Greetings and thanks to everyone- I will be away for 3 weeks. Joan Cook (NZ)

My great-great-grandmother was Johanna Hagerty (1817 - 1904). She was born in Schull Parish, in Western County Cork, and emigrated to Buffalo, New York, in about 1847. My mother told me that the name was Hagerty. My gggrandmother's death certificate (from Buffalo, NY) says "Johanna Hagerty" and has the names of her parents: Daniel Hagerty and Johanna Hagerty. However, in all of the Schull Parish records, which I perused at the National Library in Dublin, the name is Hegarty. Today, there are many Hegartys in the local Schull telephone book, and almost no Hagertys. I found a marriage record of Daniel Heagarty and Joan McCarthy on January 25, 1814 in Schull. This may be the marriage record of my ggggrandparents. Griffith's Valuation lists a Daniel Hegarty jr., and a Daniel Hegarty sr. living in Derryconnell Townland, Schull Parish. This was in about 1850. These might well have been the father and grandfather of Johanna. There is also a Patrick Hegarty in Derryfunshion. Paul Cotter Chestnut >I'm looking for people using the spelling of Hegarty whose ancestors >were from Western County Cork perhaps the Skibbereen/Drimoleague area. >My paternal Great-Grandfather Denis Hagerty and his siblings and a >number of Hegarty cousins all emigrated to America in the 1850s. They >all settled in Lewiston, ME or in the towns north of Lewiston. Later one >of the Hegartys apparently wrote a book about the family and I'd love to >get a look at it to pinpoint exactly where they were all from. > >Ed Hagerty >Monroe, CT

What I said was: >If you enter Hegarty in the IrelandOldNews.com search engine, you will >get 32 pages of hits, not necessarily from Cork. Based on death notices >from Irish newspapers, Hagerty with an A is more commonly spelled with >two Gs, as Haggerty. When spelled with an E, it's always with one G, as >Hegarty. hagerdonngenealogy@earthlink.net responded: >Denis, during the 10 years I've been doing genealogical research on my >family, I've found that Hegarty is probably the correct spelling in >Ireland of my family name (It has always been phonetically the correct >pronunciation) and while there are more people with the spelling of >Haggerty in America than Hagerty or Hegarty, that I've found was the http://tiara.ie/obframe.htm lists way more Hegartys than Hagertys. All I was suggesting was that in the case of spellings beginning with "Ha" it is almost always spelled with two Gs. Variations between Ireland and the U.S. are quite common. For example, O'Keeffe in Ireland almost always becomes O'Keefe in the U.S. >I checked the spelling on Haggerty on the website you mentioned and came >up with only one and it appeared to be someone living in New York in 1864. http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Cork/1864/MAR.html#1 lists a Biddy Haggerty among the steerage passengers who survived the wreck of the Bohemian off Portland, Maine. >Also the number of those with the spelling of Haggerty in Ireland >are as result of someone returning to Ireland from America or Canada in >the latter 19th century. Actually, what http://tiara.ie/obframe.htm shows is that the Haggerty spelling, when appearing in a death notice, is almost always as reported in an American paper, or reported in an Irish paper of a Haggerty who died in America. Understand that this does not mean the Haggerty spelling was used in Ireland, but rather quoted verbatum from an American paper. It was a not uncommon practice for an Irish person's death notice in a U. S. paper to say "Cork papers please copy" or "Dublin papers please copy" etc. Thus an Americanized spelling of an Irish name may find its way into print in an Irish newsaper. The most important thing is to keep an open mind on spelling of surnames. I spent years searching for the Civil War record of a John Ahern who was a brother of my great-grandfather. I eventually found him recorded as John O'Harran or O'Hearn. He enlisted to go South and kill rebels, but ended up killing someone before he even got out of boot camp in Massachusetts. See http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~aherns/ahnws186.htm#25/10/1862 for details. -dja

----- Original Message ----- From: <IRL-CORK-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <IRL-CORK-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2005 4:01 AM Subject: IRL-CORK-D Digest V05 #199

The 1901 Irish census noted whether or not people could read and/or write. Even that late, many Irish were not literate. Throughout the 19th century, when many of our Irish ancestors came to North America, those who were not literate had no set spelling for their names. Whenever someone recorded their name, it was spelled however the scribe thought it sounded. Recently I lived in Ireland for a year. During that year I spent 100s of hours going through Irish parish registers looking for Haggertys, including any reasonably similarly spelled name. Some of the registers I have examined date back as far as the late 1600s. For the most extreme example, I found one family, headed by Daniel and Mary, whose 14 children were christened between 1742 and 1759. The spellings of their surname included: Higerty, Higirthy, Haggarthy, Hegerty, Hagerty and Haggerty (in chronological order). I don't think there were "correct" or "incorrect" spellings until relatively recently--I would suggest ! well into the 1800s. In the case of my own family, who came to Canada in 1823, the family was literate, yet even so, shifts in spelling occurred. The baptism records for the children (my gg grandfather, his brothers and sisters, and many first cousins) in the Kilmeen Irish parish register were all spelled "Hagertie." Yet, a document signed by my ggg grandfather's brother in the 1830s, after he arrived in Canada, shows a spelling of "Haggertie." In the Canadian land registry records the family name was spelled "Haggertie" until the mid 1860s, at which time "Haggerty" first appeared. One of the cousins in the late 1880s decided that the name looked better spelled "Haggarty" and his descendants still use that spelling. Three of my great grandfather's brothers decided to drop one g, and they and their descendants became "Hagerty." Descendants of this family who remained in Ireland now spell their name the common Irish way, "Hegarty." Official name changes were unheard of in those times--people just ! spelled it how they wished. Three of my ggg grandfather's sisters and one of his brothers settled in Mercer County, Pennsylvania. The brother held onto the Haggertie spelling, according to their tombstones, but his descendants are now Haggerty. I have examined the US census images for this family and the spellings varied from census to census, so again, I think the enumerators often decided how to spell the names, regardless of how people spelled it themselves. I really believe that we cannot consider any spellings in those early years as either correct or incorrect. They just were. Accordingly, people today should not assume that how a name is spelled is necessarily a reflection of relationships. At least that's my belief--I know it is not a view shared by everyone. Sharon M. Haggerty London, ON Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <hagerdonngenealogy@earthlink.net> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: Hegarty/Hagerty?Haggerty > Denis, during the 10 years I've been doing genealogical research on my > family, I've found that Hegarty is probably the correct spelling in > Ireland of my family name (It has always been phonetically the correct > pronunciation) and while there are more people with the spelling of > Haggerty in America than Hagerty or Hegarty, that I've found was the > result of the fact most of the Hagertys or Hegartys that emigrated > during the Great Famine and in the decade or so afterwards were > illiterate and either the immigration clerks or census takers wrote down > what they what they thought they heard. I know of people whose families > also corrected the spelling and of others that didn't bother. > > In my family's case, my Great-grandfather was listed in the 1860, 1870 & > 1880 census as Denis Haggerty. It wasn't until my Grandfather John and > his sister Mary, the two oldest children had sufficient schooling in the > late 1880s, that by the 1890 census (destroyed in fire), that the > spelling of our surname was corrected, as was the spelling for my > Great-grandfathers brothers and cousins. > > I checked the spelling on Haggerty on the website you mentioned and came > up with only one and it appeared to be someone living in New York in > 1864. Also the number of those with the spelling of Haggerty in Ireland > are as result of someone returning to Ireland from America or Canada in > the latter 19th century. > > Ed Hagerty > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb in data acquisition > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Speaking of Fenians, I would like to know how to get a list of participants in the "Fenian War" that took place in Buffalo, New York, in 1866. According to family tradition, my great-grandfather, William Cotter, fought in this war. A little history: In 1866, it was decided that an armed invasion of Canada (British territory) would create a diversion, generate a big morale boost, and provide a territorial foothold so that a flag could be raised, and the U.S. Government could recognize an independent Ireland. The Civil War had just ended, and there were plenty of men of Irish descent who had army experience. "We promise" declared the man in charge of the Canada plan, in February 1866, "that before the summer sun kisses the hilltops of Ireland, a ray of hope will gladden every Irish heart. The Green Flag will be flying independently to freedom's breeze, and we will have a base of operations from which we can not only emancipate Ireland, but also annihilate England." According to Robert Kee ("The Green Flag") "Some three thousand armed Fenians had assembled in Buffalo. On the night of May 31, 1866, eight hundred of them, commanded by a Colonel O'Neill, crossed the Niagara River and occupied the village of Fort Erie on the Canadian shore. On the morning of 2 June, they won an engagement with some Canadian student volunteers at Lime Ridge, also known as Ridgeway, but with his rear threatened, O'Neill retired on Fort Erie again hoping for reinforcements to reach him across the lake from Buffalo. But this was now being patrolled by the U.S. Government, which, though it maintained a carefully ambivalent attitude towards the Fenians (finding their nuisance value against the British too valuable to be thrown away), felt obliged to enforce the neutrality laws, now that an actual invasion had taken place. Cut off on the foothold he had won for the Green Flag, O'Neill had no alternative but to withdraw again. In the skirmish at Ridgeway the Canadians had lost 12 dead and 40 wounded, while the Fenian losses had been 8 dead and 20 wounded. About 60 Fenians had been captured, and there had been some desertions. "The Irish Republican Army," as Fenian headquarters described it, had been in action for the first time. This fact alone gives the incident greater historical interest than it otherwise might merit. "Its sponsors seemed in no way dismayed by the failure. 'Arise Irishmen, a glorious career has opened for you. The Green Flag has waved once more in triumph over England's hated emblem.' But as the U.S. Government gently sent the Fenians home from the frontier with their passages paid - though seizing their arms which they later returned to them - the net effect of this rather empty demonstration in Canada was to lend force to Stephens's exhortations to the Brotherhood to strike in Ireland." Actually, the British were aware of the plot through an infiltrator, and they were waiting for them (see "Prince of Spies," by J.A. Cole). Two other "invasions" were attempted in 1870 and 1871, each more lud icrous than the first. There was a rebellion in Ireland in 1867 that was quickly crushed. Paul Cotter Chestnut

Western Australia was one of the places Fenians were transported to (1868) and the subsequent escape of some of them via the American whaling ship Catalpa has been the subject of many books, it certainly livened up Fremantle at the time. A travelling exhibition is being put together for the year 2006 that will visit country towns in WA and the major capitals of Australia and possibly overseas. My father always referred to his gradchildren when playing up as "Sinfeeners", that is how he pronounced it. Jeanette Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel Roberts" <rachel.m.roberts@btopenworld.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 4:43 AM Subject: Fenians, Goggins Hill > Hello, fellow listers. > > > > According to family legend, my great greandfather John JONES (born in > Kerry > about 1836 and stationed in Co Cork from 1860) was dismissed from the > Royal > Irish Constabulary for 'sheltering Fenians'. I know he moved to Glasgow > in > 1873. I have today received his service record which states that his > punishments were: > > John Jones > > > > 6.9.1871 fined 10s for " overstaying his leave of absence by 4 hours" > > 3.12.1873 dismissed for " preferring false & vindictive charges against > his > Constable & several other irregularities: aggravated by denial" > > > > > > His father in law, Thomas Lohan (born East Galway about 1828 and also > stationed in Cork, Goggins Hill) was an acting Constable, having been > demoted on 6th Sept 1871 ( a day after his son-in-law's fine). Punishments > as follows: > > > > Thos Lohan > > > > 20.1.1870 fined £2 for '"delaying unnecessarily when on duty & drinking > with > civilians (previous conduct very irregular)" > > 13.1.1874 dismissed for "acting vindictively towards his Constable & > drinking with civilians" > > > > > > Does anyone have any views on this? Or know what happened at that time? > Apart from a lot of drinking, apparently! It may be that they were > actually > involved in, or very supportive of, the movement. Alternatively, they may > have embellished the facts to give my late aunt her information. Would > love to know > > > > Any ideas? > > > > Rachel > > > > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb in data acquisition > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Hello List I am new to this list and am in hopes of finding my ggrgrmother's family. George TERRY was married to a Scotish woman named Violetta according to Elizabeth (nee Terry) widow of Dan RAWLINS(1) and widow of Robert PROCTOR. Dan and Elizabeth are my great grandparents and married August 05, 1855 St. George's In The East, London, Middlesex, England. Dan was a mariner from Hull, York, England. According to parish records, Elizabeth's siblings were christianed in Virginia, Parish of Lurgan, County of Cavan, Ireland. I've not been able to find an exact date of birth for Elizabeth nor a date of death for Dan although their last child was born April 09, 1864 in Hull and she married Robert PROCTOR October 16, 1865 Kingston-Upon-Hull, Sculcoates, Yorkshire, England and she is listed as a widow. George TERRY, her father, was listed as a Policeofficer, at Virginia, Par. of Lurgan in 1837. Oct 1855 Coothill, Application for Sale of Beer and Spirits issued to; George TERRY of Virginia, Lurgan sureties posted by John Alexander & David Kellet. Descendants of George TERRY 1 George TERRY b: Abt. 1810 in Presumably in Virginia, Parish of Lurgan, County of Cavan, Ireland d: Bet. 1855 - 1865 in Presumably in Virginia, Parish of Lurgan, County of Cavan, Ireland Age at death: 45 est. . +Violetta (unknown) b: in Scotland d: in Presumably in Virginia, Parish of Lurgan, County of Cavan, Ireland m: Bef. 1834 in Presumably in Virginia, Parish of Lurgan, County of Cavan, Ireland ... 2 Elizabeth TERRY b: Abt. February 1834 in Presumably in Virginia, Parish of Lurgan, County of Cavan, Ireland d: July 17, 1899 in No. Bergen, Hudson Co New Jersey Age at death: 65 est. ....... +Dan RAWLINS I b: July 23, 1828 in Sculcoates, Yorkshire England d: Bet. 1864 - October 1865 in Sculcoates, Yorkshire England or lost at sea m: August 05, 1855 in St. George's In The East, London, Middlesex, England Age at death: 36 est. ... *2nd Husband of Elizabeth TERRY: ....... +Robert H PROCTOR I b: March 03, 1836 in Harmston, Lincolnshire, England d: October 31, 1916 in No. Bergen, Hudson Co New Jersey m: October 16, 1865 in Kingston-Upon-Hull, Sculcoates, Yorkshire, England Age at death: 80 ... 2 Thomas TERRY b: Bef. July 28, 1839 in Virginia, Parish of Lurgan, County of Cavan, Ireland ... 2 Violetta Jane TERRY b: Bef. September 01, 1840 in Virginia, Parish of Lurgan, County of Cavan, Ireland ... 2 Samuel TERRY b: Bef. January 09, 1842 in Virginia, Parish of Lurgan, County of Cavan, Ireland ... 2 Rebecca TERRY b: Bef. August 03, 1845 in Virginia, Parish of Lurgan, County of Cavan, Ireland ... 2 Alexander Bernard TERRY b: Bef. October 25, 1846 in Virginia, Parish of Lurgan, County of Cavan, Ireland ... 2 Celia Francis TERRY b: Bef. September 01, 1848 in Virginia, Parish of Lurgan, County of Cavan, Ireland ... 2 Sarah Victoria TERRY b: Bef. July 04, 1850 in Virginia, Parish of Lurgan, County of Cavan, Ireland I've not been able to find anything more on them in County Cavan and it was suggested I try Tipperary, Cork and Limerick counties. Thank you for all your support from the "Heartlands" of America, Nebraska. Charlene Email: mihnbu@aol.com

I have transcribed 3 1/2 pages of Woodley family names from Co Cork originally taken from newspapers, church and court documents. Late 1700 through 1920's. I am willing to search them for your Woodley name(s). Mike

If you enter Hegarty in the IrelandOldNews.com search engine, you will get 32 pages of hits, not necessarily from Cork. Based on death notices from Irish newspapers, Hagerty with an A is more commonly spelled with two Gs, as Haggerty. When spelled with an E, it's always with one G, as Hegarty. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

If you enter fenian or fenians in the IrelandOldnews.com search engine you will get some news items of interest. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Hello, fellow listers. According to family legend, my great greandfather John JONES (born in Kerry about 1836 and stationed in Co Cork from 1860) was dismissed from the Royal Irish Constabulary for ‘sheltering Fenians’. I know he moved to Glasgow in 1873. I have today received his service record which states that his punishments were: John Jones 6.9.1871 fined 10s for " overstaying his leave of absence by 4 hours" 3.12.1873 dismissed for " preferring false & vindictive charges against his Constable & several other irregularities: aggravated by denial" His father in law, Thomas Lohan (born East Galway about 1828 and also stationed in Cork, Goggins Hill) was an acting Constable, having been demoted on 6th Sept 1871 ( a day after his son-in-law’s fine). Punishments as follows: Thos Lohan 20.1.1870 fined £2 for '"delaying unnecessarily when on duty & drinking with civilians (previous conduct very irregular)" 13.1.1874 dismissed for "acting vindictively towards his Constable & drinking with civilians" Does anyone have any views on this? Or know what happened at that time? Apart from a lot of drinking, apparently! It may be that they were actually involved in, or very supportive of, the movement. Alternatively, they may have embellished the facts to give my late aunt her information. Would love to know Any ideas? Rachel

Hi Hoping Dennis Ahern will see this note and contact me re below, have been unable to email inofrmation, keeps bouncing. Regards Ron L ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Lanning To: Dennis Ahern Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 9:10 AM Subject: Ahern Document Hi Dennis i didn`t realise the size of the Document i just emailed to you , if you have access to a Facsimile machine let me have the number and i`ll fax the document to you , failing that i`ll copy the Ahern details and email it to you , just that it`s better to see the original detail and all of the other people on the page and their details , i suppose i could post it to you , if so let me have your postal address. Regards Ron L

Hello, I am trying to find my grfa. who came through in 1887--I have the dates--but not seem to find out which port he had come through. Can SKS, please, help me? Thank you very much. Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> To: "S. TWISS-GRIGGS" <twiss_griggs@uniserve.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 3:56 PM Subject: Re: From Shannah--Re: harvesting clues from Castle Garden > Here it is!!! Good luck! > > http://castlegarden.org/ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "S. TWISS-GRIGGS" <twiss_griggs@uniserve.com> > To: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> > Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 6:49 PM > Subject: From Shannah--Re: harvesting clues from Castle Garden > > >> Ms. Fortado, >> >> Would you, please, send me the new url for Castlegardens? >> >> Thank you very much. >> >> Shannah >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> >> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 6:14 AM >> Subject: Re: harvesting clues from Castle Garden >> >> >> Padraig, I see your point. I was not being as specific when I was >> referring >> to the search. Most of my family have had only "Ireland" recorded as >> place >> of origin - never a county. But at least we would want "Ireland" to be >> there. Occasionally, I suppose depending on who the person in charge of >> the >> manifest was, "Great Britain" is recorded instead of Ireland. >> >> I had hoped FOR YEARS that the Castle Garden records would be indexed. I >> had >> never heard that those indexes were being prepared. If the same folks who >> indexed Ellis Island indexed Castle Garden records, let's hope that >> improvments will be made to the site. I wonder if finances have played a >> role. >> >> Jan >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagáin" <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> >> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2005 10:36 AM >> Subject: Re: harvesting clues from Castle Garden >> >> >>>I still hold the point of view that Castlegarden.org's >>> website leaves very much to be desired - it certainly >>> doesn't compare at all to the Ellis Island site . >>> >>> For example, entering just the surname Galligan for the >>> period 1830-1912 brings up 611 results, of which none >>> indicated the place of last residence, but just four (4) >>> results indicated the port of departure as Limerick. They >>> don't indicate the manifest numbers, so one can't check >>> that aspect out. >>> >>> Their 'Advanced Search' facility does not provide for >>> entering a surname. But for the same period, entering >>> Limerick as the departure port showed a total of over >>> 23,000 names - no details, just a request for $45.- >>> reasonable enough, mind you - to receive the data, which >>> would be over 22,000 non-Galligan names. >>> >>> Even though $45. is reasonable, I would be wasting my time >>> and money, for as I said above, the 611 of the name did not >>> give the place of last residence. In an email I brought >>> these points to their attention, but have not as yet >>> received a reply from them. >>> >>> Pádraig Mór >>> [ An Sean-Ghabhar - Milis agus Dilis!] >>> [The Old Goat - Sweet and Faithful !] >>> >>> **** Please Reply Only to the List **** >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> >>> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Cc: <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> >>> Sent: Friday Aug 12, 2005 9:01 AM >>> Subject: harvesting clues from Castle Garden >>> >>> >>>> >>>> While individual passengers may be listed as "from" >>> Ireland or Great >>>> Britain, it can sometimes be fruitful to determine where >>> the vessel came >>>> from. You can find this by looking at microfilm of the >>> manifest itself. >>>> While the majority of ships left from Liverpool or >>> Queenstown, sometimes >>>> smaller vessels are shown as having originated in places >>> like Youghal or >>>> Waterford, or even Galway. This information can help you >>> focus your >>>> search on a particular region. For example, with so many >>> vessels picking >>>> up passengers in Queenstown, why would someone take a >>> boat from Youghal >>>> unless they lived near there. And it's unlikely that >>> anyone from the >>>> southern counties would make their way to Derry to get a >>> boat for America. >>>> None of this is definitive. It's just deductive >>> reasoning. >>>> >>>> It's also worth looking at the manifest itself to learn >>> how big the vessel >>>> was and how long the voyage took. It doesn't add >>> genealogical >>>> information, but it does tell you something about their >>> experience. >>>> >>>> -dja >>> >>> ______________________________ >> >> ______________________________ >> > >

Hello Everybody, I am trying to find DUNCAN ROSS. When his daughter MARTHA married in 1877 her address was BARRACKS at CORK 8th. and her father was a SERGEANT R.A. I am assuming that R.A. stands for ROYAL ARTILLERY. Can anyone advise me if R.A. stands for anything else, and also suggest where I could get more information about him. Thank you for your time, Syd Hockey.

Bob, According to John Grenham, "The official destruction of the census returns for these two years [1871 & 1881] was commendably thorough." All that remains are transcripts in the Catholic registers of Enniscorthy, Co. Wexford (1861), and Drumcondra and Loughbraclen, Co. Meath (1871). Dave Collins Hudson, MA, USA IRL-CORK-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > #2 1871 Look Up [<bob.newell@ntlworld.com>] > > > > > >______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > 1871 Look Up > From: > <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> > Date: > Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:31:45 +0100 > To: > IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com > > > Hi everyone this is my first go at an Irish list and I don't know what > is available, but here goes. > Looking for the 1871 census in Cork that might include the family of > John Henry NEWBOLD b abt 1870 3 Harbour terrace Cork and his parents > James NEWBOLD and Elizabeth TAYLOR no information I am afraid on these > two. > > Fingers Crossed > Bob Newell >

Hi Bob, The earliest Irish Census to survive in full is the 1901. The 1911 is also available. Your Harbour Terrace in Cork could in fact be Harbour View Terrace which was in the Summerhill North area of Cork City. Regards, Brendan Jones. > Hi everyone this is my first go at an Irish list and I don't know what is > available, but here goes. > Looking for the 1871 census in Cork that might include the family of John > Henry NEWBOLD b abt 1870 3 Harbour terrace Cork and his parents James

Hi Bob, >Subject: 1871 Look Up We all wish there was a 1871 census, but alas it was destroyed. The first available census is for 1901, followed by 1911. Sue

Bob Newell Bob, I think you will need to develop a new strategy for Cork Research. Censuses aren't real helpful until 1901 & 1911, and even then, I think you need to start with the exact address of your family. Films of the BM&D are available through LDS Family History Centers everywhere. But it is possible (if you haven't already done this) to locate the birth registration of this birth and family: John Henry NEWBOLD b abt 1870 3 Harbour terrace Cork and his parents James NEWBOLD and Elizabeth TAYLOR Regards, Candi in California

As I get the digest version of the list, I don't know if anybod has already answered this query. However, to my knowledge, nothing remains of the 1871 census for Cork -- not even fragments -- owing to the destruction of records in the Four Courts fire of 1922. -- Kevin >X-Message: #2 >Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 15:31:45 +0100 >From: <bob.newell@ntlworld.com> >To: IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <003a01c5b614$603ae200$cb610050@default> >Subject: 1871 Look Up >Content-Type: text/plain; > format=flowed; > charset="Windows-1252"; > reply-type=original >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hi everyone this is my first go at an Irish list and I don't know what is >available, but here goes. >Looking for the 1871 census in Cork that might include the family of John >Henry NEWBOLD b abt 1870 3 Harbour terrace Cork and his parents James >NEWBOLD and Elizabeth TAYLOR no information I am afraid on these two. > >Fingers Crossed >Bob Newell > >______________________________