Hi, I know this is a shot in the dark but thought that I would give it a try since there has been quite a bit of traffic on this list. My wife's grand mother, Ada Murray b:abt 1890 Risca Monmourhshire, is the daughter of John Murry/Murray and Elizabeth Williams Mansell. John and Elizabeth married 5 Sep 1881 in Pontymister, Monmouthshire. His age on the Marriage Certificate is 22 which means he was most likely born about 1859/60. His father's name on the certificate is John Murry a Collier. His father is not shown as deceased but the following is the only John Murry that I can find where the place of birth is Risca, Mon. I found a John Murray in the 1881 census who is a boarder in the Ann Collins household. Ann is a 62 year old widow born in Rascarcevy, Ireland. Someone told me it was probably Rosscarbery a costal town in County Cork. In the 1871 census John is shown as a Ward age 10 in the Ann Collins household in Risca, Mon. Ann's age is shown as a 52 year old Widow born in Rascarcevy Co. Cork, Ireland. In the 1861 census I found John along with his mother Mary Murry, a 30 year old widow born in Cork, Ireland, and twin sister Elizabeth, age 10 months born Risca, boarding in the Richard McGuire household in Risca, Mon. Richard and the adult boarders were born Cork, Ireland. Ada's siblings names were Mary A., Elizabeth Jane, Phillip Hy, Ivor John, Wilfred Edward, Hetty Ethel, Elsie May and Lily Tryphena. Anyone have any ideas how I can make the connection from Wales to Ireland? Thanks Bruce Heath, Ohio