I am searching for the marriage of the parents of a Mahony who became a priest. There is a slight possibility they never married. I am wondering if anyone knows what the laws of the church were in the mid 1800's. Could an illegitimate child be ordained? If not, then I should still keep looking for the marriage of his parents. Thanks for any help. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <IRL-CORK-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <IRL-CORK-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:00 AM Subject: IRL-CORK-D Digest V06 #137

David Collins, thank you for the information to help me search for my Fitzgeralds from Kilcrone, Cloyne, Cork. Kathy

Hi Kathleen, I am assuming a couple of things about your request: 1. Based on the children's' birth dates, that James and Johanna were married in 1864 or later (1864 is the first year of Irish Civil Registration). That means that their marriage record can be found through the General Register Office (GRO) marriage indexes, which are available through the LDS Family History Centers - FHC addresses can be found at <www.familysearch.org>. 2. That the children were born in Ireland, and their births would be recorded in the birth indexes of the GRO. If you find the index records, you can contact the GRO - <http://www.groireland.ie> for certificates or photocopies of the records. Happy hunting, David Collins Hudson, MA, USA IRL-CORK-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > IRL-CORK-D Digest Volume 06 : Issue 136 > >Today's Topics: > #1 Fitzgerald of Kilcrone, Cloyne, Co [Kathysean@aol.com] > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Fitzgerald of Kilcrone, Cloyne, Cork > From: > Kathysean@aol.com > Date: > Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:23:04 EDT > To: > IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com > > >I am researching the following Fitzgeralds from Kilcrone, Cloyne, Cork. > >James Fitzgerald married Johanna McGrath > >Children: > >James Fitzgerald born 10-20-1867 >John Fitzgerald born 11-11-1868 >Roger Fitzgerald born 1-19-1871 - my Great-Grandfather >Patrick Fitzgerald born 6-18-1873 >Mary Fitzgerald born 12-15-1875 > >Looking for any information on the parents and children. > > >Kathleen Fitzgerald >Delaware, USA > >

I am researching the following Fitzgeralds from Kilcrone, Cloyne, Cork. James Fitzgerald married Johanna McGrath Children: James Fitzgerald born 10-20-1867 John Fitzgerald born 11-11-1868 Roger Fitzgerald born 1-19-1871 - my Great-Grandfather Patrick Fitzgerald born 6-18-1873 Mary Fitzgerald born 12-15-1875 Looking for any information on the parents and children. Kathleen Fitzgerald Delaware, USA

Hi I am new to this list and Irish genaology has been a big black hole for me. So I would appreciate any help that can be offered My Family Names are McKENNEDY, Cornelius ( about 1790) and John (About 1817-1821 )and Matthew are common christian names. REARDON, Patrick ( born about 1821) and Michael. MIchael is Patrick's only son so maybe i can deduce from that that his Fathe was called Micahel FOLEY, Julia born about 1830) They all give their homebase as CORK, and all appearded to have left Ireland in the realy 1850's Lokking forward to any help that you can give me, Valerie in British Columbia, CANADA

>From: Sharon Haggerty < smhaggerty@shaw.ca> >Subject: Regiment in Bandon, Cork in early 1800s? >Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:47:37 -0700 >I am a descendant of Batemans who came from Rathclaren parish, south of Bandon in Cork. >Some of our family have passed down stories that refer to a Bateman who was said to have >been with a regiment headquartered at Bandon and that he trained horses for the regiment. I >think his name was probably John, but some claim it was Charles. The story is that he died >accidentally about 1825. >I would like to try to track down this elusive Bateman and am wondering if anyone can give >me any clues as to how I might find out what regiment this was. I assume the records from that >time would be in the public records office in England? From: Sharon Haggerty < smhaggerty@shaw.ca> Subject: Regiment in Bandon, Cork in early 1800s? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 19:47:37 -0700 I am a descendant of Batemans who came from Rathclaren parish,[C. of I] south of Bandon in Cork. Some of our family have passed down stories that refer to a Bateman who was said to have been with a regiment headquartered at Bandon and that he trained horses for the regiment. I think his name was probably John, but some claim it was Charles. The story is that he died accidentally about 1825. I would like to try to track down this elusive Bateman and am wondering if anyone can give me any clues as to how I might find out what regiment this was. I assume the records from that time would be in the public records office in England? The National Archives, UK http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ shows only: Item details: WO 97/477/35 : JOHN BATEMAN Born CLONAKILTY, Cork Served in 29th Foot Regiment Discharged aged 34 1825-1842 [WO means War Office] But this can't be him for at least two reasons: it's a Foot Regt. not a Cavalry Regt., and the service dates don't match your info. The catalogue doesn't list a Charles from Co.Cork. So much for the National Archives of the U.K. http://www.sci.net.au/mgrogan/cork/barracks.htm doesn't list a military barracks in Bantry. http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/guide/military.html lists some books that might be helpful in your military search for John Bateman **** Reply to LIST only, please. Thank you. Padraig An Sean Gabhar -- ---------------------------------------- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 857 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

I am a descendant of Batemans who came from Rathclaren parish, south of Bandon in Cork. Some of our family have passed down stories that refer to a Bateman who was said to have been with a regiment headquartered at Bandon and that he trained horses for the regiment. I think his name was probably John, but some claim it was Charles. The story is that he died accidentally about 1825. I would like to try to track down this elusive Bateman and am wondering if anyone can give me any clues as to how I might find out what regiment this was. I assume the records from that time would be in the public records office in England? Thanks very much. Sharon Haggerty Vancouver, BC

Off on holiday for two weeks, apologies in advance for bad weather in Dorset and Cornwall, we're known for it!! Ruth Johnson

My g-great-Grandfather, William Cooke and his wife Susanna Harvey are said to have come to America in 1870 as Methodist missionaries. William and Susanna were married at the Wesleyan Chapel, Skibbereen, Ireland on 23 October, 1863. They spent their first two years of marriage working (Missionary and teaching) in Ross Carbery, County Cork. Then returned to Armagh. William Cooke (1836-1902) is the son of William Cooke (1798-1875) and Mary Frazier, said to have lived in County Cork. Susanna Harvey(1839-1909) daughter of George Harvey (b.1798) and Elizabeth Anne Grier. All three were of Castleblayney They immigrated May 1, 1870 through New York (Ellis Island) and then to Chicago. In the U.S. Census of June 1870 they were living in New Trier, Cook County, State of Illinois – with William listed as a student. The U.S.1880 Census reported them living in Sheboygan, Wisconsin. After several postings in the Wisconsin Area, in October 1882 the Cookes were sent to Mandan, North Dakota Territory. The following March the family then moved to Gladstone, where William may have homesteaded some government land. William is said to have been in charge of the Dickinson, Gladstone and Richardton Methodist Churches. But I have no idea what this means and for what period of time. This is everything I've been able to collect so far on the Irish side of the ocean. I would appreciate any information you might be able to contribute on William and Susanna. We are living in Bristol until the end of September and are planning a trip to Ireland and Northern Ireland for sight seeing and Genealogical research. The timing on these trips has not been firmly established and could be adjusted to the convenience of the availability of information.

Hi I have the initials of some Cork newspapers 19th century. Could someone tell me what they stand for.............................C.C .... C.M.C .... C.A......C.M.I T.A .... Thank you for your help. Lorra.

Hi Lorra, The following may be help: Cork Constitution Cork Mercantile Chronicle Cork Advertiser Cork Morning Intelligencer For T. A. the only one that comes near was the Cork Total Abstainer. For other possibilities go to http://www.bl.uk/catalogues/newspapers/Results.asp?intPage=1 Regards, Brendan Jones. > Hi I have the initials of some Cork newspapers 19th century. Could someone tell me what they stand for.............................C.C .... C.M.C .... C.A......C.M.I T.A > > .... Thank you for your help. Lorra. > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > RootsWeb, a user-supported enterprise http://www.rootsweb.com/ > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > >

Hello Robin, If your people were both born in the same place and married in Ireland, it is quite possible that their marriage, their families, their Townlands are all listed in the local Parish records there in Ireland. Good luck with your new discoveries! Regards, Candi in California

Is anyone researching John Hanning and his wife Ellen Callahan? They are buried in St. Catherine of Siena's cemetery, Charlestown, NH. John died Sept. 5, 1903 at age 80, so he was born about 1823. Ellen died Jan. 14. 1895 at age 68 (born about 1827). The bottom of the tombstone says "Born in Liscarrol, Co. Cork, Ireland." I've also seen this spelled Liscarroll. Census records show them in Langdon, NH with children John (b. abt. 1847), Morris (b. abt. 1848), David b. 1859, Michael (b. abt. 1862), and Hannah (b. abt. 1864). Ellen may be the sister of my great-great-grandfather Cornelius Callahan, who settled in Charlestown in 1850, dying there in 1908. Her age is right, Cornelius' mother's name was Ellen, and there weren't many Callahans in New Hampshire. I haven't been able to determine where Cornelius was from other than County Cork. I'm assuming that the "born in Liscarrol" at the bottom of the Hanning's tombstone means they were both born there, so this could be where he came from. Robin in Maryland

I have a marriage certificate copy for Michael CARLING, son of Cornelius CARLING, age 25, a laborer, living in Aberavon, Wales, and Ellen NAHENE, a 22 year old spinster, daughter of Daniel NAHENE, also living in Aberavon. The couple was married September 19, 1860 ... Does anyone have a father - son CARLING or CARLIN as above in Cork about 1835? Thanks, Joe Nihen Lansford, PA Save a life ... adopt a pet!

Hi Candi, I know where my family wound up after leaving Aberavon, Wales ... Audenried, PA, where they mined coal. My great-grandfather, John Nihen, moved to the town where I presently reside. That part of the puzzle is known. I'm trying to trace them pre-Wales ... back to Ireland and more of the ancestors. Thanks, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: <Clzz@aol.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Irish to Wales and then Pennsylvania > Hi Joe, > > I am finding many of my Irish from Leap, Rosscarbery, Skibbereen and > Drimoleague, Cork who bailed to Dowlais, Merthyr Tydfil Wales from 1850 through > 1865. Many subsequent generations then went to Sharon (Hickory) Mercer County > (and likely Pittsburg at first), and then New Castle, Lawrence, PA. I am > researching that community movement at present. The New Castle Library has been very > helpful. > > Perhaps yours did something similar? > > Regards, > > Candi in California > > ______________________________

Hi Kae, Thank you for the time in checking for me. I know this family was in Ireland sometime between 1801 and 1851 ... next question: where? Thanks, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kae Lewis" <kae@chartertn.net> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 3:34 PM Subject: Re:Nihen > http://www.houseofnames.com/coatofarms_details.asp? > sId=&s=Nihen&a=54323-224 > > Joe, The above webpage seems to confirm your story. I think you will > have to pay attention to the variations in spelling of the name > listed, one of which was Nehane. It would have been a difficult name > for strangers to spell and there would have been many guesses and > attempts over the years. I can't find anyone with the name of Nihen > in the Cork Directories (that doesn't mean there was noone of that > name living there, just no-one with a fixed abode in Cork.) But > there are a few examples of Neenan and variants in Cork throughout > the 18th and 19th century: > William Neenan of Dromroe with 16 acres in 1870 > > Cornelius Neenan, dyer of 26 York street, Cork City in the 1842-3 > Cork PO Directory > Denis Neenan, ship chandler of 8 Market street, Cork City in the same. > > Cornelius Neenan is not there in 1824 Pigots Directory, neither is > Denis, at least not under those occupations. But in this Directory > there is: > John Neenan, vintner of 63 South Main street > > Nothing under either spelling in 1807/9 or 1787 Cork Directories > > http://www.newenglandancestors.org/education/articles/NEXUS/ > Nexus_10.3.2.asp > > Before you go much further with your Cork research, you will need to > establish whether they were RC or Protestant as the records in Cork > for that time were quite separate. > > Kae Lewis > > On Jul 9, 2006, at 12:00 PM, IRL-CORK-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > From: "Joe Nihen" <morse73@ptd.net> > > Date: July 8, 2006 5:51:25 PM EDT > > To: <IRL-CORK-D@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: Wanted; NIHEN (variety of spellings) family - Cork? > > > > > > I'm searching for the following family: > > > > DANIEL NIHEN was born Abt. 1801 in Ireland, and died June 1871 in > > Aberavon, Wales. He married ANN (NANCY) UNKNOWN. > > > > Children of DANIEL NIHEN and ANN UNKNOWN are: > > i. CORNELIUS NIHEN, b. Abt. 1833, Ireland; d. March 06, 1883, > > Silver Brook, Pennsylvania. > > ii. JOHANNA NIHEN, b. Abt. 1834, Ireland; m. JOHN CROWLEY, March > > 20, 1854, Neath, Wales. > > iii. WILLIAM L. NIGHAN, b. Abt. 1835, Ireland; m. Ellen CARLIN or > > CALDON Abt. 1860 > > iv. ELLEN NIHEN, b. Abt. 1837, Ireland > > v. JOHN NIHEN, b. January 1843, Ireland; m. Mary CLEMENS, November > > 13, 1864, Neath, Wales d. March 10, 1907, Lansford, PA. > > > > ANN (NANCY) UNKNOWN was born Abt. 1812 in Ireland, and died > > September 1876 in Aberavon, Wales. She married DANIEL NIHEN. > > > > This family was found in Aberavon, Wales, for the 1851 Census. Our > > family story has always been that they came from Cork. > > > > If the Irish naming scheme works in this instance, the father of > > Daniel could be Cornelius. > > > > I'm open to suggestions on how I might find this family in Ireland. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Joe Nihen > > Lansford, PA > > > > Save a life ... adopt a pet! > > > > ______________________________

http://members.tripod.com/~brensisk/index.html http://www.from-ireland.net/ http://scripts.ireland.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/ldspars.html http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~irishchurchrecords/index.html http://www.askaboutireland.ie/show_narrative_page_by_place.do? page_id=3066 http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmahs/ Above are some websites which might help, especially the first one. Also always Google your name and place. (ie Google "Ahem Cloyne" or "Ahem Knockanore"). And be very imaginative about the spelling of the name. Most 19th century RCs in Cork were illiterate. Where do you live? If you live in the south of US, it might be worth a trip to Birmingham Alabama to look at the Casey index (see URL below). There are some places around the world that have the full Casey index books. Its worth checking to see if there is a full set of the index at a library near you. Many specialist Irish libraries have them. As far as I know it has ever been microfilmed, not even by the LDS church. It is a marvelous index for both RC and Protestant records of Co Cork. I am not sure but I think it covers some of your Cloyne area too. http://www.rootsweb.com/~irish/igsi_published/casey.htm http://library.samford.edu/about/special.html I would also suggest that a trip to the National Library in Dublin would be useful. They have many of the RC parish registers for Co Cork. You can see their catalogue online: http://www.nli.ie/ Also a trip to Salt Lake City to see these restricted films you've seen would help too. Once you get too far along with family history research, it invariably involves travel in order to advance. The same advice applies to you too, Joe. Bon voyage, Kae Lewis On Jul 9, 2006, at 10:39 PM, KaySlainte@aol.com wrote: > Hi Kae; > > I know my ancestors were Roman Catholics. Unfortunately my maternal > ancestors were all living in the Cloyne diocese. The only places I > found them were in the 1788 religious census and the 1901 and 1911 > census'. Very limited info. > Most of my information came from my cousins still living there; > > For a fee I received info from the Mallow Heritage Center about my > great grandfather,Cornelius Ahern and his children {info that I had > sent to them} for another $85.00 they will give me anything they > have on his wife. > They were very prompt and did have his parents names & DOB. > > I volunteer at the local FHC and if I find any microfilm for this > Cork area, it's restricted. Very frustrating. There are hundreds of > RC parish records available throughout Ireland but not for Cloyne > nor for Knockanore, Waterford area. > > Do you know of any other place I can find Roman Catholic parish > records? Any help will be appreciated. > > Regards, Kay

http://www.houseofnames.com/coatofarms_details.asp? sId=&s=Nihen&a=54323-224 Joe, The above webpage seems to confirm your story. I think you will have to pay attention to the variations in spelling of the name listed, one of which was Nehane. It would have been a difficult name for strangers to spell and there would have been many guesses and attempts over the years. I can't find anyone with the name of Nihen in the Cork Directories (that doesn't mean there was noone of that name living there, just no-one with a fixed abode in Cork.) But there are a few examples of Neenan and variants in Cork throughout the 18th and 19th century: William Neenan of Dromroe with 16 acres in 1870 Cornelius Neenan, dyer of 26 York street, Cork City in the 1842-3 Cork PO Directory Denis Neenan, ship chandler of 8 Market street, Cork City in the same. Cornelius Neenan is not there in 1824 Pigots Directory, neither is Denis, at least not under those occupations. But in this Directory there is: John Neenan, vintner of 63 South Main street Nothing under either spelling in 1807/9 or 1787 Cork Directories http://www.newenglandancestors.org/education/articles/NEXUS/ Nexus_10.3.2.asp Before you go much further with your Cork research, you will need to establish whether they were RC or Protestant as the records in Cork for that time were quite separate. Kae Lewis On Jul 9, 2006, at 12:00 PM, IRL-CORK-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > From: "Joe Nihen" <morse73@ptd.net> > Date: July 8, 2006 5:51:25 PM EDT > To: <IRL-CORK-D@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Wanted; NIHEN (variety of spellings) family - Cork? > > > I'm searching for the following family: > > DANIEL NIHEN was born Abt. 1801 in Ireland, and died June 1871 in > Aberavon, Wales. He married ANN (NANCY) UNKNOWN. > > Children of DANIEL NIHEN and ANN UNKNOWN are: > i. CORNELIUS NIHEN, b. Abt. 1833, Ireland; d. March 06, 1883, > Silver Brook, Pennsylvania. > ii. JOHANNA NIHEN, b. Abt. 1834, Ireland; m. JOHN CROWLEY, March > 20, 1854, Neath, Wales. > iii. WILLIAM L. NIGHAN, b. Abt. 1835, Ireland; m. Ellen CARLIN or > CALDON Abt. 1860 > iv. ELLEN NIHEN, b. Abt. 1837, Ireland > v. JOHN NIHEN, b. January 1843, Ireland; m. Mary CLEMENS, November > 13, 1864, Neath, Wales d. March 10, 1907, Lansford, PA. > > ANN (NANCY) UNKNOWN was born Abt. 1812 in Ireland, and died > September 1876 in Aberavon, Wales. She married DANIEL NIHEN. > > This family was found in Aberavon, Wales, for the 1851 Census. Our > family story has always been that they came from Cork. > > If the Irish naming scheme works in this instance, the father of > Daniel could be Cornelius. > > I'm open to suggestions on how I might find this family in Ireland. > > Thank you, > > Joe Nihen > Lansford, PA > > Save a life ... adopt a pet! >

Can anyone help me with two issues? John F O'Donnell born in County Cork(don't know where) in Dec of 1854. He had two brothers named Peter and Patrick. Their parents were John O'Donnell and Elizabeth Carney. I wonder if anyone has information on John, Elizabeth, Peter and Patrick. O'Donnell John F O'Donnell married Bridget Doherty who was also born in County Cork to Neil Doherty and a woman named Margaret (no maiden name-yet) Neil and Margaret were married (around) 1860. in Ireland(?). Bridget had two sisters Mary , and Ellen . I would also like to learn same information about Neil, Margaret, Mary and Ellen as above. John F O'Donnell and Bridget married (dob Feb 1861) also in County Cork, married on Jan 26 1881, in County Donegal Ireland,(Carndonagh). Immigrated in April 13, 1881 to Boston Ma, My puzzle starts here. Why did they marry in County Donegal, if they were born in County Cork.? Somehow they are related to my grandmother(Mary Ann O'Donnell dob July 28, 1873 in Co Donegal Carndonagh- to James O'Donnell and Susan White Doherty). My question,/puzzle. Was my grandmother and her family related to John F O'Donnell and or Bridget Doherty. Is it the O'Donnell or Doherty that connects to my family.? Does anyone have any idea how I could untangle this puzzle?. That's part of the reason I am searching for all information availble on parents, siblings of Bridget and John's , but mostly on the parents.. Does anyone have a connection? Did they (any of them) besides John and Bridget immigrate(my grandmother did and wound up in Ma-that's another story/ . I would really love to learn about John and Bridgets parents especially, if possible. Thank you so much for any and all help . God Bless Barbara _Nsambradley@aol.com_ (mailto:Nsambradley@aol.com)

Hi Joe, I am finding many of my Irish from Leap, Rosscarbery, Skibbereen and Drimoleague, Cork who bailed to Dowlais, Merthyr Tydfil Wales from 1850 through 1865. Many subsequent generations then went to Sharon (Hickory) Mercer County (and likely Pittsburg at first), and then New Castle, Lawrence, PA. I am researching that community movement at present. The New Castle Library has been very helpful. Perhaps yours did something similar? Regards, Candi in California