Hi Cliff - I can't answer your question but I have JOHNSONs in Boyle, Co Roscommon in the late 1700s - early 1800s. I haven't yet discovered where they came from. I guess it's possible there were pockets of 'immigrants' in many parts of Ireland. Certainly my Roscommon family had links (possibly around 1800) to Co Cork, partly through the militia movements I think. I believe militia units were moved around the country at the time of the 1798 uprising. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. > Were there any patterns of Scots coming into County Cork in the latter > half of the 1700's and early 1800's? > > My gggrandfather Robert "Red Robin" Johnston was said to have been born in > Co. Cork ca. 1807 to a Scottish born father who married and raised his > family there. Ca. 1832, 3 of his children moved on to Upper Canada, one > dying on the crossing. By the early 1900's our Johnstons who had remained > in Co. Cork had evidently died out. > > This was not a typical Scottish Protestant move from what I've read in the > literature as Northern Ireland seems to have been the major destination > with Co. Fermanagh and Tyrone among the favorites for Johnston/es. Can > anyone shed some light on this for me? > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >

Yes, Ron Lanning, I have often seen Irish marriage (& birth) records with fathers identified as living or dead--with profession. Now, sometimes the death registrations are missing way too much info--no parents or spouse oftentimes. Regards, Candi in California

Patsy, Thanks. I don't seem to be able to open the link. I'll try Googling it in a wee bit. The hunt is heating up... Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia O'Shea" <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> To: "CJMax" <moments-in-time@charter.net>; <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Scottish Protestants in Transit... > Hi again Cliff - indeed it is Bandon where my connections lie. There is a > great deal of Bandon history on the internet, including a complete > transcription of a book by George Bennett - History of Bandon. > > http://www.paulturner.ca/Ireland/Cork/HOB/HOB%20Preface.htm > > There is mention of a General Johnson in Chapter 23. May be of interest - > certainly the story of Bandon is very interesting in an Irish history > context. Bennet of course writes from a rather pro-establishment > perspective but gives a great sweep of information on the whole area. > Hope this is of interest. > Cheers, Patsy > > > >> Another thought for a Scot's presence in Co. Cork is given here: >> Bandon is situated 19miles (40km) from Cork City on N71. It is a small >> market town, and also a great region for angling. >> The town was founded by Richard Boyle, The great Earl of Cork who >> acquired vast Munster Estates and planted them with English and Scottish >> settlers. >> >> Cliff. Johnston >> "May the best you've ever seen, >> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "CJMax" <moments-in-time@charter.net> >> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 6:11 PM >> Subject: Re: Scottish Protestants in Transit... >> >> >>> Patsy, >>> >>> Thanks for your input. It hadn't crossed my mind that there might have >>> been an association with a military action and my ggggrandfather's >>> presence in Co. Cork...one never knows. The timing certainly is right. >>> >>> Cliff. Johnston >>> "May the best you've ever seen, >>> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >>> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Patricia O'Shea" <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> >>> To: "CJMax" <moments-in-time@charter.net>; <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:34 PM >>> Subject: Re: Scottish Protestants in Transit... >>> >>> >>>> Hi Cliff - I can't answer your question but I have JOHNSONs in Boyle, >>>> Co Roscommon in the late 1700s - early 1800s. I haven't yet discovered >>>> where they came from. I guess it's possible there were pockets of >>>> 'immigrants' in many parts of Ireland. >>>> >>>> Certainly my Roscommon family had links (possibly around 1800) to Co >>>> Cork, partly through the militia movements I think. I believe militia >>>> units were moved around the country at the time of the 1798 uprising. >>>> Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Were there any patterns of Scots coming into County Cork in the latter >>>>> half of the 1700's and early 1800's? >>>>> >>>>> My gggrandfather Robert "Red Robin" Johnston was said to have been >>>>> born in Co. Cork ca. 1807 to a Scottish born father who married and >>>>> raised his family there. Ca. 1832, 3 of his children moved on to >>>>> Upper Canada, one dying on the crossing. By the early 1900's our >>>>> Johnstons who had remained in Co. Cork had evidently died out. >>>>> >>>>> This was not a typical Scottish Protestant move from what I've read in >>>>> the literature as Northern Ireland seems to have been the major >>>>> destination with Co. Fermanagh and Tyrone among the favorites for >>>>> Johnston/es. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? >>>>> >>>>> Cliff. Johnston >>>>> "May the best you've ever seen, >>>>> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >>>>> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>>>> >>> >>> >>> ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== >>> Support RootsWeb in data acquisition >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >>> >>> ============================== >>> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >>> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >>> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> >> >> ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== >> RootsWeb, a user-supported enterprise http://www.rootsweb.com/ >> >> ============================== >> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find >> marriage announcements and more. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx >> >>

I am looking for any connections to my John Doody born, approx 1797 and is a "a native" of Fermoy. He married Eliza Power in Ireland, I think Co. Cork. He came to Montreal, Quebec Canada in 1825. He was listed as a butcher? He died in Montreal in 1859. Thank you for any help. Sheila, Ontario.

Another thought for a Scot's presence in Co. Cork is given here: Bandon is situated 19miles (40km) from Cork City on N71. It is a small market town, and also a great region for angling. The town was founded by Richard Boyle, The great Earl of Cork who acquired vast Munster Estates and planted them with English and Scottish settlers. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "CJMax" <moments-in-time@charter.net> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 6:11 PM Subject: Re: Scottish Protestants in Transit... > Patsy, > > Thanks for your input. It hadn't crossed my mind that there might have > been an association with a military action and my ggggrandfather's > presence in Co. Cork...one never knows. The timing certainly is right. > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia O'Shea" <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> > To: "CJMax" <moments-in-time@charter.net>; <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: Scottish Protestants in Transit... > > >> Hi Cliff - I can't answer your question but I have JOHNSONs in Boyle, Co >> Roscommon in the late 1700s - early 1800s. I haven't yet discovered where >> they came from. I guess it's possible there were pockets of 'immigrants' >> in many parts of Ireland. >> >> Certainly my Roscommon family had links (possibly around 1800) to Co >> Cork, partly through the militia movements I think. I believe militia >> units were moved around the country at the time of the 1798 uprising. >> Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. >> >> >> >>> Were there any patterns of Scots coming into County Cork in the latter >>> half of the 1700's and early 1800's? >>> >>> My gggrandfather Robert "Red Robin" Johnston was said to have been born >>> in Co. Cork ca. 1807 to a Scottish born father who married and raised >>> his family there. Ca. 1832, 3 of his children moved on to Upper Canada, >>> one dying on the crossing. By the early 1900's our Johnstons who had >>> remained in Co. Cork had evidently died out. >>> >>> This was not a typical Scottish Protestant move from what I've read in >>> the literature as Northern Ireland seems to have been the major >>> destination with Co. Fermanagh and Tyrone among the favorites for >>> Johnston/es. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? >>> >>> Cliff. Johnston >>> "May the best you've ever seen, >>> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >>> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>> > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb in data acquisition > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hi Hoping someone might be able to Help with the following , i know in most cases in England when the Father of either the Bride or Groom is deceased at the time of their Childs Marriage that this is acknowledged on the Marriage Entry/Cert , does anyone know if the practice of the acknowledgement of a deceased Parent is the same in Ireland, of course i realise that there are always exceptions to anything . Regards Ron Lanning

Patsy, Thanks for your input. It hadn't crossed my mind that there might have been an association with a military action and my ggggrandfather's presence in Co. Cork...one never knows. The timing certainly is right. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia O'Shea" <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> To: "CJMax" <moments-in-time@charter.net>; <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Scottish Protestants in Transit... > Hi Cliff - I can't answer your question but I have JOHNSONs in Boyle, Co > Roscommon in the late 1700s - early 1800s. I haven't yet discovered where > they came from. I guess it's possible there were pockets of 'immigrants' > in many parts of Ireland. > > Certainly my Roscommon family had links (possibly around 1800) to Co Cork, > partly through the militia movements I think. I believe militia units were > moved around the country at the time of the 1798 uprising. > Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. > > > >> Were there any patterns of Scots coming into County Cork in the latter >> half of the 1700's and early 1800's? >> >> My gggrandfather Robert "Red Robin" Johnston was said to have been born >> in Co. Cork ca. 1807 to a Scottish born father who married and raised his >> family there. Ca. 1832, 3 of his children moved on to Upper Canada, one >> dying on the crossing. By the early 1900's our Johnstons who had >> remained in Co. Cork had evidently died out. >> >> This was not a typical Scottish Protestant move from what I've read in >> the literature as Northern Ireland seems to have been the major >> destination with Co. Fermanagh and Tyrone among the favorites for >> Johnston/es. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? >> >> Cliff. Johnston >> "May the best you've ever seen, >> Be the worst you'll ever see;" >> from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay >>

Hi Ron, It is the general rule in Irish Marriage Certs to state whether the father of the bride or groom was deceased. As you say there are always exceptions to the rule. Regards, Brendan Jones. ----- Original Message ----- :18 AM Subject: Marriage Entry/Certs i know in most cases in England when the Father of either the Bride or Groom is deceased at the time of their Childs Marriage that this is acknowledged on the Marriage Entry/Cert , does anyone know if the practice of the acknowledgement of a deceased Parent is the same in Ireland, of course i realise that there are always exceptions to anything . > > Regards > Ron Lanning

Were there any patterns of Scots coming into County Cork in the latter half of the 1700's and early 1800's? My gggrandfather Robert "Red Robin" Johnston was said to have been born in Co. Cork ca. 1807 to a Scottish born father who married and raised his family there. Ca. 1832, 3 of his children moved on to Upper Canada, one dying on the crossing. By the early 1900's our Johnstons who had remained in Co. Cork had evidently died out. This was not a typical Scottish Protestant move from what I've read in the literature as Northern Ireland seems to have been the major destination with Co. Fermanagh and Tyrone among the favorites for Johnston/es. Can anyone shed some light on this for me? Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay

Hi Padraig, Barb, Patsy and Monica, Just a quick thank you for all the emails and info that you have all sent to me, it has been very much appreciated and I have some more clues now as to, where who and what to look for. Kind Regards Jackie. (New Zealand) On 26/09/2005, at 4:08 AM, Pádraig Mór Ó Gealagáin wrote: > The name "Nora" - although in itself, it might be a written as a > complete > name on some legal forms - is generally considered to be a short form > of > Honora(h) or Hanora(h), as are 'Norry' and 'Narry'. "Con" is usually a > short > form for Cornelius, although a person named Conor might also have it > as a > short name. > > Pádraig Mór > An Sean Ghabair > > ***** Replies to the LIST ONLY - Thanks *****

Con is also used as a nickname for Colin in a couple of generations of the Antrim branch of my family. Pat

The name "Nora" - although in itself, it might be a written as a complete name on some legal forms - is generally considered to be a short form of Honora(h) or Hanora(h), as are 'Norry' and 'Narry'. "Con" is usually a short form for Cornelius, although a person named Conor might also have it as a short name. Pádraig Mór An Sean Ghabair ***** Replies to the LIST ONLY - Thanks ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Glassel" <tglassel@execpc.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 9:03 PM Subject: Regans of Inchigeelagh > Greetings Jackie, > Your query set me trying to do an equivalency list of first names, which > I needed when inserting batch numbers into my IGI searches online. > Narry seems to be a separate name, at least in Inchigeelagh, since it > didn't get indexed with Mary or any other first name. Norry must also be > considered a separate name, since it wasn't even equated to Nora. Not > too scientific, just based on searching one parish on the IGI, so in > other part of Cork, different naming customs may well apply. > > I had fun seeing which first names were lumped together by the IGI, at > least for Inchigeelagh. Here are a few first names I checked, which the > IGI considered "equal" to each other: > Jane = Jean = Janny. > Hannah = Nancy = Nantz = Nance = Ann = Anna = Hanna = Anne = Hanora. > Nora = Nora, no others. > Narry = Narry, no others. > Norry = Norry, no others. > Johanna = Joan = Joanny. > Margaret = Peg = Mgt. > Catherine = Kate = Cath. = Cady. > Cornelius = Corn. = Cors. > Con = Con, no others. > Jeremiah = Jeremiha = Jerh., no others. > Darby = Darby, although elsewhere it is supposedly Jeremiah. > James = Jacob = Jim = Jas. > > > > > > I noticed that the dates in the IGI, also the Casey collection for > Inchigeelagh baptisms, for the children of John REGAN and Narry RIORDAN/ > REARDAN, don't fit with ages of Denis REGAN and John REGAN on their army > discharge dates in Bandon. Of course, maybe they were not infants when > baptized. > Incidentally, the IGI lists 3 other children for that couple

Hello ! Looking for info on Richard KINGSTON of Drimoleague, Co. Cork and wife Ann MAHONEY of Skibereen, Co. Cork children: John KINGSTON b. 1822 Paul KINGSTON b. 1824 Rebecca KINGSTON b. ca. 1830 Ann KINGSTON b. 1834 Richard KINGSTON b. 1837 George KINGSTON b. before 1840 Mary KINGSTON b. 1840 The above Paul KINGSTON (1824-1893) m. (in NY) Ellen MAHONEY (1836-1919), also of Drimoleague, Co. Cork. Ellen's parents were Patrick MAHONEY and Mary DONOVAN. Ellen MAHONEY emigrated 1852. Paul KINGSTON probably came about the same time.

Greetings Jackie, Your query set me trying to do an equivalency list of first names, which I needed when inserting batch numbers into my IGI searches online. Narry seems to be a separate name, at least in Inchigeelagh, since it didn't get indexed with Mary or any other first name. Norry must also be considered a separate name, since it wasn't even equated to Nora. Not too scientific, just based on searching one parish on the IGI, so in other part of Cork, different naming customs may well apply. I had fun seeing which first names were lumped together by the IGI, at least for Inchigeelagh. Here are a few first names I checked, which the IGI considered "equal" to each other: Jane = Jean = Janny. Hannah = Nancy = Nantz = Nance = Ann = Anna = Hanna = Anne = Hanora. Nora = Nora, no others. Narry = Narry, no others. Norry = Norry, no others. Johanna = Joan = Joanny. Margaret = Peg = Mgt. Catherine = Kate = Cath. = Cady. Cornelius = Corn. = Cors. Con = Con, no others. Jeremiah = Jeremiha = Jerh., no others. Darby = Darby, although elsewhere it is supposedly Jeremiah. James = Jacob = Jim = Jas. I noticed that the dates in the IGI, also the Casey collection for Inchigeelagh baptisms, for the children of John REGAN and Narry RIORDAN/ REARDAN, don't fit with ages of Denis REGAN and John REGAN on their army discharge dates in Bandon. Of course, maybe they were not infants when baptized. Incidentally, the IGI lists 3 other children for that couple

Hi List, Just joined this list so thought I had best introduce myself before anything else!. My name is Jackie and I live in New Zealand, I have been looking into my family history for the last 4yrs and have only just got round to starting to trace my REGAN and RIORDAN/REARDON and LEAHEY lineages. So far I have the following information (the earliest ancestors John and "Narry" (pet name ?) REGAN nee RIORDAN may be a little hit and miss, as a first port of call I started off at the IGI and found them listed with a son Denis who fits nicely for mine, though I would like this followed up with a parish register entry if anyone can oblige me a look up of some, if there is anyone on the list who thinks they may have a connection, would like to try and find a connection, or can help me out in any way, I would appreciate it and I'd love to hear from you, looking forward to being part of the list. Cheers Jackie New Zealand. -------------- 1 John REGAN ————————————————————————————————————————————— Birth: ? Bandon, Ireland Spouse: Narry RIORDAN Children: Dennis (1825 - 1878) John (1826 - ) 1.1 Dennis REGAN ————————————————————————————————————————————— Death: 13 Oct 1878, Coromandel, New Zealand. Birth: abt 1825, (Bandon, Co. Cork, Ireland listed on NZ death certificate) There is an IGI listing for a Denis REGAN who was christened on the 14 May 1826 at Inchigeelagh Parish, Co. Cork, Ireland, Father John REGAN and Mother Narry RIORDAN (not to sure if this a pet name or if it should be "Mary". According to the following: Webpage: “Bandon, Ireland - Genealogy History: http://www.corkancestors.com/Bandonmisc.htm The National Archives (Public Records Office) online catalogues http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk: It seems possible that if the below "Dennis" is the same Denis as the above, he may also have had a brother named John, as there is a listing for both a Dennis and John REGAN’s discharge from the Army at http://www.corkancestors.com/Bandonmisc.htm REGAN Dennis Born Bandon. Rank: 95 Foot Regt. Discharged Aged 34 Covering dates: 1825-1841 (born 1825, discharged 1841) REGAN John Born Bandon. Rank: 44 Foot Regt. Discharged Aged 37 1826-1844 (born 1826, discharged 1844) ------------------------------- Denis REGAN married Julia LEAHEY about 1850, (Jersey, Channel Islands, given on Denis's death certificate) Children: Margaret Elizabeth (1862-1942) Henry Bill Dennis (1861-1871) Ellen (1870-) 1.1.1 Margaret Elizabeth REGAN ————————————————————————————————————————————— Birth: 1862, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Death: 17 Jul 1942, Huntly, New Zealand Spouse: Angus Henry McNEIL Birth: 6 Mar 1855, Howick, Auckland, New Zealand. Death: 23 Mar 1927. I have reason to believe that Margaret, Henry, Bill and Dennis Jnr, were born in Australia, (still have to get certificates for these) Denis REGAN - arrived to NZ in 1864 on the SWIFTSURE from Melbourne (country of origin UK), aged 38. Already married.

Long day - error notice - #3 Elizabeth Johnston married a White who was a minister. They had 3 children. He died young not too long after their 3rd child. Just laugh at the other errors... Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "CJMax" <moments-in-time@charter.net> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 8:33 PM Subject: JOHNSTON, Robert "Red Robin" & Archibald > Greetings from Sunny Texas (for the moment), > > I'm starting to think that I know what a dog feels like when it's chasing > its tail. I've been searching for the Irish origins of my gggrandfather > Robert "Red Robin" Johnston for the better part of 26 years with no sight > in end - may be... Today I contacted a not-too-distant relative whom I > had met last in 1948. I mentioned that I was working on our family > history. Would he by any chance have any idea as to where in Ireland our > Johnston family came from? His response was a rather quick, "Yes, I > remember talking with my grandfather about the 'old people'. He said that > they were born in County Cork." His grandfather was my ggrandfather, > James Johnston son of Robert "Red Robin" Johnston. That was that. > Nothing more, but he remembered County Cork and that there were two of > them who came over together. > > Ca. 1832 Robert "Red Robin" Johnston, b. ca. 1807 and Archibald Johnston, > b. 1815, came over to Upper Canada and settled on adjacent farms in N. > Plantagenet Twp., Prescott Co.. Red Robin was tall at 6'-5" and of course > had red hair. A recent stroke of good luck put an old Johnston Family > Album of 44 old tintypes of him, his wife and other family members in my > hands. I've restored and retouched them. They can be viewed at: > http://www.pbase.com/cjmax/photo_restoration&page=all > > All of the children were born on the family farm (Upper Canada or Canada > West, now Ontario, Canada) to Robert "Red Robin" Johnston, b. ca. 1807 in > Ireland, d. ca. 1895 in Ontario, Canada, and Mary "May" Frances McQueen, > b. 1819 in Scotland, d. October 8, 1885, in Ontario, Canada. Robert "Red > Robin" Johnston and his brother Archibald, b. 1815 in Ireland, came to > Upper Canada ca. 1832. I do not have the names of Red Robin's parents > although if traditional naming patterns held then his mother could > possibly have been named Margaret. I believe that we are missing his > first born son and cannot use naming patterns to identify his father. > Their children are: > > 1. Catherine Johnston, b. ca. 1835, m. Robert Grant, b. ca. 1830 in > Scotland. They appear to have remained in Ontario. > > 2. Margaret Johnston, b. ca. 1840, d. 1898. Maggie was a weaver and > remained at home on the family farm until her death in 1898. She may have > suffered mild brain damage from a high fever as a child. > > 3. Elizabeth Johnston, b. ca. 1841. She married Robert Grant who was born > in Scotland. > > 4. John McQueen Johnston, b. February 9, 1843, d. 1917, m. Susannah Way, > b. December 4, 1849. They farmed in Prescott Co., Ontario, Canada. > > 5. Isabella Johnston, b. April, 1845, d. 1918, m. John Graves, b. 1838. > They immediately moved to Michigan and settled in the Flint area. > > 6. Robert R. Johnston, b. February, 1847, d. 10-27-1914, m. Mary A. > O'Brien, b. March, 1852 in NY, d. 1928. Robert moved to Michigan in 1869 > with his brother Archy, and met Mary. Mary's partially paralyzed sister > Anna, b. ca. 1858 in MI, lived with them for many years. He worked in the > logging industry while Mary ran a small boarding house in East Tawas, MI, > and Anna helped out. They are located there in the 1880 census. When > they had saved enough money they bought a farm in Central Lake Twp., > Antrim County, MI, where they are found in the 1900 & 1910 censuses. > > 7. Archibald Johnston, b. October, 1850, d. 1940. Archy went to MI with > his brother Robert in 1869. He shows up on the 1920 and 1930 Federal > Censuses in Nahma Twp., Delta County, MI. Apparently Archy was married > twice. His first wife was Esther Carle. His second wife was Ida B., b. > ca. 1851 in NY. Archy and Esther had at least one daughter Alice, b. > 1872, who married Edwin Knowles in 1898. There may have been at one more > daughter, but right now it appears that if there was, she and her mother > may have died close together. Archy may have died in 1940 in Flint, MI. > His family spelled his nickname Archie. > > 8. William Johnston, b. 1853, d. ca. 1897, m. 1885, Sarah A. Johnstone, b. > 1856. They were said to be first cousins. Sarah's family came from > Cahore, Co. Fermanagh, Ireland, where we have located their house which > still stands today and is occupied by another family, and Annan, Scotland. > The Johnstones farmed near Crysler, Finch Twp., Stormont Co., Ontario, > Canada. Several lawyers in the U.S. have come from this union, including > one who married another attorney who was featured in TIME magazine. > Another descendant was elected to the Oklahoma legislature and was given > the task of writing the death penalty law in Oklahoma - the irony being > that he was/is opposed to the death penalty. We met a little over a year > ago and remain in touch. > > 9. Christopher Colin Johnston, b. March 16, 1855, d. 1936, m. Elenor > Sophia McDonald, b. 1859. They eloped to Michigan, marrying in Corunna on > 1-30-1881. Several of their descendants live in and around Midland, > Michigan, today. > > 10. Mabel Johnston, b. March 16, 1855, d. March, 1855. Mabel was > Christopher Colin's twin sister and died shortly after being born. > > 11. James Johnston, b. May 5, 1860, d. 1933, m. January 6, 1885, Isabella > "Belle" Muir, b. May 24, 1864. They took over the Johnston family farm in > N. Plantagenet Twp., sold it ca. 1900, and moved to a new farm in Clarence > Twp., Russell Co., on what is now known as Johnston Road. Jim and Belle > are my great grandparents. The "new" family farm burned down some years > ago and was never rebuilt. James was a very knowledgeable farmer who had > the good fortune to marry an exceptional woman in Belle. During the Great > Depression several of their children with their families returned "home" > when the going got tough in the U.S. and Canada. According to the family, > no one ever missed a meal or went hungry or lacked a bed to sleep in > (although it got plenty crowded with 4 to a bed sometimes, and they didn't > wear their shoes in the summer unless they had to!). > > 12. Arthur Johnston, b. June 17, 1863, d. May, 1949, m. 11-10-1884, Anna > Reid, b. December 17, 1868. They started farming in Prescott Co. where > they remained for the most part of their lives. Their son, John McQueen > Johnston was killed in WWI by a German sniper bullet to the head. He was > with an ammunition train that had brought up a cargo of artillery shells > to the front. He was waiting to meet his cousin, my grandfather Clifford, > who was with the Canadian Field Artillery. John decided to get a closer > look at the German lines while waiting for Clifford and paid the supreme > price for his curiosity. Several of their other children had significant > careers in the field of education. > > 13. Mary Ann Johnston, b. ca. 1865. Mary shows up in the 1871 census. We > have nothing more on her than that. > > 14. Oral family history from at least 2 different sources indicates that > there were 14 children. That means that we are missing one. As the census > records for N. Plantagenet Twp., Prescott Co., are missing for the years > 1841 & 1851, it is more than likely that whoever is missing was probably > born between 1834 and 1839 - given the marriage date of Robert & Mary > (July 22, 1833) and the birth of Margaret in 1840. We were fortunate in > finding Catherine, b. ca. 1835, as she looked after her grandparents where > we found her on a census. The family appears to have followed the > traditional naming patterns with the children that we know about. Mary's > parents were named John and Catherine. Given that, we can deduce that the > missing child is a son, name and year of birth unknown at this time. > > > I've recently had my Y-DNA tested. Unlike most Johns(t)on(e)s who are > testing out R1b, I tested out as I2 indicating a Danish Viking heritage. > There are only a handful of us Johns(t)on(e)s who have tested out > similarly, one of whom has his grandfather's genealogy paperwork which > leads directly back to the Johnstones of Poldean and the Old Gang of > Wamphray in Scotland. > > If you are descended from any of the above or have any information > pertaining to our Johnston family I would like to hear from you. > > Good hunting, > > Cliff. Johnston > Granbury, Texas > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb, a user-supported enterprise http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Greetings from Sunny Texas (for the moment), I'm starting to think that I know what a dog feels like when it's chasing its tail. I've been searching for the Irish origins of my gggrandfather Robert "Red Robin" Johnston for the better part of 26 years with no sight in end - may be... Today I contacted a not-too-distant relative whom I had met last in 1948. I mentioned that I was working on our family history. Would he by any chance have any idea as to where in Ireland our Johnston family came from? His response was a rather quick, "Yes, I remember talking with my grandfather about the 'old people'. He said that they were born in County Cork." His grandfather was my ggrandfather, James Johnston son of Robert "Red Robin" Johnston. That was that. Nothing more, but he remembered County Cork and that there were two of them who came over together. Ca. 1832 Robert "Red Robin" Johnston, b. ca. 1807 and Archibald Johnston, b. 1815, came over to Upper Canada and settled on adjacent farms in N. Plantagenet Twp., Prescott Co.. Red Robin was tall at 6'-5" and of course had red hair. A recent stroke of good luck put an old Johnston Family Album of 44 old tintypes of him, his wife and other family members in my hands. I've restored and retouched them. They can be viewed at: http://www.pbase.com/cjmax/photo_restoration&page=all All of the children were born on the family farm (Upper Canada or Canada West, now Ontario, Canada) to Robert "Red Robin" Johnston, b. ca. 1807 in Ireland, d. ca. 1895 in Ontario, Canada, and Mary "May" Frances McQueen, b. 1819 in Scotland, d. October 8, 1885, in Ontario, Canada. Robert "Red Robin" Johnston and his brother Archibald, b. 1815 in Ireland, came to Upper Canada ca. 1832. I do not have the names of Red Robin's parents although if traditional naming patterns held then his mother could possibly have been named Margaret. I believe that we are missing his first born son and cannot use naming patterns to identify his father. Their children are: 1. Catherine Johnston, b. ca. 1835, m. Robert Grant, b. ca. 1830 in Scotland. They appear to have remained in Ontario. 2. Margaret Johnston, b. ca. 1840, d. 1898. Maggie was a weaver and remained at home on the family farm until her death in 1898. She may have suffered mild brain damage from a high fever as a child. 3. Elizabeth Johnston, b. ca. 1841. She married Robert Grant who was born in Scotland. 4. John McQueen Johnston, b. February 9, 1843, d. 1917, m. Susannah Way, b. December 4, 1849. They farmed in Prescott Co., Ontario, Canada. 5. Isabella Johnston, b. April, 1845, d. 1918, m. John Graves, b. 1838. They immediately moved to Michigan and settled in the Flint area. 6. Robert R. Johnston, b. February, 1847, d. 10-27-1914, m. Mary A. O'Brien, b. March, 1852 in NY, d. 1928. Robert moved to Michigan in 1869 with his brother Archy, and met Mary. Mary's partially paralyzed sister Anna, b. ca. 1858 in MI, lived with them for many years. He worked in the logging industry while Mary ran a small boarding house in East Tawas, MI, and Anna helped out. They are located there in the 1880 census. When they had saved enough money they bought a farm in Central Lake Twp., Antrim County, MI, where they are found in the 1900 & 1910 censuses. 7. Archibald Johnston, b. October, 1850, d. 1940. Archy went to MI with his brother Robert in 1869. He shows up on the 1920 and 1930 Federal Censuses in Nahma Twp., Delta County, MI. Apparently Archy was married twice. His first wife was Esther Carle. His second wife was Ida B., b. ca. 1851 in NY. Archy and Esther had at least one daughter Alice, b. 1872, who married Edwin Knowles in 1898. There may have been at one more daughter, but right now it appears that if there was, she and her mother may have died close together. Archy may have died in 1940 in Flint, MI. His family spelled his nickname Archie. 8. William Johnston, b. 1853, d. ca. 1897, m. 1885, Sarah A. Johnstone, b. 1856. They were said to be first cousins. Sarah's family came from Cahore, Co. Fermanagh, Ireland, where we have located their house which still stands today and is occupied by another family, and Annan, Scotland. The Johnstones farmed near Crysler, Finch Twp., Stormont Co., Ontario, Canada. Several lawyers in the U.S. have come from this union, including one who married another attorney who was featured in TIME magazine. Another descendant was elected to the Oklahoma legislature and was given the task of writing the death penalty law in Oklahoma - the irony being that he was/is opposed to the death penalty. We met a little over a year ago and remain in touch. 9. Christopher Colin Johnston, b. March 16, 1855, d. 1936, m. Elenor Sophia McDonald, b. 1859. They eloped to Michigan, marrying in Corunna on 1-30-1881. Several of their descendants live in and around Midland, Michigan, today. 10. Mabel Johnston, b. March 16, 1855, d. March, 1855. Mabel was Christopher Colin's twin sister and died shortly after being born. 11. James Johnston, b. May 5, 1860, d. 1933, m. January 6, 1885, Isabella "Belle" Muir, b. May 24, 1864. They took over the Johnston family farm in N. Plantagenet Twp., sold it ca. 1900, and moved to a new farm in Clarence Twp., Russell Co., on what is now known as Johnston Road. Jim and Belle are my great grandparents. The "new" family farm burned down some years ago and was never rebuilt. James was a very knowledgeable farmer who had the good fortune to marry an exceptional woman in Belle. During the Great Depression several of their children with their families returned "home" when the going got tough in the U.S. and Canada. According to the family, no one ever missed a meal or went hungry or lacked a bed to sleep in (although it got plenty crowded with 4 to a bed sometimes, and they didn't wear their shoes in the summer unless they had to!). 12. Arthur Johnston, b. June 17, 1863, d. May, 1949, m. 11-10-1884, Anna Reid, b. December 17, 1868. They started farming in Prescott Co. where they remained for the most part of their lives. Their son, John McQueen Johnston was killed in WWI by a German sniper bullet to the head. He was with an ammunition train that had brought up a cargo of artillery shells to the front. He was waiting to meet his cousin, my grandfather Clifford, who was with the Canadian Field Artillery. John decided to get a closer look at the German lines while waiting for Clifford and paid the supreme price for his curiosity. Several of their other children had significant careers in the field of education. 13. Mary Ann Johnston, b. ca. 1865. Mary shows up in the 1871 census. We have nothing more on her than that. 14. Oral family history from at least 2 different sources indicates that there were 14 children. That means that we are missing one. As the census records for N. Plantagenet Twp., Prescott Co., are missing for the years 1841 & 1851, it is more than likely that whoever is missing was probably born between 1834 and 1839 - given the marriage date of Robert & Mary (July 22, 1833) and the birth of Margaret in 1840. We were fortunate in finding Catherine, b. ca. 1835, as she looked after her grandparents where we found her on a census. The family appears to have followed the traditional naming patterns with the children that we know about. Mary's parents were named John and Catherine. Given that, we can deduce that the missing child is a son, name and year of birth unknown at this time. I've recently had my Y-DNA tested. Unlike most Johns(t)on(e)s who are testing out R1b, I tested out as I2 indicating a Danish Viking heritage. There are only a handful of us Johns(t)on(e)s who have tested out similarly, one of whom has his grandfather's genealogy paperwork which leads directly back to the Johnstones of Poldean and the Old Gang of Wamphray in Scotland. If you are descended from any of the above or have any information pertaining to our Johnston family I would like to hear from you. Good hunting, Cliff. Johnston Granbury, Texas "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay

Looking for O'Regan families in County Cork 1800-1900

My own experience looking for HAGGERTY parallels what Sharon Haggerty has described. Dennis HAGGERTY left Ireland, I know not when or where from. In the early 1850s he was likely mining lead in southwest Wisconsin when he met and married my great grandfather's older sister, Margaret KELLY, who was born in Allihies parish, Beara peninsula about 1829 (parish record not available. The marriage was performed in New Diggings at St. Augustine church (still standing), on 20 Aug 1854, by Rev. Samuel Mazzuchelli. Samuel was an Italian missionary who designed and/or helped build at least 10 churches in the upper Midwest of the U.S., and ministered to various immigrant communities. The Irish immigrants, of whom there were many at that time in New Diggings, had difficulty with his Italian name and instead knew him as "Father Kelly" or "Father Matthew Kelly." There were other KELLY family members baptized or married at that church, but Margaret was the only one I know of whose marr! iage was performed by this famous missionary. She and Dennis moved to the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, where copper mining was a popular occupation for Irish immigrants. If you have Irish immigrant ancestors who mined, there is a good chance they came from the Beara peninsula, in or around Allihies, where there also was a copper mine for many years. Some died mining, others mined for awhile then switched to farming when they accumulated enought money to buy land. Dennis and Margaret had two children, one born in MI and the other in WI. Dennis Haggerty returned to New Diggings and enlisted 22 Aug 1862 in Company H, 33rd WI infantry regiment. He survived the war and was mustered out 5 Jun 1865, but apparently died sometime before 1870. His widow remarried to a Sullivan (another ubiquitous Beara name) and his daughters married, one to a Sullivan and the other to a Thornton, and had many children and grandchildren in the upper Midwest of U.S. The 1860 census has them as Haggerty. In the 1870 census the widow and children were Higgerty, and in 1880 the children, now grown, were Haggarty. By the time Margaret KELLY SULLIVAN HAGGERTY died in Iowa, her tombstone read Hegarty. Margaret and her siblings certainly were illiterate when they arrived in the U.S., and I can understand how any of these spellings made perfect sense when the family member pronounced their name in front of a clerk or census taker. I have always been curious about the origins of Dennis HAGGERTY. It has been difficult to trace him back further than the marriage to Margaret KELLY with any reliability. I would love to hear from anyone who thinks he and his progeny fit into their family history. Kevin KELLY in MO "Sharon Haggerty" <smhaggerty@rogers.com> wrote: >The 1901 Irish census noted whether or not people could read and/or write. Even that late, many Irish were not literate. Throughout the 19th century, when many of our Irish ancestors came to North America, those who were not literate had no set spelling for their names. Whenever someone recorded their name, it was spelled however the scribe thought it sounded...

I have 15 spelling variations of Geoghegan in one branch of my family from 1806 to 1882 and after that only 11. On 4 census from 1871 to 1901 there are 8 differences Certificates are a nightmare... Like the man once said. "Signing with a cross doesn't make them religious" and.............. to ignore a spelling as 'not yours' will lengthen your search by years. As it did mine! Geoghegan on the 1881 census was entered as Gaggen and proved to be all my family and I was able to obtain certificate after being stuck for three long years Josi ------------------------------------- Volume 14 of my Newsletter is back on www.btinternet.com/~finty/ See if you can identify the mystery guests ------------------------------------------