I subscribe to several lists digest form and on the other lists can just double click to get the attachment. All emails come up, one after the other. I just have to scroll down. With the Cork list, I have to go back to open EACH EMAIL separately. This is a real nuisance. I am wondering why the Cork list is set up differently from the others. thank you, Jan janfortado@comcast.net

It's also common on graves owned by financially well off families to line the four edges of the grave plot with stone edging on which inscriptions can be shown . I'm referring to Limerick city municipal cemeteries and also in St. Mary's Cathedral and St. Munchin's (both C. of I. ) churchyards. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Troy" <sbtroy@comcast.net> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: Re: (CORK) Where do I look? > The following is only tangentially connected to the Irish cemetery > discussion, but I concur that the headstones are not proof of who's buried > somewhere. I know that a seller of headstones will consider how many > people > are expected to go into a plot before deciding how much space can be > allotted to the first name that goes on a stone. So if more people get > added > to the plot than were originally planned, there's not enough room to fit > the > added names in. Not that I know that such planning went into headstone > inscriptions going back hundreds of years ago, but you can see how if > there's an unpredictable number of people who can be added to a plot, > there's no easy way to plan whose name will go on there. > > And then there's this issue in my family: My great-aunt had her and her > husband's names engraved on the headstone on the plot she intended them to > be buried in, which was next to her parents in the cemetery. However, she > died before he did, so when it came time to bury her, he said, "We'll be > buried with my family." So she was buried in another area of the cemetery, > and he joined her a few years later. Their names are on both headstones. > No > one's gotten around to removing their names from the place where they're > not > buried. It's pretty expensive to do so, and no one else has needed that > space yet. > > So a name on a headstone doesn't necessarily mean the body's down below. > > > On 9/21/06 2:34 PM, "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well, that's another problem, Beth. Not all ARE on the headstone. In >> fact, sometimes very few of them are on there...but they are down >> there. >> >> Janet >> >> On 9/21/06, Beth Glaser <eaglaser@ix.netcom.com> wrote: >>> With the cost of headstones being a bit pricy for some it makes sense to >>> have one real nice one for an area or family plot and to have all the >>> names >>> put on the one stone. I've seen that a lot looking for my family in >>> Irish >>> Catholic cemeteries in New York. That plus after a certain number of >>> years >>> because of decomposition you can stack coffins. After finding some of my >>> family in New York the care takers there told me 1. I had family there. >>> 2. >>> There was still room in a few of the family plots. and 3. I owed upkeep >>> costs on the plot. If I could show direct relationship to the past owner >>> I >>> could "move in". I came back to Los Angeles and told my New York husband >>> we >>> had property right next to where he grew up. He asked about the >>> "neighborhood" so I read off a few names and he said it sounded good to >>> him. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "kaye vernon" <kjvernon@bigpond.net.au> >>> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:23 AM >>> Subject: Re: (CORK) Where do I look? >>> >>> >>>> well surely they wouldnt all be buried in the same grave........it >>>> would >>>> be >>>> mighty crowded. >>>> Kaye

I have this tombstone website. I think it's still going. The last message I received was in August. IRL-TOMBSTONE-INSCRIPTIONS-L@rootsweb.com Sheila Bransfield Kent, UK

Thank you for your response. It is Michael's son, John, that was born 4 Feb. 1878. I could not find any information on his father Michael, his mother Mary Hayes, nor his four siblings born between 1879 and 1889. They emigrated from Ireland to the about 1890-1891. I am at a loss as to where in Cork they were from. I cannot seem to locate them on any ship or note their arrival as yet, only have the date 1891 from the 1900 census. I will certainly try your suggestions. Thank you. John Connolly Male ____________________________________ Event(s): Birth: 04 FEB 1878 , Cork, Ireland Christening: Death: Burial: ____________________________________ Parents: Father: _Michael Connolly_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=100278540683&lds=1&region=2&frompage=1) _Family_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/family_group_record.asp?familyid=300376638&indi_id=100278540683&lds=1&region=2&frompage=1) Mother: _Mary Hayes Connolly_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/individual_record.asp?recid=100278540684&lds=1&region=2&frompage=1) ____________________________________ Source Information: Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type: _C006341_ (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/igi/search_igi.asp?batch_number=C006341&region=2) Film Sheet:

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Yes, go to an LDS Family History Centre and get Film # 0101055 (1978) which is the index, when you find him note the page and volume number, with the volume number, ask the staff to bring in the FULL film from which you can have a copy made of the record. Bye the way, I checked just now on www.familysearch.org and could not locate a Michael Connolly, b. 4 Feb, 1878, Cork, or the Batch film number C006341 (batch films contain all the births they copied from actual Irish civil records, I believe for their own use only ). ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: <LindaG2854@aol.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:40 PM Subject: John Connolly > Hello, Listers. I have the information from familysearch.org. John > Connolly date of birth > 4 Feb 1878, Cork, son of Michael Connolly and Mary Hayes Connolly. The > batch is listed as C006341 but I am unable to get that film. Is there > anyone who > might have access to this and provide more information to me as to how I > could get a copy of this birth/baptismal information? Thank you, Linda

Susan Troy <sbtroy@comcast.net> said: >Wow. I knew we did double-deep here in the US. Hadn't heard about >triple-deep. I know for double-deep, the hole is 12 feet, so triple-deep >would mean an 18 foot hole! Where do you get the idea that "double-deep" would be 12 feet? If the proverbial "six feet under" refers to the distance from the surface to the top of the coffin, or concrete chamber, and the coffin took up about two feet of vertical space, then you would need to dig a hole 8 feet deep for a single, 10 feet for a double, or 12 feet for a triple. In fact, I think the original six foot measurement referred to the depth of the hole before the coffin was placed in it, in which case you would only need a 10-foot deep hole for a triple to be four feet below the surface. -dja

Hi all I thought I would post a list of the surnames I am researching in case others may be able to liaise and exchange information. My main area is the LESLIE family who were in Cork from at least the 1730s- the others are linked by early marriages (1800s). LESLIE, HENDLEY, PEACOCK, DORMAN, IZOD, FALKINER, COLLIS COOKE, LONGFIELD and HYDE Hope to hear from someone Regards Beverly

Dear All I have been interested in the discussion regarding the possibility of inscriptions not always reflecting what lies beneath. I have been sent details of a family burial place in St Finbarr's cemetery. It is adorned by a large Celtic cross and is "The family burial place of the Rev R I U Leslie of Wilton Co Cork" There are various inscriptions - one of which is that of his eldest son Charles Henry Falkiner Leslie who died in India in 1898 at the age of 25. It is fairly obvious - although the stone does not actually say so - that Charles does not lie in this plot. The inscription is there as a memorial to him. In fact this could be the case with many young soldiers who went out to india from Cork in the 1800s and who never returned. There was, I believe, an East India Company recruiting office in Cork at this time. I am researching the Leslie family of Cork and would love to hear from anyone sharing this link. Regards Beverly

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it seems we are getting carried away a bit here.We can't do our research by making wild guesses.They are either buried there or they aren't. We can't fit the facts to suit our story.A lot of names might be added because of earlier times no headstone was affordable or the simple fact is its a family plot. Surprisingly enough the vast majority of graves had no headstones at all.If your name is O'Sullivan, McCarthy or Cronin and haven't a clue what part of the county they are from then there is no chance of finding them full stop! If you find a name that fits how do you know there weren't hundreds of them? Also , if you find anything on Family search which gives a name that matches in Cork their records are just a fraction for Ireland. You really do have to accept there isn't a chance of finding them if the only info. you have is Mary O'Sullivan married John McCarthy in Co Cork. Times in Ireland were harsh enough without adding names from all over the place ....... Take a look ! at the burials register for a parish then count the headstones in the graveyard. Pre 1950's its a small percentage. It's why we left . Best regards,Kevin, Co Cork,Ireland ----------------------------------------------------------------- Find the home of your dreams with eircom net property Sign up for email alerts now http://www.eircom.net/propertyalerts

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My mother in law told me that years ago in the United States that after 25 years they would declare a grave an open and a family could reuse it. I have never checked with anyone (and wouldn't know who to check with) about tha validity of the statement. Now with the steel vaults and all that can't be done. And we are running out of cemetery space. I believe in Cambridge Ma. at the city cemetery you cannot buy a grave ahead of time. Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Crawford" <reojan@gmail.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:12 AM Subject: Re: (CORK) Where do I look? > All over here, Padraig. Sometimes the grave is reused by another > family. Think about it....This is a very small island and millions > have died here over the last few centuries, and there are very few > graves for all those people. > >> > >> > Janet >> >

> > > Wow. I knew we did double-deep here in the US. Hadn't heard about > > triple-deep. I know for double-deep, the hole is 12 feet, so triple-deep > > would mean an 18 foot hole! Someone told me once and I've forgotten for sure, but I think the answer here was 8 feet, maybe 10. No deeper as they don't have the equipment to go deeper and the plots are dug by hand. No concrete boxes except maybe in the large cities like Dublin, Limerick, Cork, etc. Janet

Related topic: Does anybody know what happened to the Irish tombstones website? It was set up specifically for listing the Locations in Ireland found inscribed on US tombstones, whether the person was actually buried there, or just memorialized on a stone. It didn't accept transcriptions from tombstones in Ireland itself, just everywhere else. The reason it was set up: Sometimes a tombstone is literally the only place an Irish location might be found, providing a much sought after connection for that particular emigrant family's descendants. I have lost the URL, and maybe it is no longer active.... Barb G. Wisconsin

Dear All I have been interested in the discussion regarding the possibility of inscriptions not always reflecting what lies beneath. I have been sent details of a family burial place in St Finbarr's cemetery. It is adorned by a large Celtic cross and is "The family burial place of the Rev R I U Leslie of Wilton Co Cork" There are various inscriptions - one of which is that of his eldest son Charles Henry Falkiner Leslie who died in India in 1898 at the age of 25. It is fairly obvious - although the stone does not actually say so - that Charles does not lie in this plot. The inscription is there as a memorial to him. In fact this could be the case with many young soldiers who went out to india from Cork in the 1800s and who never returned. There was, I believe, an East India Company recruiting office in Cork at this time. I am researching the Leslie family of Cork and would love to hear from anyone sharing this link. Regards Beverly

In a message dated 9/21/2006 4:26:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, coloknight@verizon.net writes: I know that this is the Cork list but any clues on how to go about checking records in Knockbrack? Does Kerry have a Heritage center? (I would imagine they do.) Also, why not check with the parish priest in Knockbrack, or with the LDS for census reels for 1901 and 1911. I think you mentioned a connection to Massachusetts in an earlier post -- have you tried the Search for Missing Friends, which is a compilation of Irish immigrant search notices from the Boston Pilot? (_http://www.newenglandancestors.org/research/database/MissingFriends_VOL1-8/default.asp_ (http://www.newenglandancestors.org/research/database/MissingFriends_VOL1-8/default.asp) ) Good luck

Hi; I was in the Killeagh cemetery in Cork last May with my cousins. They showed to me a gravestone half hidden by a tree. On the very tall stone were all their Brennan ancestors. There must have been about 14 names. After looking for my names they came across this stone and will try to discover who is really buried there. So it can be that they're buried elsewhere but wanted to keep the names with the original Brennan and near home. Kay

I heard of the big project, but never ran across it through Google searches. For reasons already stated herein, it seems like on a big scale a very good idea. In Iowa we have a similar but smaller project that lists (when done) tombstones in Iowa that have the word Ireland on them. Could this work in all states and in other countries? Don ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Glassel" <tglassel@execpc.com> To: <IRL-CORK-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:08 PM Subject: Tombstones listing locations > Related topic: Does anybody know what happened to the Irish tombstones > website? It was set up specifically for listing the Locations in Ireland > found inscribed on US tombstones, whether the person was actually buried > there, or just memorialized on a stone. It didn't accept transcriptions > from tombstones in Ireland itself, just everywhere else. > > The reason it was set up: Sometimes a tombstone is literally the only > place an Irish location might be found, providing a much sought after > connection for that particular emigrant family's descendants. I have > lost the URL, and maybe it is no longer active.... > Barb G. > Wisconsin

Well, that's another problem, Beth. Not all ARE on the headstone. In fact, sometimes very few of them are on there...but they are down there. Janet On 9/21/06, Beth Glaser <eaglaser@ix.netcom.com> wrote: > With the cost of headstones being a bit pricy for some it makes sense to > have one real nice one for an area or family plot and to have all the names > put on the one stone. I've seen that a lot looking for my family in Irish > Catholic cemeteries in New York. That plus after a certain number of years > because of decomposition you can stack coffins. After finding some of my > family in New York the care takers there told me 1. I had family there. 2. > There was still room in a few of the family plots. and 3. I owed upkeep > costs on the plot. If I could show direct relationship to the past owner I > could "move in". I came back to Los Angeles and told my New York husband we > had property right next to where he grew up. He asked about the > "neighborhood" so I read off a few names and he said it sounded good to him. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "kaye vernon" <kjvernon@bigpond.net.au> > To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:23 AM > Subject: Re: (CORK) Where do I look? > > > > well surely they wouldnt all be buried in the same grave........it would > > be > > mighty crowded. > > Kaye > > www.bananatv.com/familytreechecklist.htm > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >