I agree with that. Also look for brothers and sisters on the census of 1st generation immigrants. I could not find my husband's grandparents in the census. I finally started looking at her relatives. When I found her brother on the census I realized that my family was next door - the census taker reversed the name. I assume the Irish brogue made one of them difficult to understand. Cheryl . > > Sue Richart <srichart4@gmail.com> wrote: Chris, > Just a reminder, look for family that immigrated much later and stayed > with > your family after they arrived. > > Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, > Chris > >

With the cost of headstones being a bit pricy for some it makes sense to have one real nice one for an area or family plot and to have all the names put on the one stone. I've seen that a lot looking for my family in Irish Catholic cemeteries in New York. That plus after a certain number of years because of decomposition you can stack coffins. After finding some of my family in New York the care takers there told me 1. I had family there. 2. There was still room in a few of the family plots. and 3. I owed upkeep costs on the plot. If I could show direct relationship to the past owner I could "move in". I came back to Los Angeles and told my New York husband we had property right next to where he grew up. He asked about the "neighborhood" so I read off a few names and he said it sounded good to him. ----- Original Message ----- From: "kaye vernon" <kjvernon@bigpond.net.au> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:23 AM Subject: Re: (CORK) Where do I look? > well surely they wouldnt all be buried in the same grave........it would > be > mighty crowded. > Kaye > www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Esme You could write to the local church incl. a small donation. Also,look in the griffiths valuation for the townland (early 1850's) Perhaps the clergy could give you siblings.He might refer you to the Mallow heritage centre...... if thats the case I'm afraid you have to get your cheque book out. Good luck,Kevin,Co Cork,Ireland. > > I am new to the list and where do I look for Matthew Dodd, born Mallow 1836 Father Richard, Mother Honora? Esme Dodd. > Esme Dodd > esdodd@bigpond.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > www.ancestralservices.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

Hi Kaye,Just to letr you know there are 8 names on the one headstone belonging to me. With the exception of one child all adult. Regards,Kevin, Co Cork Ireland > > I am not 100% sure, but I believe that in Ireland there are instances where > they put the death details on the headstone sometimes where people have died > elsewhere. > I had a few instances where I saw headstones in Ireland where there were a > dozen or more names on the one headstone, obviously they were not all in the > grave.......so could have easily died elsewhere. > Kaye > > www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MARY THOMAS" <coloknight@verizon.net> > To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:56 AM > Subject: Re: (CORK) Where do I look? > > > > Hi Hilary, > > > > My grandfather had a photo of a gravestone erected for Patrick and > > Hannah. Those were his grandparent's names > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > www.ancestralservices.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

Another great idea! Thank you. I've been entering their names but not their parents and their parents but not the children. Thanks. KaySlainte@aol.com wrote: You might try www.familysearch.org Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, Chris

Excellent idea!! I'm on it. Thank you. Sue Richart <srichart4@gmail.com> wrote: Chris, Just a reminder, look for family that immigrated much later and stayed with your family after they arrived. Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, Chris

Hi Hilary, My grandfather had a photo of a gravestone erected for Patrick and Hannah. Those were his grandparent's names and I've since learned that they were both born in Cork but they died in the US...her in Detroit and I'm assuming he died in Vermont...so I dismissed the stone. Especially when I learned that his great grandparents were Patrick and Margaret and the stone was in Tralee and Tralee is in Kerry. The stone read: "Erected, by their children, in, loving memory, Knockbrack, Patrick Sullivan died 21 March 1905 (03?) age 76 years, and, his wife, Hannah, died 19 June 1912, age 74". The dates were another reason I dismissed it. According to their marriage record, my Patrick was born around 1830 which is close but he died between 1860 and 1870. I even figured into the equation that he didn't die in the accepted sense but maybe ran off. The problem then boiled down to Hannah. My Hannah died around 1893 and she was born about 1835. The Hannah on the stone was born in 1838 and died almost twenty years later than mine. I finally decided that my grandfather...for reasons only he knew...held onto a photo of a memorial stone that was in the wrong county and erected to the wrong Patrick and Hannah. Of course, now that I'm looking at how close the birthdates are, I'm beginning to second guess myself. All I know for certain is that Hannah disappeared from the census and directories around 1893. Maybe she went back to Ireland. Maybe she listed herself as a widow for her children's sake. Maybe somehow they wound up buried together in Kerry because both had lied about being born in Cork. Lord, I'm confused! Any ideas? Chris in Michigan Moonshadow242@aol.com wrote: I found my great grandparents' parish of origin in Ireland on their gravestone. All of the census and other documents that I had seen listed only Ireland, but when I made a trip to the graveyard, the parish was listed on their stone

Chris, I found my great grandparents' parish of origin in Ireland on their gravestone. All of the census and other documents that I had seen listed only Ireland, but when I made a trip to the graveyard, the parish was listed on their stone (and some of the people buried near them had their points of origin listed, too.) Good luck! Hilary

Hi Chris ,I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I can assure you those names would be widespread within the county. In fact the chances of finding them would be near impossible without knowing the parish where they came from. I am sorry but there isn't much you can do. Best regards,Kevin, Co Cork, > > Hi all, > My Patrick O'Sullivan married Margaret O'Brien in Cork. None of the US documents on their children who emigrated list anything more than Cork so my question is...where in Cork would I find both these families? I know there were O'Sullivan's in Bantry and O'Briens in Imokilly and I admit that I'm geographically challenged but they seem to be at opposite ends of the county. I tried a Google map but Imokilly didn't compute. > > Can anyone set me straight? Give me some idea where I should be looking? The two sons of the couple that I know of were born in 1829 and 1830. > > Chris > Cold and wet in Muskegon, Michigan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > www.ancestralservices.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

Chris; You might try www.familysearch.org . When it comes up click "advanced search" . Then enter on the right hand side parents names and you may get results. The dates are early but you may be lucky!! Kay

Chris, Just a reminder, look for family that immigrated much later and stayed with your family after they arrived. Quite often the next generation of children, nieces and nephews, came to stay with their aunts and uncles in the U.S. They might have more detailed information. My great-grandmother immigrated in 1880 with only Ireland indicated as place of birth on all papers. Forty-three years later, her nephews immigrated. The nephews showed up in the 1930 census about a block away and a check of the city directory for the years between 1920 and 1930 showed they lived with my great-grandparents for the first three years after arriving in the U.S. One had my great-grandparent's address listed on his naturalization petition. I never expected to find great-grandmother's home, but it did happen. Sue Richart > > Can anyone set me straight? Give me some idea where I should be > looking? The two sons of the couple that I know of were born in 1829 and > 1830. > > Chris > Cold and wet in Muskegon, Michigan >

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Thanks, Kevin. I was afraid of that. Guess I'll go back to dreaming that someday I'll walk around the corner and someone will wop me in the head with the Sullivan family bible...complete with a full genealogy of my family back to Milesius. I've been checking the passenger lists during the famine but I get the feeling that my fellas came over later. Patrick and Jeremiah, sons of Patrick O'Sullivan and Margaret O'Brien are first found in Essex County, Massachusetts in the early to mid 1850's. Jeremiah married Margaret Warren d/o Daniel and Mary of Kerry on 19 Nov 1854 in Newburyport, MA. Daniel Warren was listed as deceased. Patrick married Hannah Wallace daughter of William and Hannah of Cork on 27 Oct 1855 in Newburyport. I haven't found Patrick and Margaret on the US census reports so I'm assuming they didn't immigrate. Good old County Cork is my brickwall. A big part of my problem is that I haven't studied that era or Cork well enough to understand the way things worked. Now ask me about my Frenchmen and I can practically tell you what they were thinking four hundred years ago. Sorry for babbling on...I get this way when I'm frustrated. Thanks for answering my post and forgive me for wishing my fellas weren't from such a prolific family. kevin <kevinmcc59@eircom.net> wrote: Hi Chris ,I hate to be the bearer of bad news but I can assure you those names would be widespread within the county. Stay well, stay safe, and may you always have enough, Chris

Hi all, My Patrick O'Sullivan married Margaret O'Brien in Cork. None of the US documents on their children who emigrated list anything more than Cork so my question is...where in Cork would I find both these families? I know there were O'Sullivan's in Bantry and O'Briens in Imokilly and I admit that I'm geographically challenged but they seem to be at opposite ends of the county. I tried a Google map but Imokilly didn't compute. Can anyone set me straight? Give me some idea where I should be looking? The two sons of the couple that I know of were born in 1829 and 1830. Chris Cold and wet in Muskegon, Michigan

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***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- This is from the New York Times of September 14, 2006, also from September 15, 2006 N.P.R. Morning Edition http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6080581 Story of the First Through Ellis Island Is Rewritten By SAM ROBERTS Annie Moore is memorialized by bronze statues in New York Harbor and Ireland and cited in story and song as the first of 12 million immigrants to arrive at Ellis Island. Her story, as it has been recounted for decades, is that she went west with her family to fulfill the American dream - eventually reaching Texas, where she married a descendant of the Irish liberator Daniel O'Connell and then died accidentally under the wheels of a streetcar at the age of 46. The first part of the myth seems authentic enough. Hustled ahead of a burly German by her two younger brothers and by an Irish longshoreman who shouted "Ladies first," one Annie Moore from County Cork set foot on Ellis Island ahead of the other passengers from the steamship Nevada on Jan. 1, 1892, her 15th birthday. She was officially registered by the former private secretary to the secretary of the treasury and was presented with a $10 gold piece by the superintendent of immigration. "She says she will never part with it, but will always keep it as a pleasant memento of the occasion," The New York Times reported in describing the ceremonies inaugurating Ellis Island. As for what happened next, though, history appears to have embraced the wrong Annie Moore. "It's a classic go-West-young-woman tale riddled with tragedy," said Megan Smolenyak Smolenyak, a professional genealogist. "If only it were true." In fact, according to Mrs. Smolenyak Smolenyak's research, the Annie Moore of Ellis Island fame settled on the Lower East Side, married a bakery clerk and had 11 children. She lived a poor immigrant's life, but her descendants multiplied and many prospered. The story of the immigrant girl who went west, however, became so commonly accepted that even descendants of the Annie Moore who died in Texas came to believe it. Over the years, several have been invited to participate at ceremonies on Ellis Island and in Ireland. It took some genealogical detective work to find the proper Annie. After offering a $1,000 reward on the Internet a few months ago for information about Annie Moore, Mrs. Smolenyak Smolenyak teamed up with New York City's commissioner of records, Brian G. Andersson, and discovered the woman who they have concluded is, in fact, the iconic Annie Moore. Joined by several of her descendants, they are scheduled to announce the results of their research tomorrow at the New York Genealogical and Biographical Society in Manhattan. Mrs. Smolenyak Smolenyak (a genealogist's dream: she's a Smolenyak married to a previously unrelated Smolenyak) became interested in Annie Moore four years ago while researching a documentary film on immigration. Pursuing the paper trail, she found that the Annie who died instantly when struck by a streetcar near Fort Worth in 1923 was not an immigrant at all but was apparently born in Illinois. Moreover, she traced that Moore family to Texas as early as 1880. "I realized it was the wrong Annie," she recalled. Then, what had happened to the Ellis Island Annie? Mrs. Smolenyak Smolenyak made little progress for a few years, but her search was reinvigorated this year after she moved to southern New Jersey and visited a genealogical exhibition in Philadelphia featuring a 1910 photograph of the Texas Annie. (The photograph might also have been a model for Jeanne Rynhart's two bronze sculptures, one of which is at Ellis Island.) She posted a challenge on her blog for information about the immigrant Annie Moore. She also mentioned it to Mr. Andersson, who she knew was very interested in genealogy. "With the power of the Internet and a handful of history geeks we cracked this baby in six weeks," she said. "Brian found this one document, and we knew we had the right family. We had the smoking gun." What Mr. Andersson found was the naturalization certificate belonging to Annie's brother Phillip, who arrived with her on the steamship. He was also listed in the 1930 census with a daughter, Anna. They found Anna in the Social Security death index. That identification led to her son, who is Annie Moore's great-nephew. On her first try, Mrs. Smolenyak Smolenyak was lucky enough to find the great-nephew listed in a directory. "As soon as I said 'Annie Moore,' he knew instantly - 'That's us,' " she said. "They had been overlooked, but they had sort of resigned themselves. I think they're very happy to be found." Her $1,000 reward is to be split between Mr. Andersson, who is donating it, and Annie's great-niece. As for Edward P. Wood, a New Jersey plumbing contractor who is descended from the Texas Annie Moore and has been feted on Ellis Island, Mrs. Smolenyak Smolenyak said that when she told him of her findings, he said, "I'm disappointed, but I'm not heartbroken." The Annie Moore who arrived in steerage and inaugurated Ellis Island initially joined her parents, who had arrived several years earlier, apparently in a five-story brick tenement at 32 Monroe Street in Manhattan. (One of many problems that complicated Mrs. Smolenyak Smolenyak's search, she said, is there is also a 32 Monroe Street in Brooklyn.) Records indicate that Annie Moore later moved to, among other places, a nearby apartment on New Chambers Street - near the Newsboys' Lodging House and the Third Avenue El on the Bowery. The area now includes the Alfred E. Smith Houses, a public project constructed in the early 1950's and named for the governor who grew up nearby, and the Knickerbocker Village complex of rental apartments built in the 1930's. "She had the typical hardscrabble immigrant life," Mrs. Smolenyak Smolenyak said. "She sacrificed herself for future generations." According to her latest research, Annie's father was a longshoreman. She married a bakery clerk. They had at least 11 children. Five survived to adulthood and three had children of their own. She died of heart failure in 1924 at 47. Her brother Anthony, who arrived with Annie and Philip on the Nevada, died in his 20's in the Bronx and was temporarily buried in potter's field. Annie lived and died within a few square blocks on the Lower East Side, where some of her descendants lived until just recently. She is buried with 6 of her 11 children (five infants and one who survived to 21) alongside the famous and forgotten in a Queens cemetery. Her living descendants include great-grandchildren, the great-nephew and the great-niece. One of the descendants is an investment counselor and another a Ph.D. Mrs. Smolenyak Smolenyak described them as "poster children" for immigrant America, with Irish, Jewish, Italian and Scandinavian surnames. "It's an all-American family," she said. "Annie would have been proud." So far, this turns out to be one of the few cases in which historical revisionism may have enhanced a legacy instead of subverting it. As one guidebook says: "Annie Moore came to America bearing little more than her dreams; she stayed to help build a country enriched by diversity." --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? 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Several years ago, Cindy, I downloaded a one page diagram showing the cross relationships from the Genealogy Research Library (GRL) founded and operated out of Brampton, Ontario. Their 'Holdings' for Canadian research are extensive, but it is a subscription members only with the most reasonable fees, for example Cdn$75. per year with full accession a 24/365 basis see http://www.grl.com/ for full details, if interested. "***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please! ***** ***** And, thanks for such consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: <Ndhockey49112@aol.com> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] First cousins > One of the more interesting local family history thesis that I read > recently > took the relationship question to considerable lengths. That man took a > couple, Joshua Keays (1896-1976) and his wife Mary Anne Keays (Keays at > birth, > Keays at death, 1907-1964) and computed their relationship through a > myriad of > ancestors. He wound up with 2nd cousins, 3rd cousins, 3 cousins once > removed, 5th cousins, and on and on. His thesis premise was the myriad > of ways N. > Tipperary and Limerick Protestants wound up being related to each other, > but > I'd guess it applies to just about any family in Ireland in the 1800 and > 1900s. Gives a lot of credibility to that old ditty "I'm my own > grandpa". > > Cindy

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