My step grandmother Louise was a grand daughter of Stephen Cave, a corn merchant of Cork City in 1800's. Stephen is said to have married a daughter of Daniel Meagher, Harriet ? Stephen is known to have had 6 sons. William, Henry, Joshua, Albert, John, Charles. Thought to be born in that order. William was born 1846. He went to sea and that was his career throughout life. William married in the district of Liverpool, Eng. Louise was his daughter. Other D's were Clara, who went to Canada, Letty and Sarah. Sarah possibly married. Henry at No.2. Two of his sons entered the Church of Ireland ministry in Dublin. Arthur Meagher Cave and Henry Charles Cave. Of the other 4 sons of Stephen nothing is known except that a "Charles Cave" was a witness at the marriage of William in 1872. Does anyone have any knowledge of this family or come across any reference to Stephen Cave or Daniel Meagher or connections to them. There is a death for a Stephen in 1903. He apparently married prior to 1845 with all sons being born before civil registration. Stephen has been found as owning... "Roseville" on Old Youghal Rd., and later "Lake View" or part of, also stables in Warrens Place. Is there anyone who could do "look ups" in Cork papers as I do have a few dates of events, the dates I understand are correct. There are no Cork papers held at any State Libraries or National Lib'y in Australia. Barbara Roberts

Try the Cork City Library for newspaper lookups, you have to give them dates and some specific information as to what you are looking for, I have found them very helpful, email Mr. Kieran Burke in the Local Studies Department, the email address is on the below website, if a particular newspaper is not in their collection the Cork County Library might have it: http://www.corkcorp.ie/facilities/facilities_library.html http://www.iol.ie/~libcounce/corkcounty.htm Colman Ahern, Berkeley.

UK National Archives have put a new project 'Moving Here' online. "It includes 150,000 images and digitised documents charting the stories of Britain's four main immigrant communities: the Irish, central European Jews, south Asian immigrants and those from the Caribbean." (BBC Report) http://www.movinghere.org.uk/ See e.g., *An account of poor persons passed from the port of Liverpool to Ireland One of a series of 65 volumes which give details of Irish being shipped back from Liverpool in the years 1801 to 1835. This volume alone, which covers the period October 1834 to April 1835, records the shipping of 364 named individuals and their dependants, together totalling 769 men, women and children. The series is evidence of the high number of Irish migrating to England even before the impact of the Potato Famine. It reflects the number who were forced to return to Ireland due to destitution often brought on by the death of a husband, as can be seen from the relatively small number of husband+wife+children groups recorded.* It's new, so expect it to be busy for a while. Regards, Donnacha

The return sheet states that this house is an asylum for old and infirm women, maintained on charitable donations 28, Anglesea St - Asylum Catherine Saunders - Head of Household - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 73 ; F ; Housekeeper ; Widow ; Born: Cork City Anne Buckley - Servant - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 28 ; F ; General Servant, Domestic ; Not Married ; Born: Cork City Ellen Murphy - Boarder - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 60 ; F ; No occupation ; Widow ; Born: Cork City Ellen Mulcahy - Boarder - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 62 ; F ; No occupation ; Widow ; Born: Cork City Sarah Sheil - Boarder - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 69 ; F ; No occupation ; Widow ; Born: Cork City Alice Russel - Boarder - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 60 ; F ; No occupation ; Not married ; Born: Cork City Mareen (sic) Mason - Boarder - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 68 ; F ; No occupation ; Widow ; Born: Cork City Elizabeth ?Jinan - Boarder - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 70 ; F ; No occupation ; Widow ; Born: Cork City Hannah Jackson - Boarder - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 60 ; F ; No occupation ; Widow ; Born: Cork City Catherine Colbert - Boarder - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 65 ; F ; No occupation ; Widow ; Born: Co. Cork Mary O'Driscoll - Boarder - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 52 ; F ; No occupation ; Widow ; Born: Cork City Anne H. Hear (sic) - Boarder - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 60 ; F ; No occupation ; Widow ; Born: Cork City Sarah Berry - Boarder - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 63 ; F ; No occupation ; Widow ; Born: Co. Cork Anne K. Gillespie - Boarder - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 62 ; F ; No occupation ; Widow ; Born: Cork City Hannah Murphy - Boarder - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 72 ; F ; No occupation ; Widow ; Born: Cork City Margaret Skeddy or ?Skiddy - Boarder - Roman Catholic; Can read & write ; Aged 51 ; F ; No occupation ; Widow ; Born: Cork City

Message text written by INTERNET:IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com >From: "Cynthia & Ray" <cynray@paradise.net.nz> To: IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <GHECKFHCKICABKKGPACJMEJECBAA.cynray@paradise.net.nz> Subject: [IRL-CORK-CITY] Cronin-Capel /Kepple Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello I am new to the list. My great, great, grandfather Daniel CRONIN’S death certificate gives his place of birth as Cork. He was born in 1820. In 1844 he married Mary CAPEL / KEPPLE ( death certificate also gives Cork as place of her birth) at ST.Francis R. C. Church in Melbourne Australia. They had 6 children and came to New Zealand about 1870. This is all I have on them and hope someone can help. They don’t appear on any convict list, and I can’t find them as assisted Immigrants. If anyone can help with advise on both Daniel and Mary I will be most grateful. Ray Nelson < Ray, you don't say that they were from the city of Cork. This list is for the city only, so don't limit yourself too much. There was lots of Co. Cork outside the city. Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Hello I am new to the list. My great, great, grandfather Daniel CRONIN’S death certificate gives his place of birth as Cork. He was born in 1820. In 1844 he married Mary CAPEL / KEPPLE ( death certificate also gives Cork as place of her birth) at ST.Francis R. C. Church in Melbourne Australia. They had 6 children and came to New Zealand about 1870. This is all I have on them and hope someone can help. They don’t appear on any convict list, and I can’t find them as assisted Immigrants. If anyone can help with advise on both Daniel and Mary I will be most grateful. Ray Nelson

If you write to Frank Whelan Sacristan SS peter's & Paul's Paul St. Cork He will look up the records - avery helpful gentleman. The basic records have been computerised but info such as Godparents etc will have to be looked up manually. I'm not sure how far back the records go but I seem to remember a few from 1780 or thereabouts. Be sure to indicate all the info you require or he may just send you the basic entry. Enclose a small donation for the church Therese ----- Original Message ----- From: <PattyVWH@aol.com> To: <IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: [IRL-CORK-CITY] Re: IRL-CORK-CITY-D Digest V03 #46 > My ancestor, Cornelius F. Heffernan (1830-1871), married Eliza Leahy (1827-1869) on 4 March 1851 at Church of SS Peter & Paul (RC) in Cork City. Would anyone know anything about accessing the records of this church? I realize the church that was standing in 1851 no longer exsists and has been replaced by a new building (in 1878, I believe). Where would the older records be? Is there a cemetery near this churchyard? > > Thanks for any help, > > Patricia Heffernan > Atlanta,Georgia, USA >

My ancestor, Cornelius F. Heffernan (1830-1871), married Eliza Leahy (1827-1869) on 4 March 1851 at Church of SS Peter & Paul (RC) in Cork City. Would anyone know anything about accessing the records of this church? I realize the church that was standing in 1851 no longer exsists and has been replaced by a new building (in 1878, I believe). Where would the older records be? Is there a cemetery near this churchyard? Thanks for any help, Patricia Heffernan Atlanta,Georgia, USA

Hello All I'm new to the list & I need some help please. My G'GFather James JAMIESON came from Cork according to his army records. The place of birth stated as... "Born in the parish of Emelica in or near the town of Cork in the county Cork ......". I have tried unsuccesfully to find "Emelica" and would really appreciate any help I can get to try and work this out. Being unfamilar with the area I can't begin to even try to to guess at what this could be. Also if there is anyone interested in tthe surname JAMESON/JAMIESON from Cork I would love to hear from them. Thanks Lauren Horne Sydney Australia

I am looking for any information about Owen and Ellen Bagley who came to the U.S. from County Cork between 1850 and 1856. They were in the 1860 Massachusetts census. Owen Bagley found in: Census Microfilm Records: Massachusetts, 1860 Age: 40 Gender: M Race: W Birthplace: IREL State: Massachusetts County: MIDDLESEX Locale: 3-WD CAMBRIDGE Owen Bagley, age 40 (could be 40 but it looked like 46 to me), Laborer, Ireland Ellen (I think it is Trum but it is hard to read), age 46, Ireland Daniel, 22, stonecutter, Ireland Andrew, 21, stonecutter, Ireland Owen, 16, glass maker, Ireland John, 12, Ireland, attending school Margaret, 15, Ireland Julia, 10, Ireland, attending school Patrick, 4, Massachusetts I am also still looking for any information on a Michael O'Connell (son of Martin O'Connell and Mary Cahill of Castlelyons, County Cork). Michael was said to be a teacher in County Cork before coming to the U.S. in the early 1860's. He met Margaret Bagley in Massachusetts before 1864 and married her in San Francisco in 1864 at St. Patrick's Cathedral and the majority of the family members are buried at Holy Cross Cemetery near San Francisco. Does anyone have any information about either of these families? Does anyone know what schools were around in 1860 that Michael where Michael may have been a teacher? I am really stuck trying to find the County Cork information. Thanks. Nancy Loder

Hello list, Does anyone out there know if the gravestone inscriptions for the above were recorded anywhere. Thanks, darryl davey

For Cork city PLU or workhouse records try the Cork Archives Institute or the cork city library. http://www.corkcity.ie/facilities_archive.html http://nationalarchives.ie/sglrpb.html http://www.sci.net.au/userpages/mgrogan/cork/orphanage.htm I'd start by emailing the Cork City Library, there is a link on the first website above. Colman Ahern, Berkeley.

In a message dated 6/11/2003 12:01:39 AM Eastern Standard Time, IRL-CORK-CITY-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > St.Finbarr South, on Dunbar St. is on the south side of the city. Their > records are very well indexed. Joe O'Reilly attends the records and is > present at the church on Tues. from 1030 to 1230 and Sat. 1030 to 1. He is > very helpful and knowledgeable. His address is oreillydj@eircom.net He > will respond to specific requests but obviously can't do extensive searches. I met Mr. O'Reilly at the September 1999 meeting of the Cork Genealogical Society. Since then I have had need of his services on a few occasions. I have always found him to be very knowledgeable, prompt in his responses, and helpful. Please don't forget to send a donation to the Church. While Mr. O'Reilly does his services for free, the Church still has to buy and maintain the computer, printer, e-mail services, etc. Dan Murphy: Boston

Hi, I have a question to which someone, hopefully, will be able to provide an explanation. My gggf was named Callahan OConnell. He was named after an uncle. They came to Cambridge Ma in the mid 1800's from Mallow, Cork area via Portland, Maine. They are buried in Arlington, Ma nearby. I recently located another person of the same name buried in Holyoke, Ma who came from Ireland in 1898. Both of these men have family members named Daniel, Jeremiah and William H. on the census records for these towns. It would appear that they are related due to the similarities of the family names but particularly the name Callahan OConnell which seems to be quite unique. Am I correct or is Callahan used as a first name in Ireland, like Kelly or Ryan are? Take care, Ed Callahan

Take a look at this website and note that the present day Cathedral of St Finbarrs was consecrated in 1879. There were churches of the same name on the site since the 7th century. It is Church of Ireland. http://cathedral.cork.anglican.org/history/history.html http://cathedral.cork.anglican.org/ Map of the cathedral location include Gillabbey Street: http://cathedral.cork.anglican.org/findus/findus.html Kae Lewis > > I have a modern day Ordnance Survey Street Map of Cork city and I'm pleased > to say that Gillabbey Terrace is still shown. It is close to where College > Road becomes Gillabbey Street and very near to St.Finbarr's Cathedral so I > wonder > if this is the same as St.Finbarr's Church West. I'm sorry I can't pinpoint > it for you any other way but I do know that College Road is a well known road > in Cork so you shouldn't have difficulty finding it. In fact if you find a > copy of this map there is a street index attached and due to lack of space > Gillabbey Terrace is just shown as the number 5. Have you tried putting the > name of > the church into a search engine such as Google? That could bring up a wealth > of information about the church. Incidentally there is also a St.Finbarr's > South not far away so it's important not to get them confused. > > Sorry I can't help with the 1911 census. > > Good Luck > Sandra > > >> >> The marriage took place at St Finbarrs Church West in the Registrars >> District no. 6. Can any body tell me if the church is still there and if so >> are there any maps on the internet that will show me where the church is >> located? >> >> At the time of the marriage she was living at 4 Gillabbey Terrace. Does >> Gillabbey Terrace still exist and is there a map location for it? If it no >> longer exists does anybody know where it was in Cork. >> >> > > ______________________________ > From: D-Sullivan <D-SULLIVAN@comcast.net> > Date: Monday, June 9, 2003 9:48 AM > To: IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-CORK-CITY] Ftizgibbon in Cork > > St. Finbarr's West is actually, Immaculate Conception, aka, the Lough (Lock) > Chapel. > > It is still in service; I have been there. My father's family was baptized > and married there. > > The 'Middle Parish' is St. Peter & Paul's. > > The 'South Parish' is St. Finbarr's, Dunbar St. > > The 'North Parish/North Cathedral' is The Cathedral of St. Mary & St. Anne. > > There are also a number of small, old churches and, many new ones. > > > Hope this helps. > > D >

I'll get into this discussion late. I've just returned from several weeks in Cork City and I agree with the assessments given for the various St.Finbarr Churches. St.Finbarr South, on Dunbar St. is on the south side of the city. Their records are very well indexed. Joe O'Reilly attends the records and is present at the church on Tues from 1030 to 1230 and Sat. 1030 to 1. He is very helpful and knowledgeable. His address is oreillydj@eircom.net He will respond to specific requests but obviously can't do extensive searches. Also, may I add that St.Patricks Church has well indexed records and again the person there is very helpful and pleasant. I'm afraid I've forgotten his name. St. Patricks is off McCurtain St. which runs from Patrick St. just before 'the' Patrick hill. Unfortunately I believe their records are only from mid to late 1800's. However, I found relatives I knew nothing of living at a known address of an earlier ancestor, as obviously they inherited the home. I found the courthouse to be particularly helpful. The courthouse on Camden Quay (left, just over Patrick Church Bridge when going towards Patrick Church Hill) was a gold mine for me. The staff are helpful and for $2 Euro I got to check 150 + years of indexes for wills. I found several of my amily -- the information there is very valuable as it lists address, occupation, parish, next of kin, age etc. A very worth while few hours of research. And lastly, the cemeteries should be checked. If you have a date of death for an ancestor, the attendant will check his records and tell you where they are buried, and where their home parish was. Once the plot is found you will likely find other family plots close by as was the case for our family at the old St. Joseph's cemetery, and St. Finbarr's cemetery. At St. Joseph's I was able to find family that took me back 2 further generations than I had previously. Best wishes. Emma Dundon Waterloo, Ontario,Canada.

I should have marked this as forwarded from Deirdra; Admin snafu. Regards, Donnacha ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Grant" <denis.grant@sympatico.ca> To: <IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:44 AM Subject: [IRL-CORK-CITY] Moses MURPHY and family circa 1800-1850, Cork City > > There is a fairly large 'gap' in dates of births an other logical things > during the 1800's. > > It was only in 1752 that England adopted what the rest of the world already > had done. > > This was the Gregorian Calendar. Pope Gregory XIII ordered that 10 days be > dropped out of > the calendar, thus restoring the equinox to it's accustomed date, March 21. > > It's a long and hard to digest, chapter in "Searching for Your Ancestors; > The how and why of > Genealogy". > > To make a long story short.............England, after all other countries > had already done, finally said > Ok, today is September 2, tomorrow will be September 14! (Leave it to > them......) > It caused riots and the like all over the UK. However, it put the equinox > back in it's correct > place. > > Therefore, many dates are 'take your pick' during that time period. From > what I have read, it took > a good while for EVERYONE to adopt the changes. This also included > Ireland. > So, for about 80 years after > 1752, your best guess at someone's birth date is 'within 10 days forward or > backward' from the date the > paperwork states. So, don't get yourself crazy about 'exact' anything. > > Hope this helps someone. > > Deirdra > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <wdebmurphy@att.net> > To: <IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:53 PM > Subject: [IRL-CORK-CITY] Moses MURPHY and family circa 1800-1850, Cork City > > > > There was once a fine fellow named Moses-----Moses MURPHY-----who, > despite > > his > > biblical name, alas, went astray. > > He was arrested in Cork City for larceny of lead (the metal) in 1848. > (During > > the famine ----- or is that not an adequate excuse?) He may have lived > in > > Great George's Street at the time. > > After 3 years in prison, he was transported in July 1851 to Tasmania > where, > > after some years, he died. > > The public records say that he was 40 years old when he was arrested, 3 > July > > 1848, which, if literally accurate, suggests a birthdate between 4 July > 1807 > > and 2 July 1809. (Did I get that right?) > > The record of his arrival in Tasmania on 31 October 1851 say that his > wife > (no > > name shown) had been dead for 5 years (1846?) and that his 2 children > were > in > > the Cork Poor Union. That record listed his age as 44, which suggests a > > birthdate between 3 July and 31 October 1807. (??) > > However, his death record in Tasmania (4 November 1863) lists age as 60 > (born > > 1803?). So his birthdate seems afloat between 1803 and 1809. > > As fetching as it is, Moses MURPHY seems not to be an everyday name. My > > interest in this showy-named felon stems from the possibility that he's > the > > daddy of my great-grandfather, Richard Francis MURPHY, who, at his > marriage in > > London in 1862, said that his father was Moses, a carpenter, and who said > in > > the 1871 British Census that he (Richard) was born in Cork. Was Richard > one of > > the two children left in the Cork Poor Union? > > I'm sure that one of you wise and knowing listers has that answer right > at > your > > fingertips! > > Bill Murphy, Southampton, New York, USA > > > > > > > > > >

The 'FIRST' St. Finbarr's church (Cathedral) was Church of Ireland. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <KnowltonEW@compuserve.com> To: <IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: [IRL-CORK-CITY] Nicholas Leslie > Message text written by INTERNET:IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com > >Hello all, Thank you all for your generous responses. I found an obituary > for my Nicholas that appeared in the Cork Examiner newspaper on 28 May > 1856, giving his residence as 21 Wellington Road in Cork. > I quess my next best step is to locate the nearest Church of Ireland > cemetery. > Thanks, darryl < > > You might email the Cobh Church of Ireland Genealogical Project > and see what they advise. > > mervillecobh@eircom.ie > > They charge for searches, and many church records are missing; > but I found them very satisfactory after 15 years of trying things on > my own. I think marriages and baptisms are more often recorded > than the burials, but the latter do exist for some C of I churches. > > Thank goodness for your rare name! > > Elizabeth W. Knowlton

Hello all, I am finally able to add something to this list - after a very long time away. St. Finbarr's West is 'Catholic'. The church is actually named, "Church of the Immaculate Conception" St. Finbarr's West, Diocese of Cork. In years past it was known as 'the Lough Chapel'. It is still alive and well, and, only about 1/2 - 1 mile from St. Finbarr's on Dunbar Street. The Catholic Churches in Cork are, as far as memory serves, known as: The North Cathedral - St. Mary's Cathedral The Middle Parish - Sts Peter & Paul's The South Chapel - St. Finbarr's The Lough Chapel - Immaculate Conception, the Lough There are other churches that are not as well known; two are St. Nicholas, St. Patrick's. There is also one in Blackrock. I hope this helps someone. Deirdra ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth W. Knowlton" <KnowltonEW@compuserve.com> To: <IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:17 PM Subject: [IRL-CORK-CITY] Ftizgibbon in Cork > Message text written by INTERNET:IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com > >Ftizgibbon in Cork< > > You ask about St Finbarrs but don't say religion. Don't > forget to always do that since there are duplicate > names often for the two (then) main religions. > > Also, you can use google.com in a search for the church > > and cyndislist.com for a search on Cork church records. > > Elizabeth W. Knowlton

St. Finbarr's West is actually, Immaculate Conception, aka, the Lough (Lock) Chapel. It is still in service; I have been there. My father's family was baptized and married there. The 'Middle Parish' is St. Peter & Paul's. The 'South Parish' is St. Finbarr's, Dunbar St. The 'North Parish/North Cathedral' is The Cathedral of St. Mary & St. Anne. There are also a number of small, old churches and, many new ones. Hope this helps. D ----- Original Message ----- From: <Sandramartin6217@aol.com> To: <IRL-CORK-CITY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 9:36 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-CORK-CITY] Ftizgibbon in Cork > > Hello Phil, > > I have a modern day Ordnance Survey Street Map of Cork city and I'm pleased > to say that Gillabbey Terrace is still shown. It is close to where College > Road becomes Gillabbey Street and very near to St.Finbarr's Cathedral so I wonder > if this is the same as St.Finbarr's Church West. I'm sorry I can't pinpoint > it for you any other way but I do know that College Road is a well known road > in Cork so you shouldn't have difficulty finding it. In fact if you find a > copy of this map there is a street index attached and due to lack of space > Gillabbey Terrace is just shown as the number 5. Have you tried putting the name of > the church into a search engine such as Google? That could bring up a wealth > of information about the church. Incidentally there is also a St.Finbarr's > South not far away so it's important not to get them confused. > > Sorry I can't help with the 1911 census. > > Good Luck > Sandra > > > > > > The marriage took place at St Finbarrs Church West in the Registrars > > District no. 6. Can any body tell me if the church is still there and if so > > are there any maps on the internet that will show me where the church is > > located? > > > > At the time of the marriage she was living at 4 Gillabbey Terrace. Does > > Gillabbey Terrace still exist and is there a map location for it? If it no > > longer exists does anybody know where it was in Cork. > > > > > > > >