Thank you Cara. I think I have worked out that they can be physically inspected at the GRO for a fee of €2 spanning 5 years or €20 for an all-day search. Ref. http://www.groireland.ie/research.htm. If anyone knows differently please let us know. In my experience, the earlier records, at least, are basically extracts or copies of standardised parish register entries of all denominations (for church events). Bill -----Original Message----- From: Cara [mailto:cara_links@bigpond.com] Sent: Saturday, 13 October 2012 11:43 AM To: 'Bill' Subject: RE: [IRL-DUBLIN] Civil Registration records Yes Bill any film the library has is free for you to peruse. Subject to house rules of Library, go to the national library site and look at their pdf files for parishes downloadable and useful. Parish Registers The main source for genealogical research in the Library is Roman Catholic Parish Registers. The Library holds microfilm copies of the records of most Roman Catholic parishes in Ireland for the years up to 1880 and in some cases to 1900. For further information on these registers, please read our Family History information leaflet entitled Parish Registers in the National Library of Ireland which can be downloaded here: http://www.nli.ie/en/parish-register.aspx Family History - Parish Registers (1.10 MB, Adobe PDF) The Library has produced a list of the parish registers and their microfilm call numbers. Parishes are listed alphabetically by diocese along with the dates of the registers in each parish. To assist your research when you visit the Library, we have made the parish register list, divided into four parts, available for download: Parish Register List : Achonry - Cloyne (1.12 MB, Adobe PDF) Parish Register List : Cork - Dublin (1.02 MB, Adobe PDF) Parish Register List : Elphin - Killaloe (1.18 MB, Adobe PDF) Parish Register List : Kilmore -Waterford (1.36 MB, Adobe PDF) -----Original Message----- From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: 13 October 2012 07:43 To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Civil Registration records I have used FHL films to research in these records. However, can they be freely inspected either physically or on film at a Dublin library? Thanks. Bill ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2740 / Virus Database: 2601/5827 - Release Date: 10/12/12

I have used FHL films to research in these records. However, can they be freely inspected either physically or on film at a Dublin library? Thanks. Bill

Hello All, At http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie , I retrieved a record for the marriage of Martha Curtis and Patrick Finnegan on 1884 Sep 7 at Dublin's St. Mary, Pro Cathedral. The data on the register image for this marriage are: row 1: Patrick Finnegan, (address) 20 Mecklinburgh St, (parents) Patrick & Mary Judge, (parents' address) 20 Mecklinburgh St row 2: Martha Curtis, (address) 150 Gr Britain St, (parents) Daniel & Cath. Hawkins, (parents' address) Dead I have church-record birth-baptism data for Martha and her 10 known siblings. On all 11 records the father was named Gardiner (or a close approximation) Curtis. On all 11 records the mother was named Cath., Catherine, or Catherina; on those for three of the children her surname was given as Hawkins. Martha Elizabeth Curtis was born 1860 Nov 15, baptized 1861 Jan 25, with parents Gardiner Curtis and Catherine Curtis, according to the (COI) St. Mary Church record. She was baptized again, on 1861 Jan 28, at (RC) St. Mary, Pro Cathedral, with parents "Garner" Curtis and Catherina Hawkins. I have a familysearch.org record showing that Gardiner Curtis died in 1874. The marriage of Martha Curtis and Patrick Finnegan took place in 1884, 10 years after Gardiner's death. I don't yet know when Catherine Hawkins-Curtis died, but it would have been no earlier than 1866, when she delivered her eleventh known child. My questions are: 1. Who was the Daniel listed in the parents column for Martha? It's unclear whether his surname was Curtis, since the practice for giving names in the parents column seems to have been to list only the forename for the father and both the forename and the maiden name for the mother. I have not come across the name Daniel in any of my research on this family. My guess is that this Daniel was a stand-in for the dead Gardiner, and that he may or may not have had the surname Curtis, and that he may or may not have been Catherine Hawkins-Curtis's current husband. BUT 2. To whom does the "Dead" in the parents' address column refer? Does it mean only that the birth father, Gardiner was dead, or does it mean that both Daniel Whoever and Catherine Hawkins were dead? I vote for the first possibility, since I assume that the birth father was the most significant referent in such a church proceeding. What do you think? PJ, in Texas

Hi NivardThank you very much indeed for the map info and for your very quick response to my enquiry. Very much appreciated.Best wishesMaria > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 10:18:24 +0100 > From: ovington1@sky.com > To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] OLD MAPS OF DUBLIN STREETS C1839 > > Hi Maria > > At > > http://mapco.net/britisle.htm > > You will find > > http://dublin1798.com/ > > Although a little earlier than your period it shows both Mercer street > and French street > > Four squares across from the left and three squares down > > Click on that square and it will bring up an enlargement of that section > > Find St Stephens Green, the first road to the left of the Green running > parallel is Mercer street (York street to King street) which runs into > French street (York street to Cuffe street) > > If you go to googlemaps and enter Mercer street upper Dublin it will > take you there > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > On 10/10/2012 09:54, Maria Mercer wrote: > > > > Hello List RE: DANIEL MCALLISTER MARRIED JULIA CROW - ST. ANDREW'S > > CATHOLIC CHURCH, WESTLAND ROW, DUBLIN - 13 JANUARY 1839.Children:John > > McAllister - Baptised 1839 - St Andrew'sWilliam McAllister - Baptised > > 1841 St Andrew's. Daniel McAllister - Baptised 1843 St Andrew's - > > Died aged 8 months - address listed for this child is FRENCH STREET. > > Can anyone please tell me where to find the old maps of Dublin > > Streets for around 1839-1843. In particular, I am looking for French > > Street Dublin which was renamed MERCER STREET. Can you believe it, > > as my surname is MERCER. I find this amazing. I believe St > > Andrew's Catholic Church, Westland Row, Dublin is south of the river > > Liffey. Many thanks in anticipation.Kind regards to all from > > Brisbane, AustraliaMaria Mercer > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello List RE: DANIEL MCALLISTER MARRIED JULIA CROW - ST. ANDREW'S CATHOLIC CHURCH, WESTLAND ROW, DUBLIN - 13 JANUARY 1839.Children:John McAllister - Baptised 1839 - St Andrew'sWilliam McAllister - Baptised 1841 St Andrew's. Daniel McAllister - Baptised 1843 St Andrew's - Died aged 8 months - address listed for this child is FRENCH STREET. Can anyone please tell me where to find the old maps of Dublin Streets for around 1839-1843. In particular, I am looking for French Street Dublin which was renamed MERCER STREET. Can you believe it, as my surname is MERCER. I find this amazing. I believe St Andrew's Catholic Church, Westland Row, Dublin is south of the river Liffey. Many thanks in anticipation.Kind regards to all from Brisbane, AustraliaMaria Mercer

New story. They hadn't wanted to talk about the new museum until it was finished - a huge project: http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2012/10/08/entertainment/arts/doc506f661fe1e70438777630.txt I haven't had time to read it all and I am wondering what might be accessible on-line? Janet

Hi Maria At http://mapco.net/britisle.htm You will find http://dublin1798.com/ Although a little earlier than your period it shows both Mercer street and French street Four squares across from the left and three squares down Click on that square and it will bring up an enlargement of that section Find St Stephens Green, the first road to the left of the Green running parallel is Mercer street (York street to King street) which runs into French street (York street to Cuffe street) If you go to googlemaps and enter Mercer street upper Dublin it will take you there Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/10/2012 09:54, Maria Mercer wrote: > > Hello List RE: DANIEL MCALLISTER MARRIED JULIA CROW - ST. ANDREW'S > CATHOLIC CHURCH, WESTLAND ROW, DUBLIN - 13 JANUARY 1839.Children:John > McAllister - Baptised 1839 - St Andrew'sWilliam McAllister - Baptised > 1841 St Andrew's. Daniel McAllister - Baptised 1843 St Andrew's - > Died aged 8 months - address listed for this child is FRENCH STREET. > Can anyone please tell me where to find the old maps of Dublin > Streets for around 1839-1843. In particular, I am looking for French > Street Dublin which was renamed MERCER STREET. Can you believe it, > as my surname is MERCER. I find this amazing. I believe St > Andrew's Catholic Church, Westland Row, Dublin is south of the river > Liffey. Many thanks in anticipation.Kind regards to all from > Brisbane, AustraliaMaria Mercer

(Very Brief ) Paupers were Government Property and each morning at 7a.m. dressed in their rough work house clothes and brogues and assembled and waiting in the central hall for prayers, the roll call was called, then they were inspected for cleanliness, once finished they took their pannies and tin mugs and lined up for their stir-about and milk, and their daily routine had begun, once finished they were set to their days labours. Their days were long and they could not return to their dormitories until 8p.m. and that was only to sleep, their was no social life. The main classes of persons within a workhouse were sturdy beggars, disorderly woman, the old and the infirm, and orphan children. 'Rattle my bones over the stones, I am an old pauper that nobody owns' (Workhouse saying) By 1847 the fever in Ireland had reached an epidemic proportion, all over the country, it being made rampant by the fact no accommodation was adequate and the sick and dying were crowded into wards, sometimes as many as four and five or more to a bed., it is recorded that in Fermoy as many as thirty children were crowded into three beds. Hygiene was not at all at its highest and at Lurgan the fever dead were buried not far from the hospital around the well which supplied the workhouse water. Mortality was high as those who had succumbed to the fever had not yet recovered from the famine, medical and nursing facilities were scarce. Mortality even among staff was high. The tragic aspect of the workhouse was the separation of families. Children over two years of age were put in children's wards. Mothers and daughters under two years went into female quarters, fathers and sons in the male quarters. Many families never saw each other alive again, now if a member of these separated families survived no record of who that child belonged to can be certain of, unless of course you were lucky enough to find a parish register listing a baptism to the parents. Death became a way of life in the workhouse and the, Irish Poor Law Relief Extension Act of June 1847, empowered the Guardians to buy land adjacent or near the workhouse for use as burial grounds for deceased inmates of the workhouse, as the ordinary graveyards were unable to cope with the vast numbers of workhouse dead. These workhouse graves, are the loneliest patches of soil in Ireland. The burying of the stranger among the friendless poor, these lands became known as the Paupers Plot, or the Potters field. Deaths were numerous and many were buried without coffins. The Guardian did have power to arrange for the burial of poor person's but corpses were often left in the cabins that they had died in and they were knocked down and they were entombed. When conditions improved in the country somewhat, the relatives and friends that were able to afford it, claimed the bodies of inmates dying in the workhouse and arranged those burials so some did not become burials of paupers. Paupers graves were gradually discontinued and eventually the local sanitary authority became the main burial board for the provision of graveyards and decent burials under the Burial Act 1856 and the Public Health Act 1878-1879. These acts also helped to offset some of the abuse under the Anatomy Act of 1832 which decreed that 'unclaimed bodies of paupers who had died in workhouses should be made available to medical schools where they could be used for dissections in anatomy classes. However it does need to be remembered that not all chose to die in a workhouse. A summation on the 1851 Census of Ireland stated: No person has recorded the number of forlorn and starving who perished by the wayside or in the ditches, or of the mournful groups, sometimes of whole families who lay down and died, one after another, upon the floor of their miserable cabins, and so remained un-coffined and unburied till chance unveiled the appalling scene. NO SUCH amount of suffering amid such misery has been chronicled in Irish History an yet, through all, the forbearance of the Irish peasantry and the calm submission with which they bore the deadliest ills that can fall on man, can scarcely be paralleled in the annals of any people, ( Dawson Papers PRO Ireland ) By 1862 care for the sick was improved. The Poor Relief ( Ireland ) Act 1862, provided for the admission to the hospital wards of the workhouse, people requiring medical and surgical aid. Admission was at the discretion of the Guardians and a charge was made. The Guardians were also able to send any inmate of workhouse's who required treatment to any hospital ( including Voluntary hospitals) willing to receive them, and to pay the cost of treatment and conveyance, also it repealed the section of the 1847 Act which prohibited the giving of relief in a workhouse to a person who had over a quarter of an acre of land ( prohibition of granting outdoor relief to such persons remained in force until 1921) Originally no qualification were prescribed for nurses, and so therefore unqualified and inexperienced persons were often employed. In 1861 the appointment of Sisters of Mercy, who were dedicated to the relief of sick poor as qualified nurses ( still raises a question on where they were trained) These sisters were also covered by a vow of service to human needs. So this brings me to this in my writing, of the often asked question *why cant I find a headstone for my family* in this time frame to have a stone erected you would have had to have had money, and at least a living member of the family to record their passing, I can say for sure that in the area of Rathdrum in Co Wicklow their was a diligent priest at the time who recorded in his parish records the deaths from the workhouse there, but those books are in the custodial keeping of the priest at Rathdrum and for you to see them you would need to make a donation, a plea, and an appointment long in advance of your trip to said place. Stones often erected for the family in this time frame are erected by a member of the family who has found themselves well off in far off Australia or USA, and can be found in the parish churchyard, of the place that person was born in, this does not mean that the mortal remains are buried there, but the thought that binds the family together is the raising of a stone. The public hospital system in Ireland evolved from the Workhouses, and together with County infirmaries of which there were 27, and County Fever Hospitals of which their were 12 established under enactments of 1763,1805,1806,1814,1817, which were administered apart from the Poor Law, provided a framework which went some way towards meeting the medical needs of the poor . However it was not until 1851 that the Medical Charities Act laid the foundation of what was to become known as the Poor Law Medical Service, The Boards of Guardians were empowered to divide each Union into dispensary districts, appoint medical officers, and supply medicines and appliances. The Medical officer was required to give free medical service, treatment and medicines to the poor persons resident in the dispensary district, this system was eventually replaced by 'Choice of Doctor's Scheme for medical card holders under the Medical Health Act of 1970. Midwives were also provided under the act in a tentative attempt at a system of public health nursing. These 'Midwives' received no formal training and were popularly known as 'handy-women'. It was not until 1895 that midwives appointed by the Boards of Guardians were required to have a certificate from a recognised Lying-in-Hospital as to their competency of midwifery, or produce satisfactory evidence of approved practical knowledge of midwifery. *The Workhouse was the most dreaded and feared institution in Ireland,. The Workhouse system of poor relief was imposed on the Irish people in spite of the opposition of Catholic, and Protestant, landlord and labourer. It was said it would never work, and it did not work, During the famine years countless thousands died within the workhouse walls, even more, who were denied admission, died outside.* Further reading and a Brilliant Read The Workhouses of Ireland ' The fate of Ireland's Poor -John O'Connor Collection of surviving drawings of workhouses are housed in the Irish Architectural Archives .( Brilliant web site of workhouses etc can be located at 23 Union Indoor Workhouse Registers which give documentation of inmates Poor Law Union papers can be found in NAI Dublin plus PRO http://www.irishfamilyresearch.co.uk/EssentialResource8.htm http://www.youririshroots.com/irishhistory/workhouses.php Cheers from here Cara

Thanks Cara: Very Interesting........Edd in Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara" <cara_links@bigpond.com> To: <ireland-cemeteries@rootsweb.com>; <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com>; <cotipperary@rootsweb.com>; <WATERFORD-L-request@rootsweb.com> Cc: <irl-tombstone-inscriptions@rootsweb.com>; <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com>; <wexford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 2:13 AM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Paupers, Workhouses, Midwives, Health Acts,possibly more (Very Brief ) Paupers were Government Property and each morning at 7a.m. dressed in their rough work house clothes and brogues and assembled and waiting in the central hall for prayers, the roll call was called, then they were inspected for cleanliness, once finished they took their pannies and tin mugs and lined up for their stir-about and milk, and their daily routine had begun, once finished they were set to their days labours. Their days were long and they could not return to their dormitories until 8p.m. and that was only to sleep, their was no social life. The main classes of persons within a workhouse were sturdy beggars, disorderly woman, the old and the infirm, and orphan children. 'Rattle my bones over the stones, I am an old pauper that nobody owns' (Workhouse saying) By 1847 the fever in Ireland had reached an epidemic proportion, all over the country, it being made rampant by the fact no accommodation was adequate and the sick and dying were crowded into wards, sometimes as many as four and five or more to a bed., it is recorded that in Fermoy as many as thirty children were crowded into three beds. Hygiene was not at all at its highest and at Lurgan the fever dead were buried not far from the hospital around the well which supplied the workhouse water. Mortality was high as those who had succumbed to the fever had not yet recovered from the famine, medical and nursing facilities were scarce. Mortality even among staff was high. The tragic aspect of the workhouse was the separation of families. Children over two years of age were put in children's wards. Mothers and daughters under two years went into female quarters, fathers and sons in the male quarters. Many families never saw each other alive again, now if a member of these separated families survived no record of who that child belonged to can be certain of, unless of course you were lucky enough to find a parish register listing a baptism to the parents. Death became a way of life in the workhouse and the, Irish Poor Law Relief Extension Act of June 1847, empowered the Guardians to buy land adjacent or near the workhouse for use as burial grounds for deceased inmates of the workhouse, as the ordinary graveyards were unable to cope with the vast numbers of workhouse dead. These workhouse graves, are the loneliest patches of soil in Ireland. The burying of the stranger among the friendless poor, these lands became known as the Paupers Plot, or the Potters field. Deaths were numerous and many were buried without coffins. The Guardian did have power to arrange for the burial of poor person's but corpses were often left in the cabins that they had died in and they were knocked down and they were entombed. When conditions improved in the country somewhat, the relatives and friends that were able to afford it, claimed the bodies of inmates dying in the workhouse and arranged those burials so some did not become burials of paupers. Paupers graves were gradually discontinued and eventually the local sanitary authority became the main burial board for the provision of graveyards and decent burials under the Burial Act 1856 and the Public Health Act 1878-1879. These acts also helped to offset some of the abuse under the Anatomy Act of 1832 which decreed that 'unclaimed bodies of paupers who had died in workhouses should be made available to medical schools where they could be used for dissections in anatomy classes. However it does need to be remembered that not all chose to die in a workhouse. A summation on the 1851 Census of Ireland stated: No person has recorded the number of forlorn and starving who perished by the wayside or in the ditches, or of the mournful groups, sometimes of whole families who lay down and died, one after another, upon the floor of their miserable cabins, and so remained un-coffined and unburied till chance unveiled the appalling scene. NO SUCH amount of suffering amid such misery has been chronicled in Irish History an yet, through all, the forbearance of the Irish peasantry and the calm submission with which they bore the deadliest ills that can fall on man, can scarcely be paralleled in the annals of any people, ( Dawson Papers PRO Ireland ) By 1862 care for the sick was improved. The Poor Relief ( Ireland ) Act 1862, provided for the admission to the hospital wards of the workhouse, people requiring medical and surgical aid. Admission was at the discretion of the Guardians and a charge was made. The Guardians were also able to send any inmate of workhouse's who required treatment to any hospital ( including Voluntary hospitals) willing to receive them, and to pay the cost of treatment and conveyance, also it repealed the section of the 1847 Act which prohibited the giving of relief in a workhouse to a person who had over a quarter of an acre of land ( prohibition of granting outdoor relief to such persons remained in force until 1921) Originally no qualification were prescribed for nurses, and so therefore unqualified and inexperienced persons were often employed. In 1861 the appointment of Sisters of Mercy, who were dedicated to the relief of sick poor as qualified nurses ( still raises a question on where they were trained) These sisters were also covered by a vow of service to human needs. So this brings me to this in my writing, of the often asked question *why cant I find a headstone for my family* in this time frame to have a stone erected you would have had to have had money, and at least a living member of the family to record their passing, I can say for sure that in the area of Rathdrum in Co Wicklow their was a diligent priest at the time who recorded in his parish records the deaths from the workhouse there, but those books are in the custodial keeping of the priest at Rathdrum and for you to see them you would need to make a donation, a plea, and an appointment long in advance of your trip to said place. Stones often erected for the family in this time frame are erected by a member of the family who has found themselves well off in far off Australia or USA, and can be found in the parish churchyard, of the place that person was born in, this does not mean that the mortal remains are buried there, but the thought that binds the family together is the raising of a stone. The public hospital system in Ireland evolved from the Workhouses, and together with County infirmaries of which there were 27, and County Fever Hospitals of which their were 12 established under enactments of 1763,1805,1806,1814,1817, which were administered apart from the Poor Law, provided a framework which went some way towards meeting the medical needs of the poor . However it was not until 1851 that the Medical Charities Act laid the foundation of what was to become known as the Poor Law Medical Service, The Boards of Guardians were empowered to divide each Union into dispensary districts, appoint medical officers, and supply medicines and appliances. The Medical officer was required to give free medical service, treatment and medicines to the poor persons resident in the dispensary district, this system was eventually replaced by 'Choice of Doctor's Scheme for medical card holders under the Medical Health Act of 1970. Midwives were also provided under the act in a tentative attempt at a system of public health nursing. These 'Midwives' received no formal training and were popularly known as 'handy-women'. It was not until 1895 that midwives appointed by the Boards of Guardians were required to have a certificate from a recognised Lying-in-Hospital as to their competency of midwifery, or produce satisfactory evidence of approved practical knowledge of midwifery. *The Workhouse was the most dreaded and feared institution in Ireland,. The Workhouse system of poor relief was imposed on the Irish people in spite of the opposition of Catholic, and Protestant, landlord and labourer. It was said it would never work, and it did not work, During the famine years countless thousands died within the workhouse walls, even more, who were denied admission, died outside.* Further reading and a Brilliant Read The Workhouses of Ireland ' The fate of Ireland's Poor -John O'Connor Collection of surviving drawings of workhouses are housed in the Irish Architectural Archives .( Brilliant web site of workhouses etc can be located at 23 Union Indoor Workhouse Registers which give documentation of inmates Poor Law Union papers can be found in NAI Dublin plus PRO http://www.irishfamilyresearch.co.uk/EssentialResource8.htm http://www.youririshroots.com/irishhistory/workhouses.php Cheers from here Cara ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. 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The Diary of Mary Martin A Family at War: Mary Martin’s Diary, 1 January – 25 May 1916 is an online scholarly edition of the Diary of Mary Martin, a widow and mother of twelve children, living in the affluent Dublin suburb of Monkstown. Mary wrote the diary to her son Charlie, a soldier with the Royal Dublin Fusiliers who went missing in action on the Salonika front, in the hope that one day he would return home and be able to read it. Set against the backdrop of the Easter Rising and the First World War, the diary chronicles the daily activities of Mary, her family, friends and relatives. http://dh.tcd.ie/martindiary/ -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

May be of interest http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1001/1224324668622.html -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

1901-1911 Irish Census Whenever the census is consulted be it 1901-1911 we are looking mainly for genealogy data and thankfully in Ireland the original household schedules survived, often written in our ancestor's hand writing and now all available on line in a digitised format at www.census.nationalarchives.ie <http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/> . Each census record begins with a primary return known as Form A, this covers the basic genealogical details we are seeking. But your ancestors can be found on different forms, 1-Shipping returns-form B3 2-Workhouse -Form E 3-Hospitals-Form F 4-Academic bodies Form G 5-Barracks Form H 6-Assylums Form I 7- Prisons Form K 8-The sick at home plus Form C 9- Lunatics' or 'idiots' at home Form D As well as on the key primary Form A On the primary form A returns in the top right hand side of page a number is given, No, On Form B, duly noted this number can help you locate more information for your household within the subsequent pages. Form N the Enumerator's extract summarises the information from Form A, but it also lists how many houses were inhabited, how many people were in each household, and the sex of each person and religion., it pinpoints boundaries within which area your ancestors house existed, with the added information of the PLU, DED , townland and parish etc. Don't be in too much of hurry to decide this is not worth a search, as it does indeed show that whilst Form A may list your party as a 'head of household' it does not mean he is the head of the 'entire household' there may well be others living within the property, making up a separate household but still residing in same property. So From N and B1 Can help you flesh your family's domestic situation out considerably The form B1 in the House and Building return. Not to be ignored either, there are four key sections, with each line relating to different households, the first section corresponds to form A allowing you to seek out your correct family, then it is followed by a series of questions about the buildings, whether built, being built, dwelling, public, school, factory, hotel etc., and more. The second part asks for particulars on the building etc The Third section then asks Under Families, number of families in building as well as how many rooms occupied by each, the total number of people, in each family and the numbers of who may have been sick on census night, it also provides head of households, in the building and the name of the landholder. The fourth section relates to the landowner only a further form M1 filled in by them not available online. Sometimes for some households there is a further form B2 Consulting the subsequent forms should be as important as looking at Form A or the Primary Form you need, As well as fleshing out your families situation it may hold a key to neighbours, and friends and no doubt to some of those related to your family . I am not preaching to those who know, just allowing that some may not know to go further into these forms, because it is only in the past 6 months I have learnt these things myself. Cheers I now have a net server again Cara

Although this is not new data in itself its a good way to access it Source Information Ancestry.com. Web: Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1750-2011 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2012. Original data: Find A Grave. Find A Grave, 2012. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi: accessed 16 August 2012. About Web: Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1750-2011 Note: All data in this third-party database was obtained from the source’s website. Ancestry.com does not support or make corrections or changes to the original database. To learn more about these records, please refer to the source’s website. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

It can also be erratic, working sometimes and others not. But it can make use of the search engine that matches up your search focus and it can be brilliant. The more you click on the hits on the right side (and get the correct person) the more hits you are likely to get. It can be VERY useful <G> Findagrave is where you make any needed corrections. Eliz On Sat, Sep 29, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: > Although this is not new data in itself its a good way to access it > > Source Information > Ancestry.com. Web: Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1750-2011 [database > on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc., 2012. > Original data: Find A Grave. Find A Grave, 2012. > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi: accessed 16 August 2012. > > About Web: Ireland, Find A Grave Index, 1750-2011 > > Note: All data in this third-party database was obtained from the > source’s website. Ancestry.com does not support or make corrections or > changes to the original database. To learn more about these records, > please refer to the source’s website. > -- > > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi PJ, Thanks for sharing this wonderful book. Regards Marion Sydney Australia Sent from Marion's IPad On 28/09/2012, at 10:16 PM, pjsalis@hal-pc.org wrote: > > Hello all, > > I just found this old reference book, free online for viewing. The table > of contents lists sections on apothecary to wood-comber. I found several > interesting pages on both bricklayer and plumber, for example. I used the > print-screen function to copy pages I want to keep and paste them in a > Word document. > > The book of English trades, and library of the useful arts, by Sir R. > Phillips. London: Stereotyped by G. Sidney, for R. Phillips; published by > J. Souter, 1818. > > http://archive.org/stream/bookenglishtrad00unkngoog#page/n10/mode/2up > > PJ, in Texas > > > > > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Julie It is worth noting that you have to have the correct fare when using a bus in Dublin as change is not given. All even number postcodes are on the South side of Dublin and all odd numbers are in the North. The National Archives require photographic ID. When I was there I requested to see 5 documents but I wasted time because I thought that they would all automatically be given to me but you have to take each document back to a side room before the next one is released to you! When in the centre take 10 minutes out and pop into the GPO, it's a beautiful building. Jackie On 28 Sep 2012, at 08:10, irl-dublin-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > ******************************** > 1- CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE > 2- REMOVE THE BULK OF THE MAIL-NO-ONE WANTS DOWNLOAD ENDLESS DIGEST MAILS OF NO INTEREST TO THEM. > > > -------------------------------------- > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Planning a genealogical trip to Dublin - a composite of > ideas. (Julie Boyd) > 2. Re: Planning a genealogical trip to Dublin - a composite of > ideas. (Nivard Ovington) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 22:04:51 +1200 (NZST) > From: Julie Boyd <optimum.boyd@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Planning a genealogical trip to Dublin - a > composite of ideas. > To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <1348740291.13217.YahooMailClassic@web96005.mail.aue.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > ? > Here is my composite to date. I have had three replies which I have combined. I am keen to hear from anybody else, especially from travellers to Dublin. What worked well for you, and what didn't go so well. > ? > Thank you so much to those that have provided this information. I know my trip will be so much more valuable. ? > ? > ? > "Before you come have all your names and dates and an idea of what you want to achieve. > You should also consider findmypast.com subscription. If you use the .com site rather than their .ie site you can access world records not just Irish ones. > ? > Look at the websites of the above places before you come. That will save you time running from one to another. > Check that your dates don?t clash with an Irish Bank Holiday weekend. Christmas and New Year is a particularly bad time as some close for two weeks. There is a Bank holiday nearly every month with the exception of Feb, July, Sept & Nov. Usually they fall the 1st weekend of the month with the exception of St. Patricks day in March, Easter in April, (Oct=last weekend), Christmas in Dec. > The 1st Monday in June is always a Bank Holiday so the Saturday before and that Monday the libraries would all be closed. You won?t get any research done, The hostels are quite good you're coming on your own+ the least expensive. > If you're coming into Dublin Airport, get the Aircoach into Busaras in the city centre. > If you want to travel outside Dublin, the trains are great & it only takes 2 + half hrs to get to Galway or Cork. > ? > Contact the Church for an appointment to look at the church and graveyard. Nearly all the original Church records/ registers have been given to the NL or the RCB. > The RCB library is in south Dublin. > ? > Allocate a morning to the free advisory service in The National Library in Kildare St. They might give you some pointers. > ? > The Registry of Deeds will require a day or two at least. > The National Archives in Bishop St is another venue. > There is also the GRO for BMD records. Allow a full day for this as the books or reels you want might be in use by others and you may have to queue for them The Valuation Office which show the occupier of holdings after Griffith;s Valuation up to the 1970?s. > Dublin City Library & Archive in Pearse St holds many Dublin records and has a number of computers with genealogy databases. Allow a full day for this as the books or reels you want might be in use by others and you may have to queue for these also. They have street directories available on their open shelves and are very helpful. You could e mail them in advance with your research interest and that might speed things up when you go there. > ? > The Dublin City Library is open 10-5pm on Saturday?s and the National Library 10-1pm. Both are closed on bank holiday weekends. > ? > All the above except the RCB are within walking distance from the City Centre. The Registry of Deeds and National Archives are the furthest away but if you have comfortable footwear it shouldn?t be a problem. The RCB requires a bus journey. Drumcondra/Philipsburgh Avenue is easily accessible by bus or 30 minute walk from City Centre. > Trinity College, Christchurch and Guiness, are all on the same route and a bus can get you from A to B here in 10 mins or so depending on traffic. > You should bring ID as most libraries/archives will require proof of identity and proof of? > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-DUBLIN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 297 > ******************************************

---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: FW: Feedback message from IrishGenealogy From: "Genealogy" <Genealogy@ahg.gov.ie> Date: Fri, September 28, 2012 11:10 am To: "pjsalis@hal-pc.org" <pjsalis@hal-pc.org> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Many thanks for your comments There are no plans to add records from that County (South Dublin) to the website. However, you may wish to try the website of the Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF) http://www.rootsireland.ie as records for other counties are on this site. Please note that the IFHF site charges a fee for each record searched. feedback@irishgenealogy.ie -----Original Message----- From: PJ Salis [mailto:system@irishgenealogy.ie] Sent: 22 September 2012 22:05 To: Genealogy Subject: Feedback message from IrishGenealogy User message is below -------------------------------------------------------------- Name: PJ Salis E-mail: pjsalis@hal-pc.org Message: The Dublin city church records have been an invaluable resource for me in my search for Curtis ancestors. Most of my ancestors, though, lived in Kingstown and held their ceremonies at Ch. of St. Michael there. Are there any plans to digitize that church's records? If so, can you project a date? Many, many thanks. PJ Salis, Texas ============================================================= An Roinn Ealaíon, Oidhreachta agus Gaeltachta, ag tacú le Tóstal Éireann 2013. Téigh chuig www.thegatheringireland.com agus Bí Páirteach ann! Department of Arts, Heritage and the Gaeltacht, supporting the Gathering Ireland 2013. Go to www.thegatheringireland.com and Be Part of it!

Hello all, I just found this old reference book, free online for viewing. The table of contents lists sections on apothecary to wood-comber. I found several interesting pages on both bricklayer and plumber, for example. I used the print-screen function to copy pages I want to keep and paste them in a Word document. The book of English trades, and library of the useful arts, by Sir R. Phillips. London: Stereotyped by G. Sidney, for R. Phillips; published by J. Souter, 1818. http://archive.org/stream/bookenglishtrad00unkngoog#page/n10/mode/2up PJ, in Texas

  Here is my composite to date. I have had three replies which I have combined. I am keen to hear from anybody else, especially from travellers to Dublin. What worked well for you, and what didn't go so well.   Thank you so much to those that have provided this information. I know my trip will be so much more valuable.       "Before you come have all your names and dates and an idea of what you want to achieve. You should also consider findmypast.com subscription. If you use the .com site rather than their .ie site you can access world records not just Irish ones.   Look at the websites of the above places before you come. That will save you time running from one to another. Check that your dates don’t clash with an Irish Bank Holiday weekend. Christmas and New Year is a particularly bad time as some close for two weeks. There is a Bank holiday nearly every month with the exception of Feb, July, Sept & Nov. Usually they fall the 1st weekend of the month with the exception of St. Patricks day in March, Easter in April, (Oct=last weekend), Christmas in Dec. The 1st Monday in June is always a Bank Holiday so the Saturday before and that Monday the libraries would all be closed. You won’t get any research done, The hostels are quite good you're coming on your own+ the least expensive. If you're coming into Dublin Airport, get the Aircoach into Busaras in the city centre. If you want to travel outside Dublin, the trains are great & it only takes 2 + half hrs to get to Galway or Cork.   Contact the Church for an appointment to look at the church and graveyard. Nearly all the original Church records/ registers have been given to the NL or the RCB. The RCB library is in south Dublin.   Allocate a morning to the free advisory service in The National Library in Kildare St. They might give you some pointers.   The Registry of Deeds will require a day or two at least. The National Archives in Bishop St is another venue. There is also the GRO for BMD records. Allow a full day for this as the books or reels you want might be in use by others and you may have to queue for them The Valuation Office which show the occupier of holdings after Griffith;s Valuation up to the 1970’s. Dublin City Library & Archive in Pearse St holds many Dublin records and has a number of computers with genealogy databases. Allow a full day for this as the books or reels you want might be in use by others and you may have to queue for these also. They have street directories available on their open shelves and are very helpful. You could e mail them in advance with your research interest and that might speed things up when you go there.   The Dublin City Library is open 10-5pm on Saturday’s and the National Library 10-1pm. Both are closed on bank holiday weekends.   All the above except the RCB are within walking distance from the City Centre. The Registry of Deeds and National Archives are the furthest away but if you have comfortable footwear it shouldn’t be a problem. The RCB requires a bus journey. Drumcondra/Philipsburgh Avenue is easily accessible by bus or 30 minute walk from City Centre. Trinity College, Christchurch and Guiness, are all on the same route and a bus can get you from A to B here in 10 mins or so depending on traffic. You should bring ID as most libraries/archives will require proof of identity and proof of  address."   Julie

Hi Julie Only a small comment on findmypast I don't know about others who may use it but I find it the most frustrating and difficult to use site I have ever used (and I think I have used most sites) So I would recommend a trial first or you are likely to be disappointed It seems you almost need to know the answer first to be able to find something, which is defeating the object somewhat That is using the worldwide site, I have not used the ie version I do know the UK site is completely different for searching to the Worldwide Also the worldwide subscription, despite its name only has access to about 90% of the UK records, I do not know if the ie versus worldwide is the same Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 27/09/2012 11:04, Julie Boyd wrote: > > Here is my composite to date. I have had three replies which I have > combined. I am keen to hear from anybody else, especially from > travellers to Dublin. What worked well for you, and what didn't go so > well. > > Thank you so much to those that have provided this information. I > know my trip will be so much more valuable. > > > "Before you come have all your names and dates and an idea of what > you want to achieve. You should also consider findmypast.com > subscription. If you use the .com site rather than their .ie site you > can access world records not just Irish ones.