--WebTV-Mail-13096-6335 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit You should be aware of the fact that near the end of your vacation, the annual jazz festivel takes place in Cork City. All rooms will be booked. I'm not sure when it starts. John Kiely Boston --WebTV-Mail-13096-6335 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpinvite-2001-5.public.lawson.webtv.net (172.16.213.205) by storefull-2136.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com (lists5.rootsweb.com [207.40.200.41]) by smtpinvite-2001-5.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 98720FE0F; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 11:06:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.4/8.12.4) id g91I0rpe021557; Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:00:53 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 12:00:53 -0600 Message-Id: <200210011800.g91I0rpe021557@lists5.rootsweb.com> From: IRL-CORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-CORK-CITY-D Digest V02 #72 X-Loop: IRL-CORK-CITY-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <IRL-CORK-CITY-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume02/72 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: IRL-CORK-CITY-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain IRL-CORK-CITY-D Digest Volume 02 : Issue 72 Today's Topics: #1 [IRL-CORK-CITY] NON GEN... Sports ["Emma Dundon" <emma.dundon@sympati] #2 Re: [IRL-CORK-CITY] NON GEN... Spo ["Brendan Jones" <brendanj@gofree.i] #3 Re: [IRL-CORK-CITY] NON GEN... Spo ["Jill Williams" <jill@aijk.org>] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from IRL-CORK-CITY-D, send a message to IRL-CORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #1 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 13:49:14 -0400 From: "Emma Dundon" <emma.dundon@sympatico.ca> To: IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <005001c268a9$b0ed5220$abcefea9@emmascomputer> Subject: [IRL-CORK-CITY] NON GEN... Sports event Oct 19-24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello everyone. We are planning a return visit to Cork City as the June holiday there was so enjoyable. Can you go to the county archives and the library without appointment? Is the information free? Where would I go to find out past ownership of a home? Also, we e will be free to go to any sporting event (not golf ) between Oct. 18th and 24th, and would dearly love to do so. Would anyone know of any events in this time frame, and is it possible to get tickets? Charles dearly loves soccer, rugby and hurling, although I realize that this might be the wrong season. Any advice appreciated, as always. Thanks. Emma Dundon ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #2 Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 09:17:30 +0100 From: "Brendan Jones" <brendanj@gofree.indigo.ie> To: IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <001401c26859$fd05f7c0$079c7dc2@brendanj> Subject: Re: [IRL-CORK-CITY] NON GEN... Sports event Oct 19-24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Emma, You would need to book well in advance for the Cork Archives on the South Main St. If you wish to use a film-reader at the Cork City Library, on the Grand Parade or the Cork County Library on Farranlea Rd., you would also need to book in advance. If you wish to look up any thing else at the latter two just drop in. You will find the staff at both libraries to be most helpful. The only charge is for photo copies. Any sporting events in Cork in October should present no problem regarding tickets. Not very much hurling at this time of year. Regards, Brendan Jones. > Hello everyone. We are planning a return visit to Cork City as the June holiday there was so enjoyable. ______________________________ ------------------------------ X-Message: #3 Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 00:12:49 +0100 From: "Jill Williams" <jill@aijk.org> To: IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <004501c268d6$e572ef00$eee4be3e@jill> Subject: Re: [IRL-CORK-CITY] NON GEN... Sports event Oct 19-24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Emma The Cork County library is out behind the County Hall on the Lee Road or Straight Road as is is often called. When I visited last year it wasn't wonderfully sign posted ( a major inderstatement!). The space for looking at things there was a bit cramped and by no means modern but the staff were very helpful and for no charge, encouraged me to browse through various items including Guys Directory. The library has copies of the annual Guys Directory for many years in the late 19th Century and quite a number of years pre 1929 - this was the period I was looking at - I'm sure they have more recent as well. The directory is a mine of Cork information - I followed my g. grandfather's William Cotter career as a primary school headmaster and union secretary in it late 19th C out in Glanworth in County Cork. It also includes trade information and householder names and addresses so I was able to use it to pinpoint when my grandparents moved from one address to another in Cork City. You may find it of some use to pinpoint the owner of a house if you are looking at late 19thC or early 20C. Your husband may also possibly recognise some of the old advertisements in it e.g. for Hadji Bey's Turkish Delight. When I visited the County Library was not open on Saturday or Sunday. To get more up to date information you can e-mail them at corkcountylibrary@eircom.net Hope you have a good trip. Jill Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emma Dundon" <emma.dundon@sympatico.ca> To: <IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 6:49 PM Subject: [IRL-CORK-CITY] NON GEN... Sports event Oct 19-24 > Hello everyone. We are planning a return visit to Cork City as the June holiday there was so enjoyable. > > Can you go to the county archives and the library without appointment? Is the information free? Where would I go to find out past ownership of a home? > > Also, we e will be free to go to any sporting event (not golf ) between Oct. 18th and 24th, and would dearly love to do so. Would anyone know of any events in this time frame, and is it possible to get tickets? Charles dearly loves soccer, rugby and hurling, although I realize that this might be the wrong season. > > Any advice appreciated, as always. > > Thanks. Emma Dundon > > -------------------------------- End of IRL-CORK-CITY-D Digest V02 Issue #72 ******************************************* --WebTV-Mail-13096-6335--

Emma The Cork County library is out behind the County Hall on the Lee Road or Straight Road as is is often called. When I visited last year it wasn't wonderfully sign posted ( a major inderstatement!). The space for looking at things there was a bit cramped and by no means modern but the staff were very helpful and for no charge, encouraged me to browse through various items including Guys Directory. The library has copies of the annual Guys Directory for many years in the late 19th Century and quite a number of years pre 1929 - this was the period I was looking at - I'm sure they have more recent as well. The directory is a mine of Cork information - I followed my g. grandfather's William Cotter career as a primary school headmaster and union secretary in it late 19th C out in Glanworth in County Cork. It also includes trade information and householder names and addresses so I was able to use it to pinpoint when my grandparents moved from one address to another in Cork City. You may find it of some use to pinpoint the owner of a house if you are looking at late 19thC or early 20C. Your husband may also possibly recognise some of the old advertisements in it e.g. for Hadji Bey's Turkish Delight. When I visited the County Library was not open on Saturday or Sunday. To get more up to date information you can e-mail them at corkcountylibrary@eircom.net Hope you have a good trip. Jill Williams ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emma Dundon" <emma.dundon@sympatico.ca> To: <IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 6:49 PM Subject: [IRL-CORK-CITY] NON GEN... Sports event Oct 19-24 > Hello everyone. We are planning a return visit to Cork City as the June holiday there was so enjoyable. > > Can you go to the county archives and the library without appointment? Is the information free? Where would I go to find out past ownership of a home? > > Also, we e will be free to go to any sporting event (not golf ) between Oct. 18th and 24th, and would dearly love to do so. Would anyone know of any events in this time frame, and is it possible to get tickets? Charles dearly loves soccer, rugby and hurling, although I realize that this might be the wrong season. > > Any advice appreciated, as always. > > Thanks. Emma Dundon > >

Hello everyone. We are planning a return visit to Cork City as the June holiday there was so enjoyable. Can you go to the county archives and the library without appointment? Is the information free? Where would I go to find out past ownership of a home? Also, we e will be free to go to any sporting event (not golf ) between Oct. 18th and 24th, and would dearly love to do so. Would anyone know of any events in this time frame, and is it possible to get tickets? Charles dearly loves soccer, rugby and hurling, although I realize that this might be the wrong season. Any advice appreciated, as always. Thanks. Emma Dundon

Hello Emma, You would need to book well in advance for the Cork Archives on the South Main St. If you wish to use a film-reader at the Cork City Library, on the Grand Parade or the Cork County Library on Farranlea Rd., you would also need to book in advance. If you wish to look up any thing else at the latter two just drop in. You will find the staff at both libraries to be most helpful. The only charge is for photo copies. Any sporting events in Cork in October should present no problem regarding tickets. Not very much hurling at this time of year. Regards, Brendan Jones. > Hello everyone. We are planning a return visit to Cork City as the June holiday there was so enjoyable.

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The Cork City map addresses are also useful to me Brendan. A lot easier than a wieldy paper map when sitting at my desk. Thankyou Sandra

Hi Debbie, Having seen Sandra's reply to you I have searched again and found the following which should give you a map of the Lough area. http://www.corkcity.ie/maps/42.html Near the North East corner of the actual Lough near Lough Rd you will see a small number seven. That is Warburton Villas. In fact where I get my car serviced is only a few yards from there. Still we learn! Brendan Jones.

Hi Debbie Kennett. Never heard of Warburton Villas but that doesn't mean it was not there. 34 Princes Street is still very much there. It is now a Restaurant. You can get an actual picture of the area if you go to http://interactive2.iol.ie/maps/content/iolmap.asp This will give you a map of Ireland. In the left hand panel there are four fields. Ignore the first one. In the second one enter 34 Princes Street. Ignore the third. The fourth is a drop- down menu from which you select Cork, then click on Get Map and you will get a map of the area. Click Zoom In and you will have an aerial picture. You can Zoom In some more but the picture gets fuzzy. These aerial views are available for the larger cities and towns. In less populated areas all you get is a map. Regards, Brendan Jones. > in Cork from > about 1914 to 1939 when he returned to England with his family. He had a > tailor's shop at 34 Princes Street, Cork. His four sons were all born at 1 > Warburton Villas, The Lough, Cork. Does anyone know anything about these two > properties? Are there any modern online maps which would show the location of > these two addresses? (I've found Princes Street on the 1886 Guy's Directory > map but can't seem to print the map out). >

Hello Debbie, I have a modern Ordnance Survey map of Cork City which shows both Princes Street and Warburton Villas. The latter now on Lough Road rather than The Lough. You should be able to order in the relevant part of the 1901 census at your local LDS Family History Centre. If you are not sure of the location of your nearest one you will be able to find it listed on the LDS website < http://www.familysearch.org> In my experience you will need the District name or number which, if you have a birth,marriage or death certificate of the time, where the event took place in the area you are seeking, the district will be identified on it. If not, maybe another more knowledgable list member will be able to tell you how to find it. This is needed to identify which part of the census you need. Good luck Sandra > My grandfather, Herbert Frederick CRUWYS, was a tailor. He lived in Cork > from > about 1914 to 1939 when he returned to England with his family. He had a > tailor's shop at 34 Princes Street, Cork. His four sons were all born at 1 > > Warburton Villas, The Lough, Cork. Does anyone know anything about these > two > properties? Are there any modern online maps which would show the location > of > these two addresses? (I've found Princes Street on the 1886 Guy's Directory > > map but can't seem to print the map out). > > My grandfather's family lived in London. How would he have travelled to > Cork > from London in about 1913? Would there be any records of his journey? > > I've also 'lost' various members of another branch of my CRUWYS family who > were living in Swansea but can't be found in the 1881 and 1901 English > censuses. I suspect they may all have moved to Cork to find work as I > believe > there were regular sailings from Swansea to Cork. Is there any way I can > check the Cork 1901 census to see if there's any trace of this family > (Thomas, William, Augustus, Isaac, James, John, Abraham and Jacob CRUWYS)? > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Best wishes > > Debbie Kennett >

Dear listers My grandfather, Herbert Frederick CRUWYS, was a tailor. He lived in Cork from about 1914 to 1939 when he returned to England with his family. He had a tailor's shop at 34 Princes Street, Cork. His four sons were all born at 1 Warburton Villas, The Lough, Cork. Does anyone know anything about these two properties? Are there any modern online maps which would show the location of these two addresses? (I've found Princes Street on the 1886 Guy's Directory map but can't seem to print the map out). My grandfather's family lived in London. How would he have travelled to Cork from London in about 1913? Would there be any records of his journey? I've also 'lost' various members of another branch of my CRUWYS family who were living in Swansea but can't be found in the 1881 and 1901 English censuses. I suspect they may all have moved to Cork to find work as I believe there were regular sailings from Swansea to Cork. Is there any way I can check the Cork 1901 census to see if there's any trace of this family (Thomas, William, Augustus, Isaac, James, John, Abraham and Jacob CRUWYS)? Any help would be much appreciated. Best wishes Debbie Kennett (nee CRUWYS) Wokingham Berkshire England

Fair Lane at one time ran in about the same place and direction from Shandon Street as today's Fair Street (assuming the latter two still exist, 1984 OS Map). Fair Lane can be seen on the map extracted from Guy's 1866 Directory at Margaret Grogan's site http://www.sci.net.au/userpages/mgrogan/cork/cork_map4.htm It's at the top left of the map just to the right of the City of Cork title. You can of course print this image off the net. Regards, Donnacha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Hirota" <deniseahirota99@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 10:20 AM Subject: [IRL-CORK-CITY] Looking for 24 Fair Lane, Cork City > Hello List! > > I am returning to the list after being gone a while. > > My Great-Grandmother, MARGARET HYDE, was born in Cork City on > Mar. 4, 1867. > Her parents were MICHAEL J. HYDE, a cooper, and HANNORAH SHEEHAN. > > MARGARET HYDE was born at her parents home on 24 Fair Lane. > > I was wondering if anyone would be able to tell me where that address might > have been, in relation to the city, and if it still exists. > Is a map available of the city of Cork at that time? On the internet? Where > could I purchase it? > > Thank you for your help, > Sincerely, > Denise

Hello List! I am returning to the list after being gone a while. My Great-Grandmother, MARGARET HYDE, was born in Cork City on Mar. 4, 1867. Her parents were MICHAEL J. HYDE, a cooper, and HANNORAH SHEEHAN. MARGARET HYDE was born at her parents home on 24 Fair Lane. I was wondering if anyone would be able to tell me where that address might have been, in relation to the city, and if it still exists. Is a map available of the city of Cork at that time? On the internet? Where could I purchase it? Thank you for your help, Sincerely, Denise _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

I was truly pleased to receive many responses to my question concerning Convents in Cork City 1800's. A sincere thank you to all who responded with advice and much appreciated url's. I've thanked every one personally but wanted to let the list know that I now have a list of information regarding convents that I could share if anyone has a need for the same information. Best regards, Emma Dundon

A big thank you to all who responded with suggestions for accommodation in Fermoy. Your kindness is very much appreciated. I learned of the Royal Hotel right in Fermoy, Castlehyde Hotel 2.5 m. outside Fermoy as well as 4 B & B that seemed reasonable. The decision will be difficult. What a great list! Thank you all. Emma Dundon Waterloo, Ontario.

researching O'Regan Cork City South. Mathew O'Regan. father to Simon born Cork. Mother Kate came to New Zealand. ______________________________ Margaret E. Carroll --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 2/08/2002

Hi Emma: Saw that you were researching the Fitzgerald name also. Do you by any chance have a William and Michael Fitzgerald ,born between 1827 and 1833 in Co. Cork , in your family tree? Parents may be William or Thomas Fitzgerald and Alice Nolan. William and Michael emigrated to the US between 1857 and 1865, settling in Wi. Carol

Hi Emma, You can contact The Mercy Sisters in Cork at srsmersp@eircom.net The Presentation Sisters in Cork at swpres@iol.ie La Retreate Sisters in Cork at bridgetdunne@eircom.net Regards, Brendan Jones. ----- Original Message ----- From: Emma Dundon <emma.dundon@sympatico.ca> To: <IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:42 PM Subject: [IRL-CORK-CITY] Convents of Cork City > > > > Greetings from Canada. > > I am trying to locate a relative who was Mother Superior at a Convent in Cork City during the years 1914-20. > > She was known as "Aunty Nun" to my husband , sadly for he does not know her birth name. However, he is certain that she was in charge of the convent during the years that he was dressed up and admonished to behave his best when visiting her at the convent. > > I know there is St.Maries of the Ile Convent but have been unable to locate any way of contacting them. > > Does anyone know if there are others? > > We will be in Cork City Oct 17 - 29 and I would like to follow up on this lead to our family genealogy . I believe the family name (of Aunty Nun) will be McDONNELL or DORGAN , but it could be FITZGERALD, DUNDON OR DALY as these are the family surnames. > > Also, would anyone be able to advise me where Sisters are buried? Would they be buried in family plots or are there special areas in graveyards for the Nuns and Priests? > > Any help will be very much appreciated. > > Best regards > Emma Dundon > Waterloo, Ontario, Canada. > > >

Greetings from Canada. I am trying to locate a relative who was Mother Superior at a Convent in Cork City during the years 1914-20. She was known as "Aunty Nun" to my husband , sadly for he does not know her birth name. However, he is certain that she was in charge of the convent during the years that he was dressed up and admonished to behave his best when visiting her at the convent. I know there is St.Maries of the Ile Convent but have been unable to locate any way of contacting them. Does anyone know if there are others? We will be in Cork City Oct 17 - 29 and I would like to follow up on this lead to our family genealogy . I believe the family name (of Aunty Nun) will be McDONNELL or DORGAN , but it could be FITZGERALD, DUNDON OR DALY as these are the family surnames. Also, would anyone be able to advise me where Sisters are buried? Would they be buried in family plots or are there special areas in graveyards for the Nuns and Priests? Any help will be very much appreciated. Best regards Emma Dundon Waterloo, Ontario, Canada.

I am looking for my GARRETT family in Ireland. I haven't had much luck. ANY help would be greatly appreciated. Hugh Garrett and Margaret Clark were the parents of James William Garrett b. Feb. 20, 1822 in County Down, Ireland and married Sarah Pettigrew. James & Sarah had my Great Grandfather Robert John Garrett b. Feb. 11, 1863 somewhere in Ireland. When Robert was about seven years old the family came to America. I haven't been able to find any more on this line of my family. Thank you in advance, Kaye Garrett McBeth

Message text written by INTERNET:IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com >I am trying to locate estate records for a farm located in the Ovens area and from which my GGGGrandfather was evicted sometime between 1775 and 1825.Does anyone know which landlord controlled the land in this area or where I could find such information?.....Jim< Jim, Not to be impolite, but is there a reason you are sending a post about a farm to the Cork CITY list? The Cork county list is much larger and also related to all of rural Cork. Elizabeth KnowltonEW@Compuserve.com