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I also have Tailor ancestors, mine are Michael Doyle who resided at one stage at 9 Ormond Quay Dublin in the Parish of St Michans, he was transported to Australia in 1827. His father was John and his mother Mary. The practice passed down the line of the Doyle family. I would also love to see any information on the Tailors Guild. Cheers Maureen At 04:20 AM 10/1/2006, you wrote: >Ditto for tailor descent, same time frame. Ours were STEVENSON from Co. >Antrim. I'm interested to hear of any way of tracing through the guild >hall. I WAS in Dublin in May - didn't check Guild Halls though! >Wendy >----- Original Message ----- >From: <adriana123@aol.com> >To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:05 PM >Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Looking for info on Tailors in Dublin circa 1840's > > >A fellow tailor descendant! I am looking for info on tailors in Dublin > >during the same period. My O'Byrne family were tailors by trade. I haven't > >found that treasure trove of info from the Guild yet, but I'll share > >anything that comes along. Please keep me in mind if you find anything > >during your travels. > > > > I hope to visit Dublin sometime in 2007. Maybe I can pick up where you > > leave off! > > > > Good luck, JonB > > > > -- Adriana > > GORMLY, CASSIDY, SHANLEY, O'BYRNE, KING, MATTHEWS, JONES, MCGARRY... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jonsfamily.history@ntlworld.com > > To: IRL-DUBLIN-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 1:48 PM > > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Looking for info on Tailors in Dublin circa 1840's > > > > > > By the way, that's tailors the trade, not the surname. > > > > My G-G-Grandfather was EDWARD BURKE.On his discharge papers from the army > > Edward was described as a tailor aged 19 on his enlistment in Dublin in > > 1846. He was also said to have been born in the St. Paul's parish of > > Dublin. > > On Edwards marriage certificate from 1854 in Birmingham his father WILLIAM > > BURKE is also listed as a tailor but already deceased by that time. > > > > I'm aware the Tailors Guildhall is still standing in Dublin but does > > anyone > > know if records for the guild still exist and if so, where they are and > > what > > kind of information is in them? If not, can anyone think of any other > > source > > of information that might be useful in my quest to find out any more about > > Edward & William or discover other family members? I am going to Dublin in > > November and I will have time for some research so my question is really > > to > > help prepare for that visit. > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance for any info or advice. > > > > > > > > JonB > > > > > > > > "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that > > matter". > > > > Martin Luther King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of > > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > > free AOL Mail and more. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings, Just thought I would add what I found on Tailors in Dublin. I too have my gggrandfathers attestation papers and states that he was a tailor by trade in 1846. I found out that there were alot of young men who listed were tailor by trade when they listed...but tailors for the military for their uniforms etc. I was told (not sure of the accuracy of the source) that if the father was in the military, that the sons would start at this point working as a tailor before they were of age to join. This was their 'in' into the military...a secure paying job. If anyone has any further info. on this, please pass it along. Would like to know if this is the case and if it would be at the barracks along the river that they would be. Also...I would like to find out more on my 'Rourkes' ...if included in the tailors guild in Dublin, if someone is any further info. on this. Thank you. Regards, Deborah

Although our ancestors lived in County Down, we recently found that their three sons attended Merchant Taylor's School in London.....the records still exist. This information was listed in Boyd's Inhabitants of London, along with their baptismal information. They were baptised in London (in the mid-1600's). -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Robt & Wendy Stevenson" <stevensons@odyssey.on.ca> > Ditto for tailor descent, same time frame. Ours were STEVENSON from Co. > Antrim. I'm interested to hear of any way of tracing through the guild > hall. I WAS in Dublin in May - didn't check Guild Halls though! > Wendy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:05 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Looking for info on Tailors in Dublin circa 1840's > > > >A fellow tailor descendant! I am looking for info on tailors in Dublin > >during the same period. My O'Byrne family were tailors by trade. I haven't > >found that treasure trove of info from the Guild yet, but I'll share > >anything that comes along. Please keep me in mind if you find anything > >during your travels. > > > > I hope to visit Dublin sometime in 2007. Maybe I can pick up where you > > leave off! > > > > Good luck, JonB > > > > -- Adriana > > GORMLY, CASSIDY, SHANLEY, O'BYRNE, KING, MATTHEWS, JONES, MCGARRY... > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jonsfamily.history@ntlworld.com > > To: IRL-DUBLIN-L@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 1:48 PM > > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Looking for info on Tailors in Dublin circa 1840's > > > > > > By the way, that's tailors the trade, not the surname. > > > > My G-G-Grandfather was EDWARD BURKE.On his discharge papers from the army > > Edward was described as a tailor aged 19 on his enlistment in Dublin in > > 1846. He was also said to have been born in the St. Paul's parish of > > Dublin. > > On Edwards marriage certificate from 1854 in Birmingham his father WILLIAM > > BURKE is also listed as a tailor but already deceased by that time. > > > > I'm aware the Tailors Guildhall is still standing in Dublin but does > > anyone > > know if records for the guild still exist and if so, where they are and > > what > > kind of information is in them? If not, can anyone think of any other > > source > > of information that might be useful in my quest to find out any more about > > Edward & William or discover other family members? I am going to Dublin in > > November and I will have time for some research so my question is really > > to > > help prepare for that visit. > > > > > > > > Many thanks in advance for any info or advice. > > > > > > > > JonB > > > > > > > > "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that > > matter". > > > > Martin Luther King > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of > > the message > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > > free AOL Mail and more. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Adriana As you refer to the 'treasure trove of info' from the tailors guild, can I assume from that that you know the records of the guild still exist? If so do you have any additional information which will help me in my search for Edward & William, as well as your ancestors if I get chance? JonB -----Original Message----- From: irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-dublin-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of adriana123@aol.com Sent: 30 September 2006 18:05 To: irl-dublin@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Looking for info on Tailors in Dublin circa 1840's A fellow tailor descendant! I am looking for info on tailors in Dublin during the same period. My O'Byrne family were tailors by trade. I haven't found that treasure trove of info from the Guild yet, but I'll share anything that comes along. Please keep me in mind if you find anything during your travels. I hope to visit Dublin sometime in 2007. Maybe I can pick up where you leave off! Good luck, JonB -- Adriana GORMLY, CASSIDY, SHANLEY, O'BYRNE, KING, MATTHEWS, JONES, MCGARRY... -----Original Message----- From: jonsfamily.history@ntlworld.com To: IRL-DUBLIN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 1:48 PM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Looking for info on Tailors in Dublin circa 1840's By the way, that's tailors the trade, not the surname. My G-G-Grandfather was EDWARD BURKE.On his discharge papers from the army Edward was described as a tailor aged 19 on his enlistment in Dublin in 1846. He was also said to have been born in the St. Paul's parish of Dublin. On Edwards marriage certificate from 1854 in Birmingham his father WILLIAM BURKE is also listed as a tailor but already deceased by that time. I'm aware the Tailors Guildhall is still standing in Dublin but does anyone know if records for the guild still exist and if so, where they are and what kind of information is in them? If not, can anyone think of any other source of information that might be useful in my quest to find out any more about Edward & William or discover other family members? I am going to Dublin in November and I will have time for some research so my question is really to help prepare for that visit. Many thanks in advance for any info or advice. JonB "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter". Martin Luther King ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for your reply, I will write and let you know how I get on. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: <catherine10@eircom.net> To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 7:25 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Glasnevin, Dublin > irl-dublin@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Hi Janet, > > There were two possible churches, St Margaret's, I spoke to the Curate, > the Church was built in the 1900 hundred. So the next Church is St Canice > from 1843, they do have Batisimal Certs, you can phone or write with your > information, let me know how you do. > > St Canice Church, > > 2 Grove Road, > > Glasnevin, > Dublin 11, > Ireland. > > Telephone: 01 - 8341894 > > Regards and good luck Kaye > >> >> I am trying to find more information on my Dublin ancestors and I am >> hoping someone will be able to tell me at which Church a child would have >> been Baptised in FINGLAS , Glasnevin, Dublin in the 1850s and 1860s. The >> family name I am looking for is MARTIN. >> >> Regards, >> Janet Brennan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property > Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

irl-dublin@rootsweb.com wrote: Hi Janet, There were two possible churches, St Margaret's, I spoke to the Curate, the Church was built in the 1900 hundred. So the next Church is St Canice from 1843, they do have Batisimal Certs, you can phone or write with your information, let me know how you do. St Canice Church, 2 Grove Road, Glasnevin, Dublin 11, Ireland. Telephone: 01 - 8341894 Regards and good luck Kaye > > I am trying to find more information on my Dublin ancestors and I am hoping someone will be able to tell me at which Church a child would have been Baptised in FINGLAS , Glasnevin, Dublin in the 1850s and 1860s. The family name I am looking for is MARTIN. > > Regards, > Janet Brennan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

By the way, that's tailors the trade, not the surname. My G-G-Grandfather was EDWARD BURKE.On his discharge papers from the army Edward was described as a tailor aged 19 on his enlistment in Dublin in 1846. He was also said to have been born in the St. Paul's parish of Dublin. On Edwards marriage certificate from 1854 in Birmingham his father WILLIAM BURKE is also listed as a tailor but already deceased by that time. I'm aware the Tailors Guildhall is still standing in Dublin but does anyone know if records for the guild still exist and if so, where they are and what kind of information is in them? If not, can anyone think of any other source of information that might be useful in my quest to find out any more about Edward & William or discover other family members? I am going to Dublin in November and I will have time for some research so my question is really to help prepare for that visit. Many thanks in advance for any info or advice. JonB "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter". Martin Luther King

Ditto for tailor descent, same time frame. Ours were STEVENSON from Co. Antrim. I'm interested to hear of any way of tracing through the guild hall. I WAS in Dublin in May - didn't check Guild Halls though! Wendy ----- Original Message ----- From: <adriana123@aol.com> To: <irl-dublin@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Looking for info on Tailors in Dublin circa 1840's >A fellow tailor descendant! I am looking for info on tailors in Dublin >during the same period. My O'Byrne family were tailors by trade. I haven't >found that treasure trove of info from the Guild yet, but I'll share >anything that comes along. Please keep me in mind if you find anything >during your travels. > > I hope to visit Dublin sometime in 2007. Maybe I can pick up where you > leave off! > > Good luck, JonB > > -- Adriana > GORMLY, CASSIDY, SHANLEY, O'BYRNE, KING, MATTHEWS, JONES, MCGARRY... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: jonsfamily.history@ntlworld.com > To: IRL-DUBLIN-L@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 1:48 PM > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Looking for info on Tailors in Dublin circa 1840's > > > By the way, that's tailors the trade, not the surname. > > My G-G-Grandfather was EDWARD BURKE.On his discharge papers from the army > Edward was described as a tailor aged 19 on his enlistment in Dublin in > 1846. He was also said to have been born in the St. Paul's parish of > Dublin. > On Edwards marriage certificate from 1854 in Birmingham his father WILLIAM > BURKE is also listed as a tailor but already deceased by that time. > > I'm aware the Tailors Guildhall is still standing in Dublin but does > anyone > know if records for the guild still exist and if so, where they are and > what > kind of information is in them? If not, can anyone think of any other > source > of information that might be useful in my quest to find out any more about > Edward & William or discover other family members? I am going to Dublin in > November and I will have time for some research so my question is really > to > help prepare for that visit. > > > > Many thanks in advance for any info or advice. > > > > JonB > > > > "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that > matter". > > Martin Luther King > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > ________________________________________________________________________ > Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, > free AOL Mail and more. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

A fellow tailor descendant! I am looking for info on tailors in Dublin during the same period. My O'Byrne family were tailors by trade. I haven't found that treasure trove of info from the Guild yet, but I'll share anything that comes along. Please keep me in mind if you find anything during your travels. I hope to visit Dublin sometime in 2007. Maybe I can pick up where you leave off! Good luck, JonB -- Adriana GORMLY, CASSIDY, SHANLEY, O'BYRNE, KING, MATTHEWS, JONES, MCGARRY... -----Original Message----- From: jonsfamily.history@ntlworld.com To: IRL-DUBLIN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 1:48 PM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Looking for info on Tailors in Dublin circa 1840's By the way, that's tailors the trade, not the surname. My G-G-Grandfather was EDWARD BURKE.On his discharge papers from the army Edward was described as a tailor aged 19 on his enlistment in Dublin in 1846. He was also said to have been born in the St. Paul's parish of Dublin. On Edwards marriage certificate from 1854 in Birmingham his father WILLIAM BURKE is also listed as a tailor but already deceased by that time. I'm aware the Tailors Guildhall is still standing in Dublin but does anyone know if records for the guild still exist and if so, where they are and what kind of information is in them? If not, can anyone think of any other source of information that might be useful in my quest to find out any more about Edward & William or discover other family members? I am going to Dublin in November and I will have time for some research so my question is really to help prepare for that visit. Many thanks in advance for any info or advice. JonB "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter". Martin Luther King ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

I am trying to trace my husband's grandmother's family. Can anyone help? What I know - Joseph Billington married Elizabeth Geoghegan in 1893 at the Cathedral Marlboro' St. Joseph had his address as 129 Dorset St and Lizzie as 14 Dorset St. Joseph is down as a waiter and he has his father as Joseph Billington a box maker ( His father was really John but Joseph didn't know where he was born in earlier census so I think he had left home in Cheshire England early in life and joined his brothers living in Manchester England. He had various jobs before I found him married to Elizabeth and back in Manchester in 1901) Elizabeth has her father down as John Geoghegan but no occupation. I Know where they lived in the Manchester area and have the births of all their children and also Elizabeth's death BUT they had a Mary Geoghegan living with them in the 1940's and we thought she was Elizabeth's sister but on the death certificate of Mary it has daughter of Thomas and there was a witness of a Thomas Geoghegan at their marriage. Mary Geoghegan was born abt 1861 and Elizabeth abt 1865 but I don't know if it was in Dublin as Elizabeth used to talk about having kept cows and that some people lived with the animals but they didn't. So you see I don't have very much to go on and I would like to find out more. Carol

I am trying to find more information on my Dublin ancestors and I am hoping someone will be able to tell me at which Church a child would have been Baptised in FINGLAS , Glasnevin, Dublin in the 1850s and 1860s. The family name I am looking for is MARTIN. Regards, Janet Brennan

Researching Watts family who were vetinary surgeons in 22 Aungier St, Dublin during the early 19th century.In 1867 George Watts was declared bankrupt. The Incumbered Estates Court sold off property in Dublin and Co Wicklow. There is a possibility that the family may have come from Devon but not definite. George Watts 1772/1859 was a vet, racehorse breeder and trainer on the Curragh. He had a daughter Louisa who married Rev..Richard Ardill in 1825 and a son Geoge Jun. born 1804 and died 1858..

New address: bjwray@eircom.net Researching the name Watts in Dublin and Kildare. Brian

Hi All on the DUBLIN List, It is a long time since I visited (2003 I think) and thought it might be worth visiting again to ask much the same question I asked last time. My ancestor John GITTINS of Denbigh, Denbighshire in North Wales, married an Irish woman named Isabella (surname unknown) sometime in the last years of the 18th century and the first years of the 19th. They had at least two sons born in Ireland - another John and a Daniel. Seemingly Daniel continued to live in Ireland but by 1841 John and Isabella were in Denbigh and Daniel (aged 30), his wife Julia (25) and 1 month year old Thomas were visiting. Son John was by then serving in the British Army and didn't return until about 1850, when seemingly John and Isabella had passed away. All I know is that John junior was born in Dublin in the first years of the 19th century - all census reports and death certificate vary but it may have been as early as 1802. John senior had served in Ireland during the 1798 Uprising and despite bad press about the Welsh soldiers at least one Irish person liked John and so my family are linked to Ireland. I would be interested to hear from anyone who may know something about GITTINSes in Dublin. Best wishes, Charles

Thanks for message saying 1871 Census had gone up in fire in 1922. What bad news! Though will try looking in directories for around 1871 to see if anything helpful to be found. Thanks again. Kate Hands

Hi Kate You will find just about all the census went up with the Fours Courts fires in 1922. Just the 1901 & 1911 available with the LDS but to be going online soon. Jennette Gest nee Byrne QLD AUS jgest@tpg.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kate Hands" <khands@nex.net.au> To: <IRL-DUBLIN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 1:07 PM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] DRUMM/DRUMMOND 1871 Census > My great grandmother died 23 May 1872 at 52 James St, Dublin and I > wondered > if the 1871 Census for Dublin was in existance and she could be found at > that > address. She was Esther Drumm/Drummond, wife of John Drumm/Drummond > and had been born in Wales somewhere - John came from Co Fermangh. I > would dearly love > to drop across them in 1871 to clarify details of the family then. > Esther's age was > given as 23 yrs at her demise when she had actually been married for 28 > yrs. Her > house number and age seems to have been reversed on the making out of the > death certificate. Esther died younger than some of her children! Any > help or > suggestions would be helpful. This family had a habit of alternating > their name, > religion and other details at regular intervals making research difficult > at times. > > Kate Hands > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

My great grandmother died 23 May 1872 at 52 James St, Dublin and I wondered if the 1871 Census for Dublin was in existance and she could be found at that address. She was Esther Drumm/Drummond, wife of John Drumm/Drummond and had been born in Wales somewhere - John came from Co Fermangh. I would dearly love to drop across them in 1871 to clarify details of the family then. Esther's age was given as 23 yrs at her demise when she had actually been married for 28 yrs. Her house number and age seems to have been reversed on the making out of the death certificate. Esther died younger than some of her children! Any help or suggestions would be helpful. This family had a habit of alternating their name, religion and other details at regular intervals making research difficult at times. Kate Hands Australia

Morning list, am hoping someone can help locate information on HANNAH VICTORIA SHARP. Known facts: she married WILLIAM BURKE (dates unknown) had one child SYDNEY EMMA SHARP BURKE, born 18 April 1891, birth registered at what looks like No. 1 Nt City, Dublin. They were living at 1 Lower Gardiner Street. Emigrated to USA approximately 1894 Possibilities: May have sibling ROBERT JOSEPH SHARP born 1862, living in Dublin in 1884, and father may be RICHARD SHARP, occupation civil engineer \. Robert's marriage certificate (he married in England and emigrated to USA in 1888) gives local parish as St. Mary's, Dublin. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Pat, NY

Hello Lyle, I also live in Oregon. Ulster Historical Society did a study for me for around $200. Very nice work, took about 2 and a half months. Shirley Researching: Weaver, Bigham, Cleland, Stewart, Shaw. Sinclair, Brown, Hay, many others are on a chart we have. County Down. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Lyle Stephenson" <mules465@smt-net.com> > Message to post to the Dublin@rootsweb list: > > My name is Lyle Stephenson living in Oregon, USA. > I need someone to do some 'digging' investigation in and around Dublin for me. > Can someone recommend a party, or would some party offer to help? > I am not expecting free help; I expect to pay. > Lyle Stephenson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-DUBLIN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message