June 1841 1-June 3/1841:- Malachy Kelly, Esq., of Woodmount Roscommon, shot in a duel with Owen Lynch esq., Rathfeake, co Galway. The father Mr. H Kelly, was present, and loaded the pistols. 2-June 7/1841:- At Dublin Capt Robert Prescott eaton, h.p. late of 28th regt. 3-June 12/1841:- At Limerick aged 34, Capt Fred Coutard Barlow, 20th Foot. Ensign 1824-Lieut.1827/Capt.1829. 4-June 14/1841:- At Kingstown Near Dublin, Eliza, the wife of T. Shearman, esq., of Camberwell 5-June 17/1841;-At the house of her son-in-law, Dr. Lloyd, Limerick, the widow of Capt. Hodges and motehr of col Hodges, late Consul-Gen at Alexandria. 6-June 17/1841;-At Dublin, James Catbrew, Esq, of Her Majesty's court of Exechequer. 7-June 23/1841:-At Rathdrum near Dublin (Co Wicklow) Peter Tooke (Tuke) Robinson, late capt, in the 16th Lancers. 8-June 1841 Lately, at his residence, Swanbrook, Frederick Darley, esq., the senior Alderman of Dublin.

May 1841 1-May 2/1841:- At Maryborough, Ensign Hodsson late 12th Foot 2-Lately:- at Dublin Anna Sophia, wife of Lieut-Col., e Knight. h.p. un-attached. 3-At Cootehill, age 80, Capt Samuel Beatty formerly of the Royal Wagon Train. 4-May 17/1841:-Aged 56 Robert Hall, esq, of Merton Hall near Uskane. He had recently purchased his estate, and was shot by an assassin, in consequence of having given some tenants notice to quit. He married Miss Litton, sister to Edward Litton, Esq., M.P. for Coleraine 5-May 31/1841:- At Ratherscar, Co Louth, aged 18, Charles Foster Esq., fourth son of Baron Foster. The deceased and Mr. Arthur Foster son of hte Rev Mr. Foster, vicar of Collon, his uncle went in a small boat on the lake of Collon, in the Demse of Lord Ferrard, when the boat upset, and the deceased drwoned. 6-Lately at the seat of Sir A. De Vere, Bart., aged one years, Theodosia Mary, daugher of the Hon. S. E . Spring Rice. Source for all is the Gentleman's magazine 1841 Sourced from the /Gentleman's magazine 1841

APRIL 1841 1-April 7/1841:-At Newry, Lieut. R.N. Carlisle, h.p. 25th regts., and late of the 86th regt. 2-April 10/1841:- At Dublin, Brevet Major B.M. Bell late of the 22nd regt and formerly of the 40th regt., 3-April 30/1841:- At Dublin, Lieut. James Gilbert, R.N. Chief Officer, coast guard Sourced from the /Gentleman's magazine 1841

MARCH 1841 1-March 19/1841:- At Dublin, John James Eldest son of the late Joseph James Esq., of Ashley, Devonshire. 2-March 25/1841:- Aged 55, Maria wife of John Kennedy, esq., of Dunbrody Park Wexford. Sourced from the /Gentleman's magazine 1841

Great poem Cara, Merry Christmass to you all, and to everyone on the list. Maggie

Loved the Ozzie twang to that Xmas poem. Paddy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara" <cara_links@bigpond.com> To: <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com>; <WEXFORD-L-request@rootsweb.com> Cc: <ireland-obits@rootsweb.com>; <irl-tombstone-inscriptions@rootsweb.com>; <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com>; <ireland-cemeteries@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: [IRELAND-CEMETERIES] Merry Christmas from down under Aussie style.to all. > 'Twas the night before Christmas; there wasn't a sound. > Not a possum was stirring; no-one was around. > We'd left on the table some tucker and beer, > Hoping that Santa Claus soon would be here; > > We children were snuggled up safe in our beds, > While dreams of pavlova danced 'round in our heads; > And Mum in her nightie, and Dad in his shorts, > Had just settled down to watch TV sports. > > When outside the house a mad ruckus arose; > Loud squeaking and banging woke us from our doze. > We ran to the screen door, peeked cautiously out, > snuck onto the deck, then let out a shout. > > Guess what had woken us up from our snooze, > But a rusty old Ute pulled by eight mighty 'roos. > The cheerful man driving was giggling with glee, > And we both knew at once who this plump bloke must be. > > Now, I'm telling the truth it's all dinki-di, > Those eight kangaroos fairly soared through the sky. > Santa leaned out the window to pull at the reins, > And encouraged the 'roos, by calling their names. > > 'Now, Kylie! Now, Kirsty! Now, Shazza and Shane! > On Kipper! On, Skipper! On, Bazza and Wayne! > Park up on that water tank. Grab a quick drink, > I'll scoot down the gum tree. Be back in a wink!' > > So up to the tank those eight kangaroos flew, > With the Ute full of toys, and Santa Claus too. > He slid down the gum tree and jumped to the ground, > Then in through the window he sprang with a bound. > > He had bright sunburned cheeks and a milky white beard. > A jolly old joker was how he appeared. > He wore red stubby shorts and old thongs on his feet, > And a hat of deep crimson as shade from the heat. > > His eyes - bright as opals - Oh! How they twinkled! > And, like a goanna, his skin was quite wrinkled! > His shirt was stretched over a round bulging belly > Which shook when he moved, like a plate full of jelly. > > A fat stack of prezzies he flung from his back, > And he looked like a swaggie unfastening his pack. > He spoke not a word, but bent down on one knee, > To position our goodies beneath the yule tree. > > Surfboard and footy-ball shapes for us two. > And for Dad, tongs to use on the new barbeque. > A mysterious package he left for our Mum, > Then he turned and he winked and he held up his thumb; > > He strolled out on deck and his 'roos came on cue; > Flung his sack in the back and prepared to shoot through. > He bellowed out loud as they swooped past the gates- > > MERRY CHRISTMAS to all, and goodonya, MATES!' > > > Merry Christmas to one and all and may the season, for you and yours be a > happy one. > > God Bless you all, you are such great friends as well as researchers. > > Cheers from Cara and her family. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRELAND-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5979 - Release Date: 12/22/12 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5979 - Release Date: 12/22/12

And Godbless you Cara None of us will forget the help you have given us, makes a real difference. Really the personal touch that gives us the feeling we have friends and that we belong. Have a great Chrismas everyone, hoping to get back in harness some time next year when lif settles down. love to all Paddy Bondi NSW ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara" <cara_links@bigpond.com> To: <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com>; <WEXFORD-L-request@rootsweb.com> Cc: <ireland-obits@rootsweb.com>; <irl-tombstone-inscriptions@rootsweb.com>; <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com>; <ireland-cemeteries@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Merry Christmas from down under Aussie style. to all. > 'Twas the night before Christmas; there wasn't a sound. > Not a possum was stirring; no-one was around. > We'd left on the table some tucker and beer, > Hoping that Santa Claus soon would be here; > > We children were snuggled up safe in our beds, > While dreams of pavlova danced 'round in our heads; > And Mum in her nightie, and Dad in his shorts, > Had just settled down to watch TV sports. > > When outside the house a mad ruckus arose; > Loud squeaking and banging woke us from our doze. > We ran to the screen door, peeked cautiously out, > snuck onto the deck, then let out a shout. > > Guess what had woken us up from our snooze, > But a rusty old Ute pulled by eight mighty 'roos. > The cheerful man driving was giggling with glee, > And we both knew at once who this plump bloke must be. > > Now, I'm telling the truth it's all dinki-di, > Those eight kangaroos fairly soared through the sky. > Santa leaned out the window to pull at the reins, > And encouraged the 'roos, by calling their names. > > 'Now, Kylie! Now, Kirsty! Now, Shazza and Shane! > On Kipper! On, Skipper! On, Bazza and Wayne! > Park up on that water tank. Grab a quick drink, > I'll scoot down the gum tree. Be back in a wink!' > > So up to the tank those eight kangaroos flew, > With the Ute full of toys, and Santa Claus too. > He slid down the gum tree and jumped to the ground, > Then in through the window he sprang with a bound. > > He had bright sunburned cheeks and a milky white beard. > A jolly old joker was how he appeared. > He wore red stubby shorts and old thongs on his feet, > And a hat of deep crimson as shade from the heat. > > His eyes - bright as opals - Oh! How they twinkled! > And, like a goanna, his skin was quite wrinkled! > His shirt was stretched over a round bulging belly > Which shook when he moved, like a plate full of jelly. > > A fat stack of prezzies he flung from his back, > And he looked like a swaggie unfastening his pack. > He spoke not a word, but bent down on one knee, > To position our goodies beneath the yule tree. > > Surfboard and footy-ball shapes for us two. > And for Dad, tongs to use on the new barbeque. > A mysterious package he left for our Mum, > Then he turned and he winked and he held up his thumb; > > He strolled out on deck and his 'roos came on cue; > Flung his sack in the back and prepared to shoot through. > He bellowed out loud as they swooped past the gates- > > MERRY CHRISTMAS to all, and goodonya, MATES!' > > > Merry Christmas to one and all and may the season, for you and yours be a > happy one. > > God Bless you all, you are such great friends as well as researchers. > > Cheers from Cara and her family. > > > ****************************** > Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County > Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5979 - Release Date: 12/22/12 > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5979 - Release Date: 12/22/12

Wishing you all a very happy Christmas and a joyful New Year and many new relatives found in 2013. Janet

'Twas the night before Christmas; there wasn't a sound. Not a possum was stirring; no-one was around. We'd left on the table some tucker and beer, Hoping that Santa Claus soon would be here; We children were snuggled up safe in our beds, While dreams of pavlova danced 'round in our heads; And Mum in her nightie, and Dad in his shorts, Had just settled down to watch TV sports. When outside the house a mad ruckus arose; Loud squeaking and banging woke us from our doze. We ran to the screen door, peeked cautiously out, snuck onto the deck, then let out a shout. Guess what had woken us up from our snooze, But a rusty old Ute pulled by eight mighty 'roos. The cheerful man driving was giggling with glee, And we both knew at once who this plump bloke must be. Now, I'm telling the truth it's all dinki-di, Those eight kangaroos fairly soared through the sky. Santa leaned out the window to pull at the reins, And encouraged the 'roos, by calling their names. 'Now, Kylie! Now, Kirsty! Now, Shazza and Shane! On Kipper! On, Skipper! On, Bazza and Wayne! Park up on that water tank. Grab a quick drink, I'll scoot down the gum tree. Be back in a wink!' So up to the tank those eight kangaroos flew, With the Ute full of toys, and Santa Claus too. He slid down the gum tree and jumped to the ground, Then in through the window he sprang with a bound. He had bright sunburned cheeks and a milky white beard. A jolly old joker was how he appeared. He wore red stubby shorts and old thongs on his feet, And a hat of deep crimson as shade from the heat. His eyes - bright as opals - Oh! How they twinkled! And, like a goanna, his skin was quite wrinkled! His shirt was stretched over a round bulging belly Which shook when he moved, like a plate full of jelly. A fat stack of prezzies he flung from his back, And he looked like a swaggie unfastening his pack. He spoke not a word, but bent down on one knee, To position our goodies beneath the yule tree. Surfboard and footy-ball shapes for us two. And for Dad, tongs to use on the new barbeque. A mysterious package he left for our Mum, Then he turned and he winked and he held up his thumb; He strolled out on deck and his 'roos came on cue; Flung his sack in the back and prepared to shoot through. He bellowed out loud as they swooped past the gates- MERRY CHRISTMAS to all, and goodonya, MATES!' Merry Christmas to one and all and may the season, for you and yours be a happy one. God Bless you all, you are such great friends as well as researchers. Cheers from Cara and her family.

Merry Christmas and thanks for the great poem! On 12/24/2012 3:00 AM, irl-dublin-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ******************************** > 1- CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE > 2- REMOVE THE BULK OF THE MAIL-NO-ONE WANTS DOWNLOAD ENDLESS DIGEST MAILS OF NO INTEREST TO THEM. > > > -------------------------------------- > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: [IRELAND-CEMETERIES] Merry Christmas from down under > Aussie style.to all. (Paddy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 16:13:40 +1100 > From: "Paddy" <salsbry2@bigpond.net.au> > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] [IRELAND-CEMETERIES] Merry Christmas from > down under Aussie style.to all. > To: <ireland-cemeteries@rootsweb.com>, <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com>, > <WEXFORD-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Cc: ireland-cemeteries@rootsweb.com, ireland-obits@rootsweb.com, > irl-tombstone-inscriptions@rootsweb.com, irl-dublin@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8F28178A1BA04C6892D97937589047C9@freddie> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Loved the Ozzie twang to that Xmas poem. > Paddy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cara" <cara_links@bigpond.com> > To: <irl-wicklow@rootsweb.com>; <WEXFORD-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <ireland-obits@rootsweb.com>; <irl-tombstone-inscriptions@rootsweb.com>; > <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com>; <ireland-cemeteries@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 8:56 AM > Subject: [IRELAND-CEMETERIES] Merry Christmas from down under Aussie > style.to all. > > >> 'Twas the night before Christmas; there wasn't a sound. >> Not a possum was stirring; no-one was around. >> We'd left on the table some tucker and beer, >> Hoping that Santa Claus soon would be here; >> >> We children were snuggled up safe in our beds, >> While dreams of pavlova danced 'round in our heads; >> And Mum in her nightie, and Dad in his shorts, >> Had just settled down to watch TV sports. >> >> When outside the house a mad ruckus arose; >> Loud squeaking and banging woke us from our doze. >> We ran to the screen door, peeked cautiously out, >> snuck onto the deck, then let out a shout. >> >> Guess what had woken us up from our snooze, >> But a rusty old Ute pulled by eight mighty 'roos. >> The cheerful man driving was giggling with glee, >> And we both knew at once who this plump bloke must be. >> >> Now, I'm telling the truth it's all dinki-di, >> Those eight kangaroos fairly soared through the sky. >> Santa leaned out the window to pull at the reins, >> And encouraged the 'roos, by calling their names. >> >> 'Now, Kylie! Now, Kirsty! Now, Shazza and Shane! >> On Kipper! On, Skipper! On, Bazza and Wayne! >> Park up on that water tank. Grab a quick drink, >> I'll scoot down the gum tree. Be back in a wink!' >> >> So up to the tank those eight kangaroos flew, >> With the Ute full of toys, and Santa Claus too. >> He slid down the gum tree and jumped to the ground, >> Then in through the window he sprang with a bound. >> >> He had bright sunburned cheeks and a milky white beard. >> A jolly old joker was how he appeared. >> He wore red stubby shorts and old thongs on his feet, >> And a hat of deep crimson as shade from the heat. >> >> His eyes - bright as opals - Oh! How they twinkled! >> And, like a goanna, his skin was quite wrinkled! >> His shirt was stretched over a round bulging belly >> Which shook when he moved, like a plate full of jelly. >> >> A fat stack of prezzies he flung from his back, >> And he looked like a swaggie unfastening his pack. >> He spoke not a word, but bent down on one knee, >> To position our goodies beneath the yule tree. >> >> Surfboard and footy-ball shapes for us two. >> And for Dad, tongs to use on the new barbeque. >> A mysterious package he left for our Mum, >> Then he turned and he winked and he held up his thumb; >> >> He strolled out on deck and his 'roos came on cue; >> Flung his sack in the back and prepared to shoot through. >> He bellowed out loud as they swooped past the gates- >> >> MERRY CHRISTMAS to all, and goodonya, MATES!' >> >> >> Merry Christmas to one and all and may the season, for you and yours be a >> happy one. >> >> God Bless you all, you are such great friends as well as researchers. >> >> Cheers from Cara and her family. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRELAND-CEMETERIES-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5979 - Release Date: 12/22/12 >> > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5979 - Release Date: 12/22/12 > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-DUBLIN list administrator, send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-DUBLIN mailing list, send an email to IRL-DUBLIN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-DUBLIN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 358 > ****************************************** >

I would like to wish everybody on the list a very Merry Christmas and a safe holiday season.   I have made significant progress with my research, both finding new Doolan ancestors, and beginning to learn about their lives from 1700 onwards. The problem is that for every new piece of information there are many more new questions.   I would like to thank Cara for the list, for the links and information contributed via it, and for putting us in touch with others that are so helpful. Thankyou Brian for providing so much via the memorial deeds. I am hoping to begin sorting all the new information over the holiday break. Your patience and comments have really helped.   My most useful tip was provided by another kind man whose name I have mislaid. To search a long document try 'CTRL' and 'F' for a search box.     I am still hoping to get to Ireland in 2013.    Best wishes and successful researching Julie

Hi Cara A little while ago I was rather taken aback, shocked even when I read an Aussie Christmas poem which like this one mentioned Thongs The Poem I read, mentioned Santa in his Thongs and I thought how rude it was (not to mention a little bizarre) Until that is I realised to an Aussie thongs are "flip-flops" which are worn on the feet <g> To us thongs are rather skimpy ladies undies, hence my horror <vbg> Have a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year one and all Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > He had bright sunburned cheeks and a milky white beard. > A jolly old joker was how he appeared. > He wore red stubby shorts and old thongs on his feet, > And a hat of deep crimson as shade from the heat.

22 Nov. 1881 Disentailing deed for ever by John D. and Samuel B. Power, Swansea to William Hitchcock, Wellington Quay, Dublin City of Knockalaher, bar Decies without Drum, Co. Waterford.

A priest yes could and no doubt would baptise a sickly child but Of all and there has been many registers I have transcribed, I have never seen a priest write in any parish register, Private, the only word I saw of any clear statement by a priest was ILL-- which I thought in the beginning of a what seems a hundred years ago now, meant ill........but it meant Illegitimate. that has always been only seen in a Church of Ireland registers. Answering these mails one at a time so as not to confuse thing more -----Original Message----- From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Margaret Cambridge Sent: 17 December 2012 04:50 To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Baptism Cara, You said....... "...........and in the case of the Church of Ireland baptism a child would be baptised at home in a private service, if sickly same, and if quite well, if everything went well at least a month after the childs birth." I imagine a Priest would baptise an infant at home if necessary as well and then would that be mentioned on the baptismal record? Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5963 - Release Date: 12/15/12

I have read all these mails on baptism, and now as I gather some time, I can see none of you are any further ahead in solving what you see as a problem in why and how the baptisms occurred as such. I am assuming as I cannot recall that the Poole family are Church of Ireland or Quakers. In my case the Poole family is Quakers so forgive my assumption on your family. Church of Ireland did not allow a woman into the church whilst she was classed as unclean,( if you do not know what I meant when I say unclean write to me off list ) so therefore that had a bearing on how long before a mother could re-enter her church, every mother liked to be present when her child was baptised and in the case of the Church of Ireland baptism a child would be baptised at home in a private service, if sickly same, and if quite well, if everything went well at least a month after the childs birth. Children were baptised sometimes in groups of 3. 4 and more from the one family, not because they were forgotten but because of circumstances, because sometimes their work moved them around, and the child born in Co Wexford may have had a father who by the time he was found by a travelling clergyman, been working in Dublin, and then out the mother would trot, Jack, Jill and Jenny and they were done as a bulk lot. Farming communities were another that had the problem of getting away from work for a bapstism, and quite often the grandmother presented the child at the church ( RC) for baptism. Happened a lot in Rural areas. Now when the law changed in 1864 which was that every child had to be registered, have you considered little Johnny may have been registered but not necessarily baptised,or bapstised and not registered. Then you had the happy clergyman who stopped by and baptised little Johnny and on the clergymn's way home, on his horse after imbibing a wine or two, he lost the little scrap of paper with Johnnys baptism notes on it, then of course this scrap of paper if it did make it to the church, also, could be placed somewhere for safe keeping, if the parish man was not the one doing the placing in the parish register, but someone else, there is so many things that can happen to a piece of paper. ( I have an original of one of these pieces of papers). You of course have not even allowed for the child who was not at home on the day the priest or vicar called. Bit like the census ( he's not home mister) Now although this is brief synopsis tomorrow I will take the time to take down some examples to show you of all these things happening. Also I will add in what is expected to be found on certs and within a parish register. I am more confused because the facts have not been put in order of what, when why and how, and not enough information was added in, each mail, they should at least say, my family are CofI or RC as the person searching the archives cannot know this for future reference either. Each Religion had their own regulations ( for want of a better word) Cara

Cara, Your comment made me go back and look at all the baptismal records I have and did find a number of instances where St. Mary's documents had "privately" written in the left hand border. My Charlotte POOLE born 10 Dec 1875 was firstly baptised 18 Jan 1875 St. Mary, Pro Cathedral (RC) then on 6 January 1875, over 10 months later, "Privately", St. Mary (COI). Very interesting indeed why she would be baptised privately that long after being baptised RC. Many notes on St. Mary, Pro Cathedral documents written in Latin in the Circumstance column. I have only one which appears to say "Privatum". ...........and one comment "Father Protestant". Thank you Cara. I will study those documents closer from now on. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara" <cara_links@bigpond.com> To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Baptism A priest yes could and no doubt would baptise a sickly child but Of all and there has been many registers I have transcribed, I have never seen a priest write in any parish register, Private, the only word I saw of any clear statement by a priest was ILL-- which I thought in the beginning of a what seems a hundred years ago now, meant ill........but it meant Illegitimate. that has always been only seen in a Church of Ireland registers.

Hi Cara: Would you also comment on why one child would be baptized COI, and the next one, RC ? Jim -----Original Message----- From: Cara Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 6:16 AM To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] POOLE family I have read all these mails on baptism, and now as I gather some time, I can see none of you are any further ahead in solving what you see as a problem in why and how the baptisms occurred as such. I am assuming as I cannot recall that the Poole family are Church of Ireland or Quakers. In my case the Poole family is Quakers so forgive my assumption on your family. Church of Ireland did not allow a woman into the church whilst she was classed as unclean,( if you do not know what I meant when I say unclean write to me off list ) so therefore that had a bearing on how long before a mother could re-enter her church, every mother liked to be present when her child was baptised and in the case of the Church of Ireland baptism a child would be baptised at home in a private service, if sickly same, and if quite well, if everything went well at least a month after the childs birth. Children were baptised sometimes in groups of 3. 4 and more from the one family, not because they were forgotten but because of circumstances, because sometimes their work moved them around, and the child born in Co Wexford may have had a father who by the time he was found by a travelling clergyman, been working in Dublin, and then out the mother would trot, Jack, Jill and Jenny and they were done as a bulk lot. Farming communities were another that had the problem of getting away from work for a bapstism, and quite often the grandmother presented the child at the church ( RC) for baptism. Happened a lot in Rural areas. Now when the law changed in 1864 which was that every child had to be registered, have you considered little Johnny may have been registered but not necessarily baptised,or bapstised and not registered. Then you had the happy clergyman who stopped by and baptised little Johnny and on the clergymn's way home, on his horse after imbibing a wine or two, he lost the little scrap of paper with Johnnys baptism notes on it, then of course this scrap of paper if it did make it to the church, also, could be placed somewhere for safe keeping, if the parish man was not the one doing the placing in the parish register, but someone else, there is so many things that can happen to a piece of paper. ( I have an original of one of these pieces of papers). You of course have not even allowed for the child who was not at home on the day the priest or vicar called. Bit like the census ( he's not home mister) Now although this is brief synopsis tomorrow I will take the time to take down some examples to show you of all these things happening. Also I will add in what is expected to be found on certs and within a parish register. I am more confused because the facts have not been put in order of what, when why and how, and not enough information was added in, each mail, they should at least say, my family are CofI or RC as the person searching the archives cannot know this for future reference either. Each Religion had their own regulations ( for want of a better word) Cara ****************************** Topic: A mailing list for anyone with a genealogical interest in County Dublin, Ireland and the City of Dublin. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Cara, You said....... "...........and in the case of the Church of Ireland baptism a child would be baptised at home in a private service, if sickly same, and if quite well, if everything went well at least a month after the childs birth." I imagine a Priest would baptise an infant at home if necessary as well and then would that be mentioned on the baptismal record? Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada

Cara, Thank you for your comments on baptisms. I have included more info on one particular member of my family. My POOLE family were RC as almost all of the other members of the family were baptised and married in the Catholic church and had all there many children baptised RC. As most of my POOLE men were involved with the United Irishmen & Sinn Fein Volunteers it is possible Charles was away, busy or incarcerated at the time of his children's births which would delay the baptism. Charles POOLE was baptised St Mary's Pro Cathedral (RC) 10 April 1833. Charles POOLE and Charlotte SMITH/SMYTH married Parish Church of St Mary's 25 Dec 1854. Possible baptism of Charlotte 29 Sept 1870 St Michans (RC) Issue: Name, born, bap, Church, Address Maria, born 3 March 1856, bap 27 April 1856 St George (COI) Douglas Place, Temple Street Edward, born 16 June 1858, bap 7 July 1858 St Mary, Pro Cathedral (RC) Granby Place Charles Joseph, born 16 July 1862, bap 10 Aug 1862, St Mary (COI) 8 Denmark Place Joseph Simon, born 16 July 1863, bap 28 Oct 1870, St Michan (RC) Blessington Place Hester, born 28 July 1864, bap 28 Sept 1864 St. Mary (COI) Stafford Steet Frederick William, born 6 Sept 1866, bap 14 Nov 1866, St. Mary (COI) Abbey Street Patrick James, born 8 Sept 1867, bap 28 Oct 1870 St Michan (RC) Blessington Place Margaret Mary, born 22 Jan 1869, bap 22 July 1870, St Michan (RC) Blessington Street Mary Esther, born 29 Aug 1870, bap 28 Oct 1870, St. Michan (RC) Blessington Place Thomas, bap 17 Oct 1871 St Mary Pro Cathedral (RC) Gr Britain Street Maria Charlotte, born 6 Jan 1875, bap 18 Jan 1875, St. Mary, Pro Cathedral (RC) Chapel Lane Mary , born 28 March 1877, bap 22 April 1877, St. George (COI) Nerneys Court & same child baptised again RC. below... Mary Jane, born 28 March 1877, bap 9 May 1883, St Mary, Pro Cathedral (RC) Summer Place William John, born 28 Aug 1879, bap 8 Oct 1879 St. George (COI) Nerneys Court Charles was baptised COI but married in St. Marys Pro Cathedral (RC) Frederick William bap COI married RC Maria Charlotte born 1875 was buried 28 June 1877 William John born 1879 was buried 4 Feb 1880 Deaths of children doesn't seem to interfere with baptisms in those particular years. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara" <cara_links@bigpond.com> I have read all these mails on baptism, and now as I gather some time, I can see none of you are any further ahead in solving what you see as a problem in why and how the baptisms occurred as such. I am assuming as I cannot recall that the Poole family are Church of Ireland or Quakers. In my case the Poole family is Quakers so forgive my assumption on your family. Church of Ireland did not allow a woman into the church whilst she was classed as unclean,( if you do not know what I meant when I say unclean write to me off list ) so therefore that had a bearing on how long before a mother could re-enter her church, every mother liked to be present when her child was baptised and in the case of the Church of Ireland baptism a child would be baptised at home in a private service, if sickly same, and if quite well, if everything went well at least a month after the childs birth. Children were baptised sometimes in groups of 3. 4 and more from the one family, not because they were forgotten but because of circumstances, because sometimes their work moved them around, and the child born in Co Wexford may have had a father who by the time he was found by a travelling clergyman, been working in Dublin, and then out the mother would trot, Jack, Jill and Jenny and they were done as a bulk lot. Farming communities were another that had the problem of getting away from work for a bapstism, and quite often the grandmother presented the child at the church ( RC) for baptism. Happened a lot in Rural areas. Now when the law changed in 1864 which was that every child had to be registered, have you considered little Johnny may have been registered but not necessarily baptised,or bapstised and not registered. Then you had the happy clergyman who stopped by and baptised little Johnny and on the clergymn's way home, on his horse after imbibing a wine or two, he lost the little scrap of paper with Johnnys baptism notes on it, then of course this scrap of paper if it did make it to the church, also, could be placed somewhere for safe keeping, if the parish man was not the one doing the placing in the parish register, but someone else, there is so many things that can happen to a piece of paper. ( I have an original of one of these pieces of papers). You of course have not even allowed for the child who was not at home on the day the priest or vicar called. Bit like the census ( he's not home mister) Now although this is brief synopsis tomorrow I will take the time to take down some examples to show you of all these things happening. Also I will add in what is expected to be found on certs and within a parish register. I am more confused because the facts have not been put in order of what, when why and how, and not enough information was added in, each mail, they should at least say, my family are CofI or RC as the person searching the archives cannot know this for future reference either. Each Religion had their own regulations ( for want of a better word) Cara

Hilda .. darn it .. lol I checked the baptism for her in 1836 .. stated that father was a bricklayer .. marriage he is a shoemaker :( .. might not be him.. Maree