Thankyou Candi for your reply. I may have to call on someone to help with a lookup as , although I don't live too far from an LDS centre it will be difficult for me to get there. I have already received so much help from folk, on other lists, that I'm loathe to ask for more. Rita in West OZ

I've recently spent three days in Dublin searching for a 'needle in a haystack' for Margaret, daughter of John and Alice, Ellise or Ellen Hourihane born somewhere in West Cork c. 1847. Her family moved to Wigan, Lancashire by 1851 where she is the youngest daughter with siblings Patrick, Mary, Anne, Rose, Michael & John. By 1871 they were all known as HORAN. The nearest I found was Margaret daughter of Curly HOURICAN & Ellen Tobin of Gorladoo 25th May 1846 in Durras RC records. I also found a Margaret d.o. John HOARIHAN & Norri HAURHAN 2nd January 1848 of Rossmore in the same parish record. Does anyone know if Curly could be a nickname for John or Norrie for Ellen? The saddest record I found was in Castlehaven & Myross where the priest has written in August 1847 'a dreadful year of famine', and in November 1847 'all are dying of starvation'. There were very few births that year. This put my own fruitless search in perspective. Is anyone else looking for this family? They may be related to the Hourihane family who moved to Soth Wales at about the same time, but I can't be sure about this. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/304 - Release Date: 07/04/2006

Greetings, I have "Horrigans", also known as "Harrigan", "Horgan" and a bunch of others. I wonder if they are related to your "Horans". I also have Wheltons, which is a variant of "Houlihan" - these are from Cork. I think its difficult to pin down because of the British translators versions of Irish names. All the best, Mary Ellen Searching: Whelton, Horrigan, McCarthy, O'Connor --- gilliananne <gilliananne.thompson@ntlworld.com> wrote: > I've recently spent three days in Dublin searching > for a 'needle in a > haystack' for Margaret, daughter of John and Alice, > Ellise or Ellen > Hourihane born somewhere in West Cork c. 1847. Her > family moved to > Wigan, Lancashire by 1851 where she is the youngest > daughter with > siblings Patrick, Mary, Anne, Rose, Michael & John. > By 1871 they were > all known as HORAN. > > The nearest I found was Margaret daughter of Curly > HOURICAN & Ellen > Tobin of Gorladoo 25th May 1846 in Durras RC > records. I also found a > Margaret d.o. John HOARIHAN & Norri HAURHAN 2nd > January 1848 of Rossmore > in the same parish record. > > Does anyone know if Curly could be a nickname for > John or Norrie for > Ellen? > > The saddest record I found was in Castlehaven & > Myross where the priest > has written in August 1847 'a dreadful year of > famine', and in November > 1847 'all are dying of starvation'. There were very > few births that > year. This put my own fruitless search in > perspective. > > Is anyone else looking for this family? They may be > related to the > Hourihane family who moved to Soth Wales at about > the same time, but I > can't be sure about this. > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/304 - > Release Date: > 07/04/2006 > > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Threaded archives for IRL-CORK can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/irl-cork > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million > records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the > world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

dmccoy-rea <dmccoy@rea-alp.com> said: >I am looking for DENNIS MC COY who our family history says was a "seaman" It's a long shot, but you might take a look at the following: http://www.dun-laoghaire.com/dir/maritime.html National Maritime Museum of Ireland http://www.glamorganfamilyhistory.co.uk/maritime/Site.html Maritime Research and Seamen and consider the fact that seamen sometimes show up in the newspapers as litigants or defendants in court cases, such as suing a ship owner over lost wages, or being charged by a ship captain with failure to fulfil a contract. Anbd of course there is always the possibility of their being listed among the survivors or the lost in a shipwreck, such as the following: M'COY, George; ; Plymouth DEV ENG>at sea ; Cork Examiner (COR IRL); 1864-7-2 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

If you manage to track your lost sailor to a specific port and then lose the trail, look at the obituaries in local newspapers for that port and also check the coroner's office for possible photos of sailors whose bodies were recovered after drowning - not exactly glamour shots, but recognizable more often than not. In the case of my late uncle we knew that his father had disappeared at the NYC harbor. Waterfront gangs were very common then. The coroner's office there has almost 400 photos (something like 385 +/- when I checked years ago) of sailors who were probably murdered, robbed and rolled into the water during the 1920's. Such waterfront gangs commonly preyed upon seamen at most ports around the world. It was simpler for the captain of the ship to list them as having not returned to the ship (deserter). Local authorities found it easier to write them off as accidental drownings. It's a case where all responsible parties looked the other way, quickly and quietly. Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2006 8:11 AM Subject: Re: Sailors from Cork > > dmccoy-rea <dmccoy@rea-alp.com> said: > >>I am looking for DENNIS MC COY who our family history says was a "seaman" > > It's a long shot, but you might take a look at the following: > > http://www.dun-laoghaire.com/dir/maritime.html > National Maritime Museum of Ireland > > http://www.glamorganfamilyhistory.co.uk/maritime/Site.html > Maritime Research and Seamen > > and consider the fact that seamen sometimes show up in the newspapers as > litigants or defendants in court cases, such as suing a ship owner over > lost wages, or being charged by a ship captain with failure to fulfil a > contract. Anbd of course there is always the possibility of their being > listed among the survivors or the lost in a shipwreck, such as the > following: > > M'COY, George; ; Plymouth DEV ENG>at sea ; Cork Examiner (COR IRL); > 1864-7-2 > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts > Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb, a user-supported enterprise http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I'm glad to hear Kilbury is cleaned up. I had quite the time a few years ago finding cousin, Patrick Murphy's, aka Sonny/Scout burial site.

I found my grgrandfather from Cork's Navy record at the National Archives at Kew site http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: "dmccoy-rea" <dmccoy@rea-alp.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 7:25 AM Subject: Sailors from Cork > Can anyone help? I am looking for DENNIS MC COY who our family history > says > was a "seaman" and believe him to have lived in Cork, sometime between > 1812 > and 1845. I can't find his place of birth which the family says was > "either" > Cork or Donegal. I am wondering if there are any lists or anything along > that line which would show ships and crews during that time period. I > believe he had another brother that was also a seaman. I would be most > grateful for any help. > > Dorothy > MN USA > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 4/6/2006 > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb in data acquisition > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

A reminder of the O'Dwyer clan Rally to be held at Tipperary Town at the Ramada Inn on the Limerick Road on Sept. 15-17th, 2006. The hotel is beautiful and the company will be fantastic. The schedule of events is not yet up on the O'Dwyer Clan website http://www.dwyerclan.com/clanrally2006.htm but should be in the next week or so. There will be music and great food as well as a lot of history of the O'Dwyer's and a bus tour of the castles known to have been owned by the O'Dwyer's and places associated with the O'Dwyer's. Should you wish to attend and stay at the Ramada, it is necessary to tell them at the time you book your room that it is part of the block allocated to the O'Dwyer Clan rally. Whether you fly in to either Dublin or Shannon, you don't have to rent a car until you get down to Limerick Junction as you can take the train from either Dublin or Limerick City [bus from Shannon to Limerick City]; Dan Dooley has great rates for rental cars and they are located about a mile from the Ramada. The hotel provides pick-up from the train station. For all of you who may not belong to the clan, I have permission to send a free copy of the latest newsletter to entice you all to join. A copy of the Journal, "The O'Dwyer Diaspora" to be launched at the rally will be available by e-mail after the rally ends. Janet

Charles Edward Dougherty Rita, keep trying for MACK, but try to gather his birthdate (military records?) and see if you can find (or how many births you can find) of Charles Dougherty in 1874 & 1875 Ireland. There is a good chance his birth was registered, and will give you parents' names, Townland of birth, date of birth, location of where to search for his family baptism. LDS films of birth indexes are available at Family History Centers for low cost. If you cannot access a FHC easily, perhaps someone will do the lookup for you and give you some options--of how many Charles Doughertys were born in all of Ireland during your time frame. You could cross check later and at least cross a few off that do not work for you. Or maybe there is just one good luck in your search! That is a good start. Regards, Candi in California

All my Irish ancestors are from the Dunmanway area. My father, James Francis Chambers, was baptized in St. Patrick's. Also baptized or married there were his mother Johanna Mahoney, his grandparents Lawrence Mahoney and Mary McCarthy and his great grandparents, Jeremiah McCarthy and Johanna O'Donovan. My brick wall is his father Charles Chambers and his grandfather Richard Chambers. All I know about Richard is that he died young and left two small sons, Charles and Richard both of whom emigrated to America, and that his widow's name was Mary. Mary remarried and her name became Tyner. Is anyone researching the Chambers family in West Cork? Rose Roberts in Florida

Can anyone help? I am looking for DENNIS MC COY who our family history says was a "seaman" and believe him to have lived in Cork, sometime between 1812 and 1845. I can't find his place of birth which the family says was "either" Cork or Donegal. I am wondering if there are any lists or anything along that line which would show ships and crews during that time period. I believe he had another brother that was also a seaman. I would be most grateful for any help. Dorothy MN USA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/303 - Release Date: 4/6/2006

Farrell results I could find for 1834 to 38. (1) 1834 Sept. 21Johanna of Timothy Farrell and Ellen Cotter, Togher Sponsors, Patrick Hurley and Mary Donovan (2) 1834 Oct. 18 Timothy of Denis Farrell and Ellen Leary. Moneyreague Sps. Con Farrell and Catherine Manning. (3) 1835 Feb.2 John of Con. Farrell and Johanna Regan Moneyreague Sps. John Farrell and Mary Cotter (4) 1835 March 8 Tim of John Farrell and Ellen Cotter Togher Sps. Rev. James Doheny and Honora Farrell (5) 1835 March 17 Mary of Con Farrell and Angel Barry Dromdeega Sps. Tim Farrell and Mary ? (6) 1836 May 4 Tim of Con Farrell and Johanne Regan Moneyreague Sps. Jim Regan and Johanna Hurley. (7) 1835 July 26 Honora of Jer Farrell and Catherine Hanrahan, Moneyreague Sps. John Leary and Mary Leary (8) 1836 Tim of Denis Farrell and Mary Cotter Togher SPS. Patrick Lynch & Marg. Calaghan (9) 1836 Dec. 17 Honora of John Farrell and Mary Crowley. Moneyreague SPS. John Crowley & Bridget Crowley (10) 1837 Jan. 11 Marg. of Tim Farrell and Ellen Cotter Togher SPS. Larry Cotter and Ellen Farrell (11) 1837 June 23 Con of John Farrell and Ellen Cotter Togher SPS. Tim Farrell and Cath. Cotter (12) 1837 July 8 Denis of Con Farrel and Angel Barry Dromdeega SPS. James Barry and Ellen Manning.

By the way I notice that a few of your contacts have mentioned the state of Kilbarry graveyard , it is now spotless and a great credit to the two lads that cleaned it. We hope to commence cleaning Fanlobbus graveyard in the near future. This is a much larger job, but we hope to have it done by the end of summer. Regards, Pat

My grandfather, Charles Edward Dougherty was partner to my grandmother and father of a son and a daughter - my mother. I never knew him. Family info says that he was born Ireland, probably Cork Co., about 1875. He left home very young and joined a circus; travelled with them to England and changed his surname to Mack. Before he met grandma ( who assisted him with his conjuring and magic show) he had married a girl in Liverpool but parted from her soon after. I believe that he and grandma lived in Wigan and Southport until she sent him on his way. I have found a likely Mack in the 1901 census b. Ireland c. 1874 , Res. Lancs, Occupation Ostler. He was last heard of in St. John's Rd., Ellesmere, Shropshire about 1952. It is believed that he died c. 1957 but we have not been able to find the death in 1837online anywhere around that time. My sons and I are very keen to learn more of this man and his background. I know it is a long shot but I would appreciate any help in my quest as I just don't know where to start with the little info I have. Regards to all, Rita in West OZ

Pete and Cheryl What about the district Slieve Lougher as in Albert Casey's 16-volume set "O'Kief, Coshe Mang, Slieve Lougher and Upper Blackwater in Ireland"? Bob Meehan

Cheryl at cdynan@rcn.com writes: << It gives her last residence as a town that looks likes it starts with an S_ld(or cl), ogher or ends in pher. Any one have any ideas? >> Cheryl, I guess I'd have some questions, first of all. Do you have reason to suspect this place is located in Co. Cork? Does the "_" represent a single lettter, or a sequence of letters? How many would you guess? Last question - does there appear to be a break in the script which might suggest two words? (Probably not, as that would suggest two capital letters, and I'm sure that would be noticeable). In any case, I'm aiming toward a townland ending in clogher. There are several Clogher townlands in Co. Cork, but nothing with a useful prefix - especially one starting with "S". That's why I mentioned two words.... a possible minor townland starting with S, and identified as being close to the larger Clogher townland/village. Hence, the two names. I don't find any short townland names in Cork, starting with S and ending with l, however. Any chance of seeing a copy of the document? .............................................................................. ... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Cheryl Dynan <cdynan@rcn.com> asked: >I found a relative on a ship manifest. It gives her last residence as a >town that looks likes it starts with an S_ld(or cl), ogher or ends in pher. The IreAtlas database at http://www.seanruad.com shows four townlands in county Cork named Clogher; in the civil parishes of Templeroan, Inchigeelagh, Kilcatherine, and Kilmoe. -dja

Hello out there........ My grandmother, Mary Catherine Deasy, was born in Ahidelake the 21 May 1867. Her parents were Daniel Deasy and Mary Driscoll. I am interested in learning more about the area. I have been to Clonakilty and had an enjoyable time talking to people. At the time I did not know where my grandmother was born so didn't make a drive to Ahidelake. Thanks for any information you can give me about the town or even the people. Priscilla -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/302 - Release Date: 05/Apr/06

Hi Cheryl, If you click on the following you will find Donoughmore in the top left corner. http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=Ireland&city=Cork Regards, Brendan Jones > Can anyone tell me where Donoughnore is? > Cheryl > >

Can anyone tell me where Donoughnore is? Cheryl