According to oral family tradition, John Rooney (born abt 1833 in Ireland) & Martin Rooney (born about 1828 in Ireland) came from County Cork where they eventually settled in Paris (Edgar County), Illinois by the time of the 1860 US Census. Family oral history says that Martin met his future wife Ann Gerarty on the ship coming from Ireland sometime before 9/17/1850, and that they married in Union County, IN, on 9-17-1850 and had a son there named Edward born abt 1852, with John as a witness on the Catholic baptism record. They all later settled in Paris (Edgar County), IL, where John married Ada Davis on 04/28/1856 and had a son Thomas born about 1858 in Illinois, and Martin & Ann had John (born about 1854 in Illinois) and Catharine J. (born about 1856 in Illinois). Both John and Martin had other children later but these are the children shown as of the 1860 US Census where their name was shown as Roney. Later records show the name again as Rooney. Family records indicate that Patrick Rooney and Winnie Moran were the parents of John and Martin. I have been unable to confirm a naturalization record or ship record for them although there are many possibilities since their names are fairly common. I am waiting to hear from the courthouse in Union County, IN, about a possible naturalization record they may have. If this doesn't provide confirmation about the date and place of their emigration from Ireland, does anyone have any information about this family in Ireland or any ideas about how to get past this information to confirm/find where they came from in Ireland? I would appreciate any ideas on where to go from here. Linda Rooney Hess --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

Hi list. I have just received a marriage certificate for my ggreat-aunt's daughter, Edith Helena COGHLAN to Thomas SHERRARD in 1905 in England. Thomas is aged 51, a widower and gives his residence as Maryborough, Douglas, County Cork. His father is given as William SHERRARD, Clerk in Holy Orders (Church of Ireland) Does anyone have a connection to Thomas and his family? There are baptism records at Ballymoney for the children of the Rev William SHERRARD and Matilda and numerous other internet references to Rev William SHERRARD in various counties. Edith Helena COGHLAN was born at Lislee in 1866 where her father Heber was schoolmaster. Her mother was Mary Jane LOANE of Brinny. Any contacts welcomed. Cheers, Patsy - New Zealand

I have heard from Paddy and he has reminded me that a year and a half ago I did send him the file and I hereby publicly deeply apologize for the trouble, and in that I include all of you. I am also sorry that he was not able to answer Declan when the problem came up. At some point he sent the file to Declan without my knowledge. Since so much time had passed between my sending him my file and the truly startling message from Declan, I can only blame my early onset Alzheimer's for the gross memory failure. I will remind everyone that the file is old and contains errors that have since been resolved and which still has many questionable items yet to be resolved. Janet

This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. ---1068857017-1134348139-1155070838=:854446 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE From=20The Cork Examiner, 28 October 1864 - A MAN KILLED BY HIS BROTHER. ---------- A VERY melancholy occurrence took place on Wednesday last in the neighbourhood of Kanturk. Two young brothers, named James Casey and William, the occupiers of some land in the parish of Doon, Kingswilliamstown, which is within a short distance of Kanturk. They had had a dispute concerning some money transactions between them, which resulted in William Casey bringing a decree against his brother John for =A310. Last Wednesday William proceeded to execute the decree, when a fight took place between them. It appears both brothers fought for some time, when John took up a stone, with which he struck William on the head. The blow proved fatal, William dying on the road, after walking three miles. The unfortunate man who caused his death has not up to the present been made amenable, he having absconded immediately after the occurrence. An inquest will be held to-day on the body of the deceased. [In The Cork Examiner of 1 November 1864 it was reported that John was the= =20 one who died and the location was Knocknagree, county Cork.] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.IrelandOldNews.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ---1068857017-1134348139-1155070838=:854446--

I dont think this list is the place for this kind of thing. Read the rules of the list. Kae Lewis

On August 4th, Declan Barron sent me a Bradshaw tree which he identified as follows: "From: Declan Barron <newparkhouse.ennis@eircom.net> Mailed-By: eircom.net Reply-To: Declan Barron <newparkhouse.ennis@eircom.net> To: Janet Crawford <reojan@gmail.com> Date: Aug 4, 2006 8:01 PM Subject: Fw: Bradshaws Hi Janet, Here is the Green/Bradshaw family - No.98 Source of this tree is Paddy Waldron. Please contact me to OK it with Paddy before passing it on Declan" I have repeatedly asked Declan to have Paddy Waldron contact me to no avail. I am therefore doing this through the lists. Paddy Waldron, how did you come to have the work of Richard Bradshaw and myself? How did it come to be re-entitled "Green/Bradshaw family - No. 98" Why would Declan believe this to be your work and need your permission to be shared? Where has it been published? For everyone else - To top it off, this material is an OLD copy of the Bradshaw tree, which itself is a work in progress, meant only for members of the Bradshaw family, and WHICH STILL CONTAINS A SUBSTANTIAL NUMBER OF ERRORS YET TO BE RECONCILED by the family. It was never intended to be a document to be published in way, shape or format due to many inconsistancies in information received from various people. I specifically mention this as any Green who depends on the Green information contained within it will be led astray as new information has caused the children assigned to Green to be seriously questioned. Newer versions of this tree have clarified many items. To depend on what is called "Green/Bradshaw - No. 98" for accurate information would be foolish. Am I angry? - yes indeedy do! I am waiting to hear from you, Mr. Paddy Waldron. Tappity-tappity-tap-tap-tap Janet

Hi Is there someone who is able to access records held at the railway museum at Hueston Station in Dublin. I'm trying to find out more about a family who worked on the railways during the 1870s and 1880s in Cork and Tippeary. If so, please contact me off list for details. Thanks =================== Visit my website at http://cmahoney.orcon.net.nz/

It has just indirectly come to my attention that an 81 page document putting together the Bradshaw family in Ireland and England is the work of a yet to be named individual. For the record this is the work of Richard Bradshaw in England and myself and we have the records and correspondence to prove it. I have been very generous in sharing this tree with the members of the Bradshaw family and somehow this person has obtained a copy and is apparently promoting it as his work. Disgraceful! Janet

Hi, I'm searching for a birth or baptism record for Patrick J. O'CONNELL, or the marriage record of his parents. Patrick J. O'Connell's 1929 death certificate says that he was born 21 April 1861, although census records rage between 1853 and 1860. His parents were Patrick J. O'Connell and Mary DONEGAN. Family lore has it that the O'Connell family were from Cork. Thanks, John F

Kathy, While they might accept American checks, they pay a high fee for converting the check from USD to Euros. In the end, they do not receive their total fee because of the conversion fee. It is far better for you to convert the USD to Euros. A website I have recommended is: http://www.foreignmoney.com/. It only costs $10 for the conversion to Euros. They will contact you within a day or two regarding your order, then you will have the money order you can send to County Cork by the end of the week. There are other sites, from what I understand, but this is by far the cheapest. Bill Karr in Peoria, IL., USA ----- Original Message ----- From: Kathysean@aol.com Date: Sunday, July 30, 2006 9:51 Subject: Help With A Letter To County Cork To: IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com > Hello, > > I found out where to write for a Baptismal Record for my > Gr.Grandfather in > Cloyne, Cork. > > My question is > > After I write the letter, do I go to the Post Office and get > special postage > (overseas) and also I would like to send a donation to the > Priest for > searching, copying and postage back to the United States. > How would I go about doing that also, and who would sell what I need? > > I don't think they would take american checks. > > Thank you for any help you can give me. > > > > Kathleen Fitzgerald Sharkey > > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb in data acquisition > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family > and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

HI Kathy Many banks have international money orders, that may be your least costly route and the easiest for the recipient to deal with. Muriel <snip>>> Cloyne, Cork. >> >> My question is >> >> After I write the letter, do I go to the Post Office and get >> special postage >> (overseas) and also I would like to send a donation to the >> Priest for >> searching, copying and postage back to the United States. >> How would I go about doing that also, and who would sell what I need? >> >> I don't think they would take american checks. >> >> Thank you for any help you can give me. >> >> >> >> Kathleen Fitzgerald Sharkey >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== >> Support RootsWeb in data acquisition >> http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html >> >> ============================== >> Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family >> and the >> areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >> Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb in data acquisition > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

In a message dated 7/30/2006 9:52:17 AM Central Standard Time, Kathysean@aol.com writes: I don't think they would take american checks. They do accept American checks. But make it for $25 or more. David O'Keefe Houston, TX

Hello, I found out where to write for a Baptismal Record for my Gr.Grandfather in Cloyne, Cork. My question is After I write the letter, do I go to the Post Office and get special postage (overseas) and also I would like to send a donation to the Priest for searching, copying and postage back to the United States. How would I go about doing that also, and who would sell what I need? I don't think they would take american checks. Thank you for any help you can give me. Kathleen Fitzgerald Sharkey

To Sharon: Does LDS have all the volumes? I did look there but only located a reference to a single item # on one reel which led me to believe it was only partial. And thank you to those others who answered my request for what information was in these volumes. It was very helpful. Bonnie

Fascinating! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Nihen" <morse73@ptd.net> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 5:11 PM Subject: Re: In the mid 1800's could an illegitimate male become a priest? > Hi Jan, > > I can answer that question from the Code of Canon Law from 1917, which was > in effect until 1983: "Illegitimate birth: bastards, even when their > status > is not public, are irregular and can't be ordained." > > This was one of many "irregularities" that precluded one from the > priesthood. Others were missing a thumb or index finger (which must hold > the Host), incomprehensible mumblers or stutterers, those who cannot > tolerate any alcohol, those whose appearance would move the crowd to > horror > or derision, such as the severely deformed or hunchbacked; defect in the > mind: those who are or have been epileptic, those who are or have been > insane ... > > I cannot put my hands on anything pre-1917 at the moment, but I cannot > imagine things being "easier" during the 1800's. > > Happy Hunting! > > Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> > To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:02 PM > Subject: In the mid 1800's could an illegitimate male become a priest? > > >> I am searching for the marriage of the parents of a Mahony who became a >> priest. There is a slight possibility they never married. I am wondering > if >> anyone knows what the laws of the church were in the mid 1800's. Could an >> illegitimate child be ordained? If not, then I should still keep looking >> for the marriage of his parents. >> >> Thanks for any help. >> Jan >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <IRL-CORK-D-request@rootsweb.com> >> To: <IRL-CORK-D@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:00 AM >> Subject: IRL-CORK-D Digest V06 #137 >> >> ______________________________ > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Searchable archives for IRL-CORK can be found at > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=irl-cork > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx >

Hello Bonnie, Some years ago, I spent a lot of time at the State Library of New South Wales, in Sydney, going through the "O'Keif, etc" volumes, extracting Toomey information. It was a huge job even though there are indexes as the indexes are not perfect. Basically, these books contain information about families in the West Cork and East Kerry area of Munster, Ireland and in many instances are transcripts of the surviving church records, including the Roman Catholic Church. Some of these were originally written in Latin and are open to the vagaries of translation. In many instances these books contain the only information available in many rural parishes of southern Ireland. Because they are transcripts, it is likely they would contain dates and places. However, they can be a bit of a lottery and only by looking at the volumes will you know if there is more information recorded. Unfortunately, I have moved away from Sydney and do not have access to them anymore. Have you considered trying to contact the person who put the information into Ancestry.com? I wish you the best with your research. Regards...Rex Toomey Port Macquarie NSW Australia -----Original Message----- From: B1house@aol.com [mailto:B1house@aol.com] Sent: Friday, 28 July 2006 11:51 AM To: IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Book information Dear listers: On Ancestry.com I have found a reference to a marriage in 1815 between James PURVIS and Elizabeth PATTERSON in the Diocese of Cork & Ross. The book that it came from is a series of volumes titled "Index of O'Kief, Coshe Mange, Slieve Lougher and Upper Blackwater in Ireland", 16 volumes, Birmingham, Alabama, Knocknagree Historical Fund, 1952, 1971. Authors are Albert Eugene Casey, Eleanor L. Downey-Prince, and Ursula Dietrich. Is anyone out there familiar with these volumes? My question is whether it is worth paying a research fee to a library to check this marriage to see if there is further information, such as exact date, exact location, etc. I have located the volumes in several libraries but there is a fee for research and hate to pay $25 to find out what is on Ancestry.com is all there is. Any suggestions are appreciated. Bonnie House

I have run across many dispensations allowing illegitimate sons to become priests. For hundreds of years, it seemed to be the proferred profession for them. I am sure it continued into the 1800's as did priests' marriages. Janet On 7/28/06, Joe Nihen <morse73@ptd.net> wrote: > Hi Jan, > > I can answer that question from the Code of Canon Law from 1917, which was > in effect until 1983: "Illegitimate birth: bastards, even when their status > is not public, are irregular and can't be ordained." > > This was one of many "irregularities" that precluded one from the > priesthood. Others were missing a thumb or index finger (which must hold > the Host), incomprehensible mumblers or stutterers, those who cannot > tolerate any alcohol, those whose appearance would move the crowd to horror > or derision, such as the severely deformed or hunchbacked; defect in the > mind: those who are or have been epileptic, those who are or have been > insane ... > > I cannot put my hands on anything pre-1917 at the moment, but I cannot > imagine things being "easier" during the 1800's. > > Happy Hunting! > > Joe > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> > To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:02 PM > Subject: In the mid 1800's could an illegitimate male become a priest? > > > > I am searching for the marriage of the parents of a Mahony who became a > > priest. There is a slight possibility they never married. I am wondering > if > > anyone knows what the laws of the church were in the mid 1800's. Could an > > illegitimate child be ordained? If not, then I should still keep looking > > for the marriage of his parents. > > > > Thanks for any help. > > Jan > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <IRL-CORK-D-request@rootsweb.com> > > To: <IRL-CORK-D@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:00 AM > > Subject: IRL-CORK-D Digest V06 #137 > > > > ______________________________ > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Searchable archives for IRL-CORK can be found at > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=irl-cork > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Hi Jan, I can answer that question from the Code of Canon Law from 1917, which was in effect until 1983: "Illegitimate birth: bastards, even when their status is not public, are irregular and can't be ordained." This was one of many "irregularities" that precluded one from the priesthood. Others were missing a thumb or index finger (which must hold the Host), incomprehensible mumblers or stutterers, those who cannot tolerate any alcohol, those whose appearance would move the crowd to horror or derision, such as the severely deformed or hunchbacked; defect in the mind: those who are or have been epileptic, those who are or have been insane ... I cannot put my hands on anything pre-1917 at the moment, but I cannot imagine things being "easier" during the 1800's. Happy Hunting! Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: In the mid 1800's could an illegitimate male become a priest? > I am searching for the marriage of the parents of a Mahony who became a > priest. There is a slight possibility they never married. I am wondering if > anyone knows what the laws of the church were in the mid 1800's. Could an > illegitimate child be ordained? If not, then I should still keep looking > for the marriage of his parents. > > Thanks for any help. > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <IRL-CORK-D-request@rootsweb.com> > To: <IRL-CORK-D@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 11:00 AM > Subject: IRL-CORK-D Digest V06 #137 > > ______________________________

The O'Kief, etc. volumes are available on microfiche through the Family History Centres. I have used them and found them reasonably legible. Sharon Haggerty Vancouver, BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne" <ym2me@tsn.cc> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 4:02 PM Subject: RE: Book information > Hello Bonnie, > > Some years ago, I spent a lot of time at the State Library of New South > Wales, in Sydney, going through the "O'Keif, etc" volumes, extracting > Toomey > information. It was a huge job even though there are indexes as the > indexes > are not perfect. Basically, these books contain information about > families > in the West Cork and East Kerry area of Munster, Ireland and in many > instances are transcripts of the surviving church records, including the > Roman Catholic Church. Some of these were originally written in Latin and > are open to the vagaries of translation. In many instances these books > contain the only information available in many rural parishes of southern > Ireland. > > Because they are transcripts, it is likely they would contain dates and > places. However, they can be a bit of a lottery and only by looking at the > volumes will you know if there is more information recorded. > Unfortunately, > I have moved away from Sydney and do not have access to them anymore. Have > you considered trying to contact the person who put the information into > Ancestry.com? > > I wish you the best with your research. > > Regards...Rex Toomey > Port Macquarie NSW > Australia > > -----Original Message----- > From: B1house@aol.com [mailto:B1house@aol.com] > Sent: Friday, 28 July 2006 11:51 AM > To: IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Book information > > Dear listers: > > On Ancestry.com I have found a reference to a marriage in 1815 between > James > > PURVIS and Elizabeth PATTERSON in the Diocese of Cork & Ross. The book > that > > it came from is a series of volumes titled "Index of O'Kief, Coshe Mange, > Slieve Lougher and Upper Blackwater in Ireland", 16 volumes, Birmingham, > Alabama, > Knocknagree Historical Fund, 1952, 1971. Authors are Albert Eugene Casey, > Eleanor L. Downey-Prince, and Ursula Dietrich. > > Is anyone out there familiar with these volumes? My question is whether > it > is worth paying a research fee to a library to check this marriage to see > if > > there is further information, such as exact date, exact location, etc. I > have > located the volumes in several libraries but there is a fee for research > and > > hate to pay $25 to find out what is on Ancestry.com is all there is. > > Any suggestions are appreciated. > > Bonnie House > > > ==== IRL-CORK Mailing List ==== > Support RootsWeb in data acquisition > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Dear listers: On Ancestry.com I have found a reference to a marriage in 1815 between James PURVIS and Elizabeth PATTERSON in the Diocese of Cork & Ross. The book that it came from is a series of volumes titled "Index of O'Kief, Coshe Mange, Slieve Lougher and Upper Blackwater in Ireland", 16 volumes, Birmingham, Alabama, Knocknagree Historical Fund, 1952, 1971. Authors are Albert Eugene Casey, Eleanor L. Downey-Prince, and Ursula Dietrich. Is anyone out there familiar with these volumes? My question is whether it is worth paying a research fee to a library to check this marriage to see if there is further information, such as exact date, exact location, etc. I have located the volumes in several libraries but there is a fee for research and hate to pay $25 to find out what is on Ancestry.com is all there is. Any suggestions are appreciated. Bonnie House