There is no way to resend a digest mail unless someone else on the list has received it The workings of the list are not as simple as resend 1- L mode is where you receive all mails in a single letter email 2- Digest mode is where you receive all mails in a a single mail I have it set as small as I can so that hopely you receive it at least every 24 hours, where is if you are in L Mode you recieve it on a posted base ( which means as it passes through ROOTSWEB CENTRAL you receive the mail) In the case of Digest, you may receive the mails well after the discussion has either been discussed or answered, but that does not mean you should not get digest, that is an individuals choice and one a lot of people do take. But may I suggest that you set up a generic address for instance one at Yahoo or wherever you prefer to do so, and that will then give you a back up address (once made this address also needs to be subbed to the list,) and this will then give you a place to have of stored mails, so that in the future you receive one to this address [email protected] and one perhaps to Anne Power @yahoo.com ( not a true address ) which would then you give you a mail storage bin, this is just a suggestion, to assist you not a required thing to be done. Cheers Cara I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

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----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Snip-I wonder if there would be any kind of records for those who did this kind of work? Snap -None that I have ever seen You say your child was born in 1828 Dublin, but the townland appears to be unknown? is this so? It never mattered if the townland changed, as it was the church they attended that held the parish registers, with their childs name in it. But if you have a child born in Dublin in 1828, that suggests to me that they were most likely married in Dublin, or they would have at least been married in the womans parish and went to live in his if it was not the same as hers. Without a place name or townland for Dublin this will be hard and all data that you are needing acess to, is not on the internet, Dublin records Tithe Books 1823-1838 There is more but as I am trying to sort mails and catch up since this last debacle, I will have to take a rain check and stop and type these after I catch up on mails. Sorry Cara I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

Cara Has had a bad week with mail systems Now she is testing through her lists to see if this works Do not even comment or answer this mail Cara List Admin I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

so sorry ..again! Any chance of a re-send, please. Anne Power manchester

Cara, I absent mindedly omitted that Monasterevin Paris they were found in is Co Kildare. The townlands are found in Kildare. But his Civil war record states he was born in Dublin. He was the one child born in Pass(land). Results: Monasterevin Catholic Parish Mary Anne, of Ned Smullen and Ellen Morgan, was baptized on 18.06.1826 Address: Cowpasture Sponsors: Mat Ennis and Catherine Walsh Patrick, of Edward Smullen and Elen Morgan, was baptized on 10.08.1828 Address: Pass Sponsors: Dan Quin and Mary Carrol Catharine, of Ned Smullen and Ellen Morgan, was baptized on 18.07.1830 Address: Ballagh Sponsors: Patrick Wright and Biddy Dunne Monasterevin is small town in south west Kildare. The parish of Monasterevin would include the town of Monasterevin and its rural hinterland. The addresses listed in the baptismal records are townland addresses. Townlands in the Civil Parish of Monasterevin The Townland in a Medieval and older territorial division based on a number of plough lands. In later times they formed the basis for rental assessments. The following is a list of townlands, their Irish name and meaning. Ballyfarsoon : Baile an pearsan. Town of the Parson. Barraderra : Baire a doire. Top of the oak wood. Clogheen : Cloicin. A small stone or stone house (possibly St. Evin's bell house or oratory). Cloncarlin : Cluain Caireallain. Carolan's Meadow (also called Globe Island). Clonegath : Cluain na gath. Meadow of the spears (possibly meaning battlefield). Cowpasture : Possibly a commonage area. Coolnefearagh : Cuail na Fearagh. The men's corner or grassy corner (a place of assembly). Fearmore : Fiair Mor. Great Meadow. Gorteen : Guirtin. A small garden or cultivated field. Gorteenoona : From the same root as Gorteen. Grangecoor : An out farm of the Cistercian monastery. Kill : Cill or Coill. A church or wood. Kilpatrick : Cill Pádraig. St. Patrick's Church. Larchhill : A hill with a plantation of larch trees ? Does anyone have an Irish name for the area? Lughill : Liamh Coill. Elm Wood Millfarm Monasterevin : Manistir Eimhin. The Monastery of Evin. Monasterevin Bog : The Bog of the Monastery of Evin Moore Abbey :Originally called The House of Monasterevan. Oghill : Eochaill. Yew Wood. Oldgrange : The old grange or out farm of the Cistercian monastery. Passlands : Possibly the land of the pass, associated with the Pass Bridge. Skirteen : Scairtin. A little cluster of bushes or a thicket. Stramillian Toghereen : The Little Causeway (tracks over bogs dating to the Late Bronze Age are known throughout the area of Monasterevin). I suppose as they were close enough to the Dublin border that Patrick may have been born in Co Dublin but baptized in Co Kildare. Melissa In a message dated 11/22/2010 12:48:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Snip-I wonder if there would be any kind of records for those who did this kind of work? Snap -None that I have ever seen You say your child was born in 1828 Dublin, but the townland appears to be unknown? is this so? It never mattered if the townland changed, as it was the church they attended that held the parish registers, with their childs name in it. But if you have a child born in Dublin in 1828, that suggests to me that they were most likely married in Dublin, or they would have at least been married in the womans parish and went to live in his if it was not the same as hers. Without a place name or townland for Dublin this will be hard and all data that you are needing acess to, is not on the internet, Dublin records Tithe Books 1823-1838 There is more but as I am trying to sort mails and catch up since this last debacle, I will have to take a rain check and stop and type these after I catch up on mails. Sorry Cara I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am in the same boat as John. I have traced my Smullen family back to Monasterevin Parish with three baptism records for three children of Edward (Ned) Smullen and Ellen Morgan. According to US Civil War record their son Patrick was born 5 Jul 1828 his baptism was in August 1828. The date is probably right but it states he was born in Dublin. This has made it pretty hard to locate a marriage record for Edward Smullen born 1802 & Ellen Morgan born 1806. I haven't a clue of nearby parishes which may house their records. Another issue is that with each child their townland changes. They appear in Pass(land), Cowpasture, and Ballagh. But all three were baptized in Monasterevin. Upon arrival in USA Edward worked as a Hostler (worked with horses). I wonder if there would be any kind of records for those who did this kind of work? Are there any other possible records for this time period? Did any tithe allotments survive? Tax records, tenet records. Any clues for the clueless? Melissa Fitzkee 5th generation Irish American In a message dated 11/21/2010 7:01:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: So is there any hope for me ever to find a COI Parish Record of marriage or birth for Counties Dublin, Kildare, Tipperary between 1820 through 1835? I have an ancestor born in Dublin (1820-1835 - various discrepencies in her age from USA census records and obituary ), but with siblings born in Kildare County. I did find a possible marriage record for her parents in 1832 in Dublin at the Irish Geneology site , but if she was really born in the 1820s there could have been a previous wife for her father (which marriage may have occurred in Kildare rather than Dublin . (But maybe she was born in Dublin County and baptized in Kildare County, although the marriage record states that both parents were then living in Dublin.) I also would love to find a COI birth record a generation earlier between 1790 and 1805, probably in Rathangan, County Kildare. I suppose my question is, "Are there any alternative routes to such information?" Consider me stuck. John -------------------------------------- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:37:47 EST From: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] IRL[DUBLIN] Records found in Dublin To: [email protected] Message-ID: <58f62.5b72f[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The following taken from the web: _http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#testamentary_collections_ (http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#testamentary_collections) >>The records were all destroyed in 1922 << No, they weren't. The Public Record Office in Dublin was indeed destroyed during the Irish Civil War in 1922, along with virtually all its holdings. >From the point of view of genealogy, the most significant losses were the 19th-century census returns, the Church of Ireland parish registers and the _testamentary collections_ (http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#testamentary_collections) . Anything not in the PRO has survived, including non-Church of Ireland parish records, civil records of births, marriages and deaths, property records and later censuses. For much of the material that was lost, there are abstracts, transcripts and fragments of the originals. >>Irish research is impossibly difficult << To the contrary, there is actually quite a compact set of relevant records, almost all held centrally in Dublin or Belfast. If you start with enough information - in particular, a place of origin in Ireland - research is actually very straightforward. >>All the records for Northern Ireland are held in Belfast and those for the Republic of Ireland are in Dublin << Wrong again. Until 1922 the entire island was one administrative unit. Both Dublin and Belfast _repositories_ (http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#repositories) have at least copies of the pre-1922 records, with those in Belfast largely, but not completely, confined to the nine historic counties of Ulster. It is only after 1922 that the records are different. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Doreen L = List mode , all posts to the list will come to you individually Its then easy to read each and delete those you are not interested in D = Digest , posts will be accumulated either until a certain size of posts is reached or a period expires, you will then receive them all in one go in a digest Personally I can't abide digests as they cause so much more work (like the need to change the subject line like this post :-) should you want to reply to a post in one but it is a personal choice These days you are highly unlikely to be inundated by posts no matter which lists you subscribe to Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Dear Cara, > What is L mode or Digest mode? > > > RegardsDoreen Ross

In a message dated 11/21/2010 5:35:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: >>Personally I can't abide digests as they cause so much more work (like the need to change the subject line like this post :-) should you want to reply to a post in one but it is a personal choice<< Hello, Usually, when I get an email with the Subject: Digest, Vol. 5, Issue 373 - I would delete it. A change in subject matter is very helpful even in the LIST mode. Joan

I live in Dublin + visit the archives, the GRO and the Library to mention but a few resources and I have to say that Ive never found geneological research easy or straightforward either. Otherwise why would we on these lists? Maggie

Hmmm........? It strikes me that whoever wrote this has either a large stash of ready cash, lives in Ireland or both and has not tried to research Irish ancestors from afar Quite straight forward is not a phrase I recognise in relation to many aspects of Irish research :-( Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >>>Irish research is impossibly difficult << > To the contrary, there is actually quite a compact set of relevant > records, > almost all held centrally in Dublin or Belfast. If you start with enough > information - in particular, a place of origin in Ireland - research is > actually very straightforward.

http://www.suite101.com/content/destroyed-irish-census-records-and-substitutes-a221320 At some stages in Irish history, while we were under British rule, records were used by Dublin Castle staff as writing paper. They wrote on the reverse side because they simply didn't have any other resources, also some records were destroyed purposely as you will see from the above mail link. Maggie

I understood that at some stage the powers that be decided to save on storage and shredded many remaining documents. I would be delighted to think that it was a bad story. julie ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 21 November, 2010 1:37:47 PM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] IRL[DUBLIN] Records found in Dublin The following taken from the web: _http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#testamentary_collections_ (http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#testamentary_collections) >>The records were all destroyed in 1922 <<  No, they weren't. The Public Record Office in Dublin was indeed destroyed during the Irish Civil War in 1922, along with virtually all its holdings. >From the point of view of genealogy, the most significant losses were the 19th-century census returns, the Church of Ireland parish registers and the _testamentary collections_ (http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#testamentary_collections) . Anything not in the PRO has survived, including non-Church of Ireland parish records, civil records of births, marriages and deaths, property records and later censuses. For much of the material that was lost, there are abstracts, transcripts and fragments of the originals.  >>Irish research is impossibly difficult <<  To the contrary, there is actually quite a compact set of relevant records, almost all held centrally in Dublin or Belfast. If you start with enough information - in particular, a place of origin in Ireland - research is actually very straightforward.  >>All the records for Northern Ireland are held in Belfast and those for the Republic of Ireland are in Dublin <<  Wrong again. Until 1922 the entire island was one administrative unit. Both Dublin and Belfast _repositories_ (http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#repositories)  have at least copies of the pre-1922 records, with those in Belfast largely, but not completely, confined to the nine historic counties of Ulster. It is only after 1922 that the records are different. ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE  for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.library.ireland.anglican.org/ Some COI church records are held at the RCB. Maggie

So is there any hope for me ever to find a COI Parish Record of marriage or birth for Counties Dublin, Kildare, Tipperary between 1820 through 1835?  I have an ancestor born in Dublin (1820-1835 - various discrepencies in her age from USA census records and obituary ), but with siblings born in Kildare County.  I did find a possible marriage record for her parents in 1832 in Dublin at the Irish Geneology site , but if she was really born in the 1820s there could have been a previous wife for her father (which marriage may have occurred in Kildare rather than Dublin .  (But maybe she was born in Dublin County and baptized in Kildare County, although the marriage record states that both parents were then living in Dublin.) I also would love to find a COI birth record a generation earlier between 1790 and 1805, probably in Rathangan, County Kildare.  I suppose my question is, "Are there any alternative routes to such information?" Consider me stuck. John -------------------------------------- Message: 7 Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:37:47 EST From: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] IRL[DUBLIN] Records found in Dublin To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" The following taken from the web:   _http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#testamentary_collections_ (http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#testamentary_collections)     >>The records were all destroyed in 1922 <<   No, they weren't. The Public Record Office in Dublin was indeed destroyed during the Irish Civil War in 1922, along with virtually all its holdings. >From the point of view of genealogy, the most significant losses were the 19th-century census returns, the Church of Ireland parish registers and the _testamentary collections_ (http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#testamentary_collections) . Anything not in the PRO has survived, including non-Church of Ireland parish records, civil records of births, marriages and deaths, property records and later censuses. For much of the material that was lost, there are abstracts, transcripts and fragments of the originals.   >>Irish research is impossibly difficult <<   To the contrary, there is actually quite a compact set of relevant records, almost all held centrally in Dublin or Belfast. If you start with enough information - in particular, a place of origin in Ireland - research is actually very straightforward.   >>All the records for Northern Ireland are held in Belfast and those for the Republic of Ireland are in Dublin <<   Wrong again. Until 1922 the entire island was one administrative unit. Both Dublin and Belfast _repositories_ (http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#repositories)  have at least copies of the pre-1922 records, with those in Belfast largely, but not completely, confined to the nine historic counties of Ulster. It is only after 1922 that the records are different.

Hi, I have just uploaded headstones (& text) for St. Fintans section of Deansgrange Cemetery. This is part two. There are more to come. Deansgrange is a huge cemetery. Here is a map of the cemetery so you can envision the cemetery: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/deansgrange_plan.jpg To view part two go to: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ Click on Dublin and then Headstones. If you know anyone doing Dublin research, but who does read email lists, please let them know about this resource. Thanks! Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects- Archives ===============================

Dear Cara, What is L mode or Digest mode? RegardsDoreen Ross

The following taken from the web: _http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#testamentary_collections_ (http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#testamentary_collections) >>The records were all destroyed in 1922 << No, they weren't. The Public Record Office in Dublin was indeed destroyed during the Irish Civil War in 1922, along with virtually all its holdings. >From the point of view of genealogy, the most significant losses were the 19th-century census returns, the Church of Ireland parish registers and the _testamentary collections_ (http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#testamentary_collections) . Anything not in the PRO has survived, including non-Church of Ireland parish records, civil records of births, marriages and deaths, property records and later censuses. For much of the material that was lost, there are abstracts, transcripts and fragments of the originals. >>Irish research is impossibly difficult << To the contrary, there is actually quite a compact set of relevant records, almost all held centrally in Dublin or Belfast. If you start with enough information - in particular, a place of origin in Ireland - research is actually very straightforward. >>All the records for Northern Ireland are held in Belfast and those for the Republic of Ireland are in Dublin << Wrong again. Until 1922 the entire island was one administrative unit. Both Dublin and Belfast _repositories_ (http://www.movinghere.org.uk/help/glossary.htm#repositories) have at least copies of the pre-1922 records, with those in Belfast largely, but not completely, confined to the nine historic counties of Ulster. It is only after 1922 that the records are different.

_http://ibssg.org/blacksheep/faq.html#3_ (http://ibssg.org/blacksheep/faq.html#3) frequent asked questions What is the difference between list mode and digest mode? When you subscribe to List mode (l) you will receive each post to the list individually. This can add up to a lot of mail. When you subscribe to Digest mode (d) you will receive one email approx. every 12 hours. Digest mode will lump all the posts to the list into one letter.

Hello, 1911 census is online at the National Archives. _http://www.nationalarchives.ie/_ (http://www.nationalarchives.ie/) Joan