Monica, The Bishop of Cork does not ban you seeing the records. They are in the process of digitising them. The microfilms for religious are available for research at the National Library and National Archives free of charge up to about 1880. For Church records after 1880 you must contact a cooperative Parish Priest or staff and they have the time or the incentive to look something up for you. You must have a religious or civil parish to narrow down the church area you wish to have a look at. If you look at my web site www.westcorkgenealogy.com and click on Church of Ireland Resources or Roman Catholic Resources you will find the records that are available in the various parishes of West Cork. Civil records are also available at www.familysearch.org and Birth, Marriage and Death record Indexes at http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start. These will indicate the the year or the quarter& year plusVolume & Page number to help you get records from Ireland or you can use the same information to look up the microfilm number for copies of the original documents whether they be Birth, Marriage or Death records and if they have been filmed by the LDS church. The microfilm indicated in the records at the pilot search is only an Index, the Volume & Page number and the year of the event will get you what you need under Birth or Marriage records. Bill Fahy

Bill- I respect and I am thankful for all you have done to bring light to the west Cork region. I do not wish in any way to disrespect your thoughts. However, I have a different opinion. I cannot accept the Church's silly argument of protecting something that happened in the 19th century. It should also be considered most of us; who do not know our origins, are products of a people who left under extreme durress. As a result our families could not communicate those origins. It was simply behind them. I can respect, albeit I may not agree with, a 100 year rule or something similar but complete non transparency is simply wrong. If the Church felt it is was important for the people to record their faith, it is equally important for the Church to report those records to the family. It is no wonder why the Catholic Church has lost my generation. They have constricted and excluded to the point of self strangulation. I have been to Dublin once and will never go back. I am a person who avoids any city in any way, manner or form possible. Libraries give me the creeps. I want to walk the fields amongst the sheep. I want to meet the residents where we once were. I want to lift a stone and replace it in a wall. I want to listen to the music of a local musician. I have zero interest in Dublin. Let me compare apples and apples. I also have Bavarian Catholic ancestors. I have accessed that data. Yes, I paid a fair sum for it and that is ok. I can share that. Two wasted nights in Dublin is a lot more expensive. Not only did they give every BMD detail possible, they listed the date the family hitched the horse to the wagon to go to America. They gave me details of family I did not even know about in the same town my family had settled. I could not ask for better. Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese was equal to that Bavarian disclosure. So now I ask what details over 100 years old, I should add, could the Irish Catholic Church be afraid to disclose in BMD records? My goal has been to give my family a target, a place in Ireland for them to visit. Currently, they all stay home, waiting for that chance to visit a home their elders never wanted to leave. This is not claims to ownership, this is a vacation. They will do other things and spend a vacation sum of money but it is only worth coming if they can visit the special land. Those are the facts. I wish the Irish Catholic Church would be more reasonable and attempt to understand these simple needs of the products of their former faithful. Respectfully John (son of a Buckley) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:18 PM, William P. Fahy <[email protected]> wrote: > Monica, > > The Bishop of Cork does not ban you seeing the records. They are in the > process of digitising them. > > The microfilms for religious are available for research at the National > Library and National Archives free of charge up to about 1880. > > For Church records after 1880 you must contact a cooperative Parish Priest > or staff and they have the time or the incentive to look something up for > you. > > You must have a religious or civil parish to narrow down the church area > you > wish to have a look at. > > If you look at my web site www.westcorkgenealogy.com and click on Church > of > Ireland Resources or Roman Catholic Resources you will find the records > that > are > > available in the various parishes of West Cork. Civil records are also > available at www.familysearch.org and Birth, Marriage and Death record > Indexes at > > http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start. These will > indicate the the year or the quarter& year plusVolume & Page number to help > you get records from Ireland > > or you can use the same information to look up the microfilm number for > copies of the original documents whether they be Birth, Marriage or Death > records and if they have been filmed by > > the LDS church. The microfilm indicated in the records at the pilot search > is only an Index, the Volume & Page number and the year of the event will > get you what you need under Birth or > > Marriage records. > > > Bill Fahy > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You can do away with the volumes that you all have written and explain it simply with 2 words, "control freak". Cliff. "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Steitz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Free availability of Irish Records > Bill- > I respect and I am thankful for all you have done to bring light to the > west > Cork region. I do not wish in any way to disrespect your thoughts. > > However, I have a different opinion. I cannot accept the Church's silly > argument of protecting something that happened in the 19th century. It > should also be considered most of us; who do not know our origins, are > products of a people who left under extreme durress. As a result our > families could not communicate those origins. It was simply behind them. I > can respect, albeit I may not agree with, a 100 year rule or something > similar but complete non transparency is simply wrong. If the Church felt > it > is was important for the people to record their faith, it is equally > important for the Church to report those records to the family. It is no > wonder why the Catholic Church has lost my generation. They have > constricted > and excluded to the point of self strangulation. > > I have been to Dublin once and will never go back. I am a person who > avoids > any city in any way, manner or form possible. Libraries give me the > creeps. > I want to walk the fields amongst the sheep. I want to meet the residents > where we once were. I want to lift a stone and replace it in a wall. I > want > to listen to the music of a local musician. I have zero interest in > Dublin. > > Let me compare apples and apples. I also have Bavarian Catholic ancestors. > I > have accessed that data. Yes, I paid a fair sum for it and that is ok. I > can > share that. Two wasted nights in Dublin is a lot more expensive. Not only > did they give every BMD detail possible, they listed the date the family > hitched the horse to the wagon to go to America. They gave me details of > family I did not even know about in the same town my family had settled. I > could not ask for better. Pittsburgh Catholic Diocese was equal to that > Bavarian disclosure. So now I ask what details over 100 years old, I > should > add, could the Irish Catholic Church be afraid to disclose in BMD records? > > My goal has been to give my family a target, a place in Ireland for them > to > visit. Currently, they all stay home, waiting for that chance to visit a > home their elders never wanted to leave. This is not claims to ownership, > this is a vacation. They will do other things and spend a vacation sum of > money but it is only worth coming if they can visit the special land. > Those > are the facts. I wish the Irish Catholic Church would be more reasonable > and > attempt to understand these simple needs of the products of their former > faithful. > Respectfully > John (son of a Buckley) > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:18 PM, William P. Fahy <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Monica, >> >> The Bishop of Cork does not ban you seeing the records. They are in the >> process of digitising them. >> >> The microfilms for religious are available for research at the National >> Library and National Archives free of charge up to about 1880. >> >> For Church records after 1880 you must contact a cooperative Parish >> Priest >> or staff and they have the time or the incentive to look something up for >> you. >> >> You must have a religious or civil parish to narrow down the church area >> you >> wish to have a look at. >> >> If you look at my web site www.westcorkgenealogy.com and click on Church >> of >> Ireland Resources or Roman Catholic Resources you will find the records >> that >> are >> >> available in the various parishes of West Cork. Civil records are also >> available at www.familysearch.org and Birth, Marriage and Death record >> Indexes at >> >> http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start. These will >> indicate the the year or the quarter& year plusVolume & Page number to >> help >> you get records from Ireland >> >> or you can use the same information to look up the microfilm number for >> copies of the original documents whether they be Birth, Marriage or Death >> records and if they have been filmed by >> >> the LDS church. The microfilm indicated in the records at the pilot >> search >> is only an Index, the Volume & Page number and the year of the event will >> get you what you need under Birth or >> >> Marriage records. >> >> >> Bill Fahy >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message