----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:06 PM Subject: DEATH CERTIFICATES -HEADSTONES ETC. >I am sorry about being absent but Family does come first ( the living >anyway) and this is one of those cases. > > Persons required to register deaths were:- > 1- Some person present at death ( not necessarily a family member) > 2-Some person in attendance during the last illness of the deceased > 3-the Occuppier of the house or tenement where the death took place > 4-or someone else residing in the house or tenement where death took place > 5-any person presentat, or having knowledge of the circumstances of the > death > > The information they were required to supply was:- > 1- the date and place of death > 2-the name and surname of deceased > 3-The sex of the deceased > 4-the condition of the deceased as to marriage > 5-the age of the deceased at last birthday ( hence those that did not know > the person's birthdate guessed at age) > 6-the rank, profession, or occupation of the deceased > 7-the certified cause of death, and the duration of the final illness. > > Informant and the registrar were both required to sign each entry, which > was also to include the date of registration, the residence of the > informant and his or her 'qualification' ( for example "present at death") > Notice to the registrar of the death was to be given in 7 days, and full > details in 14 days. > > Now whilst the registrar may have received information of the death he did > not always receive the full details within 14 days. > > And it is common that even when civil registration arrived, a certain > proportion of all three categories Birth, deaths and Marriages went > unregistered. > It would be impossible to give an accurate number, as registration > depended very much on local conditions and on individuals responsible for > such. > > It was not until such a time that a certificate was necessary for official > purposes, that sometimes the event became registered. > > After having transcribed many deaths, from parish registers, vestry books > and burial books, I am sorry to have to disagree with Nivard that one > could not be buried without a certificate, as in many cases the clergy, be > them Protestant or RC, or wheelbarrow, only needed a body to bury, and > this is what happened, I will agree that as time marched on circumstances > changed, and right of burial did require a permit, and other burials s did > require a certificate of death, but did the people pre 1900 always receive > one? > I dont think so. > > As far as tombstones are concerned, you will be lucky if you can locate a > graveyard with the headstone within it, and certainly if Julie is seeking > 1826 headstone for a child, it will be a long search to locate it, I dont > say it does not exist, I am saying now it will be a long search to locate > it, which means that the area where said person may have been buried may > by now be a park or a car park and all headstones have been turned to > rubble. > > > Cheers > Cara > > > I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. > It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter > > I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

No, the English name for Corcaigh is Cork. Maggie

wasn't Queenstown the English name for Cork? Anne (new enquirer) On 11 Nov 2010, at 07:37, [email protected] wrote: > > > ******************************** > 1- CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE > 2- REMOVE THE BULK OF THE MAIL-NO-ONE WANTS DOWNLOAD ENDLESS DIGEST > MAILS OF NO INTEREST TO THEM. > > > -------------------------------------- > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Wills+probate (Margaret Doyle) > 2. Anna Eliza ENGLISH buried 1879, Drumcondra Church. Also > looking for QUEENSTOWN (Andrew & Julie) > 3. Re: Anna Eliza ENGLISH buried 1879, Drumcondra Church. Also > looking for QUEENSTOWN (Nivard Ovington) > 4. Re: Anna Eliza ENGLISH buried 1879, Drumcondra Church. Also > looking for QUEENSTOWN (Joyce) > 5. Re: Anna Eliza ENGLISH buried 1879, Drumcondra Church. Also > looking for QUEENSTOWN (Joyce) > 6. Re: IRL-DUBLIN] The National Library of Ireland --Catholic > register collection (Cara_Links) > 7. Cobh/Queenstown (Margaret Doyle) > 8. Fw: DEATH CERTIFICATES -HEADSTONES ETC. (Cara_Links) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 09:22:42 +0000 (GMT) > From: Margaret Doyle <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Wills+probate > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Julie, if you go to nationalarchives.ie and put wills into the > search box, you will get all the info needed on wills+probate. > Maggie > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:22:32 +1300 > From: "Andrew & Julie" <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Anna Eliza ENGLISH buried 1879, Drumcondra > Church. Also looking for QUEENSTOWN > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I am so grateful to Brian Freeman of Drumcondra Church. > > Brian found a tombstone in the Drumcondra Church and then this > information in the burial register. > Burial Date > 29/12/1879 - Anna English, Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged 80. > (Officiant): Revd H. Carleton. > 29/05/1884 - Mary H. English, 18 Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged > 64. " > 23/04/1885 - Emily English, Sandymount. Aged 61. > > Could Emily ENGLISH be a daughter-in-law, rather than a daughter, > because I found a wedding anouncement for a Nicholas ENGLISH to > Emily dau. of Joseph FITZGERALD Beach Buildings, Queenstown in the > Freeman's Journal? > > Does anybody know where Queenstown was? " > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:20:41 -0000 > From: "Nivard Ovington" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Anna Eliza ENGLISH buried 1879, Drumcondra > Church. Also looking for QUEENSTOWN > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Perhaps > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobh > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> I am so grateful to Brian Freeman of Drumcondra Church. >> >> Brian found a tombstone in the Drumcondra Church and then this >> information >> in the burial register. >> Burial Date >> 29/12/1879 - Anna English, Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged 80. >> (Officiant): Revd >> H. Carleton. >> 29/05/1884 - Mary H. English, 18 Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged 64. >> " >> 23/04/1885 - Emily English, Sandymount. Aged 61. >> >> Could Emily ENGLISH be a daughter-in-law, rather than a daughter, >> because >> I found a wedding anouncement for a Nicholas ENGLISH to Emily dau. of >> Joseph FITZGERALD Beach Buildings, Queenstown in the Freeman's >> Journal? >> >> Does anybody know where Queenstown was? " > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:07:54 -0000 > From: "Joyce" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Anna Eliza ENGLISH buried 1879, Drumcondra > Church. Also looking for QUEENSTOWN > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew & Julie" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 6:22 AM > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Anna Eliza ENGLISH buried 1879,Drumcondra > Church. Also > looking for QUEENSTOWN > > >> I am so grateful to Brian Freeman of Drumcondra Church. >> >> Brian found a tombstone in the Drumcondra Church and then this >> information >> in the burial register. >> Burial Date >> 29/12/1879 - Anna English, Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged 80. >> (Officiant): Revd >> H. Carleton. >> 29/05/1884 - Mary H. English, 18 Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged 64. >> " >> 23/04/1885 - Emily English, Sandymount. Aged 61. >> >> Could Emily ENGLISH be a daughter-in-law, rather than a daughter, >> because >> I found a wedding anouncement for a Nicholas ENGLISH to Emily dau. of >> Joseph FITZGERALD Beach Buildings, Queenstown in the Freeman's >> Journal? >> >> Does anybody know where Queenstown was? " >> >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this >> mail?, and >> do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change >> the >> SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:13:02 -0000 > From: "Joyce" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Anna Eliza ENGLISH buried 1879, Drumcondra > Church. Also looking for QUEENSTOWN > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I would suggest that you get a copy of the death registration for > Emily > English. You will then know if she was married/widow or single. It > should > also give you the address where she died. Also the naming of the > person > "present at death" can be a helpful clue. > > Regarding Queenstown (now known as Cobh in Co.Cork) see - > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobh > > Cheers > Joyce > >> >> Brian found a tombstone in the Drumcondra Church and then this >> information >> in the burial register. >> Burial Date >> 29/12/1879 - Anna English, Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged 80. >> (Officiant): Revd >> H. Carleton. >> 29/05/1884 - Mary H. English, 18 Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged 64. >> " >> 23/04/1885 - Emily English, Sandymount. Aged 61. >> >> Does anybody know where Queenstown was? " >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 21:03:40 +1100 > From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] IRL-DUBLIN] The National Library of Ireland > --Catholic register collection > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Before everyone gets over excited I am yet again going to point out > the fact > that - > The Dublin Library do not have ALL the entire Roman Catholic parish > registers on Microfilm > Yes they have 520 films but they are not and never will be the > complete set > of Parish registers for Dublin - and I simply > find it hard when people release these media things and suggest that > ALL > parish registers exists. > > SOrry for my two pence worth but I am tired of reading this fact > that is not > true. > > Cheers > Cara > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 3:06 AM > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] IRL-DUBLIN] The National Library of Ireland -- > Catholic > register collection > > >>> From another List: >> >> Friday, 29 October 2010 >> Next major online offering may be entire Catholic register collection >> >> The National Library of Ireland (NLI) is planning to scan all 520 >> microfilms that make up its collection of Roman Catholic parish >> registers >> and put the >> scans online. >> >> While they won't be transcribed (so genealogists will still be going >> cross-eyed and pulling their hair out with frustration at the many >> illegible pages >> of records) nor indexed, this step would be hugely beneficial. At >> present, >> family historians have to visit the NLI in person, and only one >> microfilm >> for each parish is made available at any one time. >> >> So, while not perfect, having this resource online would be an >> outstanding >> advance. The collection represents, for the majority of >> researchers, the >> main source of birth, marriage and death records for pre-1864 (when >> civil >> registration started). >> >> The project is still at the tender stage, so it's some way off, but >> scanning and uploading 520 films to the web isn't an enormous >> undertaking >> and >> should be achievable within a year from now. >> >> Source: John Grenham/Irish Times" >> >> _http://irish-genealogy-news.blogspot.com/2010/10/next-major-online-offering >> -may-be.html_ >> (http://irish-genealogy-news.blogspot.com/2010/10/next-major-online-offering-may-be.html >> ) >> ****************************** >> ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this >> mail?, and >> do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change >> the >> SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. > It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:52:31 +0000 (GMT) > From: Margaret Doyle <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Cobh/Queenstown > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Cobh is about a half hours train journey from Cork City, a deep > water channel+the last port of call for the Titanic. > It now boasts The Titanic Museum. > Maggie > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 18:36:57 +1100 > From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Fw: DEATH CERTIFICATES -HEADSTONES ETC. > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:06 PM > Subject: DEATH CERTIFICATES -HEADSTONES ETC. > > >> I am sorry about being absent but Family does come first ( the living >> anyway) and this is one of those cases. >> >> Persons required to register deaths were:- >> 1- Some person present at death ( not necessarily a family member) >> 2-Some person in attendance during the last illness of the deceased >> 3-the Occuppier of the house or tenement where the death took place >> 4-or someone else residing in the house or tenement where death >> took place >> 5-any person presentat, or having knowledge of the circumstances of >> the >> death >> >> The information they were required to supply was:- >> 1- the date and place of death >> 2-the name and surname of deceased >> 3-The sex of the deceased >> 4-the condition of the deceased as to marriage >> 5-the age of the deceased at last birthday ( hence those that did >> not know >> the person's birthdate guessed at age) >> 6-the rank, profession, or occupation of the deceased >> 7-the certified cause of death, and the duration of the final >> illness. >> >> Informant and the registrar were both required to sign each entry, >> which >> was also to include the date of registration, the residence of the >> informant and his or her 'qualification' ( for example "present at >> death") >> Notice to the registrar of the death was to be given in 7 days, and >> full >> details in 14 days. >> >> Now whilst the registrar may have received information of the death >> he did >> not always receive the full details within 14 days. >> >> And it is common that even when civil registration arrived, a certain >> proportion of all three categories Birth, deaths and Marriages went >> unregistered. >> It would be impossible to give an accurate number, as registration >> depended very much on local conditions and on individuals >> responsible for >> such. >> >> It was not until such a time that a certificate was necessary for >> official >> purposes, that sometimes the event became registered. >> >> After having transcribed many deaths, from parish registers, vestry >> books >> and burial books, I am sorry to have to disagree with Nivard that one >> could not be buried without a certificate, as in many cases the >> clergy, be >> them Protestant or RC, or wheelbarrow, only needed a body to bury, >> and >> this is what happened, I will agree that as time marched on >> circumstances >> changed, and right of burial did require a permit, and other >> burials s did >> require a certificate of death, but did the people pre 1900 always >> receive >> one? >> I dont think so. >> >> As far as tombstones are concerned, you will be lucky if you can >> locate a >> graveyard with the headstone within it, and certainly if Julie is >> seeking >> 1826 headstone for a child, it will be a long search to locate it, >> I dont >> say it does not exist, I am saying now it will be a long search to >> locate >> it, which means that the area where said person may have been >> buried may >> by now be a park or a car park and all headstones have been turned to >> rubble. >> >> >> Cheers >> Cara >> >> >> I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. >> It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter >> >> > > > > I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. > It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-DUBLIN list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the IRL-DUBLIN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-DUBLIN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 367 > ******************************************

Cobh is about a half hours train journey from Cork City, a deep water channel+the last port of call for the Titanic. It now boasts The Titanic Museum. Maggie

Before everyone gets over excited I am yet again going to point out the fact that - The Dublin Library do not have ALL the entire Roman Catholic parish registers on Microfilm Yes they have 520 films but they are not and never will be the complete set of Parish registers for Dublin - and I simply find it hard when people release these media things and suggest that ALL parish registers exists. SOrry for my two pence worth but I am tired of reading this fact that is not true. Cheers Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 3:06 AM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] IRL-DUBLIN] The National Library of Ireland --Catholic register collection > >From another List: > > Friday, 29 October 2010 > Next major online offering may be entire Catholic register collection > > The National Library of Ireland (NLI) is planning to scan all 520 > microfilms that make up its collection of Roman Catholic parish registers > and put the > scans online. > > While they won't be transcribed (so genealogists will still be going > cross-eyed and pulling their hair out with frustration at the many > illegible pages > of records) nor indexed, this step would be hugely beneficial. At present, > family historians have to visit the NLI in person, and only one microfilm > for each parish is made available at any one time. > > So, while not perfect, having this resource online would be an outstanding > advance. The collection represents, for the majority of researchers, the > main source of birth, marriage and death records for pre-1864 (when civil > registration started). > > The project is still at the tender stage, so it's some way off, but > scanning and uploading 520 films to the web isn't an enormous undertaking > and > should be achievable within a year from now. > > Source: John Grenham/Irish Times" > > _http://irish-genealogy-news.blogspot.com/2010/10/next-major-online-offering > -may-be.html_ > (http://irish-genealogy-news.blogspot.com/2010/10/next-major-online-offering-may-be.html) > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and > do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the > SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

I am so grateful to Brian Freeman of Drumcondra Church. Brian found a tombstone in the Drumcondra Church and then this information in the burial register. Burial Date 29/12/1879 - Anna English, Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged 80. (Officiant): Revd H. Carleton. 29/05/1884 - Mary H. English, 18 Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged 64. " 23/04/1885 - Emily English, Sandymount. Aged 61. Could Emily ENGLISH be a daughter-in-law, rather than a daughter, because I found a wedding anouncement for a Nicholas ENGLISH to Emily dau. of Joseph FITZGERALD Beach Buildings, Queenstown in the Freeman's Journal? Does anybody know where Queenstown was? "

I would suggest that you get a copy of the death registration for Emily English. You will then know if she was married/widow or single. It should also give you the address where she died. Also the naming of the person "present at death" can be a helpful clue. Regarding Queenstown (now known as Cobh in Co.Cork) see - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobh Cheers Joyce > > Brian found a tombstone in the Drumcondra Church and then this information > in the burial register. > Burial Date > 29/12/1879 - Anna English, Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged 80. (Officiant): Revd > H. Carleton. > 29/05/1884 - Mary H. English, 18 Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged 64. > " > 23/04/1885 - Emily English, Sandymount. Aged 61. > > Does anybody know where Queenstown was? " >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew & Julie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 6:22 AM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Anna Eliza ENGLISH buried 1879,Drumcondra Church. Also looking for QUEENSTOWN >I am so grateful to Brian Freeman of Drumcondra Church. > > Brian found a tombstone in the Drumcondra Church and then this information > in the burial register. > Burial Date > 29/12/1879 - Anna English, Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged 80. (Officiant): Revd > H. Carleton. > 29/05/1884 - Mary H. English, 18 Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged 64. > " > 23/04/1885 - Emily English, Sandymount. Aged 61. > > Could Emily ENGLISH be a daughter-in-law, rather than a daughter, because > I found a wedding anouncement for a Nicholas ENGLISH to Emily dau. of > Joseph FITZGERALD Beach Buildings, Queenstown in the Freeman's Journal? > > Does anybody know where Queenstown was? " > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and > do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the > SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Perhaps http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobh Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I am so grateful to Brian Freeman of Drumcondra Church. > > Brian found a tombstone in the Drumcondra Church and then this information > in the burial register. > Burial Date > 29/12/1879 - Anna English, Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged 80. (Officiant): Revd > H. Carleton. > 29/05/1884 - Mary H. English, 18 Philipsburgh Avenue. Aged 64. > " > 23/04/1885 - Emily English, Sandymount. Aged 61. > > Could Emily ENGLISH be a daughter-in-law, rather than a daughter, because > I found a wedding anouncement for a Nicholas ENGLISH to Emily dau. of > Joseph FITZGERALD Beach Buildings, Queenstown in the Freeman's Journal? > > Does anybody know where Queenstown was? "

Hi Everybody again, I know that many wills were destroyed in that infamous fire. So from what year were wills likely to have survived? Thanks Julie

Julie, if you go to nationalarchives.ie and put wills into the search box, you will get all the info needed on wills+probate. Maggie

Thanks Margaret, Can you tell me why people might not have registered a death? Was it common? If there was a tombstone would you expect a death to have been registered? Thanks Julie  ________________________________ From: Margaret Doyle <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 10 November, 2010 3:41:24 AM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Death certs after 1864 Julie, there should be no problem obtaining a death cert from the GRO in Dublin, provided the death was registered. It will state date+place of death. Name-+surname. Sex. Condition. Age last birthday. Rank or occupation. Classified cause of death+duration of illness. Signature, qualification+residence of informant. When reg. Sig of registrar. Maggie ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE  for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anybody know if there are more than just the few Kilkenny newspapers than at the site http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Kilkenny/? Can anybody recommend other newspapers from the same area? .      I am looking for more information about this death notice from The Kilkenny Independent Saturday, DEC. 2, 1826  In Dawson-street, Dublin, Rose, youngest daughter of Mr. English, dentist.      Thanks Julie

Thanks Joy, I had read that death certificates often don't include parents name prior to 1900. Is it fairly likely that all three women will have death certificates? Will the LDS be likely to have these death certificates on reel? Thanks again Julie   ________________________________ From: Joy Dean <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, 9 November, 2010 9:53:52 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] death certificates from 1879 Julie, from my experience, it would give the same information as a death certificate for someone in England, for which this site is very useful: http://www.thosedixons.net/certificates/deaths.html Happy hunting :-) Joy > From: "Andrew & Julie" <[email protected]> > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] death certificates from 1879 > Today I received some information about my Anna Eliza English, and > possibly two daughters. > > Can anybody tell me whether I am likely to be able to get a death > certificate for 1879, 1884 and 1885? What information would they be likely > to give me? > Thanks > Julie Boyd> ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE  for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Today I received some information about my Anna Eliza English, and possibly two daughters. Can anybody tell me whether I am likely to be able to get a death certificate for 1879, 1884 and 1885? What information would they be likely to give me? Thanks Julie Boyd

Hi Julie The likelihood is that the vast majority of deaths would be registered from 1864 onwards, there would always be exceptions but very much in the minority Of the three life events requiring registration, deaths are the most likely to have been registered, as theoretically they could not bury a body without a death cert Marriages where they occurred were also very likely to be recorded and registered in the system The least likely event is births In all three cases there may be events recorded somewhere you were not expecting and under a name or spelling you are not expecting Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Thanks Margaret, Can you tell me why people might not have registered a death? Was it common? If there was a tombstone would you expect a death to have been registered? Thanks Julie

At certain points in times gone by, it was left up to the next of kin to register the death. As far as I can see, deaths were more frequently reg. when the pension+social wellfare payments came into the picture. As you would have to reg the death to obtain the cert for the Widows pension etc. Tombstones had nothing to do with it. Someone might purchase one having neglected to reg a death, there is no correlation here. One would have to wait 12 months, till the newly dug grave had settled before a tombstone can be erected. Maggie

I have found that deaths were not always registered. Not even if there was a tomb stone. It was not unusual for graves not to be marked and it mattered not whether the family had money or not. This can also be said for obits. Shirley [email protected]

Julie, there should be no problem obtaining a death cert from the GRO in Dublin, provided the death was registered. It will state date+place of death. Name-+surname. Sex. Condition. Age last birthday. Rank or occupation. Classified cause of death+duration of illness. Signature, qualification+residence of informant. When reg. Sig of registrar. Maggie

I had a bit of a glitch in uploading last week, but our technical problem has been fixed. I have now added: St Paul Parish Dublin - Assorted Marriages FLANNAGAN, BERGIN, MULLALLY and others Also Baptisms for St Pauls for assorted names have been added. A couple of new Vital Records have been contributed. To view go to: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ Click on Church Records or Vital Records. Thanks, Christina ===============================