Hi Listers, I hoping someone maybe able to help me with this family. Thomas CLERY was an army colonel and married Maria BYRNE. They lived at Annemount Cork city . Their children were, John Thomas married a Miss Scannell. Joseph CLERY married 1 Margaret BLACK and 2 Sophia TWEEDY. He died in Australia. Thomas CLERY, Richard Edward CLERY who married a Mary NELLIGAN,They had two boys John Francis CLERY born 1865 and George CLERY bapt 1869. Both at St Finbarrs Cork city. Maria CLERY died in Hastings Uk. Edward Joseph CLERY priest died Havant Hampshire Uk in 1900. Helena Mary CLERY died of smallpox in 1872 and Ashtonhove Balli? Carrignavar area. Henry Allen CLERY who is my ancestor died in NZ 1879. George Carlton CLERY who married Blanche Bernardus Emily Jane LEE and had three children. Lawrence Lumley CLERY, Carlton Buckley Laming CLERY and Lilian Eileen CLERY who married Sidney Valentine the actor in London I don't know about issue. I am not sure when Thomas and Maria married as I do not have any proper dates. Annemount and all the CLERY estates were sold in Ireland in 1858. I hope there is some family left in Ireland. There is supposed to be a large tombstone to the CLERYS in St Finbarrs cemetery, but inquiries to the council have not turned up anything as I only have Helenas birth date and she may be buried elsewhere. Erin in New Zealand

Good morning list JEREMIAH NAGLE married CATHERINE WINKLE on the 14/2/1845 at DROMTARRIFF I am seeking children from the marriage any help would be very much appreciated Mick

Hi I am new to this list (and to Irish research) and have tracked my wife's line as moving from the Dunmanway area to London around 1846-49. According to the IGI, Alice MANNING married Francis ROBERTS in Fanlobbus in 1846. I note that this is a civil marriage. Would appreciate any advice as to whether the LDS film is likely to give more detail than is shown on the IGI TIA Chris, Cheshire England.

I made an error in the parent name of Daniel Handley. His father's name was Richard Handley of Cork and mother Sarah Winters. Any help would be appreciated. Sorry for the error. Kathy

I'd be very grateful if anyone on the list could provide me with information on Henry Handley and his wife Sarah Winters born around 1800, I think in County Cork. They had at least two sons, Henry and Daniel who emigrated to the US through Canada around 1843. Daniel was born March 6, 1830. That is all the information that I have. Kathy Roberts

The Irish Death Notice Index has been updated to 53,095 entries and has moved to a new location at http://www.irelandoldnews.com/obits/ The entries in this database are of people who were born and/or died in Ireland, or whose deaths were mentioned in Irish newspapers. They have been indexed from newspapers all over the U.S. and Canada, as well as Ireland and elsewhere, including 24,408 entries from The Cork Examiner of the 19th and early 20th century. The Cork Examiner index is complete for the years 1846, 1847, 1855, 1856, 1861 through 1865, 1878, and 1881. The index is not limited to Irish persons, nor is it limited to formal obituaries or death notices. Any mention of an individual's demise, including soldiers killed in far off wars, seamen, fisherman, or passengers lost at sea, homicides, suicides, and any accidental death reported by the coroner. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Hi List I have MICHAEL WINKLE b 1854 CASTLEMAINE am seeking parents and any other children any help would be very much appreciated Mick

I'm not sure how I let this one slip past, but I received the following e-mail from Library Ireland (a division of Books Ulster...... <A HREF="mailto:booksulster@btopenworld.com">booksulster@btopenworld.com</A>). They put a lot of books and articles free on-line. Here's the beginning of their letter from back on 20 Dec.: .............................................................................. ............................................ www.LibraryIreland.com First, we have in our possession two scarce local histories - `Early Irish History and Antiquities and the History of West Cork' by Rev. W. O'Halloran, published in 1916, and `History of the County Kerry: Corkaguiney' by Patrick Foley, published in 1907. We would like to reproduce at least parts of them for the Library, but need to ascertain if they are out of copyright. Despite numerous enquiries we have been unable to find out the dates of these authors, so if you are part of a Cork or Kerry history or genealogical group then perhaps could make some enquiries concerning these histories and, if you have any success, let us know. .............................................................................. ........................................... Perhaps some of you on these lists will have this information. The rest of their letter lists a couple of dozen new items which are available free on-line. They also give an e-mail addy of ..... info@libraryireland.com at the end of their letter. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Happy New Year from Australia where we are melting in 40+ degree temperatures, and that is not farenheit/ Kaye www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: <CAnne16560@aol.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 3:26 PM

Hi All Thanks to all those on the list who posted re cobblery. Happy New Year Judy

GDAY:) Anyone researching DOODY From Co Cork, That may have gone to Co KERRY? My Direct line of DOODY came here from Listowel in Co Kerry in 1880, but family talk is they may have originated in Cork Thankyou Regards from Australia Cathy They were butchers by trade here Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

To all of you Irish "cousins" of mine, and to all my other "cousins" of every nationality, a toast of the old Bailey's Irish Creme to ya! Happy New Year, and may you find everyone you are looking for in 2006! Thank you, Cathy Ryan in sunny Tampa, FL Native of Brooklyn, NY Ongoing Surname Queries as of January 2006 AUSTIN, BALLIN, HRADEL, KOZISKI, KUPECZ, MURPHY, NAGLE, RYAN, SABOL, WALLA, WILLIAMS

According to www.gendocs.demon.co.uk/trades.html/ A COBBLER A person who mended shoes and boots. A SADDLER A person who made saddles, harnesses, horse collars, bridles etc. ********************** According to www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=cobbler "Cobbler" c.1287, cobelere "one who mends shoes," of uncertain origin. "The cobbler should stick to his last" (ne sutor ultra crepidam) is from the anecdote of Gk. painter Apelles. [The quote is variously reported: Pliny ("Natural History" XXXV.x.36) has ne supra crepidam judicaret, while Valerius Maximus (VIII.xiii.3) gives supra plantam ascendere vetuit.] The meaning [as in a] "pie" is Amer.Eng. 1859, perhaps related to 14c. cobeler "wooden bowl." ********************** WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University defines Cobbler n 1: a person who makes or repairs shoes [syn: shoemaker] 2: tall sweetened iced drink of wine or liquor with fruit 3: made of fruit with rich biscuit dough usually only on top of the fruit [syn: deep-dish pie] ****************** In my time when I lived in Limerick city, the term 'Cobbler' was becoming archaic, but the generally understood meaning was one who repaired/made outer footwear. Pádraig Mór An Sean Ghabair ***** Replies to the LIST ONLY - Thanks ***** ----- Original Message ----- From: "CJMax" <moments-in-time@charter.net> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 3:52 PM Subject: Re: please define cobblery > Cobblery refers to saddles and harnesses as opposed to a shoemaker - at > least in Texas - actually most often used here in association with fine > leather working. As for Ireland - don't know... > > Cliff. Johnston > "May the best you've ever seen, > Be the worst you'll ever see;" > from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "hassall" <rhassall@axion.net> > To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:36 PM > Subject: please define cobblery > > > > Hi there > > Happy New Year. > > > > My ancestor established a cobblery in Cork after 1815. I believe cobblery > > to > > be defined as a place where a person makes or repairs shoes or boots. Is > > there more I should know about what a cobblery was? Did they fix saddles > > or > > other leather items? > > > > thanks for reading this > > Judy in Canada > > > > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > > Threaded archives for IRL-CORK can be found at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/irl-cork > > > > ============================== > > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb in data acquisition > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 12/30/05 >

Cobblery refers to saddles and harnesses as opposed to a shoemaker - at least in Texas - actually most often used here in association with fine leather working. As for Ireland - don't know... Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "hassall" <rhassall@axion.net> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 1:36 PM Subject: please define cobblery > Hi there > Happy New Year. > > My ancestor established a cobblery in Cork after 1815. I believe cobblery > to > be defined as a place where a person makes or repairs shoes or boots. Is > there more I should know about what a cobblery was? Did they fix saddles > or > other leather items? > > thanks for reading this > Judy in Canada > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Threaded archives for IRL-CORK can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/irl-cork > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Hi there Happy New Year. My ancestor established a cobblery in Cork after 1815. I believe cobblery to be defined as a place where a person makes or repairs shoes or boots. Is there more I should know about what a cobblery was? Did they fix saddles or other leather items? thanks for reading this Judy in Canada

Hello Again! Within the last half an hour I have managed to find out some more information on the above! His father was definitely DANIEL O'BRIEN though of course he second name spelling alters from census to census. He was born about 1811 in Ireland - I have found both DANIEL and his wife CATHERINE also born about 1811/12 on the 1851 census for GLAMORGAN WALES. At the time he was a dock worker. Living with them is JOHN, their son aged 13, a Mason's Labourer and their other son, CHARLES, aged 4 also born in Ireland. Also residing with them recorded as a VISITOR is JEREMY or perhaps JOSEPH (?) married aged 35 (born about 1816) a BLACKSMITH with his son JOHN born Ireland aged 12 also a Mason's Labourer. I'm guessing that JEREMY could be Daniel's brother. Any pointers or information would be very gratefully received! Happy New Year, Julie Blackman

Dear List! Have just this second subscribed - I'm desperately seeking any information, no matter how small, on how to progress my research into my husband's O'Brien family. The above JOHN O'BRIEN relocated to CARDIFF, WALES sometime at the end of the 1850's start of the 1860s. His first son was born in 1863. He married in Cardiff and his father's name was given as DANIEL O'BRIEN, JOURNEYMAN DYER. Although I have no concrete evidence (all census put his birth place just as Ireland) all relatives are convinced that the family hailed from County Cork. Does anyone know of the next step I could take to perhaps find a record of his birth? I cannot find any siblings. It's a shame it's such a common name, but perhaps with his father's name it could narrow things down a little . . . . . . . . . . any suggestions? Thanks in anticipation! Julie Blackman

I got tapped for $80 and got zip. I don't know how complete their records are... Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: <B1house@aol.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 1:13 PM Subject: Cobh Genealogical Project > Does anyone know the current fee in US dollars for a preliminary search of > Church of Ireland records? Their website indicates $30, however, I'm > wondering > if it is up to date. > > Bonnie > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb, a user-supported enterprise http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Does anyone know the current fee in US dollars for a preliminary search of Church of Ireland records? Their website indicates $30, however, I'm wondering if it is up to date. Bonnie

Hi List My first time here. I have been on the Dublin list. Asking questions about my 4x Greatgrandfather Edward Honner Apothacary 21 Clare St Dublin . Some one has seen my name HONNER in County Cork. So i was wondering if they were in Cork before Dublin. How far is it btween these 2 places. I cant get any marriage or death Cert to help me. Is there any mention of this name, in any records. Happy New Year from Judy Beggs ( nee Honner). New South Wales Australia It is 35 Degrees at the moment . HOT