Hi I live a mile or so from Ballintemple A man who has lived most of his life in the area identified Jamesville as being 3 cottages in a terraced row. They are set back a few feet from the other houses on the side of the street. This is a former country village now incorporated into the Cork City conurbation. Very few of these houses have a front garden. For the most part the front door opens on the street. These houses have long back gardens. The soil is rich and fertile. Market gardening was important. They supplied the city markets with produce in season. I think the 3 houses are now unoccupied. There was a planning application to knock the houses and build townhouses on the site using the extensive gardens. There was an (O) Sullivan family there up to recently. A family named Mintern lived no.3. McCarthy's lived beyond them. Jamesville is directly west of the AIB, Ballintemple. It is opposite Ardfoyle Avenue (formerly Abel's Lane) I will keep asking The 1911 census for Cork will be available on the National Archives site soon. I think it will be done in this year. There is a very good chance that you will be able to find your people there. There was very little mobility in those days. Families stayed put. Furthermore very many of those living in the locality and in surrounding areas were/are related to one another. You can be certain you have living relatives nearby. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Heather H Sent: 12 February 2009 16:35 To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty Searching for any info on Mrs. M. Sullivan who lived at 2 Jamesville, Ballintemple, Cork in 1924. I have just uncovered my Grandmothers "Declaration of Passage" record to Canada- 1924. Her name was Anne (Doherty) Horgan and one of the questions on the paperwork was, name of nearest relative and address of that person in country you are leaving. "Mrs. Sullivan" was listed as her Aunt. at above address. Anne Horgan and her family had also lived at that address from about 1914-1924, when she left for Canada. I am assuming that Mrs Sullivan may have been perhaps sister to Anne`s Mother, Ellen Flynn or sister of her Father, Joseph Doherty, although I have learned one should never assume anything. Does anyone have suggestions of how I could find out more on M Sullivan through that address? Unfortunately, this won`t be covered by census years. Thanks for any advice Heather Horgan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jack, Thank You so much for the interesting information/description on the home in question. It gives one a mental picture of the surrounds. Sounds like it may not still be there though whenever I get back to Cork. Is there any wonderful person who lives nearby that could take a photo of the home, (#2 Jamesville, Ballintemple) and if possible, the back gardens, and scan it to me off list?? I would be VERY grateful for same. Next, very interesting re the name O Sullivan. When I look again at the four declaration of passages of Anne (Doherty) Horgan and her three children, I see one of them lists the aunt as M O`Sullivan, the others missing the O in front. I guess the recorders were like the census takers. Not always consistent or accurate. Also, the M on two may be Mrs. Very hard to decipher the writing. On looking again at Anne Doherty and John Horgans marriage certificate, m 1914 at Cathedral of Cork, the person/preist who married them was a M O SULLIVAN and one of the witnesses was DANIEL O SULLIVAN! Maybe there is a connection to O Sullivans that I have not yet uncovered... RE the 1911 census, it will be interesting if the OSullivan s lived at that address then. John Horgan lived at Popes Quay address then and Anne Doherty on Domenick St. in 1911. Again, thank you very much Jack! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Crowley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:53 AM Subject: RE: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty > Hi > I live a mile or so from Ballintemple > A man who has lived most of his life in the area identified Jamesville as > being 3 cottages in a terraced row. They are set back a few feet from the > other houses on the side of the street. > This is a former country village now incorporated into the Cork City > conurbation. Very few of these houses have a front garden. For the most > part > the front door opens on the street. > These houses have long back gardens. The soil is rich and fertile. Market > gardening was important. They supplied the city markets with produce in > season. > > I think the 3 houses are now unoccupied. There was a planning application > to > knock the houses and build townhouses on the site using the extensive > gardens. > > There was an (O) Sullivan family there up to recently. A family named > Mintern lived no.3. McCarthy's lived beyond them. > > Jamesville is directly west of the AIB, Ballintemple. It is opposite > Ardfoyle Avenue (formerly Abel's Lane) > > I will keep asking > > The 1911 census for Cork will be available on the National Archives site > soon. I think it will be done in this year. There is a very good chance > that > you will be able to find your people there. There was very little mobility > in those days. Families stayed put. Furthermore very many of those living > in > the locality and in surrounding areas were/are related to one another. You > can be certain you have living relatives nearby. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Heather H > Sent: 12 February 2009 16:35 > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty > > Searching for any info on Mrs. M. Sullivan who lived at 2 Jamesville, > Ballintemple, Cork in 1924. > I have just uncovered my Grandmothers "Declaration of Passage" record to > Canada- 1924. Her name was Anne (Doherty) Horgan and one of the questions > on > the paperwork was, name of nearest relative and address of that person in > country you are leaving. "Mrs. Sullivan" was listed as her Aunt. at above > address. Anne Horgan and her family had also lived at that address from > about 1914-1924, when she left for Canada. I am assuming that Mrs > Sullivan > may have been perhaps sister to Anne`s Mother, Ellen Flynn or sister of > her > Father, Joseph Doherty, although I have learned one should never assume > anything. > Does anyone have suggestions of how I could find out more on M Sullivan > through that address? Unfortunately, this won`t be covered by census > years. > Thanks for any advice > Heather Horgan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Heather (O) Sullivan is a very common name in Cork. There may be a connection but there may not. It is unlikely in my mind that the priest was a relative as in most cases people got whoever was serving there. See the list of O'Sullivan priests who served in the Cathedral. O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Canon William James PP Date of Ordination: 1831 Last Known Appointment: Blackrock O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Canon Michael Adm Date of Ordination: 24/1/1892 Last Known Appointment: Cathedral O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Patrick (Paddy) PP Date of Ordination: 20/6/1937 Last Known Appointment: Crosshaven O'Sullivan, Rev. Richard J. Date of Ordination: 21/12/1897 Last Known Appointment: Cathedral O'Sullivan, Very Rev. Michael PP VG Date of Ordination: 06/1833 Unfortunately the dates they served there are not given. Would it be possible for you to send me the papers you quote? I may be able glean something from them. My own grandmother was O'Sullivan Her father was baptized Sullivan but died as O'Sullivan. People were very casual about the use of the O. it is often dropped in casual speech but people are very conscious of using it when writing. The use of O and Mc/Mac increased greatly from the mid 1800's onwards as people became better educated and more nationalistic in outlook. It is very common to find O used in some places and not in other places in reference to the same individual. There are common slurs about "taking the soup" etc. that should be completely ignored. I will see if I can photograph the front of the house. I doubt if I could get one of the back garden. I will see hat I can get from other maps. Jack -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Heather H Sent: 22 February 2009 18:49 To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty Hi Jack, Thank You so much for the interesting information/description on the home in question. It gives one a mental picture of the surrounds. Sounds like it may not still be there though whenever I get back to Cork. Is there any wonderful person who lives nearby that could take a photo of the home, (#2 Jamesville, Ballintemple) and if possible, the back gardens, and scan it to me off list?? I would be VERY grateful for same. Next, very interesting re the name O Sullivan. When I look again at the four declaration of passages of Anne (Doherty) Horgan and her three children, I see one of them lists the aunt as M O`Sullivan, the others missing the O in front. I guess the recorders were like the census takers. Not always consistent or accurate. Also, the M on two may be Mrs. Very hard to decipher the writing. On looking again at Anne Doherty and John Horgans marriage certificate, m 1914 at Cathedral of Cork, the person/preist who married them was a M O SULLIVAN and one of the witnesses was DANIEL O SULLIVAN! Maybe there is a connection to O Sullivans that I have not yet uncovered... RE the 1911 census, it will be interesting if the OSullivan s lived at that address then. John Horgan lived at Popes Quay address then and Anne Doherty on Domenick St. in 1911. Again, thank you very much Jack! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Crowley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 2:53 AM Subject: RE: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty > Hi > I live a mile or so from Ballintemple > A man who has lived most of his life in the area identified Jamesville as > being 3 cottages in a terraced row. They are set back a few feet from the > other houses on the side of the street. > This is a former country village now incorporated into the Cork City > conurbation. Very few of these houses have a front garden. For the most > part > the front door opens on the street. > These houses have long back gardens. The soil is rich and fertile. Market > gardening was important. They supplied the city markets with produce in > season. > > I think the 3 houses are now unoccupied. There was a planning application > to > knock the houses and build townhouses on the site using the extensive > gardens. > > There was an (O) Sullivan family there up to recently. A family named > Mintern lived no.3. McCarthy's lived beyond them. > > Jamesville is directly west of the AIB, Ballintemple. It is opposite > Ardfoyle Avenue (formerly Abel's Lane) > > I will keep asking > > The 1911 census for Cork will be available on the National Archives site > soon. I think it will be done in this year. There is a very good chance > that > you will be able to find your people there. There was very little mobility > in those days. Families stayed put. Furthermore very many of those living > in > the locality and in surrounding areas were/are related to one another. You > can be certain you have living relatives nearby. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Heather H > Sent: 12 February 2009 16:35 > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Sullivan/Flynn/Doherty > > Searching for any info on Mrs. M. Sullivan who lived at 2 Jamesville, > Ballintemple, Cork in 1924. > I have just uncovered my Grandmothers "Declaration of Passage" record to > Canada- 1924. Her name was Anne (Doherty) Horgan and one of the questions > on > the paperwork was, name of nearest relative and address of that person in > country you are leaving. "Mrs. Sullivan" was listed as her Aunt. at above > address. Anne Horgan and her family had also lived at that address from > about 1914-1924, when she left for Canada. I am assuming that Mrs > Sullivan > may have been perhaps sister to Anne`s Mother, Ellen Flynn or sister of > her > Father, Joseph Doherty, although I have learned one should never assume > anything. > Does anyone have suggestions of how I could find out more on M Sullivan > through that address? Unfortunately, this won`t be covered by census > years. > Thanks for any advice > Heather Horgan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message