Oops! I know I gave you the email address, but if you go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/IRL/IRL-TOMBSTONE-INSCRIPTIONS.html you can log on and register for updates. Sheila Bransfield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sheila Bransfield" <Sheila.Bransfield@btinternet.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Tombstones listing locations >I have this tombstone website. I think it's still going. The last message > I received was in August. > IRL-TOMBSTONE-INSCRIPTIONS-L@rootsweb.com > Sheila Bransfield > Kent, UK > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is information available regarding the census takers and rounding ages up or down 5 years for those under 15 and over 15. Perhaps this could be the explanation rather than illiteracy. Linda

Those of us who are dealing with the Irish who went to Spain in the 17th and 18th centuries sometimes find the descendants born in Spain continue to claim "Ireland" as their place of birth even though it was their father or grandfather who was the one born in Ireland, not them. It confuses genealogists, but I can understand why they do it. Jan

Hi, All- I've found the same discrepancy in ages with my family, even as recently as two generations back. An example with my ggrandparents - My ggrandfather, Thomas Reed, was listed as 33 in the 1855 NY State Census. In 1860, he's still 33! In 1875, he's 45. In 1880, he's 60.He died in 1887, and age was given as 68. My ggrandmother, on the other hand, stayed consistent with her birth being in 1830, until hr death certificate -she died in Sept., 1910, and was listed as being 74 yrs, 9 mo., which makes her born in 1836. However, in the 1910 census, taken in July, two months before she died, she was listed as 80. Ain't families fun?? Ann

I was surprised to find wildly differing birthdates for Irish immigrant ancestors, but Radford and Betit's excellent Genealogist's Guide to Discovering Your Irish Ancestors said they often didn't know the year they were born. It just wasn't important in rural Ireland. Radford and Betit said Irish immigrants sometimes were 5, 10, or 15 years off their actual birth year, although the day and date were often more accurate. From censuses, tombstones, local histories, etc. I found birth years for an my Irish ancestors would range from 9 to 17 years, like 1813 to 1830. When one applied for a Civil War pension, the pension examiner said he "could not tell his age. We should judge him 52." Combine that with the fact that they kept using the same first names over and over (there were five Michael McMahons in a New Hampshire town of 1700 people), and it's no wonder we have such a hard time finding them. Robin in Maryland

I have been following land records from Baurnahulla, Co. Cork. In the late 1880's, according to Valuation records, instead of just finding the townland of Baurnahulla, there was an additional section in the records. Baurnahulla was still the townland listed at the top of the page, but just before the names there appeared, "Village of Dromdaleague." The plot numbers were different from the earlier Baurnahulla numbers, the latter still continuing on. Why all of a sudden would something be added on to the townland of Baurnahulla? And how would the village of Dromdaleague, townland of Baurnahulla, differ from simply the Village of Dromdaleague. I had one of those EUREKA moments when I found my ggrandfather recorded in that new section. I was looking for Kingstons, not Mahonys, and there appeared my ggrandfather, Maurice Mahony. Since he was in that new section, I am curious as to what the village of Dromdaleague in the townland of Baurnahulla means. Thank you, Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: <irl-cork-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 4:27 PM Subject: IRL-CORK Digest, Vol 1, Issue 18 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: (CORK) Where do I look? (P?draig M?r ? Gealagain) > 2. RE: (CORK) Where do I look? (Edward & Toni McCarthy) > 3. Re: (CORK) Where do I look? (Susan Troy) > 4. Re: (CORK) Where do I look? (Janet Crawford) > 5. unsubscribe (Arthur and Erin Marty) > 6. Re: (CORK) Where do I look? (Susan Troy) > 7. subscribe (Arthur and Erin Marty) > 8. Re: (CORK) Where do I look? (MARY THOMAS) > 9. Re: (CORK) Where do I look? (P?draig M?r ? Gealagain) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To contact the IRL-CORK list administrator, send an email to > IRL-CORK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-CORK mailing list, send an email to > IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. >

Dear Carol. Thank you for your assistance. I will try out your suggestions. Linda

Ah, yes, the elusive birthdates! I can't find the dates in Ireland, either, and thought I'd really hit the jackpot when I found the baptismal certificates of some of my Dohertys in New Brunswick - one from Fredericton, one from St. John. The family ran back and forth from NB to Boston, finally settling in Boston about 1845.The one from Fredericton was naturalized in Boston, Mass. in 1868. Thereafter in the census, he listed himself as having been born in Massachusetts! There were five children that we know of -three born in NB, two in Boston. Ironically, we can't find the birth info on the two born in Mass. We even have a birth date for the one, but the Mass.powers that be can't find a record of it!! Ah, well -one of these days... Ann

Hi OOps! I'm not going to get very far with the name wrong am I? Yes it is Cooke Collis - Are you also researching this line. I have quite a bit about the lineage. My interest is in Jane Leslie b 1782 who married The Rev Zachary Cooke Collis. Jane was the sister of my direct ancestor, Mathew Leslie. Thanks for your reply Beverly >From: "Ger Barry" <bousevant@eircom.net> >Reply-To: irl-cork@rootsweb.com >To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: Names being researched - LESLIE , HENDLEY etc >Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2006 13:00:12 +0100 > >Beverly Do you mean Cook Collis and if so they were in Castlecook Kilworth >Co Cork. Regards Ger >----- Original Message ----- >From: "beverly ." <begenn@hotmail.com> >To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 8:54 AM >Subject: Names being researched - LESLIE , HENDLEY etc > > > > Hi all > > > > I thought I would post a list of the surnames I am researching in case > > others may be able to liaise and exchange information. My main area is >the > > LESLIE family who were in Cork from at least the 1730s- the others are > > linked by early marriages (1800s). > > > > LESLIE, HENDLEY, PEACOCK, DORMAN, IZOD, FALKINER, COLLIS COOKE, > > LONGFIELD > > and HYDE > > > > Hope to hear from someone > > > > Regards > > > > Beverly > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: >18/09/2006 > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you are considering depth of coffin burial, I suspect each cemetery would have its own criteria as to depth and the local Water Board. One wouldn't want to be placed below or close the level of groundwater that eventually becomes all of our drinking water. Candi

Here is Western Australia the Karrakatta Cemetery has a renewal programme. They started at the earliest areas and this cemetery only opened about 1900 so 1930 is not what I would call early. As I understand it, they do not disturb the actual coffins but remove the headstones and grave surrounds. They say they are locating the new graves in the area between the old ones. The whole area is set out more like a park rather than the regimented rows of headstones. The only headstones they keep are the expensive ones or ones of historical interest, the second rate headstones are recycled for pathways etc. I expect the area will look very nice but... I was devastated when I found my grandparents grave was recycled in 2003 , many people are also very upset, but there is nothing we can do. The renewal of cemeteries if not new here as the first gazetted cemetery in Alma Street, Femantle was made into a primary school years ago and the other slightly later one in Skinner Street, Fremantle is now under the playing fields of John Curtin High School, this was done in the1930's. Where people could afford to pay the cost some were removed to the Fremantle Cemetery in Carrington Street. So far Fremantle Cemetery still has room for the 20% who still prefer burial. The old Cemetery at East Perth is partially still intact although some of it is under a car park - great! Many of the old pioneers and notable people of the Colony are buried here. That is the how the renewal programme is carried out here. Regards Jeanette ----- Original Message ----- From: <Moonshadow242@aol.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:29 PM Subject: Re: (CORK) Where do I look? > > In a message dated 9/21/2006 9:54:18 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > padraigogealagain@rogers.com writes: > > Where are graves recycled- and specifically , in respect of graves, what > does the term mean > > > > I had always understood that after a certain period of years (not sure how > long), more bodies can be buried in a grave (even one that is considered > "full"), because of the natural decomposition and settling. I think they > do that > even in some cemeteries here in the US -- but Ireland has been settled > for a > lot longer than the US, so wouldn't that mean that a single grave could > hold > a large number of people? > > Hilary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Call the cemetery. I have called for locations of graves prior to going to cemeteries and often times they will tell me who else is buried there. If you have names and dates they can verify the location of the stone. If its St. Mary Cemetery in Peabody go to www.ccemtery.org for the number to call. Otherwise check www.411.com Cheryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Ellen Rossi" <merossi1@yahoo.com> > Greetings, > Once one has found a grave how does one find out who > is buried there? I have a "Whelton" grave in Peabody > Mass with lots of folks listed and problably some who > are not. I wrote to the archdiocese and they were too > busy to reply. I called the church and they said to > write to the archdiocese....any thoughts?? > All the best, > Mary Ellen > from beautiful warm and sunny San Francisco > searching for the Wheltons of Clonakilty, the > Horrigans of Killorglin, the McCarthys of Killarney > and the O'Connors of Drumshambo. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > >

Yes, They were my grandparents. Linda

I always understood the 'six feet under' was the depth of the entire dig. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:57 AM Subject: deep subject > > Susan Troy <sbtroy@comcast.net> said: > >>Wow. I knew we did double-deep here in the US. Hadn't heard about >>triple-deep. I know for double-deep, the hole is 12 feet, so triple-deep >>would mean an 18 foot hole! > > Where do you get the idea that "double-deep" would be 12 feet? If the > proverbial "six feet under" refers to the distance from the surface to the > top of the coffin, or concrete chamber, and the coffin took up about two > feet of vertical space, then you would need to dig a hole 8 feet deep for > a single, 10 feet for a double, or 12 feet for a triple. In fact, I think > the original six foot measurement referred to the depth of the hole before > the coffin was placed in it, in which case you would only need a 10-foot > deep hole for a triple to be four feet below the surface. > > -dja > >>

Good question, Jan., but you ought to have sent it as well to the List Admin. ***** Reply to the LIST ONLY - Please ***** ***** Thanks for your consideration ***** Pádraig Mór, An Sean Gabhar ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> To: <IRL-CORK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:07 AM Subject: Why do I have to open each message on the Cork list? message foradministrator >I subscribe to several lists digest form and on the other lists can just >double click to get the attachment. All emails come up, one after the >other. I just have to scroll down. With the Cork list, I have to go back to >open EACH EMAIL separately. This is a real nuisance. I am wondering why the >Cork list is set up differently from the others. > > thank you, > Jan > janfortado@comcast.net

Did John Connolly marry Alice Murphy of Boston?

Beverly Do you mean Cook Collis and if so they were in Castlecook Kilworth Co Cork. Regards Ger ----- Original Message ----- From: "beverly ." <begenn@hotmail.com> To: <irl-cork@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 8:54 AM Subject: Names being researched - LESLIE , HENDLEY etc > Hi all > > I thought I would post a list of the surnames I am researching in case > others may be able to liaise and exchange information. My main area is the > LESLIE family who were in Cork from at least the 1730s- the others are > linked by early marriages (1800s). > > LESLIE, HENDLEY, PEACOCK, DORMAN, IZOD, FALKINER, COLLIS COOKE, > LONGFIELD > and HYDE > > Hope to hear from someone > > Regards > > Beverly > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.12.5/450 - Release Date: 18/09/2006 > >

Hello List, Just want to jump in here and add my bit. In looking for my grandfather's grave, I had no success until I contacted the sexton of the cemetery in Kent, Ohio. Received a prompt reply with the information that Grandfather did not have a headstone but was buried in the family plot. Peggy in Florida, US.

When my father died, we learned about double-deep, and I could swear the funeral home people said someone going in double-deep would be 12 feet down. So from there I extrapolated that triple deep would be 18 feet down. I was under the impression that each person got their own 6 feet. Obviously, my info is not the most scientifically accurate ;-) I do know that the grave liner was more than 2 feet high. Maybe we need a cemetery person to jump in on the conversation and clarify things.... On 9/22/06 7:57 AM, "Dennis Ahern" <ahern@world.std.com> wrote: > > Susan Troy <sbtroy@comcast.net> said: > >> Wow. I knew we did double-deep here in the US. Hadn't heard about >> triple-deep. I know for double-deep, the hole is 12 feet, so triple-deep >> would mean an 18 foot hole! > > Where do you get the idea that "double-deep" would be 12 feet? If the > proverbial "six feet under" refers to the distance from the surface to the > top of the coffin, or concrete chamber, and the coffin took up about two > feet of vertical space, then you would need to dig a hole 8 feet deep for > a single, 10 feet for a double, or 12 feet for a triple. In fact, I think > the original six foot measurement referred to the depth of the hole before > the coffin was placed in it, in which case you would only need a 10-foot > deep hole for a triple to be four feet below the surface. > > -dja

Lucky woman to have that much knowledge. My family's plot only says "The Quinlan Family"! Janet On 9/22/06, beverly . <begenn@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Dear All > > I have been interested in the discussion regarding the possibility of > inscriptions not always reflecting what lies beneath. > > I have been sent details of a family burial place in St Finbarr's cemetery. > It is adorned by a large Celtic cross and is "The family burial place of the > Rev R I U Leslie of Wilton Co Cork" > > There are various inscriptions - one of which is that of his eldest son > Charles Henry Falkiner Leslie who died in India in 1898 at the age of 25. It > is fairly obvious - although the stone does not > actually say so - that Charles does not lie in this plot. The inscription is > there as a memorial to him. > > In fact this could be the case with many young soldiers who went out to > india from Cork in the 1800s and who never returned. There was, I believe, > an East India Company recruiting office in Cork at this time. > > I am researching the Leslie family of Cork and would love to hear from > anyone sharing this link. > > Regards > > Beverly > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-CORK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >