record for Robert FitzGerald in North Dublin, 11 November 1869.  One of the problems with the record is that it reads he is a "widower," but actually his wife did not die until the 1890s.  Another problem with the record for my cousins and me  is that this person died at the North Dublin Union Workhouse. I'm beginning to think this might really be his death record anyway.  Maybe they wrote down his marital status incorrectly?   Also, that was the area in which he was living at the time. Anyway, does anyone have a better understanding of the workhouses.  The death record reads the place of death was "N.D.U., 52 Wellington street."  It gives the cause of death, and I'm wondering if he might primarily have been there because of his illness.  There were also some financial problems in the family around 1850. In the meanwhile, I have learned that microfilm records are available to research patients at the North Dublin Union Workhouse, so maybe I'll find helpful information about this Robert FitzGerald. Thank you for any insights about the North Dublin Union, 52 Wellington Street, or the use of the workhouse for hospital services during that period. John Baltimore, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Warther" <jbwarther@comcast.net> To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 7:51:25 PM Subject: Seeking 1869 Death Date for Robert FitzGerald   I have been looking for a death notice for a Robert FitzGerald of Navinstown/Knavinstown for several years.  He was supposed to have died in 1869, but I am not certain of that, nor do I have the exact date of death.  There is no probate record for him, and I think there might not be a civil record of his death, although I have ordered several death records around that time period!  Also, while Knavinstown is in County Kildare, Robert sometimes lived in Dublin, and his wife died there in the 1890s. So I think Robert probably died at Dublin... ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2441/5281 - Release Date: 09/20/12

Hi John Coincidentally, I've just got a death cert for a distant uncle who died in the Workhouse, South Dublin Union in 1893. He is noted as being a bachelor, but in fact his wife didn't die until 1918. So yes, they make mistakes. On the Glasnevin Trust (pay) site, there is a burial for a Robert Fitzgerald, died 1869 http://www.glasnevintrust.ie/index.cfm?sin_sea_required=f1%2Cf2%2Cyddeath&fuseaction=xml.genealogyresults&fname=robert&lname=fitzgerald&yddeath=1869. Personally, I've found this site absolutely fantastic, especially if there's the option of purchasing an ENTRY IMAGE, which there is in your Robert's case. Entry Image info (depending on the year of death) will include at least the following: date of internment/sextons no/registrars no/name of deceased/age/residence/grave refs/date of death/sex/religion/rank of occupation/marital status/name and residence of informant/date of issuing of internment. The cost of the above info will be about €10, which you pay for by credit card. You can then download the image immediately. One of the best things I've found about the site is that you may find other family members buried in the same grave (I have, on many occasions) and there is no extra charge - when you download the image, you get info about all of the people buried there.This info from an 1862 Dublin Street directory: Wellington-street. Formerly called Paradise-row. Of Dorset-street, Upper. Living at No. 52 c. that year was Mr. J. McCluskey: 49, 50, and 51 Josephian Female Orphan House here Mountjoy-street, Lower, intersects. 52 M'Cluskey, Mr. John, 15l. 53 Moore, Mrs. 15l. Hope this info helps. Good luck! Colette > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Warther > Sent: 20 September 2012 13:11 > To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Seeking 1869 Death Date for Robert FitzGerald > > > > Hi. I'm revisiting this old post to say that I think it is possible that > I've had Robert FitzGerald's death record all along. There is a death > record for Robert FitzGerald in North Dublin, 11 November 1869. One of the > problems with the record is that it reads he is a "widower," but actually > his wife did not die until the 1890s. Another problem with the record > for my cousins and me is that this person died at the North Dublin Union > Workhouse. > > > > I'm beginning to think this might really be his death record anyway. Maybe > they wrote down his marital status incorrectly? Also, that was the area in > which he was living at the time. > > > > Anyway, does anyone have a better understanding of the workhouses. The > death record reads the place of death was "N.D.U., 52 Wellington street." > It gives the cause of death, and I'm wondering if he might primarily have > been there because of his illness. There were also some financial problems > in the family around 1850. > > > In the meanwhile, I have learned that microfilm records are available to > research patients at the North Dublin Union Workhouse, so maybe I'll find > helpful information about this Robert FitzGerald. > > > > Thank you for any insights about the North Dublin Union, 52 Wellington > Street, or the use of the workhouse for hospital services during that > period. > > > > John > > Baltimore, USA

Please contact Me off list . Cara

I decided to find current information on the workhouses. Here are several sources. http://www.irishfamilyresearch.co.uk/EssentialResource8.htm at the bottom of the page is a section on where to find records http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workhouse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workhouse_Unions PJ

John, Here's a repeat of a message I posted to the list back in June. Here's a bit of info on Dublin workhouses. I received it in 1986 from a Mr. E. Scott in Joyce House. I had written asking for confirmation of an entry on a death record I had obtained for a Julia Kelly that listed her date and place of death as "1890 March Sixth Workhouse S.D.U." Here's the general info. he wrote: "With regard to the workhouses, these institutions were set up in the early part of the 19th century by the Government of the day under the poor law system. Over the years the functions in relation to these institutions were transferred from one body to another and, in the case of the Dublin area, the current equivalent authority is the Eastern Health Board which would have custody of any old records in existence. If you are interested in obtaining any information from this source, it is suggested that you write to the Senior Executive Officer, Secretariat, Eastern Health Board, 1 James's Street, Dublin 8." I emphasize that I received this info in 1986; it may be out of date. PJ Texas > > > Anyway, does anyone have a better understanding of the workhouses.

Thanks for that advice Maggie. I have been to the Kew National Archives in Surrey, England and they can be the same. You find the ref no. , take it to the desk, they give you a device that rings when they have found your record. Could take 10 minutes could take 30 minutes depends on the queue and where the record is to be located. You then get a whole box to sort through to find the record relavant to you. I guess it would be the same with the National Archive of Dublin. The bus number helps a lot. I would love to go to Trinity College to see who attended there by the name of Place. We have one George Place who became a barrister. le was a pensioner student with a father named John who was a farmer. There should be more folk by the surname Place, unless other colleges and universities in the area. Thanks, even though your reply was to the other lady enquring. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Doyle" <johnmaggie11@yahoo.co.uk> To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2012 9:02 PM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Re researching in Dublin > Hi, You would need to leave enough time for research. Sometimes, the > material you need, ie, books at the GRO may be in use by others. I have > often spent a full day at the National Library or the GRO waiting on a > que. > Really, you should leave a day for each research venue. If you get done > quickly, there's allways more sights to see in Dublin. For instance, if > you got out of the NL earlier than expected, Trinity College is closeby. > Allways take ID with you when researching, the archives require this. A 78 > or 78A bus can be caught near Trinity, this will take you to > Christchurch+Guiness further along the same road. You must put your hand > out or the bus will not stop if no-one is alighting+you'll need exact > change. > Maggie > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County > Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning John Workhouses were the only form of hospital facility available to many people and a sudden illness or injury could see anyone ending their days in the Union Infirmary The only Wellington street I can see in Dublin on a modern map is quite a way from the location of the NDU but perhaps there was another closer Wellington street at that time No sign of one around the area of the workhouse on the 1798 map of Dublin http://dublin1798.com/dublin09.htm Found at http://mapco.net/britisle.htm In later years a street address was assigned to workhouses to lessen the stigma of events at the workhouse but that does not seem to apply here Who was the informant on the death certificate, informants on events at the workhouse were more often an employee or the workhouse or its master who may not have the full details on the person Hopefully the records you mention may help identify him Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/09/2012 04:10, John Warther wrote: > > Hi. I'm revisiting this old post to say that I think it is possible > that I've had Robert FitzGerald's death record all along. There is a > death record for Robert FitzGerald in North Dublin, 11 November 1869. > One of the problems with the record is that it reads he is a > "widower," but actually his wife did not die until the 1890s. > Another problem with the record for my cousins and me is that this > person died at the North Dublin Union Workhouse. > > I'm beginning to think this might really be his death record anyway. > Maybe they wrote down his marital status incorrectly? Also, that > was the area in which he was living at the time. > > Anyway, does anyone have a better understanding of the workhouses. > The death record reads the place of death was "N.D.U., 52 Wellington

Hi.  I'm revisiting this old post to say that I think it is possible that I've had Robert FitzGerald's death record all along.  There is a death record for Robert FitzGerald in North Dublin, 11 November 1869.  One of the problems with the record is that it reads he is a "widower," but actually his wife did not die until the 1890s.  Another problem with the record for my cousins and me  is that this person died at the North Dublin Union Workhouse. I'm beginning to think this might really be his death record anyway.  Maybe they wrote down his marital status incorrectly?   Also, that was the area in which he was living at the time. Anyway, does anyone have a better understanding of the workhouses.  The death record reads the place of death was "N.D.U., 52 Wellington street."  It gives the cause of death, and I'm wondering if he might primarily have been there because of his illness.  There were also some financial problems in the family around 1850. In the meanwhile, I have learned that microfilm records are available to research patients at the North Dublin Union Workhouse, so maybe I'll find helpful information about this Robert FitzGerald. Thank you for any insights about the North Dublin Union, 52 Wellington Street, or the use of the workhouse for hospital services during that period. John Baltimore, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Warther" <jbwarther@comcast.net> To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2012 7:51:25 PM Subject: Seeking 1869 Death Date for Robert FitzGerald   I have been looking for a death notice for a Robert FitzGerald of Navinstown/Knavinstown for several years.  He was supposed to have died in 1869, but I am not certain of that, nor do I have the exact date of death.  There is no probate record for him, and I think there might not be a civil record of his death, although I have ordered several death records around that time period!  Also, while Knavinstown is in County Kildare, Robert sometimes lived in Dublin, and his wife died there in the 1890s. So I think Robert probably died at Dublin...

There is a new website that is like the old site for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness. It's called Gen Gathering. http://www.gengathering.com/ I went ahead and signed up, and I also made a request from one person for more information. It's too soon to see if I get a response. I just read they went beyond listing in the USA and have expanded to the world. John

Hi, You would need to leave enough time for research. Sometimes, the material you need, ie, books at the GRO may be in use by others. I have often spent a full day at the National Library or the GRO waiting on a que. Really, you should leave a day for each research venue. If you get done quickly, there's allways more sights to see in Dublin. For instance, if you got out of the NL earlier than expected, Trinity College is closeby. Allways take ID with you when researching, the archives require this. A 78 or 78A bus can be caught near Trinity, this will take you to Christchurch+Guiness further along the same road. You must put your hand out or the bus will not stop if no-one is alighting+you'll need exact change. Maggie

Hi all Added to Ancestry yesterday NB these are as yet *browsable* only , I presume they will be made searchable at some point in time, still, access to browse is better than no access ================================ Irish records: 1763–1904 Thom’s Directory, 1904, was a major inspiration behind James Joyce’s celebrated novel Ulysses. Now you can see if these records of names, addresses and occupations across Ireland provide similar stimulation for your discoveries, in our new collection. At the same time, we’ve added scanned editions of 32 different Irish newspapers spanning more than 100 years. Ireland Newspapers, 1763-1890, could shed more light on your family’s role in crucial events like the Irish Rebellion and the Tithe War. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hoping to go to Ireland myself first half of next year. My main area of research will be for the Place family of Dublin, bu may venture into another county as I cannot find the marraige of Alexander (Alexr ) Place and his wife elizabeth. Found three daughters now. 2 at St Johns COI,. Dublin and another daughter Emmap Plce marr to Andrew Baird on the 26th JUne 1799 in ?dublin. Hoping to find the marraige of Alexr and Elizabeth and maybe baptism of my 4th GT GF Alexr or Alexandr Place bornb c1778/1784 or thereabouts. A mineral exploration too place about 1788 in county Cavan. This was a contract between three otgher gentleman,, possibly land tht Alexander senior owned. Could Alexr met his future wife Elizabeth there. Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara" <cara_links@bigpond.com> To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] visiting Dublin I think this would be a great subject for the list to show what others know, where things are, and what you would do if you were Julie going to Dublin So please pass your answers this time to the list. Cheers Cara -----Original Message----- From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Julie Boyd Sent: 16 September 2012 19:51 To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] visiting Dublin If I was able to spend five days in Dublin next year, where should I visit? I know I would want to visit Phillipsburgh Ave, and the Drumcondra Church.. I want to find out more about the Doolan marriage settlements. Where will these be, and how much time would I need. How much does it cost? Can anybody that has visited Dublin from another country tell me those little things that can make it a great trip? If the information isn't relevant to Dublin genealogy, could you please reply to me off line. Thanks Julie Boyd ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5272 - Release Date: 09/16/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5272 - Release Date: 09/16/12 ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think this would be a great subject for the list to show what others know, where things are, and what you would do if you were Julie going to Dublin So please pass your answers this time to the list. Cheers Cara -----Original Message----- From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Julie Boyd Sent: 16 September 2012 19:51 To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] visiting Dublin If I was able to spend five days in Dublin next year, where should I visit?   I know I would want to visit Phillipsburgh Ave, and the Drumcondra Church..   I want to find out more about the Doolan marriage settlements. Where will these be, and how much time would I need. How much does it cost?   Can anybody that has visited Dublin from another country tell me those little things that can make it a great trip?   If the information isn't relevant to Dublin genealogy, could you please reply to me off line.    Thanks Julie Boyd ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5272 - Release Date: 09/16/12 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2221 / Virus Database: 2437/5272 - Release Date: 09/16/12

If I was able to spend five days in Dublin next year, where should I visit?   I know I would want to visit Phillipsburgh Ave, and the Drumcondra Church..   I want to find out more about the Doolan marriage settlements. Where will these be, and how much time would I need. How much does it cost?   Can anybody that has visited Dublin from another country tell me those little things that can make it a great trip?   If the information isn't relevant to Dublin genealogy, could you please reply to me off line.    Thanks Julie Boyd