My great grandfather, Daniel Deasy, had a daughter, Mary Catherine, born 12 Oct 1867 in Ahidelake. His wife, her mother, was Mary Driscoll. I am trying to get more information about this family. Is anyone out there sharing the same line? Priscilla -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.0.0/267 - Release Date: 22/Feb/06

Patsy at pkoshea@xtra.co.nz writes: > thanks also for the clarification of the townlands north of the river, presumably in the parish of Kilbrogan. < That's right, Patsy. I didn't mention it, but there is also a long, tapered point of Kilbrogan townland which wedges itself between Coolfadda and Knockbrogan townlands, perhaps piercing all the way southward to the river, and thereby separating them completely. This southernmost point appears to be at the location of an old C. of I. church on the north side of the river, and its inclusion in the townland may have been the reason for such an odd extension of Kilbrogan tld. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Patsy at pkoshea@xtra.co.nz writes: << I see that it is in Ballymodan, Bandon. Does anyone know if it is actually right in the township of Bandon? >> It sure is, Patsy. The central part of the town, from the river southward is all Cloghmacsimon townland. Gully townland covers quite a bit of the western end of the town, Clogheenavodig represents much of the eastern end of the town. Coolfadda and Knockbrogan townlands represent most of the area of Bandon town on the north side of the Bandon River. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Patsy, It can be difficult to identify the location of properties once you find them in Griffith's Valuation. But this process has just been made a lot easier, thanks to the Origins website. I have given the URL below, together with a copy of the explanation of the maps given on this website. Go to the Irish Origins section of the website. I have had great success using these Origins maps. You get a very clear map of the property and its neighbours to download. It identifies the boundaries of every property in Griffith's valuation (GV). You will have noticed that each property in GV is identified with a number and a letter, 1a 1b 1c 1d 2a 2b 2c etc. These are actually the key to the maps and each property boundary is clearly marked on the map with the number and letter written in the centre of each property. Its a pay site, that's the down side. But for anyone wanting to identify their family's property, its well worth it. I would suggest that the best value can be obtained by joining the Society of Genealogist's in London. http://www.sog.org.uk/ If you live outside Britain, it costs £25 with a £10 joining fee. For that, apart from all the usual benefits such as a magazine and free use of the library should you ever be in London, you get one free session every quarter on the Origins webpage. Access directly costs £7.50/72 hours. But there's far more to the site than just these Griffith's maps and you may find 72 hours is not nearly enough. http://www.originsnetwork.com/ "Irish Origins subscribers can access the authentic maps images associated with Griffith's Valuation Survey of Ireland, and covering all Counties. The Ordnance Survey (OS) maps and town plans used by the team working on Griffith's Primary Valuation during 1847-1864 still exist, marked up and annotated by those working on the Primary Valuation and subsequently by Valuation Office personnel. Some of them contain notes made and signed by Richard Griffith himself. The maps used within the counties of the Republic of Ireland have all been digitised by the Valuation Office who have kindly given permission to make them available on Irish Origins. The originals, now held by the National Archives of Ireland, are not accessible by the public. Please Note: Unfortunately we do not have maps of Northern Ireland at this time (Counties: Antrim, Armagh, Londonderry, Down, Fermanagh, Tyrone). " However, Cloughmacsimon is 'on the outskirts of Bandon' and should you have a spare 3 million euros you could buy some of it! http://www.mgalvin.ie/m_galvins/pages/properties/cloughmacsimonland/ details.htm Use Google searches to find other references to Cloughmacsimon. Kind regards, Kae Lewis > > From: "Patricia O'Shea" <pkoshea@xtra.co.nz> > Date: February 21, 2006 10:21:45 PM EST > To: IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Cloughmacsimon, Bandon > > > Hi listers. I have come across a reference to this townland and I > see that it is in Ballymodan, Bandon. Does anyone know if it is > actually right in the township of Bandon? I have a map reference > from the Griffiths which suggests it is, but I cannot pick it up on > the map itself. > Comments/suggestions welcomed. > Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand. > >

Hi listers. I have come across a reference to this townland and I see that it is in Ballymodan, Bandon. Does anyone know if it is actually right in the township of Bandon? I have a map reference from the Griffiths which suggests it is, but I cannot pick it up on the map itself. Comments/suggestions welcomed. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand.

To any and all: The above entry in the Townlands Listings is causing some wonderment (to me, anyway) on an Irish Placenames Studies mailing list. There is no Clonderalaw in Clondulane civil parish on the current Discovery maps, nor is it shown on the Townland Index maps, nor any other maps or books I have. We know about the Clonderalaw in Co. Clare, and this came out as an "aside". Others have speculated that it might be another name for the village of Clondulane. Has anyone seen any entries in various genealogical records for this part of Co. Cork (just east of Fermoy) which refer to Clonderalaw? Inquiring minds - one, anyway - would like to know. TIA. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

For a few years I have photographed family homes and gravesites at some of Oakland's cemeteries for _www.RAOGK.org_ (http://www.RAOGK.org) . Some graves are just too gorgeous not to share. Someday I hope this helps somebody. At St Mary's cemetery in Oakland, California, I found this large very old headstone: In Memory of Patrick LEAHY Beloved husband of Mary LEAHY A native of County Cork, Parish of Watergrasshill, Ireland DIED Nove 19, 1871 aged 33 years May his Soul Rest in Peace Regards, Candi in CA

Unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 6:29 AM Subject: Re: New to the Ireland lists > > celia ewald <celia936@ec.rr.com> said: > > >Catherine Newman born in Longford, County of Leinster, Ireland May 1839 > > That would be County Longford, in the Province of Leinster. The four > provinces of Ireland are Munster, Leinster, Ulster and Connaught. County > Cork is in the southernmost province of Munster. Dublin is in Leinster. > Ulster has nine counties, only six of which are in Northern Ireland. > Connaught is where Oliver Cromwell vowed to send rebels if not to hell. > > See http://www.cultureireland.com/maps/ for a map of the provinces. > > -dja > > > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb in data acquisition > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---1068857017-745762979-1139747568=:349207 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE elista <elista@telusplanet.net> said: >They came to Ontario, Canada, sometime around 1846/47, possibly during the= =20 >Potatoe Famine. Canada did not keep ship passenger records from that time,= =20 >that I am aware of. Bartholomew and Mary (Kelly) Cairns had two sons born =09http://www.archives.ca/ =09The National Archives of Canada =09http://www.inGeneas.com/free/main.html =09Canadian Immigration Index =09http://www.genealogie.gc.ca/06/0602_e.html =09Immigrants at Grosse-=CEle =09http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~holdenclan/albans.htm =09Canadian Border Crossings - St. Alban's Lists =09http://www.theshipslist.com/Research/canadarecords.htm =09Research Guide to Canadian Passenger Records =09http://www.kawartha.net/~jleonard/robinson.htm =09Peter Robinson Assisted Emigrants to Canada http://www.statcan.ca/english/Subjects/Standard/sgc/1996/1996-sgc-index.htm =09Geographic Locations in Canada ---1068857017-745762979-1139747568=:349207--

celia ewald <celia936@ec.rr.com> said: >Catherine Newman born in Longford, County of Leinster, Ireland May 1839 That would be County Longford, in the Province of Leinster. The four provinces of Ireland are Munster, Leinster, Ulster and Connaught. County Cork is in the southernmost province of Munster. Dublin is in Leinster. Ulster has nine counties, only six of which are in Northern Ireland. Connaught is where Oliver Cromwell vowed to send rebels if not to hell. See http://www.cultureireland.com/maps/ for a map of the provinces. -dja

I don't know whether this will be much help but on page 275 of the LDS film of in the Parish Cess book (Rates) of St John's the Evangelist Church, Dublin, there is entered in 1621, a Thomas NEYLE, also spelt NEVELL, described as a Vitler ( wine seller), late CLEMENTS, his address The Wood Key. I made a note of this entry because some of my CLEMENTS Huguenot family in Cork were associated with the wine trade there. Barbara Holt in New Zealand

I, also, only know that my ancestors came from County Cork, and not much more. They came to Ontario, Canada, sometime around 1846/47, possibly during the Potatoe Famine. Canada did not keep ship passenger records from that time, that I am aware of. Bartholomew and Mary (Kelly) Cairns had two sons born in Ireland before leaving, Patrick ( b.1841) and Michael (b.1843), and the rest of the family was born in Ontario. They were Catholic, so would you advise starting by paying the Mallow centre to do a search for them in the parish records? At least I would know approximate dates. And I could guess at the marriage date as well. Bartholomew was born about 1817, and Mary about 1821. They could have been married around 1840 or so. Another problem is that while they had the surname of Cairns in Canada, I was told it could have been Kerns or Kearns in Ireland. How can one know this for sure, or would you search each spelling? Without knowing the town/parish, is this an impossible task? Any suggestions on how I could go about finding these people in Ireland would be gratefully appreciated. Thank you, Judy, in Alberta. On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Ginny Pietsch wrote: > Thank you Dennis. This will be a wonderful help to me. I have had no > luck in finding out where my gr.grandfather was from in Ireland. The > only thing I know is that he was from County Cork. His name is > Patrick Neville and DOB: 1849. I appreciate the help. They did not begin civil registration of birth in Ireland until 1864. You will have to find his baptism in a parish record. If he was Church of Ireland the records may have been destroyed in the 1922 fire at the Four Courts in Dublin. If he was Catholic, there is a heritage centre in Mallow that has indexed parish records for the Diocese of Cloyne. Unfortunately, this covers only north and east Cork. The rest of county Cork is in the Diocese of Cork & Ross, for which there is no index.

Hello. I'm wondering if anyone can assist me in learning how to get information on my Irish-born ancestors. I have them in the United States but do not know how to get their birth information from Ireland. I have heard that the Ireland records are gone (burned, lost?). What I know from the U.S. censuses is this: Catherine Newman born in Longford, County of Leinster, Ireland May 1839 Thomas Fox same as above but born about 1829 Never found the following ancestors in the census but found their son, Denis Hurley, who was born in England and moved to New York: Thomas Hurley born (County Cork?) about 1818 Julia (LNU) born (County Cork) about 1816 Not much to go on, I know, and I'm using County Cork only because my dad used to point to the map of Ireland and tell us our grandparents were from there. Thanks for any replies. Celia Ewald

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Ginny Pietsch wrote: > Thank you Dennis. This will be a wonderful help to me. I have had no > luck in finding out where my gr.grandfather was from in Ireland. The > only thing I know is that he was from County Cork. His name is > Patrick Neville and DOB: 1849. I appreciate the help. They did not begin civil registration of birth in Ireland until 1864. You will have to find his baptism in a parish record. If he was Church of Ireland the records may have been destroyed in the 1922 fire at the Four Courts in Dublin. If he was Catholic, there is a heritage centre in Mallow that has indexed parish records for the Diocese of Cloyne. Unfortunately, this covers only north and east Cork. The rest of county Cork is in the Diocese of Cork & Ross, for which there is no index. See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/Cork.htm Cork Family Heritage Centres computerizing parish records Provides search service for a fee See http://tiara.ie/results.htm for customer comments http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/munster/index_co.htm Cork sources for genealogy http://www.sci.net.au/userpages/mgrogan/cork/ire.cork.htm Searchable Pages for County Cork http://www.corkcorp.ie/ourservices/rac/archives/ Cork Archives Institute http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/ County Cork GenWeb http://tiara.ie/cork.html Local historical societies in County Cork http://homepage.tinet.ie/~chasoc/index.html Cork Historical & Archaeological Society http://www.skibbheritage.com/index.htm Skibbereen Heritage Centre http://www.4qd.org/youghal/ Youghal Genealogy http://www.ginnisw.com/Cork%20Landowners%201876/Thumb/Thumbs1.htm Landowners in County Cork 1876 http://members.cox.net/hayes1966/guy.htm Guy's Postal Directory 1914 for County Cork http://www.execpc.com/~mcarthey/Irish%20Ancestors/IA-Estate%20records.html Estate Records of County Cork http://www.corkcorp.ie/ourservices/rac/library/ Cork City Library http://www.henneberry.org/data/corkparishes.htm Parishes of County Cork http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/4889/civil.html The Civil and Catholic Parishes of County Cork http://www.execpc.com/~mcarthey/Irish%20Ancestors/IA-Church%20records.html Roman Catholic Church Records for County Cork http://www.cork.anglican.org/Genealogical%20stuff/Cobhgen.html Church of Ireland Parishes of County Cork http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/cork.html County Cork Genealogy Links http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/igsi_published/casey.htm Casey bibliography of North Cork; "O'Kief, Coshe Mang, Slieve Lougher and the Upper Blackwater" http://www.xs4all.nl/~tbreen/Journals/Cork.html Journal of the Cork Historical & Archaeological Society http://www.foundmark.com/Ireland/lists/DownMap/BigMap.JPG Map of Cork County http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/hanson/mapindex.html Civil Parish Maps of County Cork http://www.corkcorp.ie/maps/ Detailed Street Map of Cork City http://www.sci.net.au/userpages/mgrogan/cork/cork_map1.htm Baronies of County Cork http://homepage.tinet.ie/~aocoleman/ Cork Genealogical Society http://www.familia.org.uk/services/eire/cork_city.html Cork City Library Family History Resources http://www.corkandross.org/ Diocese of Cork & Ross http://www.sci.net.au/userpages/mgrogan/cork/cork_map2.htm Map of the Diocese of Cork and Ross http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~colin/Ireland/CorkGraveyards.htm Graveyards of County Cork http://www.askaboutireland.com/pilots/four/index_main.html Estate Papers of County Cork http://www.cork.anglican.org/Parishes_overview.htm Church of Ireland parish registers database for County Cork

From The Irish Times, 9 November 1922 - FIGHT NEAR MACROOM. A successful action by national forces against a large concentration of Republicans is reported from Carriganimmy, between Macroom and Millstreet. On Monday an armoured car left Macroom for Millstreet. On the return journey the road was found to be blocked, and an officer sent a wireless message to Macroom, from which soldiers were despatched in the direction of Millstreet. They found that the Republicans, who are believed to have been under command of Sean Moylan, M.P., were encamped in strong positions. Both sections of the national Army arrived at Carriganimmy about the same time and engaged the Republicans. After two hours' fighting the Republicans retreated across country. They were pursued for some distance and scattered. Their exact loses are unknown, but it is believed that they were heavy. On the other hand, the national troops had one casualty--Captain McDermott, wounded. Yesterday afternoon, shortly after two o'clock, the Coburg street branch of the Provincial Bank, Cork, was raided by armed men, who got away with a considerable sum of money. The barracks at Glanmire, near Cork, was attacked from three points on Tuesday night. The troops replied to the fire of the Republicans, who retreated after an exchange of shots. During the attack a girl was wounded, but only very slightly. The garrison suffered no casualties. The telegraph wires between Killeagh and Youghal having been cut on Tuesday night, the 9 o'clock morning train from Youghal arrived in Cork considerably over an hour late. The wires between Fermoy and Cork were also cut on Tuesday night, with the result that there was yesterday no telegraphic or telephonic communication with Fermoy. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

On Tue, 7 Feb 2006, Mary Simpson wrote: > Has anyone done any research on the likely routes from Kerry / Cork to London > after the famine? I know that a lot is known on the trans-Atlantic routes > to Canada and the USA, with names of passengers and ships etc. etc., but is > there any Info on Ireland - England routes? > > All or any advice gratefully received, Based on my reading of shipping news in the mid-19th century Cork Examiner, those wishing to go from Cork or Kerry to England would most likely take one of the vessels from Cork or Queenstown to Liverpool. As it wasn't until the late 1850s or early 1860s that larger steam powered vessels began to call regularly at Queenstown to pick up additional passengers for North America, this was the customary route for emigrants leaving Munster. There were of course, small vessels that occasionally took passengers from lesser ports bound for England and Wales. Colliers, for example, rather than return to Welsh ports empty, would take on passengers at very low fares in accomodations that were scarcely adequate to human comfort. Keep in mind, however, that it is unlikely you will find any records anywhere of the names of passengers travelling from one part of the United Kingdom to another. The exception to this is if the vessel was lost and a list of casualties and/or survivors was published in a newspaper. See http://immigrantships.net/newsarticles/newsarticles.html for examples. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Immigrant Ships Transcribers Guild, Irish Maritime News Acton, Mass. | http://immigrantships.net/newsarticles/newsarticles.html - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

IRL-CORK-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 22 > #2 EMAIL ADDRESS FOR PROFESSIONAL GEN ["Julie Blackman" <julie@chatwood.e] > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > EMAIL ADDRESS FOR PROFESSIONAL GENEALOGISTS THOMAS O'LEARY OF > CLONAKILTY, COUNTY CORK > From: > "Julie Blackman" <julie@chatwood.eclipse.co.uk> > Date: > Tue, 7 Feb 2006 08:53:02 -0000 > To: > IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com > > >Hi List, > >I should like to get the help of the above genealogist and would like to email him, would anyone on the list have his email address? We have an 80th Birthday in a few weeks, and I hoping to get some information as soon as possible, using the postal service would, I think, slow things down considerably! > >Thanks in advance, > >Julie > Julie, See <http://indigo.ie/~gorry/ProGen.html> Dave Collins > >

Hi List, I should like to get the help of the above genealogist and would like to email him, would anyone on the list have his email address? We have an 80th Birthday in a few weeks, and I hoping to get some information as soon as possible, using the postal service would, I think, slow things down considerably! Thanks in advance, Julie

Paula, Civil Registration of BMD was begun in 1864, so if John Mason was born in 1864 or after, his birth should be listed. Your best bet is to search the birth indexes, which are available at the LDS Family History Centers. It's a fairly labor intensive project but worth the effort. Once you've found the index record, you can send a request to the GRO for a certificate or photo copy of the actual record. Dave Collins IRL-CORK-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >IRL-CORK-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 21 > >Today's Topics: > #2 MASON ["Paula" <p.ath@virgin.net>] > > > > > > > Subject: > MASON > From: > "Paula" <p.ath@virgin.net> > Date: > Mon, 6 Feb 2006 09:49:52 -0000 > To: > IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com > > >I am new to this list. Is there any way I can look for the birth of JOHN MASON in County Cork?. He was born about 1864. Is there anything similar to the free BMD that is available for England Scotland and Wales? >Paula > >

I am new to this list. Is there any way I can look for the birth of JOHN MASON in County Cork?. He was born about 1864. Is there anything similar to the free BMD that is available for England Scotland and Wales? Paula