Yvonne Russell just sent another 150 images and transcription for Mount Jerome. This would be Mount Jerome 15. Here is the direct link to Mount Jerome: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/dublin/photos/tombstones/mt-jerome-ndx.htm Note that the transcriptions are on the left side. Images are next over. So, do check the transcription. Regards, Christina http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ ===============================

Now Clare that bought back a memory for me, in as much it was and still is high on the menu, of the family, and in Ireland a remembered thought on one Edward (Ned) Toole being talked of lovingly on drawing his chair to the fridge, with a spoon to eat what was left of the Christmas Trifle, well laced and well loved Wonderful thankyou for jogging that wonderful memory of a man now gone from the family Cheers Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 2:54 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Christmass in Dublin > In a message dated 07/12/2010 15:20:45 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Hmmmmmmmm..........what is tipsy cake? Sounds interesting > > Bit like a trifle but very boozy - my dad used to call it "p.....d as a > newt cake". You soak pound cake which is layered up with jam in a mixture > of > sherry and whisky and then cover with custard and whipped cream (there are > other variations) > > > Here's a link to a similar version (I tend to guess my quantities so can't > give you exact measurements). You can use trifle sponges as well. > > _http://www.recipes.eu.com/recipe711527.html_ > (http://www.recipes.eu.com/recipe711527.html) > > Rgds > > Clare > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and > do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the > SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

I was hoping you'd write something, Maggie! Tipsy cake I do know, very similar to trifle. I still make trifles, with lots of sherry or sometimes an orange liqueur like Cointreau or Drambuie. My mother always used sherry. That Irish breakfast sounds enough to fill me up for the rest of the day. Black pudding I know, but white pudding? Pork? My goodness- fried bread?? (How I loved that as a child - do you sprinkle sugar on it?). > Everyone just wandered in + out of each others home, if there was a knock on the door, it was either the priest or a Garda + then you would hear the shout from inside, "Theres no sinners here". Sounds lovely. Didn't they get invited in for a tipple? Pat L you bring back a lot of memories too. 6.30 am would have been a bit late in our household! My brother and I woke up to find pillowcases stuffed with gifts at the ends of our beds. One other special aspect of my family's Australian christmasses, the house was always filled with red Christmas bush (a native Aussie tree) and blue hydrangeas, and sometimes red and yellow Christmas bells as well. We had the hydrangeas growing around the house, and the christmas bush was available at every shop - still is, probably. That is one thing I do miss here in NZ. I've just found a website on 'Christmas Cultures' <www.whychristmas.com/cultures/> It mentions Boxing Day being important in Ireland. It is also very important in Sydney, Aust. as the day of the start of the annual Sydney-Hobart Yacht race. Sydney has a wonderful harbour and on Boxing Day the whole harbour foreshore is lined with people and the harbour chock-a-block with boats of every description. We do seem to have got a bit astray from genealogy. Hope it's allowed at this time, Cara? Best wishes to everyone. Nancy in NZ

I remember one Christmass eve, my friends mother sent us both up to her sister. We were about 12 at the time. We took her up the Christmass pud she had made for her. The aunt gave us each a glass of port, which we didn't want. She insisted we drink it but I got rid of mine into the nearest plant. Ann wasn't as fast+had to drink all hers. That night, at midnight mass, Ann said she felt a bit woozy. Next thing she fell into me+it was like a domino effect. Everyone was on the floor in the aisle, we had all been standing while singing hymns. I just couldn't stop laughing. People were saying that we were drunk+should be ashamed of ourselves, now that just made me worse. Then Anns mother dragged her out of the Chapel+began slapping the face off her, as if that would do any good. Ann was as White as a ghost, all she kept saying was it was aunt Calys port+that aunt Caly had had tried to poisen her. I had pains from laughing, What a howl. Maggie

Hi Maggie Here in Australia my parents would bundle us up off to Church for midnight mass home at 1am kids to bed after a cool drink and festive biscuit Temp (80f) the stockings filled and presents under the tree the Mothers would sit in the family room to talk until the kids were asleep. Over a quite drink the men would build any of the presents that had been disassembled or travel to nearby homes of friends to retrieve hidden gifts to big to hide at home. The adults would take it in turn to go to one house each year. Come morning 6.30am unless one of the kids woke early; It would be all the cousins showing off new cloth's and toys Our Grand Mother's stories of Clare as kids and Dad's Mother's stories as a kid in Tasmania. Handmade Dolls for the girls boats and planes for the boys not big or fancy but made with love. Tea, coffee, fun. Christmas is Family Time We have two Kids and their partners, 8 Grand kids, 5 G Grand Kids this Christmas to pass on the Spirit Love to all and a wish of peace for all Pat L -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Margaret Doyle Sent: Tuesday, 7 December 2010 9:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Christmass in Dublin In times gone by everyone burned turf, which is raw peat taken from the bogs. So everyone had a blazing fire going on Christmass day, a tree, of course and the candle in the window. A big Irish Breakfast, sausages, rashers, black+White pudding+fried bread. There would be a stocking or stockings hanging from the mantlepiece with the pressies in it, which would be opened after breakfast. The snow was a festive plus+if it was there, the children would slide down the hills on anything they could find, cardboard from a box, maybe or a bit of wood. Dinner consists of Turkey, ham, cabbage or sprouts(miniture cabbages) carrots or green peas, boiled + roast potatoes+gravy. A Christmass pudding that would set you drunk because of all the Guinness+sherry that was in it topped with fresh cream, I think brandy sauce is relatively new. Board games +cards were played from the 1950s. + then there was the poiteen, pronounced potcheen. An unfermented whiskey, like moonshine, it is illegel now. Midnight mass was celebrated on Christmass eve+all the little ones were taken after pressie-opening on the day. Everyone just wandered in + out of each others home, if there was a knock on the door, it was either the priest or a Garda + then you would hear the shout from inside, "Theres no sinners here". Ah, how times have changed, still, the breakfast+dinner stays the same+the pressies, which is good enough for me. I swear Im goin on a diet, come the new year. Merry Christmass+a happy+prosperous new year to all of you and I don't even have the glass of poiteen in me hand. Ha ha. P.s. I will take some photos with this phone of the lights, when it gets nearer Christmass. I can send them to your private emails if you like. Maggie ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16460) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.16460) http://www.pctools.com/ =======

Hi all Personally I have no known Irish ancestry to date except branches that married Irish girls (which is what prompted me to join this list in the first place) There are supposed to be OVINGTONs in Ireland in the 1400's but I have a little way to go to get back there :-) My wifes side have a much stronger Irish connection in her great grandmother, Alice REID who was born in Navan County Meath 1874 Although I was born in Leicestershire I can relate to the majority of Maggies post except the black/white pudding as I can't abide it and never could :-( Being the youngest of ten children in a Catholic family I suspect my Christmas's were very similar to an Irish one anyway Having some Irish friends some years back I am well aware of potcheen and its powers <g> (It was very useful if you had some left over as it made a good paint stripper <vbg>) As I posted earlier, there was a long lead up to Christmas which was very much a part of it for me The light in the window also figured in our homes On Christmas customs, we would go to midnight mass when old enough, I think about ten or eleven, it was a right of passage of sorts, you certainly felt grown up when allowed to go Afterwards we were allowed to open one present each, just a small one In the morning it was a full English breakfast <vbg> (without the dreadful black pudding, yuk) those who had not been to mass would have to forego the breakfast of course Much action in the kitchen whilst the children played with their new toys Travel was all but forbidden on Christmas day, that was for Boxing day , we have continued that whilst we have had children Christmas dinner was a huge event, there was usually a fair number of both adults and children, much turkey and all the trimmings, plenty of pigs in blankets, cranberry sauce, brussels etc Crackers were pulled and silly jokes exchanged, followed by the flaming Christmas pudding , rum butter and brandy sauce not forgetting the silver threepenny bits buried in the pud If you survived all that it was the washing up and plenty of it :-( Board games were the order of the day after the clearing up Boxing day was the time for visiting those within reach, cold meats, pickles and a good array of cheeses with a drop of port were the usual Boxing day fare , somewhere in there was a sherry trifle with plenty of cream Despite my father being a Glaswegian we did not celebrate New Years Eve , still don't if it comes to that All the decorations had to be down by twelfth night and packed away for next year And so the wheel went round Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) PS on the silver threepenny bits in the Christmas pudding, I still have two in my wallet which my mother in law went to great lengths to make sure I got one year, bless her, sadly also gone and much missed

I absolutely loved Xmas as a child, probably because our adored dad loved it and passed that on to us 6 children - he was like a child himself, my mother used to say! Months in advance, he would order and pay BY THE WEEK for our toys and sweets - staples were Annuals (Bunty and Judy) and, of course, Selection Boxes - yum yum! As well, there were the usual dolls, prams, nurses outfits, skates, etc. for us 3 girls and toy guns with caps, cowboy outfits, bikes, train sets, etc for the 3 boys. But best of all for me and my sister (we were the eldest) was the 12 shiny pennies we always got. Dad was a silver polisher, and without fail, every year, we got these shiny pennies in our stocking. We still talk about them! But he refused to collect anything until nearly 9pm on Xmas Eve - the shop closed at 9pm - because he didn't want any of us kids to see any of our presents until Xmas morning. Poor mam would be having forty kinds of fit, terrified that perhaps this year the shop would close early!!!!! My oldest brother was an "absolute demon", "devil" or "a get". He was forever up to mischief, and dragged my next oldest brother into everything - he never get caught himself, of course, although everybody else did! I remember one particular Xmas morning when he and my other brother disappeared out of the house at about 4am (you didn't have to worry in those days) dressed in their Xmas best, and the next thing we knew, they both came flying down our road - bareback - on 2 tinkers horses (scruffy dirty, of course!) whooping and hollering and waking all the parents/kids who weren't already awake. Although my poor mother nearly had a heart attack, all my dad said was "Ah Mona, sure I did worse meself"!! After the excitement of the opening of the presents, it would be time to have a little to eat, then into our Xmas clothes and off to Mass, after which it would be back home for the big traditional family fry-up. Then out on to our road to show off what we got to our friends, and to see what they got from "Santy Claus". Eventually we were called in for Xmas dinner - turkey, ham, roast and mashed potatoes, brussels sprouts and peas, gravy, etc. followed by Xmas pudding and custard. Gorgeous! And finally, that evening, it was off down to Aunty Bridie and Uncle Larry's house for a hooley, when the parents and all the aunties and uncles sang "their" songs - "Mona Lisa" (dad), "One Enchanted Evening" (mam), "A woman without a man" (Uncle Gerry), "Apple Blossom Time" (Uncle Mick), etc, etc. Of course, us kids HATED all these old fuddy-duddy songs, but now ... if only I could hear them all one more time, wouldn't I be one happy woman! Yes, I have great Xmas memories of Dublin in the 1950's. Colette

Pork can be used to make White pudding but beef suet tastes better. The Irish breakfast wouldn't be the same without it. I remember when Dublin began to sprawl into suburbia, the Council built lots of houses in Clondalkin. This had previously been a Country village where farmers would come to sell thier Turkeys in the run-up to Christmass. All the newcomers( the Dublin townies) thought this was great fun. But the Turkeys were still alive, the seller would supply you with a piece of twine to lead the bird home, anyway, the twine broke on this man+the Turkey ran down Moorfield Cresent + was never seen again, obviously someone grabbed him in. God that was so funny, peple out there still talk about it. It's great to hear about all your Christmass experiences. Maggie

Absolutely ! I wasn't saying there was not a huge amount of work on many peoples part although by far the largest input was Mums, just that in todays instant Christmas world much of the magic of Christmas is gone Although it was a huge burden on mum it was one she always enjoyed, it was certainly a time we all participated in and got a great deal out of We all took great pleasure in making decorations together and straightening out the wrapping paper from the previous year :-) They were simpler pleasures that do not seem to have an equal today but agreed the good old days were not always that good My mother passed away when I was just thirteen so have always felt a little cheated by that and only ever knew one grandparent, my dads father, who died when I was three , being the youngest is not always what its cracked up to be Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Much as I miss the nostalgia of those days too, as a woman I realise that > every one of those memories that you have involved a lot of work for your > Mum. No wonder she started in July!! > Hooray for Mums at Christmas - and every day! > Wendy

I confess, I wonder sometimes how we survive the food onslaught at Christmas :-) In my youth there was not the availability of many of todays common fare, much of it was preserved and made in readiness for the Christmas period , in fact it added to the whole prospect of Christmas and the festivities Plums, gooseberries, blackcurrants, greengages, logan berries and more besides were preserved in the summer along with home made jams, lemon curd and mincemeat Apples, both eaters & cookers were stored wrapped in newspaper after carefully inspecting for any damage or imperfections, its surprising how long they last if kept carefully in the dry with an occasional turn Pickles of various sorts (onions, red cabbage, beetroot etc) were made with added spices in the then ubiquitous Kilner Jars Starting somewhere around bonfire night The great ceremony of the stirring of the Christmas pudding and making a wish The making of the Christmas cake Mother would make some sloe gin (definitely not for the childers :-) Nearer Christmas mince pies by the ton (or so it seemed) If preparations were not made early there simply would not have been the Christmas ingredients as and when they were needed Certain things were never seen except at Christmas which added to the overall uniqueness of the celebrations, tangerines or satsuma's, dates & figs are just a few Nowadays you can go out on Christmas Eve and buy the lot in one go, in my opinion Christmas as a festivity has suffered as a consequence Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Well I don't think the drink was included in the calculation so if you > factor that in together with the big breakfast and tea (Christmas day > wouldn't > be the same without tipsy cake -my Irish Gran's recipe) then I think you > may well consume a week's worth of calories in one day. I'm definitely > joining Maggie on the diet. > > Rgds > > Clare

Much as I miss the nostalgia of those days too, as a woman I realise that every one of those memories that you have involved a lot of work for your Mum. No wonder she started in July!! Hooray for Mums at Christmas - and every day! Wendy On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Nivard Ovington <[email protected]> wrote: > I confess, I wonder sometimes how we survive the food onslaught at > Christmas > :-) > > In my youth there was not the availability of many of todays common fare, > much of it was preserved and made in readiness for the Christmas period , > in > fact it added to the whole prospect of Christmas and the festivities > > Plums, gooseberries, blackcurrants, greengages, logan berries and more > besides were preserved in the summer along with home made jams, lemon curd > and mincemeat > > Apples, both eaters & cookers were stored wrapped in newspaper after > carefully inspecting for any damage or imperfections, its surprising how > long they last if kept carefully in the dry with an occasional turn > > Pickles of various sorts (onions, red cabbage, beetroot etc) were made with > added spices in the then ubiquitous Kilner Jars > > Starting somewhere around bonfire night > > The great ceremony of the stirring of the Christmas pudding and making a > wish > > The making of the Christmas cake > > Mother would make some sloe gin (definitely not for the childers :-) > > Nearer Christmas mince pies by the ton (or so it seemed) > > If preparations were not made early there simply would not have been the > Christmas ingredients as and when they were needed > > Certain things were never seen except at Christmas which added to the > overall uniqueness of the celebrations, tangerines or satsuma's, dates & > figs are just a few > > Nowadays you can go out on Christmas Eve and buy the lot in one go, in my > opinion Christmas as a festivity has suffered as a consequence > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > Well I don't think the drink was included in the calculation so if you > > factor that in together with the big breakfast and tea (Christmas day > > wouldn't > > be the same without tipsy cake -my Irish Gran's recipe) then I think you > > may well consume a week's worth of calories in one day. I'm definitely > > joining Maggie on the diet. > > > > Rgds > > > > Clare > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and > do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the > SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 07/12/2010 15:20:45 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hmmmmmmmm..........what is tipsy cake? Sounds interesting Bit like a trifle but very boozy - my dad used to call it "p.....d as a newt cake". You soak pound cake which is layered up with jam in a mixture of sherry and whisky and then cover with custard and whipped cream (there are other variations) Here's a link to a similar version (I tend to guess my quantities so can't give you exact measurements). You can use trifle sponges as well. _http://www.recipes.eu.com/recipe711527.html_ (http://www.recipes.eu.com/recipe711527.html) Rgds Clare

Hi Clare Surely that depends on how much of it you eat <g> (and drink) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Hi Maggie > > There's approximately 7000 calories in a typical Christmas dinner so I > don't think you'll be the only one! > > Rgds > > Clare

In times gone by everyone burned turf, which is raw peat taken from the bogs. So everyone had a blazing fire going on Christmass day, a tree, of course and the candle in the window. A big Irish Breakfast, sausages, rashers, black+White pudding+fried bread. There would be a stocking or stockings hanging from the mantlepiece with the pressies in it, which would be opened after breakfast. The snow was a festive plus+if it was there, the children would slide down the hills on anything they could find, cardboard from a box, maybe or a bit of wood. Dinner consists of Turkey, ham, cabbage or sprouts(miniture cabbages) carrots or green peas, boiled + roast potatoes+gravy. A Christmass pudding that would set you drunk because of all the Guinness+sherry that was in it topped with fresh cream, I think brandy sauce is relatively new. Board games +cards were played from the 1950s. + then there was the poiteen, pronounced potcheen. An unfermented whiskey, like moonshine, it is illegel now. Midnight mass was celebrated on Christmass eve+all the little ones were taken after pressie-opening on the day. Everyone just wandered in + out of each others home, if there was a knock on the door, it was either the priest or a Garda + then you would hear the shout from inside, "Theres no sinners here". Ah, how times have changed, still, the breakfast+dinner stays the same+the pressies, which is good enough for me. I swear Im goin on a diet, come the new year. Merry Christmass+a happy+prosperous new year to all of you and I don't even have the glass of poiteen in me hand. Ha ha. P.s. I will take some photos with this phone of the lights, when it gets nearer Christmass. I can send them to your private emails if you like. Maggie

Thank you Clare.................. I know a number of people who would enjoy that. It's on the menu....-)) Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 7:54 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Christmass in Dublin In a message dated 07/12/2010 15:20:45 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Hmmmmmmmm..........what is tipsy cake? Sounds interesting Bit like a trifle but very boozy - my dad used to call it "p.....d as a newt cake". You soak pound cake which is layered up with jam in a mixture of sherry and whisky and then cover with custard and whipped cream (there are other variations) Here's a link to a similar version (I tend to guess my quantities so can't give you exact measurements). You can use trifle sponges as well. _http://www.recipes.eu.com/recipe711527.html_ (http://www.recipes.eu.com/recipe711527.html) Rgds Clare

Hmmmmmmmm..........what is tipsy cake? Sounds interesting. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2010 2:55 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Christmass in Dublin Well I don't think the drink was included in the calculation so if you factor that in together with the big breakfast and tea (Christmas day wouldn't be the same without tipsy cake -my Irish Gran's recipe) then I think you may well consume a week's worth of calories in one day. I'm definitely joining Maggie on the diet. Rgds Clare

Well I don't think the drink was included in the calculation so if you factor that in together with the big breakfast and tea (Christmas day wouldn't be the same without tipsy cake -my Irish Gran's recipe) then I think you may well consume a week's worth of calories in one day. I'm definitely joining Maggie on the diet. Rgds Clare

In a message dated 07/12/2010 10:13:05 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: still, the breakfast+dinner stays the same+the pressies, which is good enough for me. I swear Im goin on a diet, come the new year Hi Maggie There's approximately 7000 calories in a typical Christmas dinner so I don't think you'll be the only one! Rgds Clare

I expect someone else has already sent in something for the 5th. I receive my List a little later as I am on Digest. What is Christmas like in Dublin as compared to say London? Is it celebrated differently in Irish homes? Here in southern NZ in a city still recovering from a major earthquake, our family will be gathering at the seaside home of one of my husband's nieces. The older children will probably spend the morning on the beach swimming and playing in the nearby sand dunes. There will be 2 toddlers to ooh and ahhh over. We will have a cold midday meal, with lots of little festive goodies but mainly cold ham and turkey and salads. Probably icecream for dessert, and slices of watermelon, although if it's not too hot we might just squeeze in a bit of English tradition and have boiled plum pudding with brandy sauce! Then in the evening most of the family will come to our home for a barbecue, sitting on the deck in the late evening sunlight. We won't have a big decorated tree but we will have the house full of flowers and some sparkly christmas decorations, just a bit! This has been a momentous year for me with the sudden discovery of a whole new branch of my WADE family. Instead of just two brothers (who both came to NZ) there were nine siblings. And their father Robert Wentworth WADE was a schoolmaster. So far I've only been able to trace one more of the children, but I do know the married surname of two of the girls and hope to make further discoveries next year. The family were closely involved with St. Catherine Church in Dublin, and although they moved every few years they always stayed in the vicinity. So I can picture the whole family trudging through the snow to Christmas Day service (you do have snow at Christmas?) no doubt in an orderly file, with a schoolmaster father! Thank you very much Cara, Maggie and a couple of other listers for helping with the initial discoveries. I am so very glad I discovered this List. As Julie wrote, > I look forward to hearing accounts of the types of Christmas our Irish relatives might have experienced. Nancy in Christchurch NZ

These codes have been used since the beginning of codes in Ireland and I am sorry Joyce I went back and rechecked them all, and no you are only correct on two, so here is the corrected Chapman code again. Dublin and Roscommon thankyou for pointing those out - which lead to me rechecking my work Thankyou Cara CHAPMAN CODES FOR COUNTIES OF IRELAND ANT-Antrim ARM-Armagh CAR-Carlow CAV-Cavan CLAR-Clare COR-Cork DON-Donegal DOW-Down DUB-Dublin FER-Fermanagh GAL-Galway KER-Kerry KID-Kildare KIK-Kilkenny LDY-Londonderry ( sometimes referred to as Derry) LET-Leitrim LEX-Leix LIM-Limerick LOG-Longford LOU-Louth MAY-Mayo MEA-Meath MOG-Monaghan OFF-Offaly ROS-Roscommon SLI-Sligo TIP-Tipperary TYR-Tyrone WAT-Waterford WEM-Westmeath WEX-Wexford WIC-Wicklow PROVINCES Connaught Leinster Munster Ulster IRL- Was used as a general abbreviation for Ireland North or South I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter