HI Listers, Does anyone know anything about Rochestown House Rochestown Cork? Mary Nelligan CLERY died their in 1908 and Annie Clery in 1920. Any help much appreciated. Brendan I tried the same with this as you suggested for Tivoli. No luck! Erin from New Zealand.

Hi Listers, Can anyone tell me if No 5 Tivoli Gardens Tivoli Cork city still exists? Ely Nelligan OCLERY died there in 1952. Does anyone know if it does exist who lives there now? Any help gratefully appreciated. Erin in New Zealand.

Hi Erin, Tivoli Gardens (and presumably No. 5) still exist. From the Valuations Office site http://www.valoff.ie/search/search.asp Click on Cork at the bottom of the map and enter Tivoli Gardens in the Street Field and submit. The result doesn't identify the house numbers but the property numbers on the left may be a help. At least it gives you names to mull over. Note that the occupier may not be the owner. Clicking on "Details"in the right-hand column may give you extra information. Regards, Brendan Jones. > Hi Listers, Can anyone tell me if No 5 Tivoli Gardens Tivoli Cork city still > exists? Ely Nelligan OCLERY died there in 1952. Does anyone know if it does > exist who lives there now? Any help gratefully appreciated. Erin in New > Zealand.

Hi Candi, Thanks for your reply. Recap of your family:- Parents: Thomas O'Connor and his wife Johanna Donovan (presumably born c1820) Offsrping: John Timothy O'Connor born May 04, 1844, Thomas, born Abt. 1848, David, known as Davie, born in Cork November 23, 1849 My family:- Thomas O'Connor and Mary? (guessed to be born c1860 but unknown) Offspring:- Timothy Francis b 25/04/1887 (my direct line) John born guess 1882 Edmund born guess 1884 Thomas guess 1885 (aparently wealthy and lived in America) My Thomas (senior) could be the same as your Thomas (junior) c1848 but absolutely no proof. There does seem to be a connection of names including "Bryant". We need more to confirm a connection, the message from Dennis Ahern on 18th May may help us research further. Will be in touch if I figure anything out. Sarah >From: Clzz@aol.com >To: historyof0connor@hotmail.com, CQuinnkmt@aol.com, msentner@gmail.com >CC: IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com, asafkow@voyager.net, BARB5B@aol.com, >KOLOCALIO@comcast.net, patrick.o'connor@woa.wolfcraft.com >Subject: O'Connor near Skibbereen in Cork and also in Wales with Bryants >Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 03:21:31 EDT > >Hello Sarah, > >I have to say we have some gaps in our O'Connor research, as well, but I am >writing to have you consider our family similarities. I can always welcome >one more O'Connor cousin! Let me start with my Thomas O'Connor and his wife >Johanna Donovan from Cork. I am from their son John. > >John Timothy O'Connor was born May 04, 1844 somewhere near Skibbereen in >Cork. John had younger brothers named Thomas, born Abt. 1848, and David, >known >as Davie in our family, born in Cork November 23, 1849. In 1871 Wales >census, >David O'Connor lived at 39 Quarry St as a lodger with Daniel Bryant & wife >Mary Ann. David's parents lived at 36 Quarry St, next door. David was >missing in > the 1881 Wales census, but at age 40 he married Mary Jenkins February 17, >1889. I couldn't find him in the census 1891, but he was there in Wales >for the >deaths of both parents in 1891 & 1892. Family lore was he had joined the >British Army and also he was a farmer. > >Davie was rebaptised again in Merthyr Tydfil Wales at the age of three. His >parents, Thomas Connors and Johanna Donovan must have just moved there. > >In Wales, John married a Margaret Donovan who was born 1844 in Reavouler, >Leap. In general, our family mostly knew she was from Skibbereen or >Rosscarbery. > We only know that John was from somewhere near Skibbereen, and Drinagh >would >be considered right in that neighborhood. In fact, Reavouler Townland >folks >used to go to St Mary's in Leap, but they were physically closest to >Drinagh. >The Leap priest said folks in Reavouler started having their Sacraments in >the Drinagh church once it was built. It is quite likely that John's >family >knew or was related to Margaret before her family moved to Wales in 1865. >John >and Margaret married in Wales September 1866. There was some family >connection of the 4th degree. > >Wouldn't I love for my John Timothy O'Connors to be from Drinagh! I need to >scour the Parish records to search for his birth and his two brothers-and >likely his parents' marriage. That would wrap up my extensive research of >all >dozen Donovans from Reavouler and their spouses. Does anyone know how I >could >access the parish records exactly for Drinagh? I shall start there first! > >It is possible, if my people are not your people, that they are cousins of >some sort. Don't laugh, because I have seen whole families split up with >one >generation between Ireland, Wales, Chicago and Australia. > >Many people went home for important events like weddings, baptisms, as >England and Wales were but a boat ride away from Cork Ireland. > >Please give it a thought, and keep my address. I could use a connection >right about now! > >Regards, Candi in California > > >From: "Sarah O'Connor" <historyof0connor@hotmail.com> >To: IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <BAY102-F909AD702E0D8A6368204D85A10@phx.gbl> >Subject: O'Connors in Buttevant, County Cork >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Good morning everyone! > >I am subscribed to the Jersey list and have not had much luck, I'm hoping >you guys on the Ireland list are able to help me a bit more with a >different >line... > >Search: birth certificate (Note: the registrar has not been able to find >this) >Timothy Francis O'Connor b25/04/1887 Drenagh/Drinagh Buttevant, Ireland >Died in England, probably Southampton around 1948 > >Timothy F O'Connor married Hanorah Bryant in 1916 in church of Kilpadder, >Dromore, Mallow. He was living in Manchester at the time and a a witness >is >Kathleen Bryant (possibly mother or sister). I have found the marriage >certificate. > >Search: Birth certificate Hanorah Bryant c1890 County Cork, Ireland > >Timothy F O'Connors parents are >Thomas O'Connor and Mary ? They lived at The Grange, Buttevant in 1905 > >Search: Any info about these O'Connor parents or The Grange Note: >Griffiths >Valuation lists a Jeremiah O'Connor in Buttevant The Grange - could be >related? >I know they died in Ireland since Mary would never leave her country. > >Hanorah Bryant parents are Nicholas Bryant born c1861 possibly Dromohane, >Ireland, died in London > >Search: Any info about these Bryant parents, >Note: I have found 1891:- Source RG12/529 Folio 49 pg 11 GSU 6095639 The >only Nicholas >Bryant c1861 living in UK born in Ireland between 1860-1960 (held on >file), there is a daughter Hanora b1889, which would match ours but we >thought >Hanorah lived in >Ireland since she is in Mallow in 1916 when married. So not sure same >family but this Nicholas was a coach builder, living in South Woolwich >Watsons >Wharf, London and all the family are born in Ireland, wife Mary and son >Patrick. > >I know there's a lot of holes in this research but if anyone can help with >anything at all I would be very grateful. I have got other lines going >back to >1700's but these Irish and Jersey ancestors are a pain!! > >best wishes, Sarah > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN Search Toolbar now includes Desktop search! http://join.msn.com/toolbar/overview

JP & MC Mizzi <mmizzi@dodo.com.au> asked: >Where is the best place to get photocopies of birth marriage and death >certificates from COAL-QUAY CORK? Have tried sending a fax to one >of the fax numbers of ST Peter and St Pauls but cannot seem to get >through. Have tried the one number many times. There are a few different >fax numbers to try but is there any special fax number I should try >especially for COAL-QUAY?Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. If the event is after the commencement of civil registration in 1864 your best bet is the General Register Office. If it is a baptism or marriage prior to 1864, you need to search parish records. There is a volunteer group indexing the parish records for Cork City, but I have not yet heard any annuncement that they have reached a point of accepting requests for information. An address given as Coal Quay would, I believe, fall within the parish boundaries of Sts. Peter & Paul's church, but their primary mission is to serve current parishioners, not to do genealogical research for descendants of past parishioners. Here are some links that may help. http://www.cmcrp.net/Cork/ County Cork CMC Record Project http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy/birthsmarrdeaths.html Records of Irish Births, Marriages, and Deaths http://www.genfindit.com/ibirths.htm LDS Film Numbers for Index to Irish civil birth records http://www.genfindit.com/imarrs.htm LDS Film Numbers for Index to Irish civil marriage records http://www.genfindit.com/ideaths.htm LDS Film Numbers for Index to Irish civil death records http://www.genfindit.com Online Irish Vital Records Ordering Service http://www.geocities.com/stassam.geo/dublin.html Lookup Service for Records in Dublin http://homepage.eircom.net/~seanjmurphy/gro/ Guide to the General Register Office http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/ldspars.html LDS Film Numbers for Irish Parish Registers http://www.nli.ie/pdfs/famil2.pdf Parish Registers at National Library of Ireland http://homepage.eircom.net/~ifhs/IFHSpub5.htm Directory of Parish Registers Indexed in Ireland published by the Irish Family History Society http://www.groireland.ie/ General Register Office (Republic of Ireland) Births, Marriages and Deaths for 32 counties 1864-1922 Republic of Ireland only 1922-present

I am looking for info on my wife's great-grandfather David O'Connor (listed as David J. in one NY Census) born Mar 1858 in Knocknagree County Cork Ireland. Was in South Glens Falls, NY by 1880 and married Bridget Nolan of County Wexford in 1886. Died South Glens Falls, NY 1932. Any info on ancestors or parents or siblings would be greatly appreciated. Rick Shea

This is an off the wall request, so to speak. I am trying to establish a possible death of Paul Bevan listed in the Welsh Parish of Llangyfelach as the father Sara Bevan, and he was entered in the parish record as a soldier in the militia. Local militia history states they were ordered to serve in Youghal Co.Cork Ireland and sailed to Waterford from Bristol in September 1815 until January 1816 then they went to Clonmel staying there until 28th April and returning to Cardiff in May 1816 Would anybody know if such a regiment generated local records in Ireland during their stay at the two towns in Ireland. Such as deaths by accident or otherwise, Except for two entries in this Welsh Parish as the father of two girls in 1813 and 1815, there is no trace of his or his wife Mary's existence. Bryan Richards

Great site Bryan, I only wish I had found my allusive ancestors John & William McGhee both of whom were seamen. Jeanette Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Richards" <bryanrichards@btinternet.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 11:54 PM Subject: Richard Cotter > New to the list > I am trying to establish the parents of Richard Cotter. He entered the > British Royal Navy at the Cove Cork Ireland in 1796. > > He served from 1797 to 1803 onboard HMS Cerberus which around that time > was > based at Cork. > The records in 1800 show "When from" as born Cloyne and his age 20. > Allotment records showed he had wages paid to Mrs Ann Cotter of Bantry Bay > the last entry was in 1803. > In 1806 Richard Cotter married Ellen Young in Savoy Strand in London and > had > 8 children > I can only find on the IGI a marriage in Cork 1895 of an Ann Smith b.1774 > to a Richard Cotter b.1770 > Richard Cotter became a purser and died in 1834. In 1828 he wrote a book > Sketches of Bermuda, > or Somer's Isles printed by Effingham Wilson London. His son Pownall > Pellew > Cotter was acting > master of HMS Terror 1837-184, the expedition leader Sir James CLarke > Ross > named part of > Victoria Land Antarctica as Cape Cotter in his honour, but lately they > have > declared that there > is no prominent cape, but named the nearby coast line as Cotter Cliffs. > > I am assuming that Ann Cotter nee Smith must have died and Ellen his > second > wife, > unless I have the wrong Richard Cotter. on the IGI. > > Any information would be graefully appreciated. > > Regards > Bryan Richards > N.B. I have over 28,000 rentries for mariners indexed on on my website > many are of Irish origin www.swanseamariners.org.uk > > > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb in data acquisition > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Sarah O'Connor <historyof0connor@hotmail.com> asked: >Search: birth certificate (Note: the registrar has not been able to find >this) > Timothy Francis O'Connor > b25/04/1887 Drenagh/Drinagh Buttevant, Ireland > Died in England, probably Southampton around 1948 Buttevant is in the Diocese of Cloyne. Parish records for Buttevant can be found at the national Library in Dublin but you will need a letter of permission from the Bishop in order to view them. Alternatively, you could contact the Mallow Heritage Centre, which has indexed parish records for Buttevant, RC baptisms 1814-1895 and marriages 1814-1896. The also have CofI baptisms, marriages and burials. See http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmahs/mherit.htm Buttevant is in the Poor Law Union of Mallow and you will find some mention of O'Connors if you use the search engine on the website of the Mallow Archaeological & Historical Society. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Mallow Archaeological & Historical Society Acton, Massachusetts | Mr. John Caplice, Dromore, Mallow, Co. Cork ahern@world.std.com | http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmahs/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Hello Sarah, I have to say we have some gaps in our O'Connor research, as well, but I am writing to have you consider our family similarities. I can always welcome one more O'Connor cousin! Let me start with my Thomas O'Connor and his wife Johanna Donovan from Cork. I am from their son John. John Timothy O'Connor was born May 04, 1844 somewhere near Skibbereen in Cork. John had younger brothers named Thomas, born Abt. 1848, and David, known as Davie in our family, born in Cork November 23, 1849. In 1871 Wales census, David O'Connor lived at 39 Quarry St as a lodger with Daniel Bryant & wife Mary Ann. David's parents lived at 36 Quarry St, next door. David was missing in the 1881 Wales census, but at age 40 he married Mary Jenkins February 17, 1889. I couldn't find him in the census 1891, but he was there in Wales for the deaths of both parents in 1891 & 1892. Family lore was he had joined the British Army and also he was a farmer. Davie was rebaptised again in Merthyr Tydfil Wales at the age of three. His parents, Thomas Connors and Johanna Donovan must have just moved there. In Wales, John married a Margaret Donovan who was born 1844 in Reavouler, Leap. In general, our family mostly knew she was from Skibbereen or Rosscarbery. We only know that John was from somewhere near Skibbereen, and Drinagh would be considered right in that neighborhood. In fact, Reavouler Townland folks used to go to St Mary's in Leap, but they were physically closest to Drinagh. The Leap priest said folks in Reavouler started having their Sacraments in the Drinagh church once it was built. It is quite likely that John's family knew or was related to Margaret before her family moved to Wales in 1865. John and Margaret married in Wales September 1866. There was some family connection of the 4th degree. Wouldn't I love for my John Timothy O'Connors to be from Drinagh! I need to scour the Parish records to search for his birth and his two brothers-and likely his parents' marriage. That would wrap up my extensive research of all dozen Donovans from Reavouler and their spouses. Does anyone know how I could access the parish records exactly for Drinagh? I shall start there first! It is possible, if my people are not your people, that they are cousins of some sort. Don't laugh, because I have seen whole families split up with one generation between Ireland, Wales, Chicago and Australia. Many people went home for important events like weddings, baptisms, as England and Wales were but a boat ride away from Cork Ireland. Please give it a thought, and keep my address. I could use a connection right about now! Regards, Candi in California From: "Sarah O'Connor" <historyof0connor@hotmail.com> To: IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <BAY102-F909AD702E0D8A6368204D85A10@phx.gbl> Subject: O'Connors in Buttevant, County Cork Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Good morning everyone! I am subscribed to the Jersey list and have not had much luck, I'm hoping you guys on the Ireland list are able to help me a bit more with a different line... Search: birth certificate (Note: the registrar has not been able to find this) Timothy Francis O'Connor b25/04/1887 Drenagh/Drinagh Buttevant, Ireland Died in England, probably Southampton around 1948 Timothy F O'Connor married Hanorah Bryant in 1916 in church of Kilpadder, Dromore, Mallow. He was living in Manchester at the time and a a witness is Kathleen Bryant (possibly mother or sister). I have found the marriage certificate. Search: Birth certificate Hanorah Bryant c1890 County Cork, Ireland Timothy F O'Connors parents are Thomas O'Connor and Mary ? They lived at The Grange, Buttevant in 1905 Search: Any info about these O'Connor parents or The Grange Note: Griffiths Valuation lists a Jeremiah O'Connor in Buttevant The Grange - could be related? I know they died in Ireland since Mary would never leave her country. Hanorah Bryant parents are Nicholas Bryant born c1861 possibly Dromohane, Ireland, died in London Search: Any info about these Bryant parents, Note: I have found 1891:- Source RG12/529 Folio 49 pg 11 GSU 6095639 The only Nicholas Bryant c1861 living in UK born in Ireland between 1860-1960 (held on file), there is a daughter Hanora b1889, which would match ours but we thought Hanorah lived in Ireland since she is in Mallow in 1916 when married. So not sure same family but this Nicholas was a coach builder, living in South Woolwich Watsons Wharf, London and all the family are born in Ireland, wife Mary and son Patrick. I know there's a lot of holes in this research but if anyone can help with anything at all I would be very grateful. I have got other lines going back to 1700's but these Irish and Jersey ancestors are a pain!! best wishes, Sarah

New to the list I am trying to establish the parents of Richard Cotter. He entered the British Royal Navy at the Cove Cork Ireland in 1796. He served from 1797 to 1803 onboard HMS Cerberus which around that time was based at Cork. The records in 1800 show "When from" as born Cloyne and his age 20. Allotment records showed he had wages paid to Mrs Ann Cotter of Bantry Bay the last entry was in 1803. In 1806 Richard Cotter married Ellen Young in Savoy Strand in London and had 8 children I can only find on the IGI a marriage in Cork 1895 of an Ann Smith b.1774 to a Richard Cotter b.1770 Richard Cotter became a purser and died in 1834. In 1828 he wrote a book Sketches of Bermuda, or Somer's Isles printed by Effingham Wilson London. His son Pownall Pellew Cotter was acting master of HMS Terror 1837-184, the expedition leader Sir James CLarke Ross named part of Victoria Land Antarctica as Cape Cotter in his honour, but lately they have declared that there is no prominent cape, but named the nearby coast line as Cotter Cliffs. I am assuming that Ann Cotter nee Smith must have died and Ellen his second wife, unless I have the wrong Richard Cotter. on the IGI. Any information would be graefully appreciated. Regards Bryan Richards N.B. I have over 28,000 rentries for mariners indexed on on my website many are of Irish origin www.swanseamariners.org.uk

It has come to my attention recently that the PATERSON family of Middleton that has been my search objective, may also be known as PATTRICKSON.  The time frame is late 1700's to early 1800's.  I have two sisters, Ann and Elizabeth, whose name was PATERSON, however, now I have apparently found a brother, William PATTRICKSON.  Ann was  born in Middleton, ca 1796 and married in Carrigrohane to a British Army Artillery soldier in 1818.  She was married in the Church of Ireland so I am judging they are Protestant.  I think the brother, William, was born ca 1795-1797. I would be interested in making contact with anyone who has a connection with PATERSON/PATTRICKSON from this area. Bonnie House

I would like to encourage everyone with a CALLAGHAN surname and ancestry to take part in the Y chromosone DNA test (37 marker test ideally) so see we we canfind any common ancesters. If anyone has done so please contact me. Regards Tim Callaghan

Good morning everyone! I am subscribed to the Jersey list and have not had much luck, I'm hoping you guys on the Ireland list are able to help me a bit more with a different line... Search: birth certificate (Note: the registrar has not been able to find this) Timothy Francis O'Connor b25/04/1887 Drenagh/Drinagh Buttevant, Ireland Died in England, probably Southampton around 1948 Timothy F O'Connor married Hanorah Bryant in 1916 in church of Kilpadder, Dromore, Mallow. He was living in Manchester at the time and a a witness is Kathleen Bryant (possibly mother or sister). I have found the marriage certificate. Search: Birth certificate Hanorah Bryant c1890 County Cork, Ireland Timothy F O'Connors parents are Thomas O'Connor and Mary ? They lived at The Grange, Buttevant in 1905 Search: Any info about these O'Connor parents or The Grange Note: Griffiths Valuation lists a Jeremiah O'Connor in Buttevant The Grange - could be related? I know they died in Ireland since Mary would never leave her country. Hanorah Bryant parents are Nicholas Bryant born c1861 possibly Dromohane, Ireland, died in London Search: Any info about these Bryant parents, Note: I have found 1891:- Source RG12/529 Folio 49 pg 11 GSU 6095639 The only Nicholas Bryant c1861 living in UK born in Ireland between 1860-1960 (held on file), there is a daughter Hanora b1889, which would match ours but we thought Hanorah lived in Ireland since she is in Mallow in 1916 when married. So not sure same family but this Nicholas was a coach builder, living in South Woolwich Watsons Wharf, London and all the family are born in Ireland, wife Mary and son Patrick. I know there's a lot of holes in this research but if anyone can help with anything at all I would be very grateful. I have got other lines going back to 1700's but these Irish and Jersey ancestors are a pain!! best wishes, Sarah _________________________________________________________________ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://join.msn.com/messenger/overview

Hello Listers. Help needed in finding the birth/baptism of William Walsh born 1871/1881 somewhere in Cork. His parents were Anthony and Mary and they all moved to Stockport UK circa 1861/1871. William is listed as age 13 on 1871 census and 23 on 1881 census in the UK. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Shelagh O'Neill.

I would like to encourage everyone with a CALLAGHAN surname and ancestry to take part in the Y chromosone DNA test (37 marker test ideally) so see we we canfind any common ancesters. If anyone has done so please contact me. Regards Tim Callaghan

My GG grandmother Margaret (aka Marguerite) O'CALLAGHAN was born 1832 in Mallow, Co.Cork. She married James HARVEY 6 Sept 1852 in Adelaide SA, Australia. Her father was Owen O'CALLAGHAN, her mother's Christian name I'm led to believe was Honora. This is as far back as I have been able to get with this family. Can anyone help please? Thanks, Helen - Qld, Australia

Padraig, Let me throw one more monkey wrench (spanner) into the works. We have a Johnston/e family in which the father and his two sons had their Y-DNA tested. One son is one marker away from him while the other is also a marker away, but a different marker, making the sons 2 markers away from each other - both markers are "fast changing" markers. So I have a feeling that any "dating" guidelines need to be looked at with a grain of salt. They are guidelines, not exact rules that are carved in stone... Cliff. Johnston "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see;" from A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Padraig Mor O'Gealagain" <padraigogealagain@rogers.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 8:13 AM Subject: Re: Pre-surname era/ >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Tim Callaghan" > <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> >> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:41 AM >> Subject: Pre-surname era >> > >> > I have done a Y chromosone DNA test and have found >> connections like apparent ancesters with 'non-Callaghan' >> surnames, presumably connected before surnames were used. >> > > > My reading of DNA 'Y' Chromosome testing, tells me that if > two individuals match exactly at all ponts in a 12 marker > test, there is a 50% probability of a MRCA (Most Recent > Common Ancestor) within the last 14 generations (exact > value is14.4) . > > Now, let's assume, that a generation is 25 years, times > 14.4 indicates that 360 years ago the couple had a 50% > probability of having a common ancestor. > > What confused me was your email speculating on 'pre-surname > time' connections going that date back over 900 years. > > > **** Reply to LIST only, please. Thank you. > > Padraig > An Sean Gabhar > > > -- > ---------------------------------------- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. > It has removed 185 spam emails to date. > Paying users do not have this message in their emails. > Try www.SPAMfighter.com/pro for free now! > > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Searchable archives for IRL-CORK can be found at > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=irl-cork > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Callaghan" <tim.callaghan@4hstc.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 8:41 AM > Subject: Pre-surname era > > > > I have done a Y chromosone DNA test and have found > connections like apparent ancesters with 'non-Callaghan' > surnames, presumably connected before surnames were used. > > My reading of DNA 'Y' Chromosome testing, tells me that if two individuals match exactly at all ponts in a 12 marker test, there is a 50% probability of a MRCA (Most Recent Common Ancestor) within the last 14 generations (exact value is14.4) . Now, let's assume, that a generation is 25 years, times 14.4 indicates that 360 years ago the couple had a 50% probability of having a common ancestor. What confused me was your email speculating on 'pre-surname time' connections going that date back over 900 years. **** Reply to LIST only, please. Thank you. Padraig An Sean Gabhar -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 185 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com/pro for free now!

From the Book of Munster [O'Callaghan Genealogy]: The Race of Failbhe Flann (d. 637), son of Aodh Dubh, grandson of Criomthainn had one son: Colga. Colga's son Nad Fraoich; Nad Fraoich's son Daolghus. Daolghus' son Donnghail ; Donnghail's son Sneadghul. Sneadghul's son Arthghail ; Arthghail's son Lachtna. Lachtna's son Buadchain ; Buadchain's son Ceallachain Caisil [ of Cashel] d. 952. Ceallachain's son Donnchadh [Donough]-killed by his kinsmen 961. Donnchadh had two sons: Saoirmeathach (from whom the McCarthy's) And Murchadh [from whom the O'Callaghan's]. Murchadh's son Domhnaill ; Domhnaill's son Ceallachan [The first O'Callaghan ?]. Ceallachan's son Cinneidigh [Kennedy] ; Cinneidigh son Aodh. Aodh's son Murchad [Murtagh], Murchad's son Mathgamain [Mahon]. Mahon's son Macraith ; Macraith's son Lochlainn. [Note: From the 4 Masters: M1098.19 The son of Macraith, poet, chief poet of Munster, died.] Lochlainn's son Maol Sheachlainn [Malachy]. (Note: 4 Masters M1121.5) Maelseachlainn Ua Ceallachain, lord of Ui-Eathach-Mumhan, the splendour of the south of Munster, died. Malachy's son Macraith ; Macraith's son Cinnedhigh [Kennedy] Kennedy's son Donnchadh [Donough] . Donough's son Conchubar [Conor] Lynagh; Conor Lynagh's son Tadgh Ruadh [Red Tadgh] d. 1552 Red Tadgh's four sons: Donough [d. 1577], Cathaoir, Diarmuid, Eoghan. Donough's son Conor ; Conor's son Ceallachan [d. 1598] ; Ceallachan's son Cathaoir Modartha ; Cathaoir Modartha's sons: Donough, Tadgh, Ceallachan & Conor. Donough had five sons: Tadgh, Donough Og [Young Donough], Ceallachan & Murchadh. Tadg had three sons: Conor, Donough & Cathaoir. Ceallachan, son of Cathaoir Modartha had two sons: Ceallachan and Cinneidgh [Kennedy]. Conor, son of Cathaoir Modartha had two sons: Cathaoir [Slain in Ulster] and Tadgh [it's now 1703]. Tadgh married Mary, dau. of Cormac Spainneach [Spaniard] McCarthy of Carrignavair - she was previously wife to Donough Og [Young Donough], who was the son of Donough and grandson of Cathaoir Modartha. **** Reply to LIST only, please. Thank you. Padraig An Sean Gabhar -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 184 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try www.SPAMfighter.com/pro for free now!