Thanks again to those who answered me, yes the Shore family etc was mine, have been doing Shore for a number of years now, decided it was time to put the Carpenter lot together put the message up in the hope that someone out there would say hey they are mine They are many the Carpenter family and have repeated the names in every generation it is that I cannot put them in place as yet, thanks again Bron

Good morning Couldn't help laughing at the bit about brick walls ,I married a John Smith and his family was so easy to do all dairy farmers, but my family a nightmare. Brophy's & Bricks Ireland, Randalls, Bates ,Matthews to name a few at Berkshire, Thorpe & Farrall ,Cheshire, Stacey ,Staffordshire, Burnett & Angus ,Scotland. Most seem to have had transport as they were very inclined to move about. Regards Beverley

Thank you, Beverley. It does not appear that the McCullagh family on the Silver Bowl website is mine. Nancy

By _Joan Young_ (mailto:[email protected]) Are You Building Your Own Brick Walls? It's a new year, a new opportunity to dust off some of your trickiest research issues and take another crack at finding the answers. We all have them--brick walls, impossible to locate ancestors who we swear arrived on a mother ship from Mars and plopped full-grown in the place we first found them leaving no trail or records in their wake. Mind you, these elusive ancestors lived well before the days of the Witness Protection Program. They probably were not spies or secret agents whose identity was changed or hidden. They most likely didn't need protection from the bad guys (or maybe the good guys) despite possible family stories to the contrary. Granted there are occasions where there simply is no evidence to be found for your brick wall ancestor, but there may also be instances where your approach to breaking down the wall may need some fine tuning. Here are a few suggestions for taking a New Year's shot at cracking those long-standing brick walls. 1) If you have only considered that your SMITHs are English expand your horizons if you have no direct proof of ethnicity. Take a look at who your John SMITH married and what community he lived in and his religious affiliation. You may find that John SMITH was originally Johan SCHMIDT. Being locked into assumptions of ethnicity can result in building your own brick wall. 2) Did your Aunt Susie tell you great-grandmother Matilda was a "Cherokee Princess?" Examine anything you can find about Matilda such as census records and place of birth before you run off to check Cherokee records. Even if you don't know Matilda's maiden name, clues such as her birth location could help you establish whether Aunt Susie was on the mark or not. Since Native Americans didn't use titles such as "Princess" the use of this term could be an indication that not everything you were told was completely accurate even if there is a kernel of truth to the story. 3) Have you been accepting the family trees you found online which list no sources for your John SMITH in Arkansas being the same John SMITH who fought for the Union in the Civil War from Maine? Family trees are a great resource, but make sure you personally verify sources for the data you find there. Do not accept online unsourced information at face value. If no sources are given, contact the database submitter, when possible, to learn where they got their facts. Finding multiple trees or messages listing "facts" with no sources is no guarantee of accuracy. Others may simply have copied from the original submitter. 4) Have you given up on finding your SMITH ancestors because you searched everything online and off last year and the year before and found nothing? Thousands of new records are added online and placed in files at your local historical society library (or a society in the area where you first located your SMITHs) every year. Always start off the New Year with a fresh search to see what might have come to light or been digitized since you last checked. The point of all of these suggestions is to keep an open mind, don't jump to conclusions, and while not ignoring family stories and lore, consider other possibilities as well. Follow where the evidence trail leads you rather than leaping to conclusions or jumping at illogical connections. If you do make new discoveries about elusive brick wall ancestors be sure to post them online in an updated family tree, or on a message board or mailing list. Sharing what you have learned will help others and provide them with an opportunity to share any additional data they uncover with you. Happy hunting in 2011! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Reprints Permission to reprint articles from RootsWeb Review is granted unless specifically stated otherwise, provided: 1. the reprint is used for non-commercial, educational purposes; and 2. the following notice appears at the end of the article: Previously published in RootsWeb Review: 12 January 2011, Vol. 14, No. 1

This is all I was able to locate Francis Arundel Shore married to a Fanny of Frances Chute also indexed as Tuite so if not a mistake she may have been married before. 1- Thomas Robert Silver Shore born Rathmines Dublin 9/1/1868 2- Frances Arundel Shore born 8/2/1869 Rathmines Dublin 3- Marian Elizabeth indexed with parents Frances Arnold Shore and Frances Tuite born 29th Jan 1871 at Kingstown ( I still think this belongs to the above parents) These are the Dublin Shore family I have but there are other Shore families throughout Ireland I can raise some Carpenter children but I cannot find at this moment a link to your family. Cheers Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bronwyn Langridge" <[email protected]> To: "IRL" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 5:13 AM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] WILLIAM CARPENTER ESQ > This year starting the Carpenter part of the family have the following > > William Carpenter Esq believe he was a solicitor had one daughter > Caroline who married Rev Thomas Robert Shore William Carpenter however > marriage by licence 1811 to Sarah Downes have found the following > 2nd March personal estate of Arundel Carpenter of 4 Palmerston Park > widower who died on or about 22 Jan 1891 probate granted to Francis > Arundel Shore JP and Bank Manager newphew and one of the next of kin > so now I have Caroline and Arundel children of William Carpenter and > Sarah Downes Anyone out there with Carpenter family who may know > anything re above. > Cheers Bron NZ > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and > do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the > SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

http://dublinheritage.ie/electoral/advanced.php If any of your Doyles were still living in Dublin in 1939, you might find them on the electoral roles via the above site which is free. Take into account, that they would have to be at least 18 yrs old to be on the list. Maggie

I've still got four neatly morticed brick walls. 1. Robert Wentworth WADE b. ca 1793, d. 1870. A schoolmaster in Dublin all his life. COI. I would love to know where he was born and if he is at all related to the 'Clonebraney' Wades, as one of his descendants claimed. 2. Anne GIBBONS, his wife. I have nothing at all about Anne/Annie. I do not have their marriage but it must have been about 1828. I cannot find her death either. 3. Harriet WADE their daughter married William CLELLAND, 13 Oct 1868 in Co. Dublin. I cannot find them in the 1901 and 1911 Irish or UK or US Censuses. There were several William McClellands but no wife's name given. I cannot (yet!) find any likely children. 4. Harriet's sister Emily married Robert McCULLAGH on 6 Oct 1862, Dublin North. The 1911 gives a widowed coachman b. Co. Monaghan, COI, but I don't think he would have been Emily's husband - and I can't find a death. Robert and Emily were witnesses to a marriage in 1869 in St. Catherine, of a corporal of the 4th Royals of the Royal Barracks. Perhaps Robert was also a soldier. Not found in 1901, 1911 Censuses with or without the Mc. Nancy in NZ > All the best with your search and may that brick wall show some cracks, mine > are full of cracks, they just dont get past the mortar.

Thanks Roisin have done all that cannot pick them out who belongs to who several Arundel Carpenter to start with thanks again Bron

The Silver Bowl, a site belonging to Sharon Oddie Brown( pardon me Sharon if you are on this list but I dont believe so) has been researching the McCullagh family and this link may help. http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=silverbowl&recno=5335 <http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=SHOW&db=silverbowl&recno=5335> Beverley On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Nancy Vada Gibb <[email protected]>wrote: > I've still got four neatly morticed brick walls. > > 1. Robert Wentworth WADE b. ca 1793, d. 1870. A schoolmaster in Dublin all > his life. COI. I would love to know where he was born and if he is at all > related to the 'Clonebraney' Wades, as one of his descendants claimed. > > 2. Anne GIBBONS, his wife. I have nothing at all about Anne/Annie. I do not > have their marriage but it must have been about 1828. I cannot find her > death either. > > 3. Harriet WADE their daughter married William CLELLAND, 13 Oct 1868 in Co. > Dublin. I cannot find them in the 1901 and 1911 Irish or UK or US Censuses. > There were several William McClellands but no wife's name given. I cannot > (yet!) find any likely children. > > 4. Harriet's sister Emily married Robert McCULLAGH on 6 Oct 1862, Dublin > North. The 1911 gives a widowed coachman b. Co. Monaghan, COI, but I don't > think he would have been Emily's husband - and I can't find a death. > Robert and Emily were witnesses to a marriage in 1869 in St. Catherine, of > a corporal of the 4th Royals of the Royal Barracks. Perhaps Robert was also > a soldier. Not found in 1901, 1911 Censuses with or without the Mc. > > Nancy in NZ > > > All the best with your search and may that brick wall show some cracks, > mine > > are full of cracks, they just dont get past the mortar. > > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and > do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the > SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Beverley Clarkson Sambro Head, Nova Scotia

This year starting the Carpenter part of the family have the following William Carpenter Esq believe he was a solicitor had one daughter Caroline who married Rev Thomas Robert Shore William Carpenter however marriage by licence 1811 to Sarah Downes have found the following 2nd March personal estate of Arundel Carpenter of 4 Palmerston Park widower who died on or about 22 Jan 1891 probate granted to Francis Arundel Shore JP and Bank Manager newphew and one of the next of kin so now I have Caroline and Arundel children of William Carpenter and Sarah Downes Anyone out there with Carpenter family who may know anything re above. Cheers Bron NZ

Hi Bron Mention of Carpenters and Shores (some of them "yours") at the following http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords. Good luck! Colette > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 07:13:37 +1300 > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] WILLIAM CARPENTER ESQ > > This year starting the Carpenter part of the family have the following > > William Carpenter Esq believe he was a solicitor had one daughter Caroline who married Rev Thomas Robert Shore William Carpenter however marriage by licence 1811 to Sarah Downes have found the following > 2nd March personal estate of Arundel Carpenter of 4 Palmerston Park widower who died on or about 22 Jan 1891 probate granted to Francis Arundel Shore JP and Bank Manager newphew and one of the next of kin > so now I have Caroline and Arundel children of William Carpenter and Sarah Downes Anyone out there with Carpenter family who may know anything re above. > Cheers Bron NZ > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm still searching for this elusive gentleman. I now know that he had a brother William and I suspect another, Thomas. He was born in Dublin about 1842. I have baptismal certificates for a James and William baptised 1842 and 1845 respectively whose parents were John and Mary nee Mulholland. But when William died in 1908 his age is given as 69 making him born in 1839. On James' death certificate it gives his parents as Elizabeth and James, a merchant. At this stage I have been unable to find shipping for them to have come to New Zealand where both died in Arrowtown. Thomas is shown on the 1866-67 to 1873-74 Electoral rolls as living in Skippers which is in the same electoral district as Arrowtown. As James named his first-born Thomas and the other William I wonder if they were named after his brothers making Thomas the elder. So far I haven't been able to locate Thomas' death. Any help would be greatly appreciated. June Keating Carterton New Zealand

Thank you very much Cara, and happy new year. Is there anyone out there able to study Parish registers in Naas, Kildare for me for 1845 to 1871 And track Charles Maher/Myers/Meir, please? best wishes to all, Anne Power On 10 Jan 2011, at 08:00, [email protected] wrote: > > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 20:07:03 +1100 > From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] IRL-DUBLIN my questions > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > There is a Charles Maher and Mary Cleary in Kildare having children > in 1868 > > There is also your Charles and Anne Mearns with Anna Maria in 1871 > > Charles Maher and Mary Garry having children in same area same time > > A John Maher is born to Charles Maher and Mary Garry in 17/4/1870 > but other > children are born to this couple Edward 1871 so that rules this John > out to > be yours > > Interesting enough the name is also indexed as Myers and Meir have > you used > this spelling as well. > > A Charles Maher and Annie McKeever have a child in Dublin in 1874 > > So there are lots of Charles ..........moving around. > > Pre 1845 are definately parish register hunts and this is of course > where > you all run into problems as you are not in Ireland to follow up in > a parish > register, for which I am most sorry about. > > I think I would see if someone would look through the registers of > Naas and > Carragh and see if they can locate your earlier Maher family, by > chance. > > Sorry I cannot be of further assistance only to suggest you dont > lose the > path and keep trying. > As it is not always the find that makes you smile but the hunt for > the smile > that creates the passion. > > > Cheers for now > Cara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "anne vivienne power" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 7:42 PM > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] IRL-DUBLIN my questions > > >> >> Please can anyone provide me a picture of 8 Bow Bridge, Ushers Quay, >> Dublin? >> >> I have found my great uncle Charles Maher here in 1911 with second >> wife Mary Ann >> >> after long time against a "wall". And any more information on >> them >> and any children most welcome. >> >> Also his parents Charles Maher 1823 and Anne Mearns 1831 had a child >> (my grandmother) in Naas of Kildare in October 1871 before coming to >> Liverpool, England for the rest of their lives. Can their birth >> places be found? And did Charles have an earlier marriage and /or >> have a son John in 1845? >> >> >> Thank you in hope, >> >> Anne Power Manchester UK >> >>>

Dear :Listers, >From my point of view as your Admin, I would love to go through the year without finding myself forever having to have people follow some necessary things, so lets begin as we mean to go on. 1- SUBJECT LINE Whether you receive digest or L Mode PLEASE change the subject to fit the body of your mail. 2-CUT FROM THE`MAIL- You are answering all the futile parts of the mail, they only take up the archive space. 3-If you are wishing to suggest a site and it is a paid site please say so, and add the URL with a note saying *paid site to view 4-Endeavour to keep the subject on the list, as this adds to other persons knowledge and aids and assist those that are new to Irish research and saves at times of having to repeat the same old same old. 5-The most important thing to remember is that emotions do not show in an email, and if you treat people as you wish to be treated then it will be a calm year all round. Have patience for all those newer people joining the list. 6-Do not discuss technical issues on list, or anything to do with administration, those things are resolved, by writing off line to myself or Rootsweb. 7-If you are using a generic email address, it would be wise to change your password frequently with the amount of people being hacked these days. 8-When people annoy you on the list by asking silly questions, remember we all asked them at one time or another 9-Utilise your list, ask questions, begin a topic and follow it through, and lets enjoy the hunt for those ellusive ancestors. 10-Having a problem then do not hesitate to contact me off list and discuss it with me, have a suggestion for me do that as well, ( but be polite) That is my suggestion for this coming year. All the best with your search and may that brick wall show some cracks, mine are full of cracks, they just dont get past the mortar. Cheers Cara I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

There is a Charles Maher and Mary Cleary in Kildare having children in 1868 There is also your Charles and Anne Mearns with Anna Maria in 1871 Charles Maher and Mary Garry having children in same area same time A John Maher is born to Charles Maher and Mary Garry in 17/4/1870 but other children are born to this couple Edward 1871 so that rules this John out to be yours Interesting enough the name is also indexed as Myers and Meir have you used this spelling as well. A Charles Maher and Annie McKeever have a child in Dublin in 1874 So there are lots of Charles ..........moving around. Pre 1845 are definately parish register hunts and this is of course where you all run into problems as you are not in Ireland to follow up in a parish register, for which I am most sorry about. I think I would see if someone would look through the registers of Naas and Carragh and see if they can locate your earlier Maher family, by chance. Sorry I cannot be of further assistance only to suggest you dont lose the path and keep trying. As it is not always the find that makes you smile but the hunt for the smile that creates the passion. Cheers for now Cara ----- Original Message ----- From: "anne vivienne power" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 7:42 PM Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] IRL-DUBLIN my questions > > Please can anyone provide me a picture of 8 Bow Bridge, Ushers Quay, > Dublin? > > I have found my great uncle Charles Maher here in 1911 with second > wife Mary Ann > > after long time against a "wall". And any more information on them > and any children most welcome. > > Also his parents Charles Maher 1823 and Anne Mearns 1831 had a child > (my grandmother) in Naas of Kildare in October 1871 before coming to > Liverpool, England for the rest of their lives. Can their birth > places be found? And did Charles have an earlier marriage and /or > have a son John in 1845? > > > Thank you in hope, > > Anne Power Manchester UK > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7 Jan 2011, at 08:00, [email protected] wrote: > >> 1. Back Brook, Dublin - Help Please. (Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey) >> >> >> I would very much appreciate if there is anyone on this list who can >> tell me >> about 'Back Brook' Dublin. >> This is the town /village / location - given by my John Riley / >> Reilly as >> his place of birth in Ireland c.1830. >> >> It is clearly written on his marriage certificate in New South Wales, >> Australia, in 1851.I cannot find any reference to 'Back Brook, >> Dublin' and >> would hope someone more familiar with the Dublin area may be able to >> help. >> >> Kind regards, >> Jennifer >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and > do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the > SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

Having checked personally the registers in Dublin, and also hiring a professional, my grandfather's birth remains elusive. Records in both Dublin and Roscommon were checked. Last year ca March while browsing a site mentioned by a lister, I somehow came upon a listing which could well have been my grandpa's. But alas, I have lost the site. Any suggestions for "birth at sea" sites from you listers? The family was either heading to England or coming from there. Possible Isle of Man or Holyhead for a port. Name is John James Keogh. Thanks for any help.

Hi, I am searching for information on a John DOYLE married to a Winifred Jane MUSTON in 1925 in Rathdown, Dublin, Ireland. They had (at least) one child, Vincent Thomas DOYLE, born on Jan 19, 1927, in Sandy Cove, Dublin, Ireland. I have no information on John Doyle, but, Winifred Jane MUSTON was the daughter of: Vincent MUSTON, born 1865-1866 in Toxteth Park, Liverpool, England and died Dec 9, 1945, Rathdown, Ireland, and a Jane (Surname unknown), born about 1873 in Dublin, Ireland and died before 1990. Thank you for any leads you can pass on to me, Bette

Hello Nivard, Thank you so much for your response. I have finally come to the conclusion, with the very generous help of yourself and several others on the list, that the location of my John Riley's birth has to be 'Rock Brook' or 'Rockbrook' [South Dublin]. Will take it from there and see what happens next. Cheers, from a Very ... Very Wet Queensland, Jen -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Saturday, 8 January 2011 12:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Back Brook, Dublin - Help Please. Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Jennifer I have just remembered that there is another old cemetery in the Rockbrook area called Cruagh Old Cemetery. . Joyce

To Joyce; Margaret Doyle; Roisin Lafferty and all of the kindest people on the Dublin list, my sincere thanks for your assistance. On your advice I have spent the last two days with a microscope firmly focused on the certificate. John RILEY /REILLY's birthplace has to be 'ROCK BROOK' Dublin, not 'Back Brook'. Now, this certificate was written in 1854, and refers to 'Rock Brook, Dublin' one would think it should be on a map - as you all have so correctly discussed. On John Taylor's map of the environs of Dublin (1816) - I can see both Willbrook and Fairbrook. However with the scroll bar pushed to the limit at the top of the map, I can also see the letters 'Rock...' just near Roundtown. Is this where I should be looking for Rock Brook? See link to map below. http://www.southdublinhistory.ie/Rathfarnham/rathf_map_taylor.htm?counter=1 The problem lies in trying to find out more about my very elusive g.g.grandfather, John RILEY. No parents names as yet. We should propose that he was born in 'ROCK BROOK, DUBLIN' c.1820. We know he came to the goldfields of New South Wales [not sure when - searching immigration records with hundreds named 'John Riley']. He married in NSW in 1854 to Elizabeth WOODCOCK [born in NSW]. The interesting thing is that he was married in an Anglican Church in NSW, and from what I have read there seems to have been a strong Protestant presence in Rathfarnham. [No further relevant details on Australian certificates]. If I could track down the birth of this fellow c.1820 I would be absolutely delighted. Thank you all again for your assistance. If anyone would like help with Queensland or New South Wales records, I would gladly try to help. Cheers, Jen [in a very VERY wet Queensland!] Dr. Jennifer Lambert-Tracey Archaeologist ~ Historian PO Box 4284, ST LUCIA SOUTH, QUEENSLAND AUSTRALIA 4067 Email: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dr. Jennifer Lambert Tracey Sent: Friday, 7 January 2011 4:43 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Back Brook, Dublin - Help Please. I would very much appreciate if there is anyone on this list who can tell me about 'Back Brook' Dublin ...