Thanks again. Jack. will send papers to you off list. Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Crowley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 4:03 AM Subject: RE: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty > Hi Heather > (O) Sullivan is a very common name in Cork. There may be a connection but > there may not. > > It is unlikely in my mind that the priest was a relative as in most cases > people got whoever was serving there. See the list of O'Sullivan priests > who > served in the Cathedral. > > O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Canon William James PP > Date of Ordination: 1831 > Last Known Appointment: Blackrock > > > O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Canon Michael Adm > Date of Ordination: 24/1/1892 > Last Known Appointment: Cathedral > > > O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Patrick (Paddy) PP > Date of Ordination: 20/6/1937 > Last Known Appointment: Crosshaven > > > O'Sullivan, Rev. Richard J. > Date of Ordination: 21/12/1897 > Last Known Appointment: Cathedral > > > O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Michael PP VG > Date of Ordination: 06/1833 > > Unfortunately the dates they served there are not given. > Would it be possible for you to send me the papers you quote? I may be > able > glean something from them. > > My own grandmother was O'Sullivan > Her father was baptized Sullivan but died as O'Sullivan. People were very > casual about the use of the O. it is often dropped in casual speech but > people are very conscious of using it when writing. The use of O and > Mc/Mac > increased greatly from the mid 1800's onwards as people became better > educated and more nationalistic in outlook. It is very common to find O > used > in some places and not in other places in reference to the same > individual. > There are common slurs about "taking the soup" etc. that should be > completely ignored. > > I will see if I can photograph the front of the house. I doubt if I could > get one of the back garden. I will see hat I can get from other maps. > > Jack > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Heather H > Sent: 22 February 2009 18:49 > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty > > Hi Jack, > Thank You so much for the interesting information/description on the home > in question. It gives one a mental picture of the surrounds. Sounds like > it > may not still be there though whenever I get back to Cork. Is there any > wonderful person who lives nearby that could take a photo of the home, (#2 > Jamesville, Ballintemple) and if possible, the back gardens, and scan it > to me off list?? I would be VERY grateful for same. > > Next, very interesting re the name O Sullivan. When I look again at the > four > > declaration of passages of Anne (Doherty) Horgan and her three children, I > see one of them lists the aunt as M O`Sullivan, the others missing the O > in > front. I guess the recorders were like the census takers. Not always > consistent or accurate. Also, the M on two may be Mrs. Very hard to > decipher > > the writing. On looking again at Anne Doherty and John Horgans marriage > certificate, m 1914 at Cathedral of Cork, the person/preist who married > them > > was a M O SULLIVAN and one of the witnesses was DANIEL O SULLIVAN! Maybe > there is a connection to O Sullivans that I have not yet uncovered... > > RE the 1911 census, it will be interesting if the OSullivan s lived at > that > address then. John Horgan lived at Popes Quay address then and Anne > Doherty > on Domenick St. in 1911. > Again, thank you very much Jack! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Crowley" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:53 AM > Subject: RE: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty > > >> Hi >> I live a mile or so from Ballintemple >> A man who has lived most of his life in the area identified Jamesville as >> being 3 cottages in a terraced row. They are set back a few feet from the >> other houses on the side of the street. >> This is a former country village now incorporated into the Cork City >> conurbation. Very few of these houses have a front garden. For the most >> part >> the front door opens on the street. >> These houses have long back gardens. The soil is rich and fertile. Market >> gardening was important. They supplied the city markets with produce in >> season. >> >> I think the 3 houses are now unoccupied. There was a planning application >> to >> knock the houses and build townhouses on the site using the extensive >> gardens. >> >> There was an (O) Sullivan family there up to recently. A family named >> Mintern lived no.3. McCarthy's lived beyond them. >> >> Jamesville is directly west of the AIB, Ballintemple. It is opposite >> Ardfoyle Avenue (formerly Abel's Lane) >> >> I will keep asking >> >> The 1911 census for Cork will be available on the National Archives site >> soon. I think it will be done in this year. There is a very good chance >> that >> you will be able to find your people there. There was very little >> mobility >> in those days. Families stayed put. Furthermore very many of those living >> in >> the locality and in surrounding areas were/are related to one another. >> You >> can be certain you have living relatives nearby. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Heather H >> Sent: 12 February 2009 16:35 >> To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; >> [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty >> >> Searching for any info on Mrs. M. Sullivan who lived at 2 Jamesville, >> Ballintemple, Cork in 1924. >> I have just uncovered my Grandmothers "Declaration of Passage" record to >> Canada- 1924. Her name was Anne (Doherty) Horgan and one of the questions >> on >> the paperwork was, name of nearest relative and address of that person in >> country you are leaving. "Mrs. Sullivan" was listed as her Aunt. at above >> address. Anne Horgan and her family had also lived at that address from >> about 1914-1924, when she left for Canada. I am assuming that Mrs >> Sullivan >> may have been perhaps sister to Anne`s Mother, Ellen Flynn or sister of >> her >> Father, Joseph Doherty, although I have learned one should never assume >> anything. >> Does anyone have suggestions of how I could find out more on M Sullivan >> through that address? Unfortunately, this won`t be covered by census >> years. >> Thanks for any advice >> Heather Horgan >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >