There is a fairly large 'gap' in dates of births an other logical things during the 1800's. It was only in 1752 that England adopted what the rest of the world already had done. This was the Gregorian Calendar. Pope Gregory XIII ordered that 10 days be dropped out of the calendar, thus restoring the equinox to it's accustomed date, March 21. It's a long and hard to digest, chapter in "Searching for Your Ancestors; The how and why of Genealogy". To make a long story short.............England, after all other countries had already done, finally said Ok, today is September 2, tomorrow will be September 14! (Leave it to them......) It caused riots and the like all over the UK. However, it put the equinox back in it's correct place. Therefore, many dates are 'take your pick' during that time period. From what I have read, it took a good while for EVERYONE to adopt the changes. This also included Ireland. So, for about 80 years after 1752, your best guess at someone's birth date is 'within 10 days forward or backward' from the date the paperwork states. So, don't get yourself crazy about 'exact' anything. Hope this helps someone. Deirdra ----- Original Message ----- From: <wdebmurphy@att.net> To: <IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: [IRL-CORK-CITY] Moses MURPHY and family circa 1800-1850, Cork City > There was once a fine fellow named Moses-----Moses MURPHY-----who, despite > his > biblical name, alas, went astray. > He was arrested in Cork City for larceny of lead (the metal) in 1848. (During > the famine ----- or is that not an adequate excuse?) He may have lived in > Great George's Street at the time. > After 3 years in prison, he was transported in July 1851 to Tasmania where, > after some years, he died. > The public records say that he was 40 years old when he was arrested, 3 July > 1848, which, if literally accurate, suggests a birthdate between 4 July 1807 > and 2 July 1809. (Did I get that right?) > The record of his arrival in Tasmania on 31 October 1851 say that his wife (no > name shown) had been dead for 5 years (1846?) and that his 2 children were in > the Cork Poor Union. That record listed his age as 44, which suggests a > birthdate between 3 July and 31 October 1807. (??) > However, his death record in Tasmania (4 November 1863) lists age as 60 (born > 1803?). So his birthdate seems afloat between 1803 and 1809. > As fetching as it is, Moses MURPHY seems not to be an everyday name. My > interest in this showy-named felon stems from the possibility that he's the > daddy of my great-grandfather, Richard Francis MURPHY, who, at his marriage in > London in 1862, said that his father was Moses, a carpenter, and who said in > the 1871 British Census that he (Richard) was born in Cork. Was Richard one of > the two children left in the Cork Poor Union? > I'm sure that one of you wise and knowing listers has that answer right at your > fingertips! > Bill Murphy, Southampton, New York, USA > > > >
Hello Phil, I have a modern day Ordnance Survey Street Map of Cork city and I'm pleased to say that Gillabbey Terrace is still shown. It is close to where College Road becomes Gillabbey Street and very near to St.Finbarr's Cathedral so I wonder if this is the same as St.Finbarr's Church West. I'm sorry I can't pinpoint it for you any other way but I do know that College Road is a well known road in Cork so you shouldn't have difficulty finding it. In fact if you find a copy of this map there is a street index attached and due to lack of space Gillabbey Terrace is just shown as the number 5. Have you tried putting the name of the church into a search engine such as Google? That could bring up a wealth of information about the church. Incidentally there is also a St.Finbarr's South not far away so it's important not to get them confused. Sorry I can't help with the 1911 census. Good Luck Sandra > > The marriage took place at St Finbarrs Church West in the Registrars > District no. 6. Can any body tell me if the church is still there and if so > are there any maps on the internet that will show me where the church is > located? > > At the time of the marriage she was living at 4 Gillabbey Terrace. Does > Gillabbey Terrace still exist and is there a map location for it? If it no > longer exists does anybody know where it was in Cork. > >
There was once a fine fellow named Moses-----Moses MURPHY-----who, despite his biblical name, alas, went astray. He was arrested in Cork City for larceny of lead (the metal) in 1848. (During the famine ----- or is that not an adequate excuse?) He may have lived in Great George's Street at the time. After 3 years in prison, he was transported in July 1851 to Tasmania where, after some years, he died. The public records say that he was 40 years old when he was arrested, 3 July 1848, which, if literally accurate, suggests a birthdate between 4 July 1807 and 2 July 1809. (Did I get that right?) The record of his arrival in Tasmania on 31 October 1851 say that his wife (no name shown) had been dead for 5 years (1846?) and that his 2 children were in the Cork Poor Union. That record listed his age as 44, which suggests a birthdate between 3 July and 31 October 1807. (??) However, his death record in Tasmania (4 November 1863) lists age as 60 (born 1803?). So his birthdate seems afloat between 1803 and 1809. As fetching as it is, Moses MURPHY seems not to be an everyday name. My interest in this showy-named felon stems from the possibility that he's the daddy of my great-grandfather, Richard Francis MURPHY, who, at his marriage in London in 1862, said that his father was Moses, a carpenter, and who said in the 1871 British Census that he (Richard) was born in Cork. Was Richard one of the two children left in the Cork Poor Union? I'm sure that one of you wise and knowing listers has that answer right at your fingertips! Bill Murphy, Southampton, New York, USA
Message text written by INTERNET:IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com >Hello all, Thank you all for your generous responses. I found an obituary for my Nicholas that appeared in the Cork Examiner newspaper on 28 May 1856, giving his residence as 21 Wellington Road in Cork. I quess my next best step is to locate the nearest Church of Ireland cemetery. Thanks, darryl < You might email the Cobh Church of Ireland Genealogical Project and see what they advise. mervillecobh@eircom.ie They charge for searches, and many church records are missing; but I found them very satisfactory after 15 years of trying things on my own. I think marriages and baptisms are more often recorded than the burials, but the latter do exist for some C of I churches. Thank goodness for your rare name! Elizabeth W. Knowlton
Message text written by INTERNET:IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com >Ftizgibbon in Cork< You ask about St Finbarrs but don't say religion. Don't forget to always do that since there are duplicate names often for the two (then) main religions. Also, you can use google.com in a search for the church and cyndislist.com for a search on Cork church records. Elizabeth W. Knowlton
http://www.corkcorp.ie/maps/ For maps of Cork city. To locate Gillabbey Terrace use the Streets Index. I don't know which St. Finbar's church you want but go to the Places of Interest link, they are listed there. A Google search for St. Finbarr's Church, Cork city gave many links. Give the streets index time to download, a bit slow. Even though a place may be listed in the streets index it may not show up on the map but you will get an idea of its location in the city. Can't help with the 1911 census, the LDS Family History Library website will at least let you know which 1911 census film Gillabbey Terrace is listed on. Colman Ahern, Berkeley.
Dear Listers, Yesterday I received a copy of the marriage certificate for the marriage of my parental grandparents. This is the first time that I have had any confirmed information about the background of my parental grandmother in Cork. Can any lister help me with any further information. The marriage took place at St Finbarrs Church West in the Registrars District no. 6. Can any body tell me if the church is still there and if so are there any maps on the internet that will show me where the church is located? At the time of the marriage she was living at 4 Gillabbey Terrace. Does Gillabbey Terrace still exist and is there a map location for it? If it no longer exists does anybody know where it was in Cork. Her father was a James Fitzgibbon who was dead at the time of the marriage in 1912 but whose occupation was listed as that of a printer. As I have no further information about the family can anyone do a lookup of the 1911 Census for 4 Gillabbey Terrace to see who was living there. Very grateful for any information that any lister can provide no matter how trivial. Regards, Phil Cullen
Hello all, Thank you all for your generous responses. I found an obituary for my Nicholas that appeared in the Cork Examiner newspaper on 28 May 1856, giving his residence as 21 Wellington Road in Cork. I quess my next best step is to locate the nearest Church of Ireland cemetery. Thanks, darryl
Message text written by INTERNET:IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com >Hello List, My relative Nicholas Leslie died in Cork City in 1856. I figure there are two ways I may find out more about him. He may have appeared in the Valuation records of 1850 for Cork City. Would someone have access to the Valuation and can someone suggest how I go about looking for a possible gravestone inscription. He was Church of Ireland. Thank you, darryl davey< Darryl, You can also check out city directories for his time period and see what he did and where he was living. Use cyndislist.com to see what is on line; rent others from LDS. Elizabeth W. Knowlton
Hello List, My relative Nicholas Leslie died in Cork City in 1856. I figure there are two ways I may find out more about him. He may have appeared in the Valuation records of 1850 for Cork City. Would someone have access to the Valuation and can someone suggest how I go about looking for a possible gravestone inscription. He was Church of Ireland. Thank you, darryl davey
Hello all from Mitcham, Just wondering if anyone can assist with any information on John Carey earthenware and glass manufacturer who I believe died in Cork in 1828. Factories believed to have been in Carey's Lane and French Church street. Any information most heartily accepted. Regards Russell ===== John Carey || John Carey....Thomas Carey Manufacturers of Earthenware China and Glass Staffordshire and Cork http://mobile.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Mobile - Check & compose your email via SMS on your Telstra or Vodafone mobile.
Ireatlas shows Brooklodge as a town and townland in the civil parish of Ballydeloher, a bit north of the town of Glanmire, so in the area of Glanmire. http://www.seanruad.com/ it should be on either map 80, 81, or 87, in the OS series available from this company, perhaps another lister will know exactly which one? http://www.usamaps.net/carto/inter/ireland3.html these maps don't cost to much and look nice on the wall anyway! IreAtlas also lists a townaland of the same name in the parish of Youghal, it would be on OS map 81. Colman Ahern, Berkeley.
I am puzzled by the procedure for Marriage Articles in 19th century Cork. I have just found the Marriage Articles for my 3x great grandparents Robert Geo Stevelly and his bride Ann Hodder of Fountainstown dated 1814. (A great thrill and the result of many years searching amongst the films of the Registry of Deeds). I was somewhat surprised to find that it was the groom's father George Stevelly who was providing property for the marriage portion. This was a large property (Rochelle at Blackrock, Cork, until recently a boarding school and until recently still owned by my family). The property was put into a trust with the trustees being Ann's brother George Hodder of Fountainstown and the groom's brother Rev Edmond Stevelly. Until now I had always thought the marriage portion was provided by the bride's family. And what was the point of the trust and at what stage, if at all, would the property have past to the bride and groom? There was also a 'jointure" of £100 provided by the groom's father for the benefit of the bride, should she survive her husband. In the event the groom far outlived the bride and passed the property of Rochelle intact on to his heirs. I will reproduce the legalese below and hope someone can help me understand what is happening. Also does anyone know the locality of Fonthill? Regards, Kae Lewis LDS Film #0545073 Registry of Deeds Vol 675 1814 No 464817 Stevelly Marriage Settlement A Memorial to an Indentured Deed of Marriage Settlement bearing date the 20th day of May 1814 made between Geo Stevelly of Forthill in the South Liberties of the City of Cork Esq of the first part, Robert George Stevelly of Forthill aforesaid Esq, eldest son of the said George of the 2nd part, Ann Hodder of the City of Cork Spinster, one of the daughters of George Hodder late of Fountainstown in the Co of Cork Esq deceased of the 3rd part, and Edmond Stevelly of Fonthill, brother of the said Robt Geo Stevelly and George Hodder of Fountainstown aforesaid Esq, brother of said Ann Hodder of the 4th part whereby in consideration of the Marriage intended later had and solemnized between said Robt Geo Stevelly and Ann Hodder and of the marriage portion of said Ann and for other considerations therein mentioned, the said Geo Stevelly did assign and make over unto said Edmd Stevelly and Geo Hodder parties thereto all that and those the Dwelling house and houses gardens and Lands of Rochelle in possession of Samuel Chamley (there follows a description of the boundaries of the property). To hold unto the said Edmond Stevelly and Geo Hodder from date of said deed for the residue of the term of years for which said premises are held upon Trust to secure to said Ann a jointure of £100 in case she should survive said Robt Geo Stevelly. Deed was witnessed by Michael Busteed of the City of Cork Alderman and Nicholas Vincent of the said City. Dated City of Cork 21 May 1814.
Brook Lodge, Glanmire, Co Cork: A 2 story Georgian house with a front of 1 bay on either side of a curved central bow. Curved end bow. In the present century, the seat of the Berry family. From A Guide to Irish Country Houses by Mark Bense-Jones > From: "and1stp" <and1stp@wi.rr.com> > Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:57 PM > To: IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-CORK-CITY] Searching for Brooklodge, County Cork,Ireland > > Hi Emma and Fellow Irish Men and Woman, > > I'm looking for a map and or location of Brooklodge, County Cork, Ireland. I > know its general location but was hoping for something more specific. > > Thanks, > John from Wis. USA >
Hi Emma and Fellow Irish Men and Woman, I'm looking for a map and or location of Brooklodge, County Cork, Ireland. I know its general location but was hoping for something more specific. Thanks, John from Wis. USA
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does anyone know if there are transcripts of St.Finbarrs Cematry ? thanks anne-marie x __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
Hello. Is this the e-mail address of Sacred Heart Catholic Parrish on Western Road in Cork City, Co Cork, Ire? I have a cousin, Father Alyn Brown( about 80 plus years old) who is a priest there and am trying to contact him. Thank you, John McMenamin, Napa, California, USA. ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!