Hello Brendan, you may very well have the reason for the loss of farm etc., the family went from leasing 130 acres which was taken up by the Old Man when he was 60, so he must have been farming it with his sons, amongst whom was my great grandfather, until he was 80 when he suddenly lost it all and ended his days owning only 5 acres, so something was going on. There were also house burnings, sons going off and leasing other farms with cousins in different parishes, and sons disappearing - abroad?? All happening during the turbulence of the Land Wars. We have all the details of the land from the Rate Books besides the Griffiths'. The point that I am making is that I discovered all this detail well after the death of my father and grandfather, and it all makes ' the family history ' different, and more complicated, than I had supposed it to be. Nothing surprising there, you may say, but I was using this example as a warning, if you like, to others to approach family history with an open mind, and to be prepared for the ( very ) unexpected. I could write a book..... Mary