Thanks Julie With only two possible sightings so far she might be known as George for all I know <g> But seriously , yes its something I keep a watchful eye on Thanks for the thought :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Might Marion be spelt differently/mispelt? Maryann etc. I accidently found a reli in a mispelt census record. I also wonder about how registrar's etc might interpret an accent, and the varied results that could produce. Good luck Julie

Hi all I have another possible Dublin connection I have long searched for my sister in laws family Lilian Ursula COOK nee SMITH passed away in April 1972 and is buried with her husband Henry Spencer COOK who died 1964 At her death registration the informant gave her birth date as 3rd Oct 1899 but on her marriage at Our Lady of the Holy Souls Bosworth Road in Kensington on the 30th September 1934 she gave her age as 35 which points towards a birth in 1898 I found in the Irish Civil Registration births the following Ireland, Civil Registration Indexes, 1845-1958 name: Lillian Ursula Smith registration district: Dublin North event type: BIRTHS registration quarter and year: Oct - Dec 1898 volume number: 2 page number: 435 digital folder number: 4193981 Lilian gave her father as William SMITH, an Accountant, at her marriage in 1934 In 1901 I found a Lilian aged 2 with father William SMITH a Commission Agent and mother Marion, three sibling girls and an Aunt Mary SMITH all RC and born Dublin City , they are at 31 Upper Rutland Street In 1911 most of the family (except Lilian) are listed in Dublin they state they have been married 23 years and had 6 children, four surviving, three are with William (now a Bakers Clerk) and Marion again all born Dublin City at number 3 Leo Avenue The nearest Lilian I can find is an 11 year old Lillie with Aunt & Uncle CLARKE all enumerated as born Co Armagh But she is with them in 1901 so not her Has Upper Rutland Street been redeveloped? there is a Lower Rutland Street but no Upper I have tried to match the William SMITHs marrying in Dublin in 1887 to 1889 to any Marions but no matches found Does anyone have any bright ideas as to how to further this I have not as yet obtained the birth cert , would that be a transcript or a copy for 6 euro's ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Dear Sandra, What Lucy has stated is really quite clear, and certainly gives you now a wider area to look at for her which of course is Kilkenny but in her stated fact of daughters, they were obviously born, baptised or belonged to the parish of St Brigids, although I have no reference to said parish in any of my books and a google does not clearly define this as a townland of Dublin. In fact further researching townlands shows it is not a townland of Dublin http://www.seanruad.com/ Which is of course perhaps is not what Lucy Waugh meant, perhaps she was saying they have belonged to any of the St Brigid's ( churches) of which there are many in Dublin. Which of course does not answer the question very well for you, but I feel you would be looking for a church of said name in the area of where they lived before leaving Dublin. This is the dates of the graveyard of said Saint Brigids' ( Castleknock) which does suggest that this may be also an area you need to look at. Castleknock (Saint Brigid's) -Castleknock Dublin 15 -RC-1695 to date Cof I -1709-1742 and 1772 -1875 Dont lose heart, never give up the search even though sometimes it seems as clear as mud. Cheers for now Cara

Yes I have tried a newspaper search to no avail. I am still no further on in my search for her burial. Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joyce Sent: Friday, 25 March 2011 7:59 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] [IRL-DUBLIN-CITY] Martha HUGHES - where was she buried in 1873-1874Dublin, Dublin, Ireland ? Have you tried a Dublin Newspaper, e.g. The Irish Times Archive Online, for a death announcement which might give more details, i.e. the place of burial? Where was she living at the time of her death? Joyce > DEATH: HUGHES: At Dublin in her seventy fifth year of her age, the > beloved > mother of Professor Hughes, and widow of the late P H Hughes Esq. formerly > of Corfu, Santa Maria and Zante - Illustrated Australian News, April 20th > 1874 p 71 > > This is for Martha HUGHES nee HAYDEN. > > There is no death registration for Martha and she is not buried in Mt > Jerome, Glasnevin nor Deans Grange. > ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can someone point me in the direction for ordering an Irish marriage certificate and what would the cost be please. Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney

If you go to the GRO Ireland site <http://www.groireland.ie/> here then..... Tab down to apply for a certificate, complete the form using the GRO index references for the BMD cert you want. If the cert is only need for genealogical purposes, then a photocopy copy is fine. Assuming you give them the GRO reference the cost will be 4 Euros and you can fax the form with you credit card details. Delivery? My last request a couple of months was delivered fro Roscommon to UK in 5 days. Also have look a RootsChat <http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php> here - lots of very useful/helpful info here including tips on ordering certs. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [ <mailto:[email protected]> mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 15 April 2011 08:00 To: [email protected] Subject: IRL-DUBLIN Digest, Vol 6, Issue 75 Message: 1 Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 12:48:08 +1000 From: "Valerie B Garton" <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] Brain fade or Seniors moment To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Can someone point me in the direction for ordering an Irish marriage certificate and what would the cost be please. Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney

Found in a new database on Ancestry London, England, Crisp's Marriage Licence Index, 1713-1892 Thomas Collot Saint Thomas, Dublin Mary Ann Wright 12 Aug 1846 Thomas Curtis Chancery Lane, Dublin Clara Middleton 21 Mar 1853 James Butler Ferriter Dublin Mary Atkin 4 Feb 1856 William Holden Saint Mary, Dublin, Ireland Mary Power 3 Mar 1840 Richard Kavanagh Dalkey, Dublin Angelina Maria Power 21 Aug 1876 Hugh Mc Kean Rathmines, Dublin, Ireland Mary Jane Roche 22 May 1876 William Joseph Murphy Kings Inn, Dublin Emily Turnbull Ming 12 Apr 1873 John Henry O'Callaghan Kilgobbin, Dublin Fanny Julia Mary Frost 4 Jul 1867 William Ryder Dublin Ellenor Stacey 30 Dec 1860 John Sargent Castleknock, Dublin, Ireland Esther Roots 29 Sep 1868 Arthur Vincent Turner Saint Peter, Dublin Eliza Boswell 5 Jul 1850 William Orpwood Wake Saint Peter, Dublin Mary Parker 14 Aug 1847 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Many thanks Nivard for this most interesting reply and for the time you have given to further research. It is greatly appreciaited. Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Friday, 8 April 2011 3:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] Registering of a vital recoard ? Hi Valerie I am not so familiar with the Irish system of Civil registration as I am the English & Welsh but reading up a little it appears it was on similar lines and changes were made in similar periods, probably for the same reasons There is a good passage here http://www.groireland.ie/history.htm This touches on but does not go into it deeply, the specific ways in which events were collected/recorded but I get the impression things were largely the same as in Eng/Wales Firstly its true to say that every system is flawed to a point and will miss or record incorrectly some events and as humans are involved there will be the resultant human errors, events missed, incorrectly recorded, not reported, duplicated even In Eng/Wales Civil registration started in mid 1837 somewhat earlier than Ireland, from the start the onus was on the Registrar to actively seek out events, rather than the parents (in the case of a birth) be obligated to go and register There was not a penalty for not registering until the 1870's (it would appear to be 1880's in Ireland), Registrars were paid by the event registered this also lead in some cases to some Registrars supplementing their income by registering fictitious events, but inevitably some events were missed as the parents moved or the Registrar was unaware of them In the early days of Civil registration many parents assumed Baptism was as good as registration so didn't bother with the Civil part Then as now there is/was a distrust of officialdom, people simply did not believe it was being done for anything other than some nefarious reason by the Government, so they tried there utmost to avoid it Not helped by the attitude of the Church who thought it was their job and the Government were undermining their authority Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I am wondering what the procedure was about registering a vital event in > Ireland. > > Over here the vitals were submitted to the local court who was then supposed > to send them the Register General. This is why some of them are missing as > they never reached the RG. > > Anyone with any suggestions please ? > > Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Valerie I am not so familiar with the Irish system of Civil registration as I am the English & Welsh but reading up a little it appears it was on similar lines and changes were made in similar periods, probably for the same reasons There is a good passage here http://www.groireland.ie/history.htm This touches on but does not go into it deeply, the specific ways in which events were collected/recorded but I get the impression things were largely the same as in Eng/Wales Firstly its true to say that every system is flawed to a point and will miss or record incorrectly some events and as humans are involved there will be the resultant human errors, events missed, incorrectly recorded, not reported, duplicated even In Eng/Wales Civil registration started in mid 1837 somewhat earlier than Ireland, from the start the onus was on the Registrar to actively seek out events, rather than the parents (in the case of a birth) be obligated to go and register There was not a penalty for not registering until the 1870's (it would appear to be 1880's in Ireland), Registrars were paid by the event registered this also lead in some cases to some Registrars supplementing their income by registering fictitious events, but inevitably some events were missed as the parents moved or the Registrar was unaware of them In the early days of Civil registration many parents assumed Baptism was as good as registration so didn't bother with the Civil part Then as now there is/was a distrust of officialdom, people simply did not believe it was being done for anything other than some nefarious reason by the Government, so they tried there utmost to avoid it Not helped by the attitude of the Church who thought it was their job and the Government were undermining their authority Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >I am wondering what the procedure was about registering a vital event in > Ireland. > > Over here the vitals were submitted to the local court who was then supposed > to send them the Register General. This is why some of them are missing as > they never reached the RG. > > Anyone with any suggestions please ? > > Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney

I am wondering what the procedure was about registering a vital event in Ireland. Over here the vitals were submitted to the local court who was then supposed to send them the Register General. This is why some of them are missing as they never reached the RG. Anyone with any suggestions please ? Cheers from Valerie in sunny Sydney

No it is not my family Cara but as I am doing a ONS I would be interested in everything you have for HIGGINSONs Mrs Valerie B Garton Dip Family History Studies and Assc Dip Local & Applied History. Guild of One-Name Studies [GOONS] representative for the surnames CULLODEN & HIGGINSON Worldwide - member no: 4825 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cara_Links Sent: Wednesday, 6 April 2011 1:52 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] HIGGINSON Valerie, The subject should catch your eye, surely. James Ramsey Garrett married a Mary Higginson who was born 1821 died 31st MArch 1852 Is this family connected to your Higginson research if so I have more details to share Cheers Cara ****************************** ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Valerie, The subject should catch your eye, surely. James Ramsey Garrett married a Mary Higginson who was born 1821 died 31st MArch 1852 Is this family connected to your Higginson research if so I have more details to share Cheers Cara

I have just uploaded Deansgrange - St Brigids part 2. This set is from Joyce Tunstead. To view the latest go to: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ Click on DUBLIN & then Headstones. Then choose Deansgrange from the top of the index. I would say most of these graves are for people who died in the last 60 years. All the best, Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects - Archives

Thanks a million Christina - will give that a go! Colette > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2011 20:19:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [IRL-DUBLIN] More for Mt Jerome > > Hi Colette, > "Spidering" is what they call it when a search engine goes through a website to > get the latest info. It did mean our site search engine had added the latest > from Mount Jerome. It goes through every night to update. > > To search just the headstones you could do a search from the main IGP page. Use > the drop down feature to pick Dublin and also put headstones kavanagh. > Once you open a page, you can use your Browser's Find function which is usually > Control F. > I was guessing today that between just Yvonne and Joyce there must be close to > 10,000 gravestones. Joyce has another 4,000 for Deansgrange and there are others > in Wicklow and Down. An amazing amount of work. If anyone else lives in > Ireland, Joyce and Yvonne can use some help. :) > Thanks for your kind words Colette. > Christina > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/

Hi Christina Firstly - absolutely fantastic work being done by Yvonne. She deserves never mind one medal, a BUCKETFUL! And you deserve a few yourself!!!! Secondly, not too sure what you mean by "spidered", but does it mean I can search all of the Mount Jerome text files for my Kavanagh family (who I know are buried there, and have a headstone). Cheers and thanks. Colette > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2011 08:03:25 -0400 > Subject: [IRL-DUBLIN] More for Mt Jerome > > Yvonne has just contributed another 150 photos for Mt Jerome (Part 21). > The search engine has "spidered" the site, so they will be included in a search. > To view go to http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ > Click on Dublin and then Headstones. > Enjoy! > Christina > > ****************************** > ATTENTION TO ALL:- Do any of you ever get to the bottom of this mail?, and do you remove the details that do not apply to your mail and change the SUBJECT LINE for best useage of ARCHIVED MATERIALS. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Colette, "Spidering" is what they call it when a search engine goes through a website to get the latest info. It did mean our site search engine had added the latest from Mount Jerome. It goes through every night to update. To search just the headstones you could do a search from the main IGP page. Use the drop down feature to pick Dublin and also put headstones kavanagh. Once you open a page, you can use your Browser's Find function which is usually Control F. I was guessing today that between just Yvonne and Joyce there must be close to 10,000 gravestones. Joyce has another 4,000 for Deansgrange and there are others in Wicklow and Down. An amazing amount of work. If anyone else lives in Ireland, Joyce and Yvonne can use some help. :) Thanks for your kind words Colette. Christina http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ > > Hi Christina > Firstly - absolutely fantastic work being done by Yvonne. She > deserves never mind one medal, a BUCKETFUL! And you deserve a few > yourself!!!! > Secondly, not too sure what you mean by "spidered", but does it > mean I can search all of the Mount Jerome text files for my > Kavanagh family (who I know are buried there, and have a headstone). > > Cheers and thanks. > Colette >

Hi Cara With the marriage in Wexford I have always assumed that Mary most have been born there, but with nothing to back it up. The family search site only has her born around 1838 On the marriage cert, of James Rendell and Kate Archbold in 1901 it has Oliver down as a Farmer but where South Dublin where his children were born .On the same cert; there are two witness that may help James HOGAN and Margaret MURRAY may be relatives or just a stand in for the marriage Thank's again Jeff

1- SURNAME:-   Murphy 2-William (possibly William B) 3- RELIGION:  Catholic 4- DO YOU KNOW WHERE THEY MARRIED : William Murphy married Bridget Donahue(Donohoe) at SS Michael and John's in Dublin on April 4, 1850.  Witnesses were James Kinsella and Mary Burke.  5- AGE WHEN MARRIED:- William born approximately 1819 and Bridget approximately 1826-possibly August, 1826 6- GROOM WAS BORN WHERE:-unknown 7-LIVED AFTER MARRIAGE:  Arrived in Cleveland Ohio sometime between the date of their marriage and September, 1850 as their first child, Thomas, was born in Cleveland in September, 1850. 8- NAME THE CHILDREN BORN TO THE  MARRIED COUPLE  IN IRELAND:  All children born in Cleveland Ohio 9- IF THEY LEFT IRELAND WHEN WHAT YEAR:-left between April and September , 1850 10- DID THEY DIE IN IRELAND:-no 11- WHAT DID THE PERSON YOU ARE LOOKING FOR WORK AT: In Cleveland, he was a brick layer.   Here is additional information that I have: a Patrick Toole (O'Toole-possibly born June, 1832) lived with the family -he was on the 1860 census-he was also executor of William's will- William died in 1871.  Possibly Patrick Toole was family??  After 1860 Patrick lived with a Mary Byrne (widow of John Byrne) and her daughter Mary A Byrne(possibly born Dec. 1849)  - these were Patrick's aunt and cousin.  I notice on the marriage certificate one of the witnesses is Mary Burke- so I am thinking this could possibly be the same person.  There was a William Murphy(I was looking for William's that were there in 1850 but not 1851) that lived in Dublin on 116 North King St. and a Patrick Toole that lived at 21 N. King in 1850- I don't believe this William is there in 1851.  I really have no idea if they were from Dublin - I am just assuming at this point that they lived there at one point since that is where they married. I have death records and cemetery records of William, Bridget, all of their children, Patrick and the Byrne's and it doesn't say in any of them where in Ireland they were from. Any help or suggestions is greatly appreciated. Thanks  

As they married in Camolin Jeff, have you looked at the Murphy ? ( did I remember that correctly)side of the family in that area to see if they should give you a lead to Oliver Archbold, one wonders why Oliver was down the Country courting in and around Camolin. My honest thoughts are I would return to the area and see if I could locate what Oliver may have been working at, other than courting a girl and marrying her. These are just thoughts Jeff Cara I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter

Dear Patrick, Although this wont help you in your search it may make you feel like you are not alone, my grandfather was also a "Sailor" he also was born in Dublin, he also is my brick wall, (still) he also lists his home town as Dublin, on shipping papers, but when he walked Priscilla down the aisle as his wife he had stated he was born in Old Castle Ireland, and if you look at that and realise, that there are 7 Old Castle townlands in Ireland, let alone all the draughty old castles that spring to mind, it has been a long winding path of twists and turns, with no reult in the end. But did your grandfather Patrick Flanagan work as a Sailor in Australia? what or where was his home port for shipping from? Because shipping papers are held in South Australia, for seaman, but seeing as your family is Sydney I cannot say for sure that the papers that would or may add to your search are held in South Australia and my other bad side is out at the moment so cannot ask him, as he is maritime man, but I will. I note you have a POLLY which i guess you know can be Margaret, the Irish like to give us these twists and turns to keep us dancing in the dark. These are just some thoughts for you Patrick as I have travelled the same road for many a year hunting a "Sailor " man named Thomas O'Donoghue or variant Feel free to contact me off the list if you wish to ask me more Cheers Cara I use BullGuard Spamfilter to keep my inbox clean. It is completely free: www.bullguard.com/freespamfilter