I'd be interested to hear about any CALLAGHANs (or similar) who moved to England at any point or who are still living in Ireland. Regards Tim

I am researching CALLAGHANs from Ireland and am interested in finding out about the time before people used surnames. I have done a Y chromosone DNA test and have found connections like apparent ancesters with 'non-Callaghan' surnames, presumably connected before surnames were used. Does anyone know how, where and when the surname CALLAGHAN came about and what happened before that time. I know it has connections with Co. Cork and the King of Munster. Tim

As much as I understand, the first user was Ceallachain, King of Munster, who died 952. In the absence of an alternative, the name is said to mean 'strife', but that is not entirely accepted. Present day Irish urnames started to come into effect sometime in the mid-12th.century. Names with the 'O' prefix are older than those with 'Mac'. From the Annals of the Four Masters: (M934.5 = A.D. 934): "Cluain-mic-Nois [Clonmacnoise] was plundered by the foreigners of Ath-cliath (Dublin); and it was plundered again by Ceallachan Caisil [Cashel] and the men of Munster." (M937.14 = A.D. 937) Ceallachan, King of Caiseal [Cashel], with the men of Munster, and Macca Cuinn, with the foreigners of Port-Lairge [Waterford], went into Meath, and seized upon a great prey, and took the spoils and prisoners of Cill-eidhneach and Cill-achaidh; and took their two abbots, namely, Muireadhach Ua Conchobhair, and Coibhdeanach, son of Beargdha; but they left behind Oilill, son of Aenghus, lord of Ui-Fothaidh, and many others, in the hands of Aimhergin, lord of Ui-Failghe. M937.15 The men of Munster, under Ceallachan, King of Munster, who had the foreigners along with him, plundered the churches of Cluain-eidhneach and Cill-achaidh, and the territory of Meath, as far as Cluain-Iraird[Clonard]. M938.14 A great slaughter was made of the Osraig by Ceallachan, King of Caiseal. M939.7 A slaughter was made of the Deisi by Ceallachan and the men of Munster, because they had submitted to Muircheartach, son of Niall; and he slew two thousand of them, together with Ceileachair, son of Cormac; Maelgorm, son of Gibhleachan; Seghdha, son of Noebelan; Cleireach, son of Sesta, &c. M.942.11 A victory was gained by Ceallachan of Caiseal, over Ceinneidigh, son of Lorcan, at Magh-duin, where many were slain. M949.10 The spoiling of Sil-Anmchadha, and the plundering of Cluain-fearta-Brenainn, by Ceallachan and the men of Munster. The plundering of Dealbhna-Beathra by the same party; and the Daimh-liag of Gailine was burned by them. M952.8 Ceallachan, King of Caiseal, died. **** Reply to LIST only, please. Thank you. Padraig An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Callaghan" <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:41 AM Subject: Pre-surname era > I am researching CALLAGHANs from Ireland and am interested in finding out about the time before people used surnames. > > I have done a Y chromosone DNA test and have found connections like apparent ancesters with 'non-Callaghan' surnames, presumably connected before surnames were used. > > Does anyone know how, where and when the surname CALLAGHAN came about and what happened before that time. I know it has connections with Co. Cork and the King of Munster. > > Tim > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb in data acquisition > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.6/337 - Release Date: 5/11/06 > > -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 184 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com/pro for free now!

I wonder if the explanation could be that there were adoptions along the way? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Callaghan" <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> To: <CountyCork-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 5:41 AM Subject: [Cork] Pre-surname era >I am researching CALLAGHANs from Ireland and am interested in finding out >about the time before people used surnames. > > I have done a Y chromosone DNA test and have found connections like > apparent ancesters with 'non-Callaghan' surnames, presumably connected > before surnames were used. > > Does anyone know how, where and when the surname CALLAGHAN came about and > what happened before that time. I know it has connections with Co. Cork > and the King of Munster. > > Tim

Carol Collins <collinscarol@hotmail.com> asked: >There was recently posting about shipping with Cork vs. Cobh. Would any >of the timber ships sailing between England, Ireland and Canada during >the 1840's have sailed from Bandon or would they have more likely have >sailed from Cork? My grandmother was born on the Bandon side of the River Bandon from Innishannon. I've walked across the bridge her family would have taken to get from home to Mass and I would have to say that the River Bandon is not a navigable waterway at this point. That is not to say, however, that a small rowboat couldn't have been used to transport a couple of people down the river from Bandon until they reached a port of departure. Kinsale, at the mouth of the River Bandon is a port and at one time was being considered a rival to Queenstown. See http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Cork/1864/JUN.html for an article from the Cork Examiner of 2 June 1864 about this. -dja

I'd be interested to hear about any CALLAGHANs (or similar) who moved to England at any point or who are still living in Ireland. Regards Tim

I am researching CALLAGHANs from Ireland and am interested in finding out about the time before people used surnames. I have done a Y chromosone DNA test and have found connections like apparent ancesters with 'non-Callaghan' surnames, presumably connected before surnames were used. Does anyone know how, where and when the surname CALLAGHAN came about and what happened before that time. I know it has connections with Co. Cork and the King of Munster. Tim

I am looking for information on a Gallagher-Halloran family who lived in the parish of Glanworth, Co. Cork, Ireland. I feel certain that William Gallagher and Hanora Halloran were married before church records were kept and that there were children older than these: (1) BRIDGET GALLAGHER baptized 2-24-1837 - of William Gallagher and Hanora Halloran; sponsors Denis Gallagher and Ellen Tuomy (2) HANORA GALLAGHER baptized 2-21-1839 - of William Gallagher and Hanora Halloran; sponsors Martin Gallagher and Ellen Gallagher (3) MARGARET GALLAGHER baptized 6-24-1841 - of William Gallagher and Honora Halloran; sponsors Thomas Brown and ________ Halloran (4) CATHERINE GALLAGHER baptized 10-15-1845 - of William Gallagher and Hanora Halloran; sponsors John Gallagher and Mary Brown (5) ELLEN GALLAGHER baptized 9-20-1848 - of William Gallagher and Nance Halaron; sponsors Daniel Sheehan and Joanna Gleasure If anyone is connected to this family, I would be interested in hearing from you. I am particularly interested in tracing the Gallaghers of Glanworth. Jan janfortado@comcast.net

This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---1068857017-1867289053-1146855129=:7664813 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE From=20The Cork Examiner, 17 December 1864 - THANKS. The Sick Poor Society (South Parish), beg to acknowledge the receipt of =A32 from Wm. Hayes, Esq., 1, Clarence Terrace, per the Very Rev. Dean Murphy. Lying-In Hospital--Six suits of baby clothes from Mrs. Paul M'Swiny, 5, Sydenham Terrace, Monkstown, Cork. Lying-In Hospital--Some flannel and calico from Mrs. Wm. Murphy, Richmond House. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ---1068857017-1867289053-1146855129=:7664813--

Helen <hjaj2000@btinternet.com> said: >I have just started researching the Irish side of my family but without a >huge amount of success. My grandfather was a John Henry APPELBE born the >16 April 1926 in Macroom (I have Carrigaphooca on the birth certificate). >His father was a Henry Edward APPELBE also of Macroom and he married a >Elizabeth Ann GOOD(E) in 1897. As you already have the birth cert. the next logical move would be to obtain the parents' marriage cert. See: http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy/birthsmarrdeaths.html Records of Irish Births, Marriages, and Deaths http://www.genfindit.com/imarrs.htm LDS Film Numbers for Index to Irish civil marriage records http://www.genfindit.com Online Irish Vital Records Ordering Service http://www.geocities.com/stassam.geo/dublin.html Lookup Service for Records in Dublin http://homepage.eircom.net/~seanjmurphy/gro/ Guide to the General Register Office http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/ldspars.html LDS Film Numbers for Irish Parish Registers http://www.nli.ie/pdfs/famil2.pdf Parish Registers at National Library of Ireland http://homepage.eircom.net/~ifhs/IFHSpub5.htm Directory of Parish Registers Indexed in Ireland published by the Irish Family History Society http://www.groireland.ie/ General Register Office (Republic of Ireland) Births, Marriages and Deaths for 32 counties 1864-1922 Republic of Ireland only 1922-present

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I will be wishing you well and missing you lots, Pete! Candi in California Slan

I will be unsubbing in a couple of days for my Month of May Magical Munster Tour. I'll be back online near the end of the month - perhaps as early as the 26th. .............................................................................. ... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Since my own Dunmanway McCarthy males left Cork to work in Dowlais, Merthyr Tydfil Wales steel mill as soon as they reached adulthood about 1882, I thought I would share this recent note from another LORDAN transplanted to Wales. I suspect more Welsh-Irish should be hunting in Cork for their roots. My Wales men then worked to get to America and their sisters worked as domestics in Massachusetts until all had paid each others' way over. One McCarthy daughter stayed home in Dunmanway to care for her aging widowed father, and my Great great grandfather gave her the 11 acre farm in Dromdrasdil. This is info from a cousin of a LORDAN cousin from Dunmanway: James Lordan and May Lordan (Quirke). They lived in Banogue Co Limerick, near Croom. Grandfather was actually born in Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan. Take into account when searching a lot of Welsh counties reverted to their Welsh names in the 1980's as they formerly known by their English versions e.g. Pembrokeshire is now Dyfed etc. The rest of my father's family were Daniel Mary Patrick (whose son Seamus (James Patrick) has helped me greatly). James (my grandfather) John Kit (Katherine) John Biddy (Brigid) The reason my grandfather was born in Wales was quite simply to do with lack of work in Ireland. The Lordans went to get work in the mines and would have put each other up to help out but they moved back to Ireland as soon as they could. My great grandfather (who was from Cork) was James Lordan and my grandmother was Mary Lordan (Callaghan). My great great grandparents were James and Mary as well. The rest of my family history is word of mouth from the relatives (Hence knowing of Hannah & Daniel Lordan) and I am on the search to find proof which is actually harder due to a lot of records being destroyed in 1920's in Ireland. Just sharing. Candi in California

GDAY:) Im in Australia Researching a direct line of PHILPOTT.. Im wondering if they may have come from co cork originally.. Have a RANDYLL PHILPOTT Born circa 1770 in Co Essex, but have noticed also an earlier RANDALL Philpott in Co Cork too Anyone researching Philpott ? Thanks Regards Cathy:) Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi list, a compilation of records dealing with Settlement , Removal, Bastardy, Apprentices and Rogues and Vagabonds has and is being compiled, it contains the names of folks from your area located far from home in the middle of England. Take a look you may just discover a lost relation. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~spire/Yesterday/index.htm mike

Hi, Elizabeth, My husband's grandfather, Martin Hartigan Culhane, came from Liscarroll, Cork, about 10 miles northwest of Mallow. His father was Patrick Culhane, and Patrick's wife was born in 1820, as I assume Patrick was born around 1815. My husband doesn't have the genealogy bug yet, but he retires later this year and I'm hoping he catches it. I'll save your e-mail in case he does. Diane

I'm curious about the Culhane's in your family. My husband's family is from the Glin area in Limerick. Kindly let me know! Thanks, Elizabeth Culhane

DLCulhane@cs.com asked: >Could anyone on this list do a Cork obituary lookup for me from >1904-1905, or can you recommend a place where I can get such a lookup? Although coverage of the 1904-1905 period is sparse, the database on the IrelandOldNews website has inxed a lot of Cork death notices. It would help if you researched the civil registrations of deaths first if you do not have a date. If it is not in the index already, that may be a way of identifying what issues to peruse. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Irish Death Notice Database ahern@world.std.com | http://www.irelandoldnews.com/obits/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Could anyone on this list do a Cork obituary lookup for me from 1904-1905, or can you recommend a place where I can get such a lookup? Thanks very much! Diane