Thanks for the history lesson JC. Don In a message dated 5/12/2009 9:42:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I very much dislike the expression "took the soup". It is an expression of contempt used to describe those who were the very poorest of people at a time famine and great distress. Much has been written about conversions in the poorer parts of rural Ireland, before, during and after the Great Famine. A lot of this commentary is pure twaddle. Lots of native Irish became Anglicans in the 18th century. This was during the Penal Laws. The principal reasons seemed to have been to preserve ownership of lands and to secure entry to professions, notably law. There were fierce objections by protestant lawyers to these new converts as they , maybe rightly, thought they were conforming for commercial reasons and not for reasons of faith and belief in a particular religion. These laws discriminated against Roman Catholics and Dissenters including Presbyterians. There were lots of (temporary) conversions in west Cork in the 19th century. However the numbers fell back later. These were for the most part Anglican and Methodist/Wesleyan. I believe that many Cork protestant families were protestant long before the "soup". The names of protestants with Gaelic names can be seen in all sorts of lists and places such as graveyards. I do not think that the Presbyterians had any missions in the south of Ireland. Their numbers there were always small. They were mostly Scottish business people and also workers such as weavers and plumbers in Cork in the 19th century. They seemed to be the majority of the Presbyterian population. There were of course also soldiers stationed in Cork from time to time. To conclude I think it is unlikely a) That Lore is Leary b) That a Leary was a Presbyterian minister in Cork c) That a Leary became a Presbyterian in Cork in the early 19th century or before. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 12 May 2009 03:07 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: LORE in County Cork.....need Tithe Applotment You could be right. I doubt if any Leary of any spelling variation would "take the soup" and change their religion now would they. :o) Don In a message dated 5/11/2009 6:55:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I very much doubt that Lore is a variant of (O) Leary. It is highly unlikely, though it cannot be totally excluded, that a Leary would have been a Presbyterian minister in Ireland. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 08 May 2009 22:43 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: LORE in County Cork.....need Tithe Applotment Hello again Barbara, No, I can't say for certain that LORE is a variation of LEARY, but I will check it out and let you know. In my research of LEARY on Ancestry.com & other research websites I thought I had seen it as a variation, so will have to go back and review later. Unfortunately I'm having a problem accessing a few websites due to some unexplained malfunction so will refer this info to a friend who may know. Will get back to you asap. Don In a message dated 5/8/2009 5:23:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Don, thank you....we have tried so many variations, but not those two, which are very common....you do know that LORE is one of those variations?....isn't been very hard to find this surname in Ireland and I've had some good researchers helping me..... Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 3:17 PM Subject: Re: LORE in County Cork.....need Tithe Applotment > Barbara, I wonder if LORE was a variation of the surname LEARY or > O'LEARY? > Just a thought as there are many variations of the name and > pronunciation. > > Don > > > In a message dated 5/8/2009 5:07:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Does anyone have access to the Tithe in County Cork? I am looking for a > Henry LORE or his son, Patrick LORE who might have come from County Cork > .....having no idea where in the county the Lore family may be from.... > > Henry, born about 1816, was supposedly a Presbyterian Minister...his son > Patrick LORE was born in 1844 in New York City where his parents were for > a > time before returning to Ireland right after that.... > > Patrick returned to the US in 1864 and we have no knowledge of the > parents > and do we know the name of the mother > > So my next step is to try the Tithes if there is one available... > > Barbara > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject > and the body of the message > > > **************Remember Mom this Mother's Day! 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