Dear Candi, I would like to thank you for your sharing the Castle Garden site with us. Any new information we receive is greatly appreciated. The quest in Genealogy is to discover any information that will enlighten us into the lives of our ancestors. Thank you, Penny

----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> Sent: Saturday Aug 13, 2005 8:17 AM Subject: Re: harvesting clues from Castle Garden > > padraigogealagain@rogers.com said: > > For example, entering just the surname Galligan for the > period 1830-1912 brings up 611 results, of which none > indicated the place of last residence, but just four (4) > results indicated the port of departure as Limerick. They > don't indicate the manifest numbers, so one can't check > that aspect out. > > I'm not sure about the 1830-1912 listing being exclusively Castle Garden > as it ceased to function as an immigrant processing center in 1890. As > for "manifest numbers" I'm not sure what that means, but when I am looking > at manifests for a given port of arrival and time period on microfilm from > the National Archives, they are arranged by date. The manifest is what gives > the port of origin and type of vessel. This information is generally not > available on microfilm indexes available from the National Archives. SNIP>> -dja > The dates I quoted (1830-1912) are those that appear on the search page of the Castle Garden website - you're right, of course, Castle Garden ceased as a clearing depot in 1890. Manifest Numbers?: Well, as you likely know, every manifest has to have a reference number and a date. For example, on the Ellis Islnad site, this number is hyper-linked, so one can click it and see a copy of the manifest. Pádraig Mór [ An Sean-Ghabhar - Milis agus Dilis!] [The Old Goat - Sweet and Faithful !] **** Please Reply Only to the List ****

Padraig, I see your point. I was not being as specific when I was referring to the search. Most of my family have had only "Ireland" recorded as place of origin - never a county. But at least we would want "Ireland" to be there. Occasionally, I suppose depending on who the person in charge of the manifest was, "Great Britain" is recorded instead of Ireland. I had hoped FOR YEARS that the Castle Garden records would be indexed. I had never heard that those indexes were being prepared. If the same folks who indexed Ellis Island indexed Castle Garden records, let's hope that improvments will be made to the site. I wonder if finances have played a role. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagáin" <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:36 AM Subject: Re: harvesting clues from Castle Garden >I still hold the point of view that Castlegarden.org's > website leaves very much to be desired - it certainly > doesn't compare at all to the Ellis Island site . > > For example, entering just the surname Galligan for the > period 1830-1912 brings up 611 results, of which none > indicated the place of last residence, but just four (4) > results indicated the port of departure as Limerick. They > don't indicate the manifest numbers, so one can't check > that aspect out. > > Their 'Advanced Search' facility does not provide for > entering a surname. But for the same period, entering > Limerick as the departure port showed a total of over > 23,000 names - no details, just a request for $45.- > reasonable enough, mind you - to receive the data, which > would be over 22,000 non-Galligan names. > > Even though $45. is reasonable, I would be wasting my time > and money, for as I said above, the 611 of the name did not > give the place of last residence. In an email I brought > these points to their attention, but have not as yet > received a reply from them. > > Pádraig Mór > [ An Sean-Ghabhar - Milis agus Dilis!] > [The Old Goat - Sweet and Faithful !] > > **** Please Reply Only to the List **** > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> > To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> > Sent: Friday Aug 12, 2005 9:01 AM > Subject: harvesting clues from Castle Garden > > >> >> While individual passengers may be listed as "from" > Ireland or Great >> Britain, it can sometimes be fruitful to determine where > the vessel came >> from. You can find this by looking at microfilm of the > manifest itself. >> While the majority of ships left from Liverpool or > Queenstown, sometimes >> smaller vessels are shown as having originated in places > like Youghal or >> Waterford, or even Galway. This information can help you > focus your >> search on a particular region. For example, with so many > vessels picking >> up passengers in Queenstown, why would someone take a > boat from Youghal >> unless they lived near there. And it's unlikely that > anyone from the >> southern counties would make their way to Derry to get a > boat for America. >> None of this is definitive. It's just deductive > reasoning. >> >> It's also worth looking at the manifest itself to learn > how big the vessel >> was and how long the voyage took. It doesn't add > genealogical >> information, but it does tell you something about their > experience. >> >> -dja > > ______________________________

Kevin, I have been told that because birthdays weren't celebrated, people often did not know their date of birth. I have also found birth records after 1864 which have a date of birth that differs from the one given on the Baptismal record. In some cases, I imagine the father did not get into the registration office right away to report the birth. The dates don't differ greatly, but they are often not the same. With some of my family members, they added on years to be old enough to work, while others took years off so they would appear younger. My grandmother's sister shaved 20 years off her life. She lived in Charlestown, MA, and did not want to be put "out to pasture" on (I think it was) Deer Island with the elderly and infirm. At least that was what she told my cousin when he visited years and years ago. I noticed that she shaved those years off when she was very young too so I wonder if she didn't want to let her husband know she was about 20 years older than he was. My aunt was helping me search for records and said that the year of birth attributed to my ggrandfather James Kenny was definitely wrong. He would not have been 15 years younger than his wife. She said my grandfather, James's son, was terrific with dates and numbers so we brought garden tools and cleared away the stone that was on the ground. Sure enough, the dates my grandfather had put on his father's stone were different by 15 years. There was just one more glitch. His stone gave 1898 as year of death, but at Vital Records in New Hampshire, the year was 1899. At the cemetery office, someone pulled out the city annual report, which had vital records at the end. James had died in October 1898, but the annual report had already gone to press so he was included in the 1899 report only. I thought it strange that the vital record took the date from the annual report. I have to wonder about the different dates given for immigration. I think sometimes they really did forget what year they came. Other times a spouse or family member gave the information, and they might not have known. Occasionally, I think a neighbor might have given census information because names were misspelled (one of my grand uncle's children was Mary Hilda, but her name was spelled as Hildreth), and the same person who had emigrated from Ireland, was enumerated as someone born in the US. I found the latter error several times with family members. That was quite frustrating when I was trying to check all of the siblings to see what year of immigration they gave because with a US birth there would be no date of immigration. And to further add...... the most common year of immigration for my Gallagher family was 1879. I finally found them on a vessel that arrived in NYC in June 1880. Interestingly, we brought up a family of refugee siblings. When they were in the refugee camps, the children (who were minors without parents) were told to report a younger age as families were more willing to take in younger children. I guess most of us have learned to be very flexible when looking for family records. :-) :-) :-) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <KELKEV956@cs.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 11:13 AM Subject: Fluctuating Irish birth / immigration dates > In a message dated 8/12/2005 7:05:43 AM Central Daylight Time, > janfortado@comcast.net writes: >> Because my family gave different years of birth >> on any record that was ever filled out, it is almost impossible to tell >> which John Kenny is mine. It does seem that age 21 was a popular age to >> be >> when boarding one of these ships. Also, when my different family members >> were enumerated in the various U.S. Censuses, they gave different years >> of >> immigration each time so I can't even be sure which year to look for on >> ship's records. > > Thanks, Jan, > > This has been my experience exactly with my KELLY family, which I > eventually > traced to the Beara Peninsula in County Cork. I eventually realized that > these ancestors, most of who were illiterate when they came, had a more > "relaxed" > attitude about time and its passage. They perhaps didn't so much care > exactly > when they were born, or even forgot with the passage of time. "The Man > who > made time, made plenty of it." > > Kevin Kelly in Missouri > > ______________________________

padraigogealagain@rogers.com said: For example, entering just the surname Galligan for the period 1830-1912 brings up 611 results, of which none indicated the place of last residence, but just four (4) results indicated the port of departure as Limerick. They don't indicate the manifest numbers, so one can't check that aspect out. I'm not sure about the 1830-1912 listing being exclusively Castle Garden as it ceased to function as an immigrant processing center in 1890. As for "manifest numbers" I'm not sure what that means, but when I am looking at manifests for a given port of arrival and time period on microfilm from the National Archives, they are arranged by date. The manifest is what gives the port of origin and type of vessel. This information is generally not available on microfilm indexes available from the National Archives. See http://germanroots.home.att.net/ellisisland/ for information on Immigrant Processing Centers for New York City. For Records of Famine Immigrants to New York, see "The Famine Immigrants: Lists of Irish Immigrants Arriving at the Port of New York, 1846-1851" edited by Ira A. Glazier and Michael Tepper, published 1983 by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, Maryland. There are seven volumes and it's indexed by individuals. See http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aherns/ahimmig.htm#famine for an example of data collected from this source. -dja

From The Cork Constitution, 5 November 1886 - [continued] SOUTH WARD. Rev James Ambrose, 29, Green street ; Jas. Burgess, 32, Mary street ; Denis Burke, 61a, Douglas street ; David Carey, 37, Warren's row, Cove street ; Patrick A Carroll, 56, Gillabbey street : Maurice Conway, 3, Union quay ; John Donovan, 4, Mary street ; Moses Essemond, Albert row ; Rev John Fahy, 8, George's quay ; Richard Fitzgerald, 10, Albert street ; Rev James Fleming, 8, George's quay ; Timothy Hennessy, 135, Barrack street ; Michael William Hughes, 64, Douglas street ; John Jones, 4, Albert road ; Rev John Lane, 9, Fitton street ; Michael Lawlor, 35 and 37, Douglas street ; Michael Lynch, 5, Sullivan's quay ; Christopher James M'Carthy, 14, George's quay ; Thomas M'Carthy, 23, Rutland street ; Michael M'Donnell, 113, Barrack street ; Samuel M'Kenttrick, 3, Evergreen terrace ; Daniel Murphy, jun., 15, Douglas street ; Daniel Murray, 122, Barrack street ; Daniel Murray, 121, Barrack street ; Joshua Nunn, 27, Barrack street ; John O'Callaghan, 22, Gould street ; James Charles O'Connor, 37, Douglas street ; Joseph O'Connor, Southern road ; James O'Donnell, 8, Langford row ; John O'Driscoll, 38, Douglas street ; Rev J O'Keeffe, 8, George's quay ; Jeremiah O'Keary, Albert street ; John T O'Neill, 30, Nicholas street ; Joseph O'Regan, 2, Proby's quay ; James Simcox, 122, Barrack street ; Francis Turpin, 7, Fitton street ; William Whistle, Mews lane ; Michael Wilson, 21, Douglas street ; Rev Joseph Zimmermann, 5, Tory Top lane. Richard Fitzgerald, 10, Albert street ; Daniel Joseph Lucy, 14, Barrack street ; Jeremiah Mullane, 16, Margaret street ; James Charles O'Connell, 37, Douglas street ; John O'Lehane, 48, Douglas street ; Jeremiah O'Neill, 7, Margaret street ; Thomas O'Shea, 2, Copley street ; James Walsh, 121, Evergreen road ; James Walsh, 6, Albert road ; Michael Walsh, 21, Douglas street. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Has anyone had any luck with the Port records from Philadelphia for 1875-1881 for ships arriving from Ireland? Regards, Ben MacDonald Glendale, Arizona

Most of my families arrived before Ellis Island opened. I have gone through every manifest arriving in the 1850's at NYC. (The eldest child was born in April 1860 in the U.S.) At the Castle Garden website I have located 2 of my families. It's them. Everyone listed matches up including their ages. I got lucky. Although their last residence isn't listed at least I have a definitive date of arrival. Then again, I've seen Ellis Island records list only the country in the Last Residence column. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagáin" <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 9:36 AM Subject: Re: harvesting clues from Castle Garden >I still hold the point of view that Castlegarden.org's > website leaves very much to be desired - it certainly > doesn't compare at all to the Ellis Island site . > > For example, entering just the surname Galligan for the > period 1830-1912 brings up 611 results, of which none > indicated the place of last residence, but just four (4) > results indicated the port of departure as Limerick. They > don't indicate the manifest numbers, so one can't check > that aspect out. > > Their 'Advanced Search' facility does not provide for > entering a surname. But for the same period, entering > Limerick as the departure port showed a total of over > 23,000 names - no details, just a request for $45.- > reasonable enough, mind you - to receive the data, which > would be over 22,000 non-Galligan names. > > Even though $45. is reasonable, I would be wasting my time > and money, for as I said above, the 611 of the name did not > give the place of last residence. In an email I brought > these points to their attention, but have not as yet > received a reply from them. > > Pádraig Mór > [ An Sean-Ghabhar - Milis agus Dilis!] > [The Old Goat - Sweet and Faithful !] > > **** Please Reply Only to the List **** > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> > To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> > Sent: Friday Aug 12, 2005 9:01 AM > Subject: harvesting clues from Castle Garden > > >> >> While individual passengers may be listed as "from" > Ireland or Great >> Britain, it can sometimes be fruitful to determine where > the vessel came >> from. You can find this by looking at microfilm of the > manifest itself. >> While the majority of ships left from Liverpool or > Queenstown, sometimes >> smaller vessels are shown as having originated in places > like Youghal or >> Waterford, or even Galway. This information can help you > focus your >> search on a particular region. For example, with so many > vessels picking >> up passengers in Queenstown, why would someone take a > boat from Youghal >> unless they lived near there. And it's unlikely that > anyone from the >> southern counties would make their way to Derry to get a > boat for America. >> None of this is definitive. It's just deductive > reasoning. >> >> It's also worth looking at the manifest itself to learn > how big the vessel >> was and how long the voyage took. It doesn't add > genealogical >> information, but it does tell you something about their > experience. >> >> -dja > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb in data acquisition > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

In a message dated 8/12/2005 7:05:43 AM Central Daylight Time, janfortado@comcast.net writes: > Because my family gave different years of birth > on any record that was ever filled out, it is almost impossible to tell > which John Kenny is mine. It does seem that age 21 was a popular age to be > when boarding one of these ships. Also, when my different family members > were enumerated in the various U.S. Censuses, they gave different years of > immigration each time so I can't even be sure which year to look for on > ship's records. Thanks, Jan, This has been my experience exactly with my KELLY family, which I eventually traced to the Beara Peninsula in County Cork. I eventually realized that these ancestors, most of who were illiterate when they came, had a more "relaxed" attitude about time and its passage. They perhaps didn't so much care exactly when they were born, or even forgot with the passage of time. "The Man who made time, made plenty of it." Kevin Kelly in Missouri

I still hold the point of view that Castlegarden.org's website leaves very much to be desired - it certainly doesn't compare at all to the Ellis Island site . For example, entering just the surname Galligan for the period 1830-1912 brings up 611 results, of which none indicated the place of last residence, but just four (4) results indicated the port of departure as Limerick. They don't indicate the manifest numbers, so one can't check that aspect out. Their 'Advanced Search' facility does not provide for entering a surname. But for the same period, entering Limerick as the departure port showed a total of over 23,000 names - no details, just a request for $45.- reasonable enough, mind you - to receive the data, which would be over 22,000 non-Galligan names. Even though $45. is reasonable, I would be wasting my time and money, for as I said above, the 611 of the name did not give the place of last residence. In an email I brought these points to their attention, but have not as yet received a reply from them. Pádraig Mór [ An Sean-Ghabhar - Milis agus Dilis!] [The Old Goat - Sweet and Faithful !] **** Please Reply Only to the List **** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Cc: <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> Sent: Friday Aug 12, 2005 9:01 AM Subject: harvesting clues from Castle Garden > > While individual passengers may be listed as "from" Ireland or Great > Britain, it can sometimes be fruitful to determine where the vessel came > from. You can find this by looking at microfilm of the manifest itself. > While the majority of ships left from Liverpool or Queenstown, sometimes > smaller vessels are shown as having originated in places like Youghal or > Waterford, or even Galway. This information can help you focus your > search on a particular region. For example, with so many vessels picking > up passengers in Queenstown, why would someone take a boat from Youghal > unless they lived near there. And it's unlikely that anyone from the > southern counties would make their way to Derry to get a boat for America. > None of this is definitive. It's just deductive reasoning. > > It's also worth looking at the manifest itself to learn how big the vessel > was and how long the voyage took. It doesn't add genealogical > information, but it does tell you something about their experience. > > -dja

From The Cork Constitution, 5 November 1886 - [continued] WEST WARD. Mathew Ahern, 68, North Main street ; Rev Cornelius F Begley, Liberty street ; William Blake, Woods' lane ; Patrick Connell, Hanover street ; William Connell, 22, Great George's street ; John Cronin, 78, North Main street ; William Daly, Vandeleur's lane ; Michael Dillon, 12, Home Rule terrace ; David Dilworth, 98, North Main street ; James Dwyer, Great George's street ; Michael Fagan, 8, Home Rule terrace, Western road ; Daniel Fitzgerald, 37, North Main street ; George Henry Fitzgerald, 12, Adelaide street ; Patrick Flynn, 21, Nile street ; James Foley, Hanover street ; John Forrest, 100 and 101, South Main street ; Edward Hayes, 15, Castle street ; Jeremiah Hagerty, Nile street ; John Herlihy, North Main street ; Rev P Kennedy, 14, Liberty street ; John M'Carthy, 14, Liberty street ; William M'Carthy, 10 and 20, Kyrl's quay ; Hugh M'Cullough, Home Rule terrace, Western road ; Rev John M'Manus, 14, Liberty street ; Michael Maher, North Main street ; Jeremiah Murphy, 80, North Main street ; John Murphy, 80, North Main street ; Jeremiah Murphy, 15, Hanover street ; Matthew O'Callaghan, 10, Home Rule terrace ; James O'Connor, 28, Great George's street ; James O'Connor, 16, Nile street ; Michael O'Driscoll, 34, Nile street ; William O'Keeffe, 1, Queen's place ; Eugene O'Sullivan, 56, Cornmarket street ; John Sheehy, North Main street ; Herr Swertz, 14, Dyke Parade ; Michael Verling, Cornmarket street. James Chambers, 1, Great George's street ; Michael Maher, North Main street ; William Roche, 55, North Main street ; John Sheehy, North Main street ; Michael Verling, 51, Cornmarket street. [to be continued] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

While individual passengers may be listed as "from" Ireland or Great Britain, it can sometimes be fruitful to determine where the vessel came from. You can find this by looking at microfilm of the manifest itself. While the majority of ships left from Liverpool or Queenstown, sometimes smaller vessels are shown as having originated in places like Youghal or Waterford, or even Galway. This information can help you focus your search on a particular region. For example, with so many vessels picking up passengers in Queenstown, why would someone take a boat from Youghal unless they lived near there. And it's unlikely that anyone from the southern counties would make their way to Derry to get a boat for America. None of this is definitive. It's just deductive reasoning. It's also worth looking at the manifest itself to learn how big the vessel was and how long the voyage took. It doesn't add genealogical information, but it does tell you something about their experience. -dja

My apologies for not correcting the subject line in my previous response. As I clicked to send it out, I realized I had left in the Cork digest in the subject line. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <IRL-CORK-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <IRL-CORK-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:00 AM Subject: IRL-CORK-D Digest V05 #172

Padraig, I have the same problem for some of my family. This site works best for those who had family emigrate as a unit. It is easy to identify entire families. Or sometimes two people from a family came. If they came singly, and had a popular Irish name, it is difficult to know which one is yours, even if you know your relative's age. If your family member had an unusual name, you could be in luck. Because my family gave different years of birth on any record that was ever filled out, it is almost impossible to tell which John Kenny is mine. It does seem that age 21 was a popular age to be when boarding one of these ships. Also, when my different family members were enumerated in the various U.S. Censuses, they gave different years of immigration each time so I can't even be sure which year to look for on ship's records. For me, the advantage of having this page on line is that I don't have to run to the nearest regional National Archives to look at records on microfilm. I can sit at my computer and look. All of my family came in before Ellis Island opened, and for years, those records were not indexed. Eventually another clue might help me to zero in on which John Kenny was mine. :-) I was searching Boston records at one time, looking for my great-aunt, Nora Mahony. Family information had her coming to the US to stay with relatives. I was fairly sure it would have been her mother's family, the Kingstons. I did find a record (one of the several years she had given on census records as her year of immigration) of a Nora Mahony, listed very close to a Sam Kingston. Another name in the same grouping was Daniel Shea. Since Nora married a Daniel Shea, I am wondering if she met him on the ship coming over. Although I cannot be sure this is my Nora, the other tidbits lead me to think this is the right one. I am now trying to follow Sam Kingston in US records and will then try to trace his family in Ireland (only because I am wondering which of the many, many Kingston families Nora's mother was connected to). Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <IRL-CORK-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <IRL-CORK-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 4:00 AM Subject: IRL-CORK-D Digest V05 #172

Thanks, Candi, for informing us about Castle Garden arrivals. I found 611 of my name, BUT, I found the resulting information useless in that all are shown as coming from Ireland or Great Britain. Regretfully, there is nothing one much one can do with that info. I saved it anyway in the hope that maybe later on it will be expanded to show specific home birth places. Pádraig Mór [ An Sean-Ghabhar - Milis agus Dilis!] [The Old Goat - Sweet and Faithful !] **** Please Reply Only to the List **** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zizek, Candi (DHS-DCDC-IDB)" <CZizek@dhs.ca.gov> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday Aug 10, 2005 7:43 PM Subject: Here is a new resource for travel to America to Castle Garden! HAVE FUN! > http://castlegarden.org/ > Regards, > > Candi in California

From The Cork Constitution, 5 November 1886 - [continued] CENTRE WARD. Peter Allen, 43, Patrick's Hill ; Michael Arnold, 5, Cook street ; Francis Arnold, 48, South Main street ; Andrew Browne, 24, South Main street ; Daniel Butler, 105, George's street ; Patrick Cahill, 51, Great George's street ; Daniel Canty, 3, Caroline street ; Daniel J Galvin, 5, Castle street ; Thomas Hodnett, 16, Caroline street ; Michael Hurley, 44, South Main street ; Michael Lucy, 14, Brunswick street ; Nicholas M'Carthy, 14, Grand Parade Market ; Patrick M'Donnell, 38, South Main street ; Daniel Mahony, 87, George's street ; Cornelius Millard, 2, Grand Parade Market ; Patrick Moore, 40, Marlboro street ; Peter Murphy, 3, Marlboro street ; John J O'Connor, 5, Cook street ; Rev. F O'Connor, 46, Great George's street ; Denis O'Riely, 5, Marlboro street ; Denis O'Riordan, 114, George's street ; James Russell, 19, Grand Parade Market ; Joseph Sheehy, 44, South Main street ; William Sherlock, Marlboro street ; William J Shinkwin, 40, Prince's street ; Thomas Farrer, 14, Grand Parade ; Denis Twomey, 30, Grand Parade Market ; Michael Walsh, 13, South Main street ; Thomas Wood, 39, Prince's street. Daniel Donovan, 42 and 43, Grand Parade Market ; Thomas O'Connor, 6, Cook street. [to be continued] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

http://castlegarden.org/ Regards, Candi in California

Hi Felicity, The Catholic Church in Newmarket is The Immaculate Conception. The records there only date back to 1833. Regards, Brendan Jones. > Catholic Church in Newmarket. Does anyone know the name of the Catholic > Church in Newmarket around 1821? > > > Felicity > >

From The Cork Constitution, 5 November 1886 - [continued] SOUTH CENTRE WARD. Timothy Daniel Breen, 47, George's street ; Michael J Buckley, 34, South Mall ; James Connel, Lower George's street ; John Daly, Alderman, South Mall ; John E Dowman, Solicitor, Cook street ; Wm Hartnett, 17, George's street ; Maurice Healy, M P, 25, South Mall ; James Hegarty, 30, Cook street ; S H Hynes, South Mall ; Joseph Jenkins, 18, Pembroke street ; Matthew Linehan, 54, South Mall ; Edwd M'Carthy, 22, Marlboro street ; Patrick M'Namara, 41, George's street ; James Magner, M D, 35, South Mall ; Wm B Massy, 27, George's street ; Wm Nunan, 37, George's street ; Francis W O'Callaghan, 46, George's street ; Michael O'Sullivan, 23, Marlboro street ; John Sheehan, 8, Parliament street ; Rev Lewis Soler, Charlotte Quay. Patrick Buckley, 40, George's street ; Michael Francis Carey, South Mall ; Daniel Valentine Donegan, 90, South Mall. [to be continued] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Hello from Sydney, I am tracing my GGG Grandfather, James Houlahan, who was from Newmarket in County Cork. He came to Australia as a convict in 1822. In 1821 he married a woman named Margaret Stannard (I’m not 100% certain of her surname) in the Catholic Church in Newmarket. Does anyone know the name of the Catholic Church in Newmarket around 1821? James had applied to have Margaret come to Australian, but the request was not granted and James remarried in 1839. I would appreciate any information or if anyone knows where I may find information on Newmarket and its history, I would love to hear from you. Kind Regards, Felicity